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THE MAN WHO EMERGES FROM THE THE MAN WHO EMERGES FROM THE PAGE APPEARS TO HAVE SUNK DEEPLY PAGE APPEARS TO HAVE SUNK DEEPLY INTO CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT INTO CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT ARE BIZARRE, EVEN BY ARE BIZARRE, EVEN BY CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICAN CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICAN STANDARDS, BUT THAT HAVE STANDARDS, BUT THAT HAVE ATTRACTED STRANGELY LITTLE ATTRACTED STRANGELY LITTLE ATTENTION. ATTENTION. HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE AT HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE AT WAR WITH BASICALLY EVERYBODY TO WAR WITH BASICALLY EVERYBODY TO TRUMP’S LEFT, AND IT IS BY NO TRUMP’S LEFT, AND IT IS BY NO MEANS CLEAR THAT HE MEANS MEANS CLEAR THAT HE MEANS METAPHORICALLY. METAPHORICALLY. JONATHAN CHAIT IS WITH US, JONATHAN CHAIT IS WITH US, CORNELL BELCHER AND JEREMY CORNELL BELCHER AND JEREMY PETERS. PETERS. THE DANGER HE POSES, NOT JUST TO THE DANGER HE POSES, NOT JUST TO THE WAY THE DEFENSE DEMOCRAT THE WAY THE DEFENSE DEMOCRAT OPERATES OVERSEAS, BUT HOW IT OPERATES OVERSEAS, BUT HOW IT OPERATES HERE AT HOME MORE OPERATES HERE AT HOME MORE SPECIFICALLY. SPECIFICALLY. YEAH. YEAH. I FOUND HIS BOOKS FASCINATING I FOUND HIS BOOKS FASCINATING AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW LITTLE AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW LITTLE ATTENTION THE IDEAS HAVE GOTTEN. ATTENTION THE IDEAS HAVE GOTTEN. THERE ARE A LOT OF STRANGE IDEAS THERE ARE A LOT OF STRANGE IDEAS IN THESE BOOKS, BUT THE ONE THAT IN THESE BOOKS, BUT THE ONE THAT I THINK IS MOST PERTINENT TO HOW I THINK IS MOST PERTINENT TO HOW HE WOULD FUNCTION AS DEFENSE HE WOULD FUNCTION AS DEFENSE SECRETARY IS THAT HE IS TRYING SECRETARY IS THAT HE IS TRYING TO ERASE THE LINE BETWEEN THE TO ERASE THE LINE BETWEEN THE WAR THAT THE UNITED STATES WAR THAT THE UNITED STATES FIGHTS BETWEEN COMBATANTS FIGHTS BETWEEN COMBATANTS OVERSEAS, A WAR HE’S OVERSEAS, A WAR HE’S PARTICIPATED IN, AND THE WAR PARTICIPATED IN, AND THE WAR AGAINST DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO HIS AGAINST DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO HIS POLITICAL LEFT. POLITICAL LEFT. HE FRAMES THE LATTER IN VERY HE FRAMES THE LATTER IN VERY STARK MARSHALL TERMS. STARK MARSHALL TERMS. HE’S ERASING THE DISTINCTION HE’S ERASING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOW YOU WOULD TREAT AN BETWEEN HOW YOU WOULD TREAT AN ENEMY COMBATANT AND HOW YOU ENEMY COMBATANT AND HOW YOU WOULD TREAT A POLITICAL OPPONENT WOULD TREAT A POLITICAL OPPONENT IN THE UNITEDSTATES. IN THE UNITEDSTATES. AND THAT’S A REALLY PROBLEMATIC AND THAT’S A REALLY PROBLEMATIC IDEA IN GENERAL, AND ESPECIALLY IDEA IN GENERAL, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE DURING HIS FIRST TERM BECAUSE DURING HIS FIRST TERM DONALD TRUMP WANTED DEFENSE DONALD TRUMP WANTED DEFENSE SECRETARIES TO SHOOT PEACEFUL SECRETARIES TO SHOOT PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, PROTESTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND IN HIS DEFENSE SECRETARIES AND IN HIS DEFENSE SECRETARIES RESISTED THOSE DEMANDS. RESISTED THOSE DEMANDS. HEGSETH DOESN’T SEEM LIKE HEGSETH DOESN’T SEEM LIKE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD RESIST THOSE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD RESIST THOSE DEMANDS, HE SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE DEMANDS, HE SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THOSE WHO IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THOSE DEMANDS. DEMANDS. WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE VITRIOL TOWARD THE OPPOSITE VITRIOL TOWARD THE OPPOSITE POLITICAL PARTY? POLITICAL PARTY? THERE HAS BEEN DEEP THERE HAS BEEN DEEP PARTISANSHIP, ANGRY WORDS TOSSED PARTISANSHIP, ANGRY WORDS TOSSED BACK AND FORTH, IT HAS GOTTEN BACK AND FORTH, IT HAS GOTTEN UGLIER SINCE THE ’90s, BUT THIS UGLIER SINCE THE ’90s, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT. IS DIFFERENT. THE WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP THE WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP ACOLYTES TALK ABOUT DEMOCRATS IS ACOLYTES TALK ABOUT DEMOCRATS IS IN DANGEROUS TERMS, CALLING THEM IN DANGEROUS TERMS, CALLING THEM THE ENEMY FROM WITHIN AS DONALD THE ENEMY FROM WITHIN AS DONALD TRUMP DID ON THE STUMP AND AS A TRUMP DID ON THE STUMP AND AS A LOT OF THESE CABINET NOMINEE LOT OF THESE CABINET NOMINEE PICKS WILL SPEAK ABOUT THEM BOTH PICKS WILL SPEAK ABOUT THEM BOTH PUBLICLY, BUT ALSO IN THEIR OWN PUBLICLY, BUT ALSO IN THEIR OWN BOOKS. BOOKS. YEAH, I THINK THIS IS AN YEAH, I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT POINT, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT POINT, KATY, ESSENTIALLY IT IS NOT JUST KATY, ESSENTIALLY IT IS NOT JUST THE ENEMY WITHIN, IT IS CALLING THE ENEMY WITHIN, IT IS CALLING DEMOCRATS AND OPPONENTS VERMIN, DEMOCRATS AND OPPONENTS VERMIN, YOU KNOW, HUMAN SCUM IS ANOTHER YOU KNOW, HUMAN SCUM IS ANOTHER TERM THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS TERM THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY USED. REPEATEDLY USED. SO, YOU KNOW, MANY OF HIS MAGA SO, YOU KNOW, MANY OF HIS MAGA ACOLYTES, PARROTING THE LEADER ACOLYTES, PARROTING THE LEADER IN THIS, BUT MORE DISTURBINGLY, IN THIS, BUT MORE DISTURBINGLY, YOU KNOW, FROM DONALD TRUMP, HE YOU KNOW, FROM DONALD TRUMP, HE IN EFFECT IS PARROTING THE IN EFFECT IS PARROTING THE LANGUAGE OF DICTATORS THE WORLD LANGUAGE OF DICTATORS THE WORLD OVER. OVER. THAT, TO ME, THIS WAS IN THE THAT, TO ME, THIS WAS IN THE FIRST TERM AS WELL, IT GOES BACK FIRST TERM AS WELL, IT GOES BACK TO THAT, HIM USING THIS LANGUAGE TO THAT, HIM USING THIS LANGUAGE AGAINST OPPONENTS. AGAINST OPPONENTS. IT IS REALLY THE LANGUAGE YOU IT IS REALLY THE LANGUAGE YOU DON’T HEAR FROM DEMOCRATIC SMALL DON’T HEAR FROM DEMOCRATIC SMALL D LEADERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR D LEADERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR IN OUR OWN COUNTRY UNTIL DONALD IN OUR OWN COUNTRY UNTIL DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH HE ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH HE STANDS OUT THE MOST. STANDS OUT THE MOST. I THINK JONATHAN’S POINT IN I THINK JONATHAN’S POINT IN DOING THIS PIECE ON THE NOMINEE DOING THIS PIECE ON THE NOMINEE FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE SHIFT THAT WE THINK THAT IS THE SHIFT THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE REPUBLICAN HAVE SEEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S IDEOLOGY, ESSENTIALLY PARTY’S IDEOLOGY, ESSENTIALLY FROM BEING A VERY NATIONAL FROM BEING A VERY NATIONAL SECURITY FOCUSED PARTY THAT IS SECURITY FOCUSED PARTY THAT IS LOOKING AT THE NATURE OF LOOKING AT THE NATURE OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND THREATS AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND THREATS OVERSEAS TO TURNING INWARD TO OVERSEAS TO TURNING INWARD TO THE THREAT WITHIN AND I THINK THE THREAT WITHIN AND I THINK HE’S VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT HE’S VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE TO THE DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HOW HE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HOW HE SHIFTED EVEN THE IDEOLOGY AND SHIFTED EVEN THE IDEOLOGY AND THE BELIEFS OF THE REPUBLICAN THE BELIEFS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. PARTY. WHY IS DONALD TRUMP GETTING WHY IS DONALD TRUMP GETTING THIS CHANCE TO PUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS CHANCE TO PUT PEOPLE LIKE PETE HEGSETH IN PLACE, TO TRY TO PETE HEGSETH IN PLACE, TO TRY TO GET TULSI GABBARD AS DNI, RFK AS GET TULSI GABBARD AS DNI, RFK AS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DIRECTOR, DR. OZ TO BE THE DIRECTOR, DR. OZ TO BE THE OVERSEE MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. OVERSEE MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MATT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MATT GAETZ, NOW PAM BONDI. GAETZ, NOW PAM BONDI. WHY IS HE GETTING THE WHY IS HE GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PEOPLE IN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT ARE SO ANTITHETICAL PLACE THAT ARE SO ANTITHETICAL TO THE POSITIONS THAT THEY’RE TO THE POSITIONS THAT THEY’RE BEING CHARGED WITH HOLDING? BEING CHARGED WITH HOLDING? BECAUSE HE THINKS HE DESERVES BECAUSE HE THINKS HE DESERVES IT. IT. HE THINKS HE’S EARNED IT WITH HE THINKS HE’S EARNED IT WITH THIS ELECTION. THIS ELECTION. WHY DO THE VOTERS GIVE HIM WHY DO THE VOTERS GIVE HIM THAT? THAT? WHY ARE THEY SAYING TO HIM, GO WHY ARE THEY SAYING TO HIM, GO AHEAD AND BREAK THINGS? AHEAD AND BREAK THINGS? I DON’T THINK THEY’RE GIVING I DON’T THINK THEY’RE GIVING HIM CART BLANCHE TO PICK WHOEVER HIM CART BLANCHE TO PICK WHOEVER HE WANTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT HE WANTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEARLY UNQUALIFIED INTO THESE UNQUALIFIED INTO THESE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL POSITIONS. INCREDIBLY POWERFUL POSITIONS. I WOULD IMAGINE THESE PICKS DO I WOULD IMAGINE THESE PICKS DO NOT POLL VERY WELL AND PROBABLY NOT POLL VERY WELL AND PROBABLY POLL A LOT UNDER 50%, WHICH IS POLL A LOT UNDER 50%, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT WHAT TRUMP GOT IN THE JUST ABOUT WHAT TRUMP GOT IN THE ELECTION, IF PEOPLE EVEN KNOW ELECTION, IF PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE. WHO THEY ARE. BUT THESE ARE THE BEHAVIORS OF A BUT THESE ARE THE BEHAVIORS OF A GUY WHO WE KNOW IS RECKLESS WHEN GUY WHO WE KNOW IS RECKLESS WHEN HE BELIEVES HE’S WINNING AND HE HE BELIEVES HE’S WINNING AND HE DID WIN AND HE WON IN THE DID WIN AND HE WON IN THE POPULAR VOTE, WON THE ELECTORAL POPULAR VOTE, WON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, HE AND HIS AIDES HAVE COLLEGE, HE AND HIS AIDES HAVE REMINDED US CONSTANTLY. REMINDED US CONSTANTLY. THIS IS HOW HE TENDS TO ACT WHEN THIS IS HOW HE TENDS TO ACT WHEN HE THINKS HE’S GOT THE POLITICAL HE THINKS HE’S GOT THE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. ADVANTAGE. IT IS VERY RECKLESS AND THESE IT IS VERY RECKLESS AND THESE NOMINATIONS FALL APART, IT WON’T NOMINATIONS FALL APART, IT WON’T BE BECAUSE OF SOME WAR WITH THE BE BECAUSE OF SOME WAR WITH THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A IS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A GO-TO THING FOR HIM, RIGHT? GO-TO THING FOR HIM, RIGHT? WHEN TRUMP IS LOSING, SOMEONE WHEN TRUMP IS LOSING, SOMEONE ELSE IS CHEATING HIM AND IT IS ELSE IS CHEATING HIM AND IT IS EITHER THE DEMOCRATS OR THE EITHER THE DEMOCRATS OR THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPUBLICAN THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT SENATORS LEFT, ESTABLISHMENT SENATORS LEFT, TRUMP HAS DRIVEN MOST OF THEM TRUMP HAS DRIVEN MOST OF THEM OUT, SO, WHY ARE THESE NOMINEES OUT, SO, WHY ARE THESE NOMINEES RUNNING INTO TROUBLE? RUNNING INTO TROUBLE? BECAUSE OF TRUMP. BECAUSE OF TRUMP. HE WILL HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT HE WILL HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF AND I DOUBT HE’S GOING HIMSELF AND I DOUBT HE’S GOING TO BE ABLE TO WHIP UP THE MAGA TO BE ABLE TO WHIP UP THE MAGA BASE INTO SOME TYPE OF FRENZY BASE INTO SOME TYPE OF FRENZY OVER SOMEONE LIKE PETE HEGSETH. OVER SOMEONE LIKE PETE HEGSETH. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. I THINK HE’S VERY ADEPT AT I THINK HE’S VERY ADEPT AT SKIRTING RESPONSIBILITY. SKIRTING RESPONSIBILITY. HE JUST THROWS WHOEVER IS IN HE JUST THROWS WHOEVER IS IN FRONT OF HIM UNDER THE BUS WHEN FRONT OF HIM UNDER THE BUS WHEN HE NEEDS TO. HE NEEDS TO. I WONDER, CORNELL, DONALD TRUMP I WONDER, CORNELL, DONALD TRUMP LEARNED FROM THE PAST ELECTION LEARNED FROM THE PAST ELECTION THE LESSON HE GOT WAS THAT HE THE LESSON HE GOT WAS THAT HE COULD DO WHATEVER. COULD DO WHATEVER. HE GOT PRETTY WILD THERE TOWARD HE GOT PRETTY WILD THERE TOWARD NOVEMBER, SAYING JUST, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER, SAYING JUST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HE WANTED. WHATEVER HE WANTED. THE LESSON IS CLEAR THAT HE TOOK THE LESSON IS CLEAR THAT HE TOOK WAS THAT HE BELIEVES HE HAS A WAS THAT HE BELIEVES HE HAS A MANDATE AND HE CAN CHOOSE MANDATE AND HE CAN CHOOSE WHOEVER HE WANTS AND THE VOTERS WHOEVER HE WANTS AND THE VOTERS ARE GIVING HIM THE OPPORTUNITY ARE GIVING HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE RETRIBUTION HE WAS TO GET THE RETRIBUTION HE WAS RAILING AGAINST. RAILING AGAINST. WHAT IS THE LESSON THAT WHAT IS THE LESSON THAT DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING WITH HOW TO DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING WITH HOW TO GO AFTER THIS STUFF, HOW TO PUSH GO AFTER THIS STUFF, HOW TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THIS STUFF AFTER BACK AGAINST THIS STUFF AFTER WHAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IN WHAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IN NOVEMBER? NOVEMBER? WELL, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WELL, LOOK, YOU KNOW, VICTORIES HAVE MULTIPLE VICTORIES HAVE MULTIPLE VARIABLES AND DEFEATS HAVE VARIABLES AND DEFEATS HAVE MULTIPLE VARIABLES AND THERE IS MULTIPLE VARIABLES AND THERE IS FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE THROWING FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE THROWING AROUND, LIKE -- LOOK, ALSO AROUND, LIKE -- LOOK, ALSO MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION FROM HEGSETH IS WHITE FROM HEGSETH IS WHITE NATIONALISM. NATIONALISM. I DON’T KNOW WHY WE KEEP DANCING I DON’T KNOW WHY WE KEEP DANCING AROUND THAT. AROUND THAT. HE WAS TARGETED AS INSIDER HE WAS TARGETED AS INSIDER THREAT, RIGHT, AND THERE IS THREAT, RIGHT, AND THERE IS LINKS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, LINKS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM, YOU KNOW, CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM, WHITE NATIONALISM. WHITE NATIONALISM. LET’S NOT PRETEND IT IS NOT PART LET’S NOT PRETEND IT IS NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM AND THE ISSUE IS OF THE PROBLEM AND THE ISSUE IS HERE ALSO IS YOU HAVE SOMEONE HERE ALSO IS YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO MAY BE LINKED TO WHITE WHO MAY BE LINKED TO WHITE NATIONALISTS BEING IN CHARGE OF NATIONALISTS BEING IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY. OUR MILITARY. THAT’S A REAL PROBLEM AND I THAT’S A REAL PROBLEM AND I THINK THAT’S A REAL PROBLEM WE THINK THAT’S A REAL PROBLEM WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH. AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH. LET’S TALK MORE ABOUT THE LET’S TALK MORE ABOUT THE ELECTION. ELECTION. LOOK, YOU KNOW, ABOUT -- LOOK, YOU KNOW, ABOUT -- I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY, I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY, CORNELL, HOW DO THEY PUSH BACK CORNELL, HOW DO THEY PUSH BACK AND GO AND TELL THE AMERICAN AND GO AND TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FIT, PUBLIC THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FIT, HOW THEY SEND THAT MESSAGE, HOW THEY SEND THAT MESSAGE, WHERE THEY PUT THAT MESSAGE, YOU WHERE THEY PUT THAT MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE OF HOW TO KNOW, THE MESSAGE OF HOW TO COMMUNICATE TO A BROADER SWATH COMMUNICATE TO A BROADER SWATH OF AMERICANS? OF AMERICANS? WELL, YOU CAN MAKE IT A -- WELL, YOU CAN MAKE IT A -- THERE WAS 6 MILLION VOTERS THERE WAS 6 MILLION VOTERS MISSING FROM WHO VOTED FOR BIDEN MISSING FROM WHO VOTED FOR BIDEN WHO DIDN’T BOTHER TO TURN OUT WHO DIDN’T BOTHER TO TURN OUT THIS TIME AROUND. THIS TIME AROUND. MOST OF THOSE VOTERS HAPPEN TO MOST OF THOSE VOTERS HAPPEN TO BE BLACK AND BROWN. BE BLACK AND BROWN. DONALD TRUMP WAS ABLE TO DONALD TRUMP WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY GROW THE WHITE SHARE OF ACTUALLY GROW THE WHITE SHARE OF Giving without expecting ELECTORATE, THE WHITE SHARE OF ELECTORATE, THE WHITE SHARE OF THE ELECTORATE WAS SHRINKING, THE ELECTORATE WAS SHRINKING, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE. WHICH IS INCREDIBLE. HE HAD 2 MILLION MORE WHITE HE HAD 2 MILLION MORE WHITE VOTERS WHILE WE WERE DOWN ABOUT VOTERS WHILE WE WERE DOWN ABOUT 6 MILLION BROWN VOTERS. 6 MILLION BROWN VOTERS. ALL THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW ALL THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO GET MORE SORT OF TV WE GOT TO GET MORE SORT OF TV Giving without expecting -- I HEAR YOU SAYING WORKING -- I HEAR YOU SAYING WORKING CLASS, BUT 32% VOTED FOR HARRIS CLASS, BUT 32% VOTED FOR HARRIS AND SHE LOST. AND SHE LOST. THEY MADE UP A LARGER SHARE OF THEY MADE UP A LARGER SHARE OF THE ELECTORATE BECAUSE HE SURGED THE ELECTORATE BECAUSE HE SURGED THAT VOTE. THAT VOTE. 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Why Pete Hegseth is so concerning as Defense Secretary&body=https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/-most-dangerous-cabinet-pick-why-pete-hegseth-is-so-concerning-as-defense-secretary-225237573967" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="styles_link__RsJVU"><span class="icon icon-share-email"></span></a></li><li data-testid="social-share-embed " class="dn db-m styles_item__b5A78 styles_embed__lyKBQ"><button type="button" class="styles_button__b3sx_"><span class="icon icon-embed"></span></button><div class="styles_embedTooltip__RwgOG"><span class="icon icon-alt-check"></span><span class="styles_text___8iNX">Copied</span></div></li><li data-testid="social-share-save" class="styles_save__ILVuj"></li></ul></div></div><div class="video-details__dek"><p class="video-details__dek-text"><span class="video-details__dek-description">President-elect Trump's cabinet picks have been met with some backlash, including Fox News host Pete Hegseth. 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MOST DANGEROUS. THE MAN WHO EMERGES FROM THE THE MAN WHO EMERGES FROM THE PAGE APPEARS TO HAVE SUNK DEEPLY PAGE APPEARS TO HAVE SUNK DEEPLY INTO CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT INTO CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT ARE BIZARRE, EVEN BY ARE BIZARRE, EVEN BY CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICAN CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICAN STANDARDS, BUT THAT HAVE STANDARDS, BUT THAT HAVE ATTRACTED STRANGELY LITTLE ATTRACTED STRANGELY LITTLE ATTENTION. ATTENTION. HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE AT HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE AT WAR WITH BASICALLY EVERYBODY TO WAR WITH BASICALLY EVERYBODY TO TRUMP’S LEFT, AND IT IS BY NO TRUMP’S LEFT, AND IT IS BY NO MEANS CLEAR THAT HE MEANS MEANS CLEAR THAT HE MEANS METAPHORICALLY. METAPHORICALLY. JONATHAN CHAIT IS WITH US, JONATHAN CHAIT IS WITH US, CORNELL BELCHER AND JEREMY CORNELL BELCHER AND JEREMY PETERS. PETERS. THE DANGER HE POSES, NOT JUST TO THE DANGER HE POSES, NOT JUST TO THE WAY THE DEFENSE DEMOCRAT THE WAY THE DEFENSE DEMOCRAT OPERATES OVERSEAS, BUT HOW IT OPERATES OVERSEAS, BUT HOW IT OPERATES HERE AT HOME MORE OPERATES HERE AT HOME MORE SPECIFICALLY. SPECIFICALLY.","YEAH.","YEAH. I FOUND HIS BOOKS FASCINATING I FOUND HIS BOOKS FASCINATING AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW LITTLE AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW LITTLE ATTENTION THE IDEAS HAVE GOTTEN. ATTENTION THE IDEAS HAVE GOTTEN. THERE ARE A LOT OF STRANGE IDEAS THERE ARE A LOT OF STRANGE IDEAS IN THESE BOOKS, BUT THE ONE THAT IN THESE BOOKS, BUT THE ONE THAT I THINK IS MOST PERTINENT TO HOW I THINK IS MOST PERTINENT TO HOW HE WOULD FUNCTION AS DEFENSE HE WOULD FUNCTION AS DEFENSE SECRETARY IS THAT HE IS TRYING SECRETARY IS THAT HE IS TRYING TO ERASE THE LINE BETWEEN THE TO ERASE THE LINE BETWEEN THE WAR THAT THE UNITED STATES WAR THAT THE UNITED STATES FIGHTS BETWEEN COMBATANTS FIGHTS BETWEEN COMBATANTS OVERSEAS, A WAR HE’S OVERSEAS, A WAR HE’S PARTICIPATED IN, AND THE WAR PARTICIPATED IN, AND THE WAR AGAINST DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO HIS AGAINST DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO HIS POLITICAL LEFT. POLITICAL LEFT. HE FRAMES THE LATTER IN VERY HE FRAMES THE LATTER IN VERY STARK MARSHALL TERMS. STARK MARSHALL TERMS. HE’S ERASING THE DISTINCTION HE’S ERASING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOW YOU WOULD TREAT AN BETWEEN HOW YOU WOULD TREAT AN ENEMY COMBATANT AND HOW YOU ENEMY COMBATANT AND HOW YOU WOULD TREAT A POLITICAL OPPONENT WOULD TREAT A POLITICAL OPPONENT IN THE UNITEDSTATES. IN THE UNITEDSTATES. AND THAT’S A REALLY PROBLEMATIC AND THAT’S A REALLY PROBLEMATIC IDEA IN GENERAL, AND ESPECIALLY IDEA IN GENERAL, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE DURING HIS FIRST TERM BECAUSE DURING HIS FIRST TERM DONALD TRUMP WANTED DEFENSE DONALD TRUMP WANTED DEFENSE SECRETARIES TO SHOOT PEACEFUL SECRETARIES TO SHOOT PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, PROTESTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND IN HIS DEFENSE SECRETARIES AND IN HIS DEFENSE SECRETARIES RESISTED THOSE DEMANDS. RESISTED THOSE DEMANDS. 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SO, YOU KNOW, MANY OF HIS MAGA SO, YOU KNOW, MANY OF HIS MAGA ACOLYTES, PARROTING THE LEADER ACOLYTES, PARROTING THE LEADER IN THIS, BUT MORE DISTURBINGLY, IN THIS, BUT MORE DISTURBINGLY, YOU KNOW, FROM DONALD TRUMP, HE YOU KNOW, FROM DONALD TRUMP, HE IN EFFECT IS PARROTING THE IN EFFECT IS PARROTING THE LANGUAGE OF DICTATORS THE WORLD LANGUAGE OF DICTATORS THE WORLD OVER. OVER. THAT, TO ME, THIS WAS IN THE THAT, TO ME, THIS WAS IN THE FIRST TERM AS WELL, IT GOES BACK FIRST TERM AS WELL, IT GOES BACK TO THAT, HIM USING THIS LANGUAGE TO THAT, HIM USING THIS LANGUAGE AGAINST OPPONENTS. AGAINST OPPONENTS. IT IS REALLY THE LANGUAGE YOU IT IS REALLY THE LANGUAGE YOU DON’T HEAR FROM DEMOCRATIC SMALL DON’T HEAR FROM DEMOCRATIC SMALL D LEADERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR D LEADERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR IN OUR OWN COUNTRY UNTIL DONALD IN OUR OWN COUNTRY UNTIL DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH HE ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH HE STANDS OUT THE MOST. STANDS OUT THE MOST. I THINK JONATHAN’S POINT IN I THINK JONATHAN’S POINT IN DOING THIS PIECE ON THE NOMINEE DOING THIS PIECE ON THE NOMINEE FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE SHIFT THAT WE THINK THAT IS THE SHIFT THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE REPUBLICAN HAVE SEEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S IDEOLOGY, ESSENTIALLY PARTY’S IDEOLOGY, ESSENTIALLY FROM BEING A VERY NATIONAL FROM BEING A VERY NATIONAL SECURITY FOCUSED PARTY THAT IS SECURITY FOCUSED PARTY THAT IS LOOKING AT THE NATURE OF LOOKING AT THE NATURE OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND THREATS AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND THREATS OVERSEAS TO TURNING INWARD TO OVERSEAS TO TURNING INWARD TO THE THREAT WITHIN AND I THINK THE THREAT WITHIN AND I THINK HE’S VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT HE’S VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE TO THE DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HOW HE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HOW HE SHIFTED EVEN THE IDEOLOGY AND SHIFTED EVEN THE IDEOLOGY AND THE BELIEFS OF THE REPUBLICAN THE BELIEFS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 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THIS ELECTION.","WHY DO THE VOTERS GIVE HIM","WHY DO THE VOTERS GIVE HIM THAT? THAT? WHY ARE THEY SAYING TO HIM, GO WHY ARE THEY SAYING TO HIM, GO AHEAD AND BREAK THINGS? AHEAD AND BREAK THINGS?","I DON’T THINK THEY’RE GIVING","I DON’T THINK THEY’RE GIVING HIM CART BLANCHE TO PICK WHOEVER HIM CART BLANCHE TO PICK WHOEVER HE WANTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT HE WANTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEARLY UNQUALIFIED INTO THESE UNQUALIFIED INTO THESE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL POSITIONS. INCREDIBLY POWERFUL POSITIONS. I WOULD IMAGINE THESE PICKS DO I WOULD IMAGINE THESE PICKS DO NOT POLL VERY WELL AND PROBABLY NOT POLL VERY WELL AND PROBABLY POLL A LOT UNDER 50%, WHICH IS POLL A LOT UNDER 50%, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT WHAT TRUMP GOT IN THE JUST ABOUT WHAT TRUMP GOT IN THE ELECTION, IF PEOPLE EVEN KNOW ELECTION, IF PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE. WHO THEY ARE. BUT THESE ARE THE BEHAVIORS OF A BUT THESE ARE THE BEHAVIORS OF A GUY WHO WE KNOW IS RECKLESS WHEN GUY WHO WE KNOW IS RECKLESS WHEN HE BELIEVES HE’S WINNING AND HE HE BELIEVES HE’S WINNING AND HE DID WIN AND HE WON IN THE DID WIN AND HE WON IN THE POPULAR VOTE, WON THE ELECTORAL POPULAR VOTE, WON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, HE AND HIS AIDES HAVE COLLEGE, HE AND HIS AIDES HAVE REMINDED US CONSTANTLY. REMINDED US CONSTANTLY. THIS IS HOW HE TENDS TO ACT WHEN THIS IS HOW HE TENDS TO ACT WHEN HE THINKS HE’S GOT THE POLITICAL HE THINKS HE’S GOT THE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. ADVANTAGE. IT IS VERY RECKLESS AND THESE IT IS VERY RECKLESS AND THESE NOMINATIONS FALL APART, IT WON’T NOMINATIONS FALL APART, IT WON’T BE BECAUSE OF SOME WAR WITH THE BE BECAUSE OF SOME WAR WITH THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A IS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A GO-TO THING FOR HIM, RIGHT? GO-TO THING FOR HIM, RIGHT? WHEN TRUMP IS LOSING, SOMEONE WHEN TRUMP IS LOSING, SOMEONE ELSE IS CHEATING HIM AND IT IS ELSE IS CHEATING HIM AND IT IS EITHER THE DEMOCRATS OR THE EITHER THE DEMOCRATS OR THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPUBLICAN THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT SENATORS LEFT, ESTABLISHMENT SENATORS LEFT, TRUMP HAS DRIVEN MOST OF THEM TRUMP HAS DRIVEN MOST OF THEM OUT, SO, WHY ARE THESE NOMINEES OUT, SO, WHY ARE THESE NOMINEES RUNNING INTO TROUBLE? RUNNING INTO TROUBLE? BECAUSE OF TRUMP. BECAUSE OF TRUMP. HE WILL HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT HE WILL HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF AND I DOUBT HE’S GOING HIMSELF AND I DOUBT HE’S GOING TO BE ABLE TO WHIP UP THE MAGA TO BE ABLE TO WHIP UP THE MAGA BASE INTO SOME TYPE OF FRENZY BASE INTO SOME TYPE OF FRENZY OVER SOMEONE LIKE PETE HEGSETH. OVER SOMEONE LIKE PETE HEGSETH.","I DON’T KNOW.","I DON’T KNOW. I THINK HE’S VERY ADEPT AT I THINK HE’S VERY ADEPT AT SKIRTING RESPONSIBILITY. 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