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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Archaeology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Archaeology articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\""],"text":"\"Prehistory\" and \"History\"","linkableTitle":"\"Prehistory\" and \"History\""}--><h2 id=""Prehistory"_and_"History"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Prehistory"_and_"History"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z"><span id=".22Prehistory.22_and_.22History.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Prehistory"_and_"History"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z"></span>"Prehistory" and "History"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Prehistory"_and_"History"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: "Prehistory" and "History""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\""]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\"","timestamp":"2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\"-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\""],"text":"\"Prehistory\" and \"History\"","linkableTitle":"\"Prehistory\" and \"History\""}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-"Prehistory"_and_"History""></span>As I mention in the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Clothing_in_the_ancient_world#This_article.27s_inclusion_in_.22Prehistoric_Technology.22" title="Talk:Clothing in the ancient world">discussion</a> for <a href="/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world" title="Clothing in the ancient world">Clothing in the ancient world</a>, that article's inclusion in this template betrays a lack of understanding that "<a href="/wiki/Recorded_history" title="Recorded history">history</a>" refers to the period of the human past for which there are written records (and thus the existence of <a href="/wiki/Civilization" title="Civilization">civilization</a>), while "<a href="/wiki/Prehistory" title="Prehistory">prehistory</a>" refers to the period in which writing had not yet been developed. The <a href="/wiki/Neolithic_revolution" class="mw-redirect" title="Neolithic revolution">Neolithic revolution</a> and the emergence of <a href="/wiki/Agriculture" title="Agriculture">agriculture</a> and <a href="/wiki/Civilization" title="Civilization">civilization</a> are also generally synonymous with the development of writing (both in the <a href="/wiki/New_world" class="mw-redirect" title="New world">New</a> and <a href="/wiki/Old_World" title="Old World">Old World</a>), and thus form a traditional boundary between the periods. "Prehistorical" would then be appropriate to describe the technology that appears in <a href="/wiki/Prehistoric_technology" title="Prehistoric technology">Prehistoric technology</a>, such as that used by "<a href="/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman" class="mw-redirect" title="Ötzi the Iceman">Ötzi the Iceman</a>," but it is not correct to apply that term to, e.g., the clothing of ancient Rome or <a href="/wiki/Ancient_maritime_history" title="Ancient maritime history">ancient maritime history</a>. These are NOT prehistorical. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Blacksun1942&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Blacksun1942 (page does not exist)">Blacksun1942</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blacksun1942" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Blacksun1942">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-"Prehistory"_and_"History"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 14 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-"Prehistory"_and_"History""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z","author":"Blacksun1942","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-\"Prehistory\"_and_\"History\"","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:00:00.000Z-"Prehistory"_and_"History""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\""],"text":"Merge or separate \"Prehistorical\" and \"Ancient\"","linkableTitle":"Merge or separate \"Prehistorical\" and \"Ancient\""}--><h2 id="Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z"><span id="Merge_or_separate_.22Prehistorical.22_and_.22Ancient.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Merge or separate "Prehistorical" and "Ancient"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Merge or separate "Prehistorical" and "Ancient""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\""]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\"","timestamp":"2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\"-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\""],"text":"Merge or separate \"Prehistorical\" and \"Ancient\"","linkableTitle":"Merge or separate \"Prehistorical\" and \"Ancient\""}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient""></span>Given the inclusion of various articles that are concerned with the <a href="/wiki/Ancient" class="mw-redirect" title="Ancient">ancient</a> world and NOT <a href="/wiki/Prehistory" title="Prehistory">prehistory</a>, I suggest that either a new template should be formed, "<b>Ancient Technology</b>," or those articles dealing specifically and exclusively with ancient technology (i.e. <a href="/wiki/Ancient_maritime_history" title="Ancient maritime history">ancient maritime history</a>, <a href="/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world" title="Clothing in the ancient world">clothing in the ancient world</a>, etc) should be removed from this template. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Blacksun1942&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Blacksun1942 (page does not exist)">Blacksun1942</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blacksun1942" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Blacksun1942">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Blacksun1942","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_\"Prehistorical\"_and_\"Ancient\"","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blacksun1942-2013-08-14T12:13:00.000Z-Merge_or_separate_"Prehistorical"_and_"Ancient""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"],"text":"Inclusions","linkableTitle":"Inclusions"}--><h2 id="Inclusions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Inclusions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Inclusions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Inclusions-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"],"text":"Inclusions","linkableTitle":"Inclusions"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"></span>This is an interesting and useful template although I wonder about the logic of various parts of it, especially the architecture section. Why Göbekli Tepe and not other ancient sites; why Stonehenge but not e.g <a href="/wiki/Callanish" title="Callanish">Callanish</a>? Just referring to Scotland alone, there is no mention of <a href="/wiki/Unstan_ware" title="Unstan ware">Unstan ware</a>, <a href="/wiki/Broch" title="Broch">brochs</a>, or any of the <a href="/wiki/Oldest_buildings_in_Scotland" class="mw-redirect" title="Oldest buildings in Scotland">Oldest buildings in Scotland</a> yet there are some specific structures mentioned that (to me) are a little obscure. This is a huge topic and without some clear criteria I can see the template getting very bloated. <a href="/wiki/User:Ben_MacDui" title="User:Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#6495ED;">Ben</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ben_MacDui" title="User talk:Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#C154C1;">Mac</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ben_MacDui" title="Special:Contributions/Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#228B22;">Dui</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 10 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Ben MacDui","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions","replies":["c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ben"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Inclusions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span>I agree. My problem is the word 'technology' doesn't make me think of most of the things in the template. Where are <a href="/wiki/Lithic_core" title="Lithic core">Lithic core</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lithic_flake" title="Lithic flake">Lithic flake</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lithic_reduction" title="Lithic reduction">Lithic reduction</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lithic_technology" title="Lithic technology">Lithic technology</a> - which are clearly technology. <a href="/wiki/User:Dougweller" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dougweller">Dougweller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dougweller" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dougweller">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z","author":"Dougweller","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z"></span>Hello. I've added over half of the items, and have managed the templates placement and additions for quite awhile, so good to hear voices in the wilderness. I thought the Lithic items were in there, maybe under a slightly different name (EDIT: They're under toolmaking, and the section head 'Toolmaking' itself also links to <a href="/wiki/Lithic_technology" title="Lithic technology">Lithic technology</a>). The specific sites, some of them were added because they are unique in their technology or are major examples of the technology mentioned (mainly in architecture). I added Stonehenge because, well, it's Stonehenge (and a very good example of the type of ceremonial structure). Please add or subtract, and I had added Unsten ware earlier. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> 19:40 10 November, 2014 (UTC) <dl><dd>p.s. As for the meaning of technology, <a href="/wiki/Technology#Definition_and_usage" title="Technology">this may possibly</a> cover it, especially the third paragraph. Looked at Broch, wouldn't that be too late in the Iron age for this template? The page seems to indicate they were built in the A.D.'s, and I think that's the same reason I bypassed the oldest buildings in Scotland page. Unsten is listed as a subsection of 'Pottery'. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> 19:49 10 November, 2014 (UTC) <dl><dd>Ah yes - I see Unstan ware now. Brochs generally date from a prehistoric time in that there are no written records. However, Egyptian pyramids do not. I wonder if it might not be better to consider a Neolithic template rather than all of prehistory? There are at least 20 prehistoric structures listed at Oldest buildings in Scotland - and that's why I am suggesting criteria. Stonehenge is certainly iconic - but then so are <a href="/wiki/Newgrange" title="Newgrange">Newgrange</a>, <a href="/wiki/Carnac" title="Carnac">Carnac</a>, <a href="/wiki/Skara_Brae" title="Skara Brae">Skara Brae</a>, <a href="/wiki/Megaliths_in_Mecklenburg-Vorpommern" title="Megaliths in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern">Mecklenburg-Vorpommern</a>, <a href="/wiki/%C4%A0gantija" title="Ġgantija">Ġgantija</a>, etc., etc. I am reluctant to start adding yet more detail without some clear overarching structure. <a href="/wiki/User:Ben_MacDui" title="User:Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#6495ED;">Ben</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ben_MacDui" title="User talk:Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#C154C1;">Mac</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ben_MacDui" title="Special:Contributions/Ben MacDui"><span style="color:#228B22;">Dui</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Ben MacDui","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Ben"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ben_MacDui-2014-11-10T20:16:00.000Z-Dougweller-2014-11-10T17:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Good to have folks to talk to on this. Yes, many of the individual sites could be removed without adding more, unless that seems like the way to go. Stonehenge isn't really needed, but is on all the maps (inner and outer maps) that people have of prehistoric data. Brochs sound like a good addition then (have never studied them, a new "find" for me, thanks). Rather than one template, with the divisions this has turned into several template in one, and maybe just minor tweaks as discussed here will make the entire package even more useful and functional. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> 20:29 10 November, 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"],"text":"Template consolidation","linkableTitle":"Template consolidation"}--><h2 id="Template_consolidation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"></span>Template consolidation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Template consolidation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z","timestamp":"2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Template_consolidation-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"],"text":"Template consolidation","linkableTitle":"Template consolidation"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"></span>Need to trim this huge template down a bit... and fix the accessibility problem with all the sections. I will look this over in the next few days. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation","replies":["c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z-Template_consolidation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"></span>Hi. The template seems fine and inclusive, especially since it was moved into several sections (which, in effect, provides several related templates as one template, each one being of manageable size). If it is too large on a page it can be labeled 'state=collapsed' which will bring the size down to one line. A couple of us put in <i>lots</i> of work on this, and when it was divided into three sections that, for me, solved the size problem (it was concerning up until that point, but now it presents a good guide to the very large field of prehistoric technology). <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> 12:30 2 January, 2015 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Inclusive is right every possible link is here like a category including many not all that related. Also best we dont collapse sections so that mobile users and thoses with disabilities can use it. Since someone spoke up before my edits (was not expecting a reply at all)...I will do it in a sand box first.... then we can decide on the best format.-- <a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z"></span>Forget all the above ....I see that you guys just did all this....I will move on to something else. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Prehistoric_technology#c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2015-01-02T12:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐6df7948d6c‐97d8g Cached time: 20241127213114 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.015 seconds CPU time usage: 0.235 seconds Real time usage: 0.304 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1169/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 24187/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 2842/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 14/100 Expensive parser function count: 38/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 25490/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.126/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2330173/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 239.769 1 -total 55.25% 132.482 1 Template:WPBS 44.70% 107.178 1 Template:Talk_header 28.65% 68.702 1 Template:WikiProject_Technology 14.15% 33.937 1 Template:Yearly_archive_list 12.04% 28.857 1 Template:Pagetype 12.03% 28.853 1 Template:For_loop 7.68% 18.413 23 Template:Ifexist_not_redirect 6.06% 14.534 1 Template:WikiProject_History 4.89% 11.726 1 Template:WikiProject_Archaeology --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:34751160:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241127213114 and revision id 1087986135. 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