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id="toc-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue_as_cite_journal,_violating_CITEVAR_and_reintroducing_previously-fixed_CS1_errors" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue_as_cite_journal,_violating_CITEVAR_and_reintroducing_previously-fixed_CS1_errors"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Undoes DELIBERATE formatting of conference-proceedings-in-journal-special issue as cite journal, violating CITEVAR and reintroducing previously-fixed CS1 errors</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue_as_cite_journal,_violating_CITEVAR_and_reintroducing_previously-fixed_CS1_errors-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-caps" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#caps"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>caps</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-caps-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Unreal page numbers from PubMed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul 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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-web_vs_book" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#web_vs_book"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>web vs book</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-web_vs_book-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wrong_parameter" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wrong_parameter"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Wrong parameter</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wrong_parameter-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Bot gives webpages wrong date</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Changing google books top-level domain; "Citation bot bypass" not helping</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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|title=A simple proposal for the publication of journal citation distributions |journal=bioRxiv |page=062109 |url=http://biorxiv.org/lookup/doi/10.1101/062109 |language=en |doi=10.1101/062109 |hdl=1866/23301 |s2cid=64293941 |hdl-access=free}}</code></li> <li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFLarivièreKiermerMacCallumMcNutt2016" class="citation journal cs1">Larivière, Vincent; Kiermer, Véronique; MacCallum, Catriona J.; McNutt, Marcia; Patterson, Mark; Pulverer, Bernd; Swaminathan, Sowmya; Taylor, Stuart; Curry, Stephen (2016-07-05). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://biorxiv.org/lookup/doi/10.1101/062109">"A simple proposal for the publication of journal citation distributions"</a>. <i>bioRxiv</i>: 062109. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1101%2F062109">10.1101/062109</a>. <a href="/wiki/Hdl_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Hdl (identifier)">hdl</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://hdl.handle.net/1866%2F23301">1866/23301</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/S2CID_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="S2CID (identifier)">S2CID</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://api.semanticscholar.org/CorpusID:64293941">64293941</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=bioRxiv&rft.atitle=A+simple+proposal+for+the+publication+of+journal+citation+distributions&rft.pages=062109&rft.date=2016-07-05&rft_id=info%3Ahdl%2F1866%2F23301&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.semanticscholar.org%2FCorpusID%3A64293941%23id-name%3DS2CID&rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1101%2F062109&rft.aulast=Larivi%C3%A8re&rft.aufirst=Vincent&rft.au=Kiermer%2C+V%C3%A9ronique&rft.au=MacCallum%2C+Catriona+J.&rft.au=McNutt%2C+Marcia&rft.au=Patterson%2C+Mark&rft.au=Pulverer%2C+Bernd&rft.au=Swaminathan%2C+Sowmya&rft.au=Taylor%2C+Stuart&rft.au=Curry%2C+Stephen&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fbiorxiv.org%2Flookup%2Fdoi%2F10.1101%2F062109&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li>The bot should keep <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|author/last/first/date/year/title/language=</code>, convert <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|doi=</code> to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|biorxiv=</code>, and throw the rest away.</li> <li><code>{{cite bioRxiv |last1=Larivière |first1=Vincent |last2=Kiermer |first2=Véronique |last3=MacCallum |first3=Catriona J. |last4=McNutt |first4=Marcia |last5=Patterson |first5=Mark |last6=Pulverer |first6=Bernd |last7=Swaminathan |first7=Sowmya |last8=Taylor |first8=Stuart |last9=Curry |first9=Stephen |date=2016-07-05 |title=A simple proposal for the publication of journal citation distributions |language=en |biorxiv=10.1101/062109}}</code></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFLarivièreKiermerMacCallumMcNutt2016" class="citation biorxiv cs1">Larivière, Vincent; Kiermer, Véronique; MacCallum, Catriona J.; McNutt, Marcia; Patterson, Mark; Pulverer, Bernd; Swaminathan, Sowmya; Taylor, Stuart; Curry, Stephen (2016-07-05). "A simple proposal for the publication of journal citation distributions". <a href="/wiki/BioRxiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="BioRxiv (identifier)">bioRxiv</a> <span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1101%2F062109">10.1101/062109</a></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=bioRxiv&rft.atitle=A+simple+proposal+for+the+publication+of+journal+citation+distributions&rft.date=2016-07-05&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1101%2F062109%23id-name%3DbioRxiv&rft.aulast=Larivi%C3%A8re&rft.aufirst=Vincent&rft.au=Kiermer%2C+V%C3%A9ronique&rft.au=MacCallum%2C+Catriona+J.&rft.au=McNutt%2C+Marcia&rft.au=Patterson%2C+Mark&rft.au=Pulverer%2C+Bernd&rft.au=Swaminathan%2C+Sowmya&rft.au=Taylor%2C+Stuart&rft.au=Curry%2C+Stephen&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li>If it was from a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation" title="Template:Citation">citation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, append <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|mode=cs2</code> to it.</li> <li>To be extra safe, this should only be done when the DOI starts with 10.1101. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240620082000-Feature_requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240620082000-Feature_requests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240620082000-Feature_requests"></span></li> <li>Same for with <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|journal=medRxiv</code> or <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|journal=medRxiv: The Preprint Server for Health Sciences</code> [case insensitive] and convertions to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_medrxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite medrxiv">cite medrxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></li></ul></li> <li>If encountering a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_bioRxiv" title="Template:Cite bioRxiv">cite bioRxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> that is fully published, convert it to a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFWolfSilanderVan_Nimwegen2014" class="citation biorxiv cs1">Wolf, Luise; Silander, Olin K.; Van Nimwegen, Erik J. (2014). "Expression noise facilitates the evolution of gene regulation". <a href="/wiki/BioRxiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="BioRxiv (identifier)">bioRxiv</a> <span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1101%2F007237">10.1101/007237</a></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=bioRxiv&rft.atitle=Expression+noise+facilitates+the+evolution+of+gene+regulation&rft.date=2014&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1101%2F007237%23id-name%3DbioRxiv&rft.aulast=Wolf&rft.aufirst=Luise&rft.au=Silander%2C+Olin+K.&rft.au=Van+Nimwegen%2C+Erik+J.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span> says "Now published in eLife doi: 10.7554/eLife.05856"</li> <li>So TNT the citation</li> <li><code>{{cite journal |biorxiv=10.1101/007237 |doi=10.7554/eLife.05856}}</code></li> <li>and expand it</li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFWolfSilanderVan_Nimwegen2015" class="citation journal cs1">Wolf, Luise; Silander, Olin K.; Van Nimwegen, Erik (2015). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4468965">"Expression noise facilitates the evolution of gene regulation"</a>. <i>eLife</i>. <b>4</b>: e05856. <a href="/wiki/BioRxiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="BioRxiv (identifier)">bioRxiv</a> <span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1101%2F007237">10.1101/007237</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.7554%2FeLife.05856">10.7554/eLife.05856</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/PMC_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="PMC (identifier)">PMC</a> <span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4468965">4468965</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/PMID_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="PMID (identifier)">PMID</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26080931">26080931</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=eLife&rft.atitle=Expression+noise+facilitates+the+evolution+of+gene+regulation&rft.volume=4&rft.pages=e05856&rft.date=2015&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC4468965%23id-name%3DPMC&rft_id=info%3Apmid%2F26080931&rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.7554%2FeLife.05856&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1101%2F007237%23id-name%3DbioRxiv&rft.aulast=Wolf&rft.aufirst=Luise&rft.au=Silander%2C+Olin+K.&rft.au=Van+Nimwegen%2C+Erik&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC4468965&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li>New DOI is in crossref. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://api.crossref.org/works/10.1101/007237">https://api.crossref.org/works/10.1101/007237</a></li> <li>Same for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_medRxiv" title="Template:Cite medRxiv">cite medRxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book" data-mw-thread-id="h-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book-20230927222500"><span id="Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher.27s_webpage_to_Cite_book"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book-20230927222500"></span>Changing every citation of a publisher's webpage to Cite book<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book-20230927222500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Changing every citation of a publisher's webpage to Cite book"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Οἶδα-20230927222500-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book"></span>I have remained silent on this issue even though it has irritated me for a while now. And now that there is discussion above about the widespread useless cosmetic edits this bot continues to waste everyone's time with, I'll raise it: Why must every citation of a publisher's webpage be changed to to <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">Cite book</a>? I can only speak for myself, but every time I cite such book webpages I am not citing the book itself. I am specifically referencing the information published on the webpage. So of course I do not want the citation to be changed to Cite book with a bunch of parameters of the book itself (ISBN, date, etc) added. So I inevitably stop the bot or replace the reference with a third-party source. I realise the defense will be "It doesn't hurt" or that some users are actually citing the book. And I realise this is not the most pressing issue, but why must the bot come to its own conclusion of the editor's intent? I see another user <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_32#Web->Book:_I_don't_think_that_it_was_right_in_this_case..." title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 32">complained of this issue last year</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User:Οἶδα">Οἶδα</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User talk:Οἶδα">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Οἶδα-20230927222500-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Οἶδα-20230927222500-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Οἶδα-20230927222500-Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20230928013800-Οἶδα-20230927222500"></span>This may be the kind of situation where it's safest to explicitly tell citation bot not to muck with the citation. It's hard to automatically judge whether the human editor actually wanted "cite web" or "cite book". (There are many examples of people using "cite web" to cite resources that should actually be books, journal articles, etc.) –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Jacobolus-20230928013800-Οἶδα-20230927222500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20230928013800-Οἶδα-20230927222500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20230928013800-Οἶδα-20230927222500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Οἶδα-20231013213200-Jacobolus-20230928013800"></span>I understand. But it still feels like an another unnecessary task for this bot to insert itself into every article it can possibly find. For example, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carlos_Rojas_(sinologist)&diff=prev&oldid=1180001423">this edit</a> is completely useless and actually corrupts my intention of the citation. Call me crazy but I don't want or need a bot telling me what I am citing (and actively altering my citations accordingly). <a href="/wiki/User:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User:Οἶδα">Οἶδα</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User talk:Οἶδα">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Οἶδα-20231013213200-Jacobolus-20230928013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Οἶδα-20231013213200-Jacobolus-20230928013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Οἶδα-20231013213200-Jacobolus-20230928013800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20231013221300-Οἶδα-20231013213200"></span>When I've quoted publisher blurbs in the past, I usually set <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|type=publisher's blurb</code> for clarity. In the specific case you've linked just above, another option would be not to cite the publisher's landing page at all, and add the book to a "Selected works" subsection or something. Indeed, the altered citation is sequential to another one, and so seems a bit superfluous. Or, alternatively, use "Citation bot bypass" somewhere in your citation as suggested by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a></span> above.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Given the overall lazy referencing culture of less experienced editors, it's likely that in the majority of cases, people who drop a link to a publisher landing page are probably trying to cite the book itself, so this behaviour of assuming that's the case is net beneficial. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20231013221300-Οἶδα-20231013213200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20231013221300-Οἶδα-20231013213200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20231013221300-Οἶδα-20231013213200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Οἶδα-20231014063500-Folly_Mox-20231013221300"></span>I cannot personally maintain that the majority of users citing a publisher's webpage are lazily intending to cite the book itself. My experience suggests otherwise which is why I have taken issue, but I realise my editing purview might be skewed. However, if that is observably true then I will resign to accepting this as a forgivable externality. <a href="/wiki/User:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User:Οἶδα">Οἶδα</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%CE%9F%E1%BC%B6%CE%B4%CE%B1" title="User talk:Οἶδα">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Οἶδα-20231014063500-Folly_Mox-20231013221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Οἶδα-20231014063500-Folly_Mox-20231013221300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Οἶδα-20231014063500-Folly_Mox-20231013221300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20231014083200-Οἶδα-20231014063500"></span>In fairness to your point, I haven't looked into the data about how frequently this sort of change is appropriate; it could be the case that my own perspective is the skewed one. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20231014083200-Οἶδα-20231014063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20231014083200-Οἶδα-20231014063500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20231014083200-Οἶδα-20231014063500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-R._S._Shaw-20231206041200-Οἶδα-20230927222500"></span>I couldn't find a list of tasks that the bot has been approved for (other than the very first approval) nor a thorough description of all of its mystical activities. I was surprised to find it would change "Cite web" to "Cite book" (for unclear reasons). The only cure, if the bot is unchanged, seems to be the <code></code> mechanism documented at <a href="/wiki/User:Citation_bot#Stopping_the_bot_from_editing" title="User:Citation bot">User:Citation_bot#Stopping_the_bot_from_editing</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:R._S._Shaw" title="User:R. S. Shaw">R. S. Shaw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:R._S._Shaw" title="User talk:R. S. Shaw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-R._S._Shaw-20231206041200-Οἶδα-20230927222500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-R._S._Shaw-20231206041200-Οἶδα-20230927222500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-R._S._Shaw-20231206041200-Οἶδα-20230927222500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="URL_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-URL_removed-20241030105700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-URL_removed-20241030105700"></span>URL removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-URL_removed-20241030105700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: URL removed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mika1h-20241030105700-URL_removed"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Mika1h" title="User:Mika1h">Mika1h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mika1h" title="User talk:Mika1h">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Mika1h-20241030105700-URL_removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mika1h-20241030105700-URL_removed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mika1h-20241030105700-URL_removed"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241030113600-URL_removed"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>Bot replaces cite web with cite book, it removes the URL completely</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>Nothing, the ref cited a <a href="/wiki/Library_Journal" title="Library Journal">Library Journal</a> review that's listed on the Amazon site for the book, now it cites just the book, there's no link to click to see the review.</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shatnerverse&diff=prev&oldid=1254239468">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shatnerverse&diff=prev&oldid=1254239468</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>Identical to <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book">§ Changing every citation of a publisher's webpage to Cite book</a> above. While the choice of formatting may be questioned (can't the <i>Library Journal</i> review be located somewhere less objectionable than Amazon?) the behaviour here is the same underlying misfeature of altering any webpage citation where a book's bibliographic information is presented, as if the citation was meant to be to content of the book rather than e.g. a publisher's blurb or library listing. I think there are more discussions of this in the talkpage archives here; I used to favour this feature, but I'm no longer so sure it's a net positive. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241030113600-URL_removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241030113600-URL_removed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241030113600-URL_removed"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241030130100-Folly_Mox-20241030113600"></span>Apart from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_32#Web->Book:_I_don't_think_that_it_was_right_in_this_case..." title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 32">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 32 § Web->Book: I don't think that it was right in this case...</a> (May 2022) linked in the thread above, there was some conversation at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_39#Introduces_ref_error_when_citing_Penguin_publisher_website" title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39 § Introduces ref error when citing Penguin publisher website</a> (May 2024). There could be others. I have to go to work. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241030130100-Folly_Mox-20241030113600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241030130100-Folly_Mox-20241030113600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241030130100-Folly_Mox-20241030113600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL-20240304033600"><span id="Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_.23_from_a_cite.27s_URL"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL-20240304033600"></span>Why is Citation Bot removing a page # from a cite's URL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL-20240304033600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Why is Citation Bot removing a page # from a cite's URL"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shearonink-20240304033600-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL"></span>On <a href="/wiki/Charles_Clinton" title="Charles Clinton">Charles Clinton</a>, Citation bot removes "?seq=9" from this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43565415?seq=9">URL</a>. That bit of code give the Page # within the larger cite, so why does Citation bot remove it? It makes sense to me to leave that bit of code in there but the bot doesn't seem to think so. It's removed it twice, once <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Clinton&diff=next&oldid=1211724284">here</a> and once <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=1211507543">here</a>, so maybe I'm wrong... Would appreciate some clarification. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Shearonink" title="User:Shearonink">Shearonink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shearonink" title="User talk:Shearonink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Shearonink-20240304033600-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shearonink-20240304033600-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shearonink-20240304033600-Why_is_Citation_Bot_removing_a_page_#_from_a_cite's_URL"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shearonink-20240304033700-Shearonink-20240304033600"></span>Also, if by some chance I am correct, is there any way to stop people from running the Bot needlessly on this supposed issue? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Shearonink" title="User:Shearonink">Shearonink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shearonink" title="User talk:Shearonink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Shearonink-20240304033700-Shearonink-20240304033600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shearonink-20240304033700-Shearonink-20240304033600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shearonink-20240304033700-Shearonink-20240304033600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240304040900-Shearonink-20240304033600"></span>The landing page is the same in either case. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240304040900-Shearonink-20240304033600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240304040900-Shearonink-20240304033600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240304040900-Shearonink-20240304033600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shearonink-20240304045500-Headbomb-20240304040900"></span>It isn't the same for me... The one without the ?seq lands me on the main page, the URL <i>with</i> the ?seq=9" lands me on the exact page with the quoted text... <a href="/wiki/User:Shearonink" title="User:Shearonink">Shearonink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shearonink" title="User talk:Shearonink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Shearonink-20240304045500-Headbomb-20240304040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shearonink-20240304045500-Headbomb-20240304040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shearonink-20240304045500-Headbomb-20240304040900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240304080600-Shearonink-20240304045500"></span>Yes, I also see the preview page showing page 9 of 17 with the ?seq parameter. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240304080600-Shearonink-20240304045500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240304080600-Shearonink-20240304045500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240304080600-Shearonink-20240304045500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shearonink-20240304154900-David_Eppstein-20240304080600"></span>Oh good <a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> it isn't just me... The ?seq code might be taking us & other registered editors to the exact page because we have a JSTOR account through the WP Library I guess... But even if people don't have a JSTOR account the *code* should be left there, otherwise the URL seems useless. I like to give readers the option of going down the rabbithole of verifiability if they want to. Why is WP giving readers an URL that is to the entire book or article as the Citation bot default when the bot is run on the article? <a href="/wiki/User:Shearonink" title="User:Shearonink">Shearonink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shearonink" title="User talk:Shearonink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Shearonink-20240304154900-David_Eppstein-20240304080600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shearonink-20240304154900-David_Eppstein-20240304080600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shearonink-20240304154900-David_Eppstein-20240304080600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240304172700-Shearonink-20240304154900"></span>Actually currently JSTOR thinks it is providing me access through UT Dallas, I guess because I was there for a conference last summer. But yes, this should be left in place, like the pg= parameter of Google Books links, for the same reason. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240304172700-Shearonink-20240304154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240304172700-Shearonink-20240304154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240304172700-Shearonink-20240304154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400-David_Eppstein-20240304172700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5" title="Special:Contributions/2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5">2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400-David_Eppstein-20240304172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400-David_Eppstein-20240304172700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400-David_Eppstein-20240304172700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RememberOrwell-20240918060400-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a>. I just undid the edit the bot had done at @<a href="/wiki/User:Jay8g" title="User:Jay8g">Jay8g</a>'s request. <a href="/wiki/User:RememberOrwell" title="User:RememberOrwell">RememberOrwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RememberOrwell" title="User talk:RememberOrwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-RememberOrwell-20240918060400-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RememberOrwell-20240918060400-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RememberOrwell-20240918060400-2409:4070:4381:EF12:0:0:1BF5:A5-20240429123400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references-20240402202900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references-20240402202900"></span>CITEVAR and manually formatted references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references-20240402202900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: CITEVAR and manually formatted references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240402202900-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references"></span>I asked this in the discussion of an earlier bug but it was archived without providing an answer. Can you please explain </p> <ol><li>How is it not a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITEVAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITEVAR">WP:CITEVAR</a> for Citation bot to convert manually-formatted references into templates, as it is doing e.g. at <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1216926071" title="Special:Diff/1216926071">Special:Diff/1216926071</a>? A human might do this but a bot automatically doing it is completely something else, especially in cases such as here where it does not even improve the consistency of formatting (the article is still a mix of CS1, CS2, and manually-formatted references).</li> <li>For those of us who might deliberately format references manually because <i>we don't want bots messing with our citations</i>, or <i>we made a deliberate decision that the citation templates were inadequate for some specific citation</i>, do we now have to start explicitly locking the bots out of articles altogether?</li> <li>Where is this included in the BAG-approved tasks for this bot?</li> <li>I find the bot's edit summary "Changed bare reference" to be significantly misleading. This is not a bare-url reference. It is a well-formatted reference that happens to be manually formatted. Where is there any guideline or policy suggesting that such references are a problem that needs to be fixed?</li></ol> <p>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240402202900-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240402202900-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240402202900-CITEVAR_and_manually_formatted_references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240402230900-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"></span>There's already citation templates on that page. No CITEVAR violation happened. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240402230900-David_Eppstein-20240402202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240402230900-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240402230900-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240402231700-Headbomb-20240402230900"></span>I mix manually formatted citations and template-formatted citations on pages all the time, deliberately. I would be extremely annoyed if a bot took it upon itself to change that deliberate decision. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240402231700-Headbomb-20240402230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240402231700-Headbomb-20240402230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240402231700-Headbomb-20240402230900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240402231100-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"></span>It should however, preserve the editors. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240402231100-David_Eppstein-20240402202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240402231100-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240402231100-David_Eppstein-20240402202900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors" data-mw-thread-id="h-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors-20240620230700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors-20240620230700"></span>STILL creating new CS1 errors<span data-mw-comment-end="h-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors-20240620230700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: STILL creating new CS1 errors"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240620230700-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"></span>Changing an incorrect cite journal to cite book <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tarjan%27s_strongly_connected_components_algorithm&curid=8244667&diff=1230141503&oldid=1222161556">[1]</a>: Good (although would have been better as cite conference). </p><p>Creating a new CS1 error where there was none before, because it left the paper title in the book title parameter and did not change the journal parameter to a book title parameter: doubleplusungood. </p><p>Stop it. </p><p>Posting as a message rather than a new bug because this is not a new bug. It is an old bug that has been ignored far too long by the developers (see <a href="#Causing_template_errors">#Causing template errors</a>, above). It needs to be fixed. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240620230700-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240620230700-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240620230700-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240620231100-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"></span>It's not creating error, it's flagging errors that were already there, but not reported. <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|journal=FM 2014: Formal Methods</code> was wrong before. That the bot didn't manage to fix it doesn't make it a new error. Now the error is reported. This is an improvement, even though ideally the bot would be able to figure out and fix the error itself. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240620231100-David_Eppstein-20240620230700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240620231100-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240620231100-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240620232000-Headbomb-20240620231100"></span>INCORRECT. It is creating an error, because formerly readers could see the paper title, see the book title (called a journal, but still formatted in italics the way readers would expect a book title to look), and see that it was a paper in a book with that title. After the edit, readers were presented only with the paper title, formatted as a book title, falsely telling them both in visible appearance and reference metadata that the reference was to an entire book-length work. It is not merely that it is creating CS1 errors, although that is bad enough. It is also making the reference less accurate in both its metadata and in its visible appearance. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240620232000-Headbomb-20240620231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240620232000-Headbomb-20240620231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240620232000-Headbomb-20240620231100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20240621000200-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"></span>I've gotten really exhausted with this category of error introduced by Citation bot, which I encounter every day I edit. I used to creep its contributions and clean up after it, but I've started just reverting its edits that cause this kind of template error, regardless of any value added, and only sometimes actually fix up the citations myself. Few of the editors who call Citation bot on large sets of pages ever check in after it to see if it's causing errors, so typically no one notices my reverts.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I saw a few weeks back that for one subset of conferences (IEEE maybe? or SPIE?) Citation bot has successfully been changing <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> without introducing errors and growing the backlogs. So there has been a partial fix, but it's pretty frustrating that this known error has been perpetuated in thousands of edits spanning months.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Citation bot does not have an approved BRFA task to change citation template types, and changing to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> has been the one that's particularly fraught and error-prone ever since support for the aliases of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|periodical=</code> was dropped from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> a year ago. The easiest thing would be if support were readded, but that seems highly unlikely. I do think that eventually, if this bug isn't fixed, I'll end up asking BAG to ban Citation bot changing template type to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Disabling the functionality would be an improvement over the current situation. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20240621000200-David_Eppstein-20240620230700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20240621000200-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20240621000200-David_Eppstein-20240620230700"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240918065300-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"></span>Still ongoing failure to remove journal= from conversions to cite book, creating new CS1 errors and wasted time for human editors: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1245112056" title="Special:Diff/1245112056">Special:Diff/1245112056</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240918065300-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240918065300-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240918065300-STILL_creating_new_CS1_errors"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2-20240728212000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2-20240728212000"></span>Adds cs1-formatted reference to article whose references are entirely in cs2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2-20240728212000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Adds cs1-formatted reference to article whose references are entirely in cs2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240728212000-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240728212000-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240728212000-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240728212000-Adds_cs1-formatted_reference_to_article_whose_references_are_entirely_in_cs2"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>What happens</dt> <dd>In <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Book_embedding&diff=1237239048&oldid=1234808318">this edit</a> the bot turned a bare-url reference, in an article all of whose many templated references were in Citation Style 2 (some using cite templates with mode=cs2), into a cite web template in Citation Style 1</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>Not that. There is no reason to use cite web when the citation template works ok. In this case it could have been cite report if the bot were more intelligent, but that's above and beyond the bug in question</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>It should be enough to do a pass for new <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_xxx" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Cite xxx">cite xxx</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> being added in the edit if every other cite was <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation" title="Template:Citation">citation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_xxx" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Cite xxx">cite xxx</a>|mode=cs2}}</code>. The exception should be that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite arxiv">cite arxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_bioRxiv" title="Template:Cite bioRxiv">cite bioRxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_citeseerx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite citeseerx">cite citeseerx</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_medrxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite medrxiv">cite medrxiv</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_ssrn" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite ssrn">cite ssrn</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> all have <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|mode=cs2</code> added to them instead of being converted to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation" title="Template:Citation">citation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue_as_cite_journal,_violating_CITEVAR_and_reintroducing_previously-fixed_CS1_errors" data-mw-thread-id="h-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue-20240814013200"><span id="Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue_as_cite_journal.2C_violating_CITEVAR_and_reintroducing_previously-fixed_CS1_errors"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue-20240814013200"></span>Undoes DELIBERATE formatting of conference-proceedings-in-journal-special issue as cite journal, violating CITEVAR and reintroducing previously-fixed CS1 errors<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue-20240814013200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Undoes DELIBERATE formatting of conference-proceedings-in-journal-special issue as cite journal, violating CITEVAR and reintroducing previously-fixed CS1 errors"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814013200-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240814013200-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814013200-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240814013200-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20240814014000-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>In <a href="/wiki/Kenneth_E._Iverson" title="Kenneth E. Iverson">Kenneth E. Iverson</a>, one of the references is to a paper in the "Conference proceedings on APL as a tool of thought - APL '89", published in a special issue of <i>APL Quote Quad</i>, a periodical. It had a cite conference format but a journal= parameter, a CS1 error, which I fixed in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1238853961" title="Special:Diff/1238853961">Special:Diff/1238853961</a>. It is not possible to simultaneously format it as a book and a periodical; I deliberately chose one, using cite journal to get most of the metadata correct and using department= to provide the remaining metadata, that this journal issue is a conference proceedings and the name of the proceedings. In the very next edit <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239895881" title="Special:Diff/1239895881">Special:Diff/1239895881</a>, Citation bot under the control of <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">User:Headbomb</a> edit-warred to restore the citation to its unfixed CS1 error state as a cite book with erroneous journal parameter, but now with an extra erroneous department parameter. Incidentally, all of the major computer graphics conferences and many database conferences now publish their conference proceedings as special issues of journals (and have done so for years), and there are many older programming language conference proceedings published in <i>ACM SIGPLAN Notices</i>. This is something we must handle properly, not a weird one-off situation that we can handle by marking it as special. The situation that the citation templates do not make it easy or convenient to cite such things should not be exacerbated by the citation bot not understanding these things and lobotomizing the citations to fit its poor understanding.</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>Not that</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_conference" title="Template:Cite conference">Cite conference</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> supports both book and journal parameters. That's what I use to cite conference proceedings published as special journal issues. Not sure why Citation bot doesn't. Would certainly be a quicker fix than publisher by publisher. Also, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> supports <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|isbn=</code>, so I'm not sure why conference proceedings keep getting mistranslated into <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>s. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20240814014000-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20240814014000-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20240814014000-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814014600-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"></span>It's interesting that cite conference allows both conference= and journal=, and that would also be an acceptable way of formatting the citation, but it doesn't format the citation as a publication in a periodical the way cite journal does. (It spells out the volume and issue instead of using the abbreviated format of cite journal.) —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240814014600-Folly_Mox-20240814014000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814014600-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240814014600-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20240821075800-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"></span>It would be nice if <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation" title="Template:Citation">citation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> supported something like a "conference" parameter. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Jacobolus-20240821075800-Folly_Mox-20240814014000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20240821075800-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20240821075800-Folly_Mox-20240814014000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240814031600-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span>First, if you do something deliberately weird, then the 'solution', so to speak, is to follow <a href="/wiki/User:Citation_bot#Stopping_the_bot_from_editing" title="User:Citation bot">User:Citation bot#Stopping the bot from editing</a> (bullet #2), not block the bot on the entire article. Second, the issue here is that you're trying to have two citations in one. The first is from the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1145%2F75145.75170">10.1145/75145.75170</a>: </p> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFHagamenBerryIversonWeber1989" class="citation journal cs1">Hagamen, W.; Berry, P. C.; Iverson, K. E.; Weber, J. C. (1989). "Processing natural language syntactic and semantic mechanisms". <i>ACM SIGAPL APL Quote Quad</i>. <b>19</b> (4): 184–189. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1145%2F75145.75170">10.1145/75145.75170</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=ACM+SIGAPL+APL+Quote+Quad&rft.atitle=Processing+natural+language+syntactic+and+semantic+mechanisms&rft.volume=19&rft.issue=4&rft.pages=184-189&rft.date=1989&rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1145%2F75145.75170&rft.aulast=Hagamen&rft.aufirst=W.&rft.au=Berry%2C+P.+C.&rft.au=Iverson%2C+K.+E.&rft.au=Weber%2C+J.+C.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p>The second is from the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0897913272" title="Special:BookSources/0897913272">0897913272</a>/<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1145%2F75144.75170">10.1145/75144.75170</a> (note 10.1145/7514<b>4</b>.75170 vs 10.1145/7514<b>5</b>.75170): </p> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFHagamenBerryIversonWeber1989" class="citation book cs1">Hagamen, W.; Berry, P. C.; Iverson, K. E.; Weber, J. C. (1989). "Processing natural language syntactic and semantic mechanisms". In Kertész, Ádám; Shaw, Lynne C. (eds.). <i>APL '89 Conference Proceedings: APL as a tool of thought; New York City, August 7–10, 1989</i>. New York, NY: ACM. pp. 184–189. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0897913272" title="Special:BookSources/0897913272"><bdi>0897913272</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=bookitem&rft.atitle=Processing+natural+language+syntactic+and+semantic+mechanisms&rft.btitle=APL+%2789+Conference+Proceedings%3A+APL+as+a+tool+of+thought%3B+New+York+City%2C+August+7%E2%80%9310%2C+1989&rft.place=New+York%2C+NY&rft.pages=184-189&rft.pub=ACM&rft.date=1989&rft.isbn=0897913272&rft.aulast=Hagamen&rft.aufirst=W.&rft.au=Berry%2C+P.+C.&rft.au=Iverson%2C+K.+E.&rft.au=Weber%2C+J.+C.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ACitation+bot" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p> <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240814031600-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240814031600-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240814031600-Undoes_DELIBERATE_formatting_of_conference-proceedings-in-journal-special_issue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814045000-Headbomb-20240814031600"></span>Perhaps you failed to read my message. Perhaps you are unaware how annoying it is to put time and effort into cleaning up problems only to have some editor-with-bot fuck up the article in exactly the same way again. But regardless, you are incorrect. They are not two publications. They are a single publication, of a paper in a conference proceedings in a journal. Conference proceedings get published in journals, all the time. Get over it and stop making work for others when you don't understand things. That goes for the bot, too. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240814045000-Headbomb-20240814031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814045000-Headbomb-20240814031600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240814045000-Headbomb-20240814031600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20240814052600-David_Eppstein-20240814045000"></span>Clearly these have been published both in a book (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1145%2F75144.75170">10.1145/75144.75170</a>) and in <i>APL Quote Quad</i> (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1145%2F75145.75170">10.1145/75145.75170</a>) and the core of the issue is that you've mixed the journal DOI with the book ISBN. These two should not be present in the same citation. That you insist that they are is the root cause of your issues.</dd> <dd>I'll flip things back on you, because you clearly are unaware of how annoying it is to be accused of bad faith behaviour get reflexively reverted <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenneth_E._Iverson&diff=prev&oldid=1240216169">[2]</a> without understanding what it is you reverted. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20240814052600-David_Eppstein-20240814045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20240814052600-David_Eppstein-20240814045000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20240814052600-David_Eppstein-20240814045000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814054000-Headbomb-20240814052600"></span>Ok, now this is rising to the level of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT">WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT</a>. The original publication of the book was as an issue of APL Quote Quad. Perhaps you have never subscribed to an ACM SIG newsletter and sometimes received surprise conference proceedings in your mailbox when the conference published its proceedings as an issue of the newsletter. I have. It used to be a standard way to publish the proceedings of minor ACM conferences (the major ones got a separately published proceedings volume). Maybe they separated them later and decided to give them separate dois. Did not the fact that they had identical page numbers give you any second thoughts? Who would reprint a whole conference proceedings as a second, separate publication, and why? —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240814054000-Headbomb-20240814052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240814054000-Headbomb-20240814052600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240814054000-Headbomb-20240814052600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20240814230100-David_Eppstein-20240814054000"></span>They have identical publication dates (1 July 1989) as well as page numbers, and both PDFs are marked with "APL QUOTE QUAD" in the page footers. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-XOR'easter-20240814230100-David_Eppstein-20240814054000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20240814230100-David_Eppstein-20240814054000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20240814230100-David_Eppstein-20240814054000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20240821075600-Headbomb-20240814052600"></span>Canceling deliberate bot exclusions, as in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1240206999" title="Special:Diff/1240206999">special:diff/1240206999</a>, without consensus/discussion, seems way, way out of line. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Jacobolus-20240821075600-Headbomb-20240814052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20240821075600-Headbomb-20240814052600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20240821075600-Headbomb-20240814052600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="caps" data-mw-thread-id="h-caps-20240916195600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-caps-20240916195600"></span>caps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-caps-20240916195600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: caps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps-1"></span>What happens</dt> <dd><code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|title=Phylogenetic Placement and Circumscription of Tribes Inuleae s. <span style="color: red;">STR</span>. <span style="color: red;">And</span> Plucheeae (Asteraceae): Evidence from Sequences of Chloroplast Gene <span style="color: red;">NDHF</span></code></dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd><code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|title=Phylogenetic Placement and Circumscription of Tribes Inuleae s. <span style="color: red;">str</span>. <span style="color: red;">and</span> Plucheeae (Asteraceae): Evidence from Sequences of Chloroplast Gene <span style="color: red;">ndhF</span></code></dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plucheeae&diff=prev&oldid=1246081258">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plucheeae&diff=prev&oldid=1246081258</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> I think Citation bot is to aggressive in it's capitalization of every three-/four-letter combinations and words following a dot. Also on other references it many times incorrectly capitalizes words inside parentheses. <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-20240916195600-caps-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000-Josve05a-20240916195600"></span>specific issues fixed. some special code for parentheses does need added <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000-Josve05a-20240916195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000-Josve05a-20240916195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000-Josve05a-20240916195600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112234800-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000"></span>Note to self. Look at UCFIRST_JOURNAL_ACRONYMS in expandFns.php. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112234800-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112234800-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112234800-AManWithNoPlan-20240919143000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed-20241002042700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed-20241002042700"></span>Unreal page numbers from PubMed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed-20241002042700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Unreal page numbers from PubMed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc3s5h-20241002042700-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jc3s5h" title="User:Jc3s5h">Jc3s5h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jc3s5h" title="User talk:Jc3s5h">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Jc3s5h-20241002042700-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc3s5h-20241002042700-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc3s5h-20241002042700-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20241002054300-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>numbers that are not page numbers are cited as page numbers</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>The publication described on the "link showing what happens" line does not appear to use page numbers so no page number should be reported.</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States&diff=1248756987&oldid=1248584828#cite_note-h933-163">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States&diff=1248756987&oldid=1248584828#cite_note-h933-163</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>That's an article number and should be formatted using <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|article-number=</code> instead of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|pages=</code>. See <a href="#Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number">§ Added page parameter when it should be article-number</a>, above. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20241002054300-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20241002054300-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20241002054300-Unreal_page_numbers_from_PubMed"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef" data-mw-thread-id="h-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef-20240926071700"><span id="Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number.2C_based_upon_CrossRef"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef-20240926071700"></span>Added page parameter when it should be article-number, based upon CrossRef<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef-20240926071700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Added page parameter when it should be article-number, based upon CrossRef"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20240926071700-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20240926071700-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20240926071700-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20240926071700-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241008142000-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>In an earlier version of <a href="/wiki/Quasicrystal" title="Quasicrystal">quasicrystal</a>, reference [42] Paßens et al (<i>Nature Communications</i>) had <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|pages=15367</code> (obviously incorrect). Using AWB, a week or so ago, <a href="/wiki/User:Srich32977" title="User:Srich32977">User:Srich32977</a> made it worse by changing this to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|📃=15367</code> causing an invalid parameter error. Then in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1246321827" title="Special:Diff/1246321827">Special:Diff/1246321827</a>, Citation bot noticed the missing parameter and added <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|page=15367</code>, better than before but still not correct. In this instance, 15367 is an article number, not a page number, so it should have been <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|article-number=15367</code>. (Citation bot left Srich32977's garbage parameter in place but I do not think that is a bug.)</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> Thank you for this example. Unlike many of the other ones, this one actually has the article number as an article and not just a page in CrossRef. I now have an example to work with. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241008142000-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241008142000-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241008142000-Added_page_parameter_when_it_should_be_article-number,_based_upon_CrossRef"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:COSMETICBOT" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:COSMETICBOT-20241108214300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:COSMETICBOT-20241108214300"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COSMETICBOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COSMETICBOT">WP:COSMETICBOT</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:COSMETICBOT-20241108214300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: WP:COSMETICBOT"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20241108214300-WP:COSMETICBOT"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-David_Eppstein-20241108214300-WP:COSMETICBOT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20241108214300-WP:COSMETICBOT"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20241108214300-WP:COSMETICBOT"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>What happens</dt> <dd>In <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1256146187" title="Special:Diff/1256146187">Special:Diff/1256146187</a> the only change is to alter a double-spaced period in a reference title to a single-spaced period, something that makes no difference in the final rendered appearance.</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>Not that.</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removes_page_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removes_page_link-20241107101600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removes_page_link-20241107101600"></span>Removes page link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removes_page_link-20241107101600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Removes page link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Macrakis-20241111203900-Removes_page_link"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Macrakis" title="User:Macrakis">Macrakis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macrakis" title="User talk:Macrakis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Macrakis-20241111203900-Removes_page_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Macrakis-20241111203900-Removes_page_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Macrakis-20241111203900-Removes_page_link"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500-Removes_page_link"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>Citation bot rewrites Google books link so that it no longer links directly to the appropriate page.</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel-Philippe_Bouvart&diff=prev&oldid=1255906763">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel-Philippe_Bouvart&diff=prev&oldid=1255906763</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p><p>This is a duplicate of the above. Are you sure that the search is not displayed on the same page, instead of a javascript overlay. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500-Removes_page_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500-Removes_page_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500-Removes_page_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Macrakis-20241111212900-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500"></span>Not sure what you mean by "search is not displayed on the same page". Using the link in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel-Philippe_Bouvart&oldid=1253767438">the old version</a>, namely <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dans_les_coulisses_de_l_histoire/nbBLAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22d%C3%A9p%C3%AAchez-vous+pendant+qu%E2%80%99elle+gu%C3%A9rit%22+-terray&dq=%22d%C3%A9p%C3%AAchez-vous+pendant+qu%E2%80%99elle+gu%C3%A9rit%22+-terray&printsec=frontcover">[3]</a>, the quotation "dépêche-vous..." appears at the top of the Google Books page. But using the link in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel-Philippe_Bouvart&direction=next&oldid=1253767438">this version</a>, as revised by Citation bot, namely <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=nbBLAAAAMAAJ&q=%22d%C3%A9p%C3%AAchez-vous+pendant+qu%E2%80%99elle+gu%C3%A9rit%22+-terray">[4]</a>, the overview page of the book is shown, not the page with the quote. Tested in Chrome 130.0.6723.117 (on x86_64 MacOS), Firefox 131.0.2, and Safari 18.1 (19619.2.8.111.5, 19619). --<a href="/wiki/User:Macrakis" title="User:Macrakis">Macrakis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macrakis" title="User talk:Macrakis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Macrakis-20241111212900-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Macrakis-20241111212900-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Macrakis-20241111212900-AManWithNoPlan-20241111204500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100-Macrakis-20241111212900"></span>Please check in incognito mode. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100-Macrakis-20241111212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100-Macrakis-20241111212900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100-Macrakis-20241111212900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Macrakis-20241112162100-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100"></span>Thanks for the ida. I checked in incognito mode in Chrome. The edited link now does show the quotation, though in a different place on the page. The reason appears to be that in incognito, I'm using the default Google Books, while in logged-in mode, I'm using the new Google Books interface. Shouldn't Citation bot work with both the new and the old Google Books? --<a href="/wiki/User:Macrakis" title="User:Macrakis">Macrakis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macrakis" title="User talk:Macrakis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Macrakis-20241112162100-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Macrakis-20241112162100-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Macrakis-20241112162100-AManWithNoPlan-20241111231100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112222700-Macrakis-20241112162100"></span>The reality is the old google books is much more likely to work for people. The new format is dependent upon javascript while the old version is not. Google needs to figure this out. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112222700-Macrakis-20241112162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112222700-Macrakis-20241112162100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241112222700-Macrakis-20241112162100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20241107101600-Removes_page_link"></span> For some reason this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=1NdOAAAAYAAJ&q=seiren">link</a> doesn't open a page on Google Books, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/JTN/1NdOAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=seiren">this</a> one does. Citation bot will change the latter to the former, and say it is anonymizing links. Any way we can get it to keep the bsq though? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Andrevan-20241107101600-Removes_page_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20241107101600-Removes_page_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20241107101600-Removes_page_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300-Andrevan-20241107101600"></span>Not sure what your issues are, but they work for me. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300-Andrevan-20241107101600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300-Andrevan-20241107101600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300-Andrevan-20241107101600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20241107194300-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300"></span>In the first link, there's no page opened with the query. While the latter does. I tried in an incognito too and same thing. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Andrevan-20241107194300-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20241107194300-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20241107194300-AManWithNoPlan-20241107171300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20241109003500-Andrevan-20241107194300"></span>I can confirm the reported behaviour here. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20241109003500-Andrevan-20241107194300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20241109003500-Andrevan-20241107194300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20241109003500-Andrevan-20241107194300"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/JTN/1NdOAAAAYAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=seiren"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20241109054200-Headbomb-20241109003500"></span>[5]</a> also works, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/JTN/1NdOAAAAYAAJ?gbpv=1&q=seiren">[6]</a> doesn't. Removing the hl=en I suppose is anonymization, but can it just leave the bsq and the gbpv, and I guess it would have to also not shorten the URL as it does? <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=1NdOAAAAYAAJ&gbpv=1&bsq=seiren">[7]</a> doesn't work either. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Andrevan-20241109054200-Headbomb-20241109003500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20241109054200-Headbomb-20241109003500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20241109054200-Headbomb-20241109003500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241109172900-Andrevan-20241109054200"></span>The new google books url requires javascript to display anything and it dynamically generated. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241109172900-Andrevan-20241109054200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241109172900-Andrevan-20241109054200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241109172900-Andrevan-20241109054200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">_last\/first-20241115162100","replies":["c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first","c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first-1"],"text":"author\/first --> last\/first","linkableTitle":"author\/first --> last\/first"}--><h2 id="author/first_-->_last/first" data-mw-thread-id="h-author/first_-->_last/first-20241115162100"><span id="author.2Ffirst_--.3E_last.2Ffirst"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-author/first_-->_last/first-20241115162100"></span>author/first --> last/first<span data-mw-comment-end="h-author/first_-->_last/first-20241115162100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: author/first --> last/first"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span>_last\/first-20241115162100","replies":["c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first","c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first-1"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">_last\/first","timestamp":"20241115162100"}__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">_last\/first-20241115162100","replies":["c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first","c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author\/first_-->_last\/first-1"],"text":"author\/first --> last\/first","linkableTitle":"author\/first --> last\/first"}--></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd> <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span>_last\/first","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first-1"></span>What should happen</dt> <dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zappas_Olympics&diff=prev&oldid=1257568538">[8]</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> Same for author2/first2 --> last2/first2. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span>_last\/first-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20241115162100-author/first_-->_last/first-1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="web_vs_book" data-mw-thread-id="h-web_vs_book-20241116020700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-web_vs_book-20241116020700"></span>web vs book<span data-mw-comment-end="h-web_vs_book-20241116020700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: web vs book"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MtBotany-20241116020700-web_vs_book"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">🌿<span style="color:#254c00">Mt</span><span style="color:#326500">B</span><span style="color:#3e7e00">o</span><span style="color:#4a9700">t</span><span style="color:#57b000">a</span><span style="color:#63ca00">n</span><span style="color:#70e300">y</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBotany" title="User talk:MtBotany">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-MtBotany-20241116020700-web_vs_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MtBotany-20241116020700-web_vs_book"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MtBotany-20241116020700-web_vs_book"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241120141400-web_vs_book"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>The bot reformatted citations to a website that has ISBN and OCLC numbers due to being derived from a volume of a book series.</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penstemon_crandallii&oldid=1256314002">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penstemon_crandallii&oldid=1256314002</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>This is the same issue as <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Changing_every_citation_of_a_publisher's_webpage_to_Cite_book">§ Changing every citation of a publisher's webpage to Cite book</a> above (September 2023), <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_39#Causing_template_errors" title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39 § Causing template errors</a> (November 2023), <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_39#A_class_of_new(?)_errors" title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39 § A class of new(?) errors</a> (November 2023), <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_39#Introduces_ref_error_when_citing_Penguin_publisher_website" title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 39 § Introduces ref error when citing Penguin publisher website</a> (May 2024), etc. I believe most of the cases that cause template errors have been fixed this year, but the underlying behaviour has not. Maybe this exact class of parameters wasn't addressed because it includes both <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|website=</code> and <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|page=</code>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>TBH Citation bot is such a popular and high-volume tool that it might actually be worth holding a centralised discussion about whether this functionality is desired instead of having the same conversation here every few months. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241120141400-web_vs_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241120141400-web_vs_book"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241120141400-web_vs_book"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wrong_parameter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wrong_parameter-20241119035400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wrong_parameter-20241119035400"></span>Wrong parameter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wrong_parameter-20241119035400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Wrong parameter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:4TheWynne" title="User:4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B"><b>4TheWynne</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:4TheWynne#top" title="User talk:4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B">(talk</span></a> <span style="color:#00008B">•</span> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/4TheWynne" title="Special:Contributions/4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B">contribs)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter-1"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>Bot keeps changing parameter from 'publisher' to 'work' for <a href="/wiki/Fox_Sports_(Australia)" title="Fox Sports (Australia)">Fox Sports</a> sources when it shouldn't</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_AFL_season&diff=1258244185&oldid=1257987238">Diff</a> (one of many examples)</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> Hey there – just reaching out regarding something that's been annoying to deal with for a bit, and that's when the bot changes the 'publisher' paramater to 'work' for <a href="/wiki/Fox_Sports_(Australia)" title="Fox Sports (Australia)">Fox Sports</a> sources, even though it's treated the same as <a href="/wiki/ABC_News_(Australia)" title="ABC News (Australia)">ABC News</a>, <a href="/wiki/Seven_News" title="Seven News">Seven News</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nine%27s_Wide_World_of_Sports" title="Nine's Wide World of Sports">Nine's Wide World of Sports</a>, <a href="/wiki/ESPN" title="ESPN">ESPN</a>, etc., all of which use 'publisher'; thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:4TheWynne" title="User:4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B"><b>4TheWynne</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:4TheWynne#top" title="User talk:4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B">(talk</span></a> <span style="color:#00008B">•</span> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/4TheWynne" title="Special:Contributions/4TheWynne"><span style="color:#00008B">contribs)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4TheWynne-20241119035400-Wrong_parameter-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMF-20241119174500-4TheWynne-20241119035400"></span>Maybe it is the others that are wrong. Am I correct to believe that <a href="/wiki/News_International" class="mw-redirect" title="News International">News International</a> is the publisher of Fox Sports? So who is <i>really</i> the publisher of each of the other channels you mention? And who cares? That's why "work=" is the safer option. --<a href="/wiki/User:JMF" title="User:JMF">𝕁𝕄𝔽</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMF" title="User talk:JMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-JMF-20241119174500-4TheWynne-20241119035400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMF-20241119174500-4TheWynne-20241119035400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMF-20241119174500-4TheWynne-20241119035400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-20241120092300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-20241120092300"></span>Bot gives webpages wrong date<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-20241120092300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Bot gives webpages wrong date"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date"></span>Status</dt> <dd>new bug</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User:Caeciliusinhorto-public">Caeciliusinhorto-public</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-1"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>The bot reads the date of an artwork in an online collection catalogue as the date of the webpage (wrongly, in this case!)</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>Bot should realise that no website was published in 150 AD. Suggest a sanity check whereby the bot does not date something using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to before, say, 1990.</dd> <dt>Relevant diffs/links</dt> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venus_de_Milo&diff=prev&oldid=1258475029">diff</a>; <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010277627#">webpage</a></dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p><p>Not quite sure where the bot is getting its date from, but my best guess is <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced"><div class="notice__date"> <span> -150 / -125 (3e quart IIe s. av. J.-C.) </span> </div></span> is being read as the date of the webpage. In addition to the fact that clearly no website was published in 150, if this is the case the bot is just taking the first number it finds in a date range which is also not ideal, and missing the fact that "-150" actually means 150 BC, not 150 AD. <a href="/wiki/User:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User:Caeciliusinhorto-public">Caeciliusinhorto-public</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300-Bot_gives_webpages_wrong_date-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Xm9puxqjyrpagzzw#flow-post-xmdynkcb8x98kigk" class="extiw" title="mw:Topic:Xm9puxqjyrpagzzw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241120135500-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300"></span>I like that suggested sanity check</a>. The pre-Internet <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">Cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|date=</code> thing should probably also generate a maintenance message from <a href="/wiki/Module:CS1" class="mw-redirect" title="Module:CS1">Module:CS1</a>. There will likely be tons of false positives due to using the wrong template type though. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241120135500-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241120135500-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241120135500-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241120092300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180400-Folly_Mox-20241120135500"></span>I have added collections.louvre.fr to the list of websites that do not have dates. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180400-Folly_Mox-20241120135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180400-Folly_Mox-20241120135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180400-Folly_Mox-20241120135500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping" data-mw-thread-id="h-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping-20241120184000"><span id="Changing_google_books_top-level_domain.3B_.22Citation_bot_bypass.22_not_helping"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping-20241120184000"></span>Changing google books top-level domain; "Citation bot bypass" not helping<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping-20241120184000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Changing google books top-level domain; "Citation bot bypass" not helping"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241120184000-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span>Citation bot is still changing the google books top-level domain (TLD), such as books.google.it being changed to books.google.com. I thought this issue had been fixed since a 2020 report said it was; see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_20#Google_books_top_domain" title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 20">User talk:Citation bot/Archive 20 § Google books top domain</a>. I had tested it <a href="/wiki/Talk:Estonian_Native_horse#bots-deny" title="Talk:Estonian Native horse">last month</a> (and again today) on <a href="/wiki/Estonian_Native_horse" title="Estonian Native horse">Estonian Native horse</a> (non-CS1 format) with no changes made by Citation bot. However, I <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258618107" title="Special:Diff/1258618107">ran it today</a> on <a href="/wiki/Bashkir_horse" title="Bashkir horse">Bashkir horse</a> and it changed the TLD on the same citation URL (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.it/books?id=2UEJDAAAQBAJ&hl=en">https://books.google.it/books?id=2UEJDAAAQBAJ&hl=en</a>) but this time using CS1 format <i>and</i> including  per the instructions. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> 18:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC) It also did it here: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Warmblood&diff=prev&oldid=1255563674">[9]</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241120184000-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241120184000-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241120184000-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900-Grorp-20241120184000"></span>this is <b>not a bug</b>. This has been discussed multiple times. Google book URLs should be .com, unless you have a very good reason otherwise. Also, you did the bypass wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900-Grorp-20241120184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900-Grorp-20241120184000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900-Grorp-20241120184000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241120235300-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a>:</span> That is good news (to me). I'm being stymied by someone who insists on using books.google.it then adding {{bots|deny=Citation bot}} in order to keep their preferred top-level domain. Despite multiple tries, they have <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers#Denying_access_for_Citation_bot" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">refused to discuss it</a>, insist I <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258627812" title="Special:Diff/1258627812">"first change consensus"</a>, and have been reverting my edits where I removed {{bots|deny=Citation bot}} and/or replaced it with a citation using  (which I thought I had used correctly per the instructions, and cannot find the mistake you hint at). In March 2023 they complained on an <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot/Archive_34#I_applaud_the_trimming_of_unnecessary_fields_from_Google_Books_links." title="User talk:Citation bot/Archive 34">Archive 34 thread</a> where you also marked it "not a bug", but then they started to add the {{bots|deny=Citation bot}} to <a class="external text" href="https://sigma.toolforge.org/summary.py?name=Justlettersandnumbers&search=bots&server=enwiki&max=500&ns=%2C%2C&enddate=&startdate=&nosect=on">every single article</a> they have edited where they added a google books link (and always to books.google.it). Though I don't care if they use books.google.it, I do care about them denying Citation bot for entire articles with no reasonable basis for doing so. I'm at a loss on how to proceed. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241120235300-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241120235300-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241120235300-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241121185500-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span>I'm not seeing the syntax error in the citation bypass either: the html comment is between the template name and the pipe for the first parameter. It looks just like <a href="/wiki/User:Citation_bot#Stopping_the_bot_from_editing" title="User:Citation bot">the documentation</a>. What are we missing? <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241121185500-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241121185500-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241121185500-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241121220200-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a>:</span> Hello??? <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241121220200-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241121220200-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241121220200-AManWithNoPlan-20241120221900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400-Grorp-20241121220200"></span>The documentation states that you put a comment next to the item you do not want changed. So, if you do not want the URL changed, then you put it next to the URL. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400-Grorp-20241121220200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400-Grorp-20241121220200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400-Grorp-20241121220200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241122174800-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"></span>Does "next to" mean in front of the value, or after the value? Let me get this straight... you've suggested I <i>should have</i> used the inadequately-described option #3 from the documentation, while implying that the clearly-described option #2 which I used doesn't work? <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">2. To prevent Citation bot from editing a specific citation, add a comment to the citation template before the first <code>|</code>, such as {{cite journal  |last=Smith |first=John |year=2018 |...}}</q> Please change documentation for option #3 to include what one <i>should</i> do in the case of CB <i>modifying</i> a parameter with a value (currently it only describes how to use it when a parament value is absent and CB is adding an incorrect value). Also, please consider this my bug report for option#2 not working as described. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241122174800-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241122174800-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241122174800-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185300-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"></span>I'm hoping the option to skip the whole citation can be restored. It's a nice middle ground between "don't change this one specific value" and "never edit this article again". I use this rather frequently when I'm fixing a citation where Citation bot had previously introduced an error, often because it clearly didn't understand the first time round and I'm not sure exactly how it will damage my repair if it's run on the same article again. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241122185300-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185300-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185300-AManWithNoPlan-20241122134400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185500-Folly_Mox-20241122185300"></span>Or if I just don't want it to change the template type back to an erroneous one. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Folly_Mox-20241122185500-Folly_Mox-20241122185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185500-Folly_Mox-20241122185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241122185500-Folly_Mox-20241122185300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241122203400-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span>Pinging <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a>:</span> to this thread. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241122203400-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241122203400-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241122203400-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241123165900-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span>I restored this thread from archive for the second time. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a>:</span> Please answer my question to clarify what you meant by "next to". <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a>:</span> You reverted my edit to the documentation on the main page without attempting to clarify the issue. One of you two, or anyone else, please clarify how to correctly use option #3. Also, it is apparent that option #2 is broken. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241123165900-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241123165900-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241123165900-Changing_google_books_top-level_domain;_"Citation_bot_bypass"_not_helping"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20241123170000-Grorp-20241123165900"></span>Your edit made things less clear. So it was reverted. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Headbomb-20241123170000-Grorp-20241123165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20241123170000-Grorp-20241123165900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20241123170000-Grorp-20241123165900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241123171700-Headbomb-20241123170000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a>:</span> The documentation for option #3 only shows as an example how to put a comment in a <i>blank</i> parameter that Citation bot is incorrectly <i>adding</i>. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a></span>, above, alludes to my usage of option #2 as faulty and tells me I 'did it wrong', confusingly referring to option #3 and [ambiguously] stating I needed to put the comment "next to" the parameter. The documentation doesn't say where "next to" (before or after a parameter value?), nor has he answered my request to clarify what he meant. The original objective was to block Citation bot from altering a stated URL. I wanted Citation bot to bypass the citation entirely, but Citation bot continues to modify the URL despite my use of option #2. Now I know <i>you</i> think the documentation was already clear (it wasn't), and that my edit to remove "modify" to option #3 is less clear (I read your revert edit summary yesterday), however, reverting my edit doesn't contribute to clarifying what to do if a parameter value is specified that one wants to be untouched by Citation bot. My edit summary should have given you notice that for a reader, at least this one, the documentation was not clear... and it was an invitation for you to make it more clear (which you didn't do). All I want is for someone to fix option #2 or, failing that, someone to clarify how to use option #3. That shouldn't be so difficult. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241123171700-Headbomb-20241123170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241123171700-Headbomb-20241123170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241123171700-Headbomb-20241123170000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000-Grorp-20241123171700"></span>The docs are updated. Not sure who/when they were changed to something wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000-Grorp-20241123171700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000-Grorp-20241123171700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000-Grorp-20241123171700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241123182500-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000"></span>Well, that clarifies why option #2 wasn't the correct choice for me to use. Thank you for updating option #2 documentation. Extrapolating from that, I might imagine for option #3 that I would put the parameter value <i>after</i> the comment? Example, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239334494">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}</style><span class="tmp-color" style="color:red">|url =  http://books.google.it/gobbledegook</span></dd> <dd>Like that? <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Grorp-20241123182500-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241123182500-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241123182500-AManWithNoPlan-20241123180000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again-20241122134900"><span id="Bot_not.2Fslow_on_processing_pages_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again-20241122134900"></span>Bot not/slow on processing pages again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again-20241122134900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Bot not/slow on processing pages again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spinixster-20241122134900-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again"></span>As the title says. The website isn't registering my submitted pages/categories or is slow on them. The last time this happened, it required a few reboots to fix (see section "Slow" in recent talk archive) so I assume another reboot is needed? <a href="/wiki/User:Spinixster" title="User:Spinixster"><span style="color: #b22e3e; font-family: Elephant;">Spinixster</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinixster" title="User talk:Spinixster"><span style="color: #b22e3e; font-size: 9pt;"><i>(trout me!)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Spinixster-20241122134900-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spinixster-20241122134900-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spinixster-20241122134900-Bot_not/slow_on_processing_pages_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000-Spinixster-20241122134900"></span>It seems to have rebooted itself. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000-Spinixster-20241122134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000-Spinixster-20241122134900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000-Spinixster-20241122134900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123163000-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Fixed</b> bug that was causing this. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123163000-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123163000-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123163000-AManWithNoPlan-20241122142000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot-20241123000500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot-20241123000500"></span>Another page that breaks Citation Bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot-20241123000500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Another page that breaks Citation Bot"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#ccc; border-color:cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jay8g-20241123000500-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot"></span>Status</dt> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Fixed</b></dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><b>:Jay8g</b> <small>[<a href="/wiki/User:Jay8g" title="User:Jay8g">V</a>•<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jay8g" title="User talk:Jay8g">T</a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jay8g" title="Special:Contributions/Jay8g">E</a>]</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Jay8g-20241123000500-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jay8g-20241123000500-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jay8g-20241123000500-Another_page_that_breaks_Citation_Bot"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>What happens</dt> <dd>Citation Bot ends up in an infinite loop on <a href="/wiki/Draft:Ray%27s_Disease" title="Draft:Ray's Disease">Draft:Ray's Disease</a>, seemingly trying to convert work to journal and back again.</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning" data-mw-thread-id="h-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning-20241123025700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning-20241123025700"></span>Existing-big-run blocking is malfunctioning<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning-20241123025700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Existing-big-run blocking is malfunctioning"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="clear: both; margin: 1em 0 0 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 1em; background-color:#ccc; border-color:cde"> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whoop_whoop_pull_up-20241123025700-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"></span>Status</dt> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Fixed</b> - moved back to 50</dd> <dt>Reported by</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Whoop_whoop_pull_up" title="User:Whoop whoop pull up">Whoop whoop pull up</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whoop_whoop_pull_up" title="User talk:Whoop whoop pull up">Bitching Betty</a> 🏳️‍⚧️ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whoop_whoop_pull_up" title="Special:Contributions/Whoop whoop pull up">Averted crashes</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Whoop_whoop_pull_up-20241123025700-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whoop_whoop_pull_up-20241123025700-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whoop_whoop_pull_up-20241123025700-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123155000-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"></span>What happens</dt> <dd>When attempting to run the bot on <a href="/wiki/Category:Cynometra" title="Category:Cynometra">Category:Cynometra</a>, it spat out a "Run blocked by your existing big run" error, even though this category contains only 28 pages, far below the 50-page cutoff beyond which attempted runs will be blocked by a preexisting 50-page-or-more run.</dd> <dt>What should happen</dt> <dd>The bot should've run on the inputted category without complaint.</dd> <dt>Replication instructions</dt> <dd>Try to start a run with a number of pages somewhere in the 30s-40s range while you already have a run with 50 or more pages in progress.</dd> <dt>We can't proceed until</dt> <dd>Feedback from maintainers</dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> It is now 5. Might increase back up. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123155000-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123155000-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123155000-Existing-big-run_blocking_is_malfunctioning"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki-20240927113000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki-20240927113000"></span>Citation bot for mk.wiki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki-20240927113000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Citation bot for mk.wiki"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki"></span>Hello Smith. I am a bureaucrat on mk.wiki and a fellow editor suggested that I should ask you whether the Wikipedia citation bot can be used for our wiki (i.e. whether mk.wiki can be included in the "Wiki to run on". We invariably use English parameters in all our citation templates and we are wondering if we can make use of this excellent tool, if our wiki is enabled for it. Thanks a lot! <a href="/wiki/User:Bjankuloski06" title="User:Bjankuloski06">B. Jankuloski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bjankuloski06" title="User talk:Bjankuloski06">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000-Citation_bot_for_mk.wiki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000"></span>This is now in the bot code, but someone with POWER needs to create the account and give it the bot flag. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Bjankuloski06-20240927113000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org" data-mw-thread-id="h-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org-20240204205000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org-20240204205000"></span>Running Citation bot on MDWiki.org<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org-20240204205000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Running Citation bot on MDWiki.org"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-20240204205000-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org"></span>Wondering if you would be willing to run the citation bot on MDWiki.org? Best <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-Doc_James-20240204205000-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-20240204205000-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-20240204205000-Running_Citation_bot_on_MDWiki.org"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Doc_James-20240204205000"></span>This is now in the bot code, but someone with POWER needs to create the account and give it the bot flag. <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">AManWithNoPlan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AManWithNoPlan" title="User talk:AManWithNoPlan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Citation_bot#c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Doc_James-20240204205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Doc_James-20240204205000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AManWithNoPlan-20241123173100-Doc_James-20240204205000"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&oldid=1259160300">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Citation_bot&oldid=1259160300</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 November 2024, at 18:25<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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