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class="toctext">fix up</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#The_%22for_more_information%22_links"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">The "for more information" links</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Comma_Suggestion"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Comma Suggestion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Image"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Image</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Vector_2022"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Vector 2022</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Standard_Sections"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Standard Sections</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="possible_images_for_the_intro" data-mw-thread-id="h-possible_images_for_the_intro-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-possible_images_for_the_intro-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z"></span>possible images for the intro<span data-mw-comment-end="h-possible_images_for_the_intro-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-24' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon 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id="c-James123456james-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z-possible_images_for_the_intro"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Medieval_writing_desk.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Medieval_writing_desk.jpg/220px-Medieval_writing_desk.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="220" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1352" data-file-height="1354"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 220px;height: 220px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Medieval_writing_desk.jpg/220px-Medieval_writing_desk.jpg" data-width="220" data-height="220" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Medieval_writing_desk.jpg/330px-Medieval_writing_desk.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Medieval_writing_desk.jpg/440px-Medieval_writing_desk.jpg 2x" 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Max_Liebermann_Die_Enkelin_beim_Schreiben.jpg/440px-Max_Liebermann_Die_Enkelin_beim_Schreiben.jpg 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:So_many_words.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/So_many_words.jpg/220px-So_many_words.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1152" data-file-height="864"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 220px;height: 165px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/So_many_words.jpg/220px-So_many_words.jpg" data-width="220" data-height="165" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/So_many_words.jpg/330px-So_many_words.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/So_many_words.jpg/440px-So_many_words.jpg 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Accident_warning.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Accident_warning.jpg/340px-Accident_warning.jpg" decoding="async" width="340" height="210" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="2941" data-file-height="1816"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 340px;height: 210px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Accident_warning.jpg/340px-Accident_warning.jpg" data-width="340" data-height="210" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Accident_warning.jpg/510px-Accident_warning.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Accident_warning.jpg/680px-Accident_warning.jpg 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption>"Ministry of Works" says it all! You wonder whether ten words could be six: which four could be removed to make the sign more direct and the font-size bigger?</figcaption></figure> <p>Warning.Visitors must take Maximum Care to Avoid Accidents <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:James123456james&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:James123456james (page does not exist)">James123456james</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:James123456james&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:James123456james (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-James123456james-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z-possible_images_for_the_intro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-James123456james-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z-possible_images_for_the_intro"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-James123456james-2019-08-15T15:04:00.000Z-possible_images_for_the_intro"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="fix_up" data-mw-thread-id="h-fix_up-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-fix_up-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z"></span>fix up<span data-mw-comment-end="h-fix_up-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-25' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Anilsahil88-2019-02-15T01:59:00.000Z-fix_up">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z-fix_up"></span>Just saw a request at the help desk wondering why no examples of how to link, how to add image or how to make refs etc.... I will try and clean this latter this week.--<a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z-fix_up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z-fix_up"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z-fix_up"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evolution_and_evolvability-2018-01-30T14:54:00.000Z-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a>:</span> I've also been thinking about the possibility of adding in a section bellow each page with an example / exercise for each of these pages, a bit like a very short version of <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1/Build_your_linking_skills" title="User:Tony1/Build your linking skills">Tony1's exercises</a>. See an <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Evolution_and_evolvability/sandbox&oldid=823146612">example mockup here</a>. The details of how to implement the stylistic recommendations should probably be kept in the (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_editing_with_VisualEditor/3" title="Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/3">linking</a>) to avoid repetition. <a href="/wiki/User:Evolution_and_evolvability" title="User:Evolution and evolvability">T.Shafee(Evo<small>&</small>Evo)</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability" title="User talk:Evolution and evolvability">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Evolution_and_evolvability-2018-01-30T14:54:00.000Z-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evolution_and_evolvability-2018-01-30T14:54:00.000Z-Moxy-2018-01-30T12:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget 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href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anilsahil88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anilsahil88 (page does not exist)">Anilsahil88</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anilsahil88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Anilsahil88 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Anilsahil88-2019-02-15T01:59:00.000Z-fix_up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anilsahil88-2019-02-15T01:59:00.000Z-fix_up"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anilsahil88-2019-02-15T01:59:00.000Z-fix_up"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id='The_"for_more_information"_links' data-mw-thread-id='h-The_"for_more_information"_links-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z'><span id="The_.22for_more_information.22_links"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='h-The_"for_more_information"_links-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z'></span>The "for more information" links<span data-mw-comment-end='h-The_"for_more_information"_links-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z'></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-26' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T03:38:00.000Z-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z-The_"for_more_information"_links'></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>:</span> re <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/5&type=revision&diff=954880971&oldid=942702498&diffmode=source">this edit</a>, I wonder if there might be a better way to provide links to the FMI pages than just adding them as another sentence? I'm not sure exactly what would be best, though. Thanks for going through all these pages! <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z-The_%22for_more_information%22_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 4 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z-The_"for_more_information"_links'><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z-The_"for_more_information"_links'></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z"></span>You could also introduce each excerpt with a link to the MOS section, like this:</dd> <dd></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/MOS:RECENTLY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:RECENTLY">MOS:RECENTLY</a>: Avoid phrases that will go out of date with time (e.g. <span class="example deprecated-content example-bad" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">recently</span>).</dd> <dd></dd> <dd>I don't know if that's better. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T19:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, hmm, I'll mull on it for a bit. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-04T22:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>:</span> I ended up borrowing from the shortcut box format to create a "further info" box. Required creating a new module, but appears to work. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-04T23:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z"></span>Wait, I just noticed the redirects don't fully go through; asking for help with that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_6#Module:Shortcut/policy" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 May 6">here</a>. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T22:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z"></span>The shortcut template appears to be displaying the number of shortcuts in each box directly under the section header (to the left of each box). – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-06T23:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>:</span> Yeah, I noticed that, too. Something about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AShortcut%2Ffurther&type=revision&diff=955283663&oldid=955275871">this edit</a> (which fixed the redirect issue) caused it. If it's a simple fix, go for it, but otherwise I'm okay leaving it for a few days; it's only minimally disruptive and it'll presumably be resolved when <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a> merges the templates (assuming <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_6#Module:Shortcut/policy" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 May 6">this</a> closes successfully). <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T00:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span><b> Fixed</b> Sorry, my bad, I fell for a bizarre quirk in the way modules are implemented. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z-Sdkb-2020-05-07T02:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T03:38:00.000Z-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z"></span>Nicely done. It's much better than the way I did it. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T03:38:00.000Z-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T03:38:00.000Z-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-07T03:38:00.000Z-Pppery-2020-05-07T02:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Comma_Suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comma_Suggestion-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comma_Suggestion-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Comma Suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comma_Suggestion-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-27' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Amarata_Raj-2020-08-04T14:37:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><p><span class="monospaced">"<a href="/wiki/Herbal_tea" title="Herbal tea">Herbal teas</a> are not made from the leaves of the tea plant, <i><a href="/wiki/Camellia_sinensis" title="Camellia sinensis">Camellia sinensis</a></i>. Therefore, they are not technically teas, they are tisanes."</span></p></blockquote> <p>I know that the errors are there on purpose, but shouldn't the comma in the first sentence be removed? The solution addresses only the error in the second sentence. </p><p>This is about the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/Manual_of_Style_quiz&oldid=965162708">Manual of Style quiz</a>.—<a href="/wiki/User:Fezzy1347" title="User:Fezzy1347">Fezzy1347</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fezzy1347" title="User talk:Fezzy1347">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Fezzy1347" title="User:Fezzy1347"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2020-07-03T23:52:00.000Z-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Fezzy1347</a>, thanks for checking out the quiz! I think the comma in the first sentence is correct, since Camellia sinensis is <i>the</i> tea plant, whereas writing <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Herbal teas are not made from the leaves of the tea plant Camellia sinensis</q> would imply that Camellia sinensis is only one of a number of possible tea plants. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2020-07-03T23:52:00.000Z-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2020-07-03T23:52:00.000Z-Fezzy1347-2020-07-03T23:05:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="new" title="User talk:Amarata Raj (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Amarata_Raj-2020-08-04T14:37:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amarata_Raj-2020-08-04T14:37:00.000Z-Comma_Suggestion"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share 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data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T20:31:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z-Image"></span>I find the image size of the example article far too small to be functional. Can it somehow be enlarged? <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1"><b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tony1" title="User talk:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z-Image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z-Image"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z-Image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z"></span>I agree completely. I came to this page to say exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it. Unfortunately, I see it's a year later, and nobody fixed the issue, or even bothered to respond to your request to–<i>at the very least</i>–say "it can't be done." Not only that, any newcomers trying to bring up this very same issue cannot do so, because this talk page is semi-protected. Not a great start for people new to Wikipedia to be shown a basically useless image when they click on it, and then can't suggest an improvement here. I'd make a replacement screenshot myself, but the resolution on this aging laptop I'm using is unlikely to produce a usable image. Maybe a Wikipedian with a nice monitor, especially one that can tilt in portrait mode, could take a representative screenshot of an article, and replace (overlay) the existing way-too-small image? If so, please include all the standardized sections in whatever article is used for the screenshot, including the less-frequently used "Further Reading" section; I find it hard to remember exactly where it's supposed to go, and the example image left it out, I think (squinting). ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Itsfullofstars" title="User:Itsfullofstars">Itsfullofstars</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsfullofstars" title="User talk:Itsfullofstars">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-Tony1-2020-07-04T08:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1">Tony1</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:Itsfullofstars" title="User:Itsfullofstars">Itsfullofstars</a>, the file on Commons was called <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_layout_sample_medium.png" title="File:Wikipedia layout sample medium.png">File:Wikipedia layout sample medium.png</a>, and although it didn't have a link to any large version, typing in <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_layout_sample_large.png" title="File:Wikipedia layout sample large.png">File:Wikipedia layout sample large.png</a> led to a large version (yay!), which also looks to have more modern formatting, so I've switched to that.</dd> <dd>Regarding the protection, there's a link at the top to an unprotected feedback form. It's not ideal, but the protection here is unfortunately necessary to prevent a flood of spammy test edits. If it wasn't protected, myself and probably others wouldn't be willing to keep watching it, and there'd be no one to respond to posts. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the quick response. I was adding an addendum when I ran into an edit conflict. I'm going to include what I added, even though it's after-the-fact now, just to apologize for my rather abrupt tone... <dl><dd>Update (sheepishly): I used a feedback link near the top of this page to leave a message elsewhere regarding the existing image, and added more requests to better explain the standardized sections, and to include a link to <a href="/wiki/MOS:Layout" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:Layout">MOS:Layout</a>. I simply didn't notice the feedback option near the top of the page; reading too fast, I guess. My issue about newcomers not being able to edit this page is moot, since there's another way for them to provide feedback. My apologies to those who have created and maintained the tutorials for my coming here with guns a-blazing. They thought this all through, and I was in too much of a hurry to notice. Other than than the Sections page, there's nothing else to criticize. Now, allow me to slowly back out of the room, hat in hand, bowing repeatedly as I go, mumbling low apologies. – <a href="/wiki/User:Itsfullofstars" title="User:Itsfullofstars">Itsfullofstars</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsfullofstars" title="User talk:Itsfullofstars">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-08-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T20:31:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z"></span>No need to apologize! I'm glad you came here and made the suggestion—the tutorial is better now for it! I've added a link to MOS:LAYOUT as well, which is definitely an improvement. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T20:31:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T20:31:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2021-08-05T20:31:00.000Z-Itsfullofstars-2021-08-05T17:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Vector_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vector_2022-20230202105600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vector_2022-20230202105600"></span>Vector 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vector_2022-20230202105600"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-29' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Grimmchild-20230202105600-Vector_2022">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grimmchild-20230202105600-Vector_2022"></span>Now that Vector 2022 is the default, the contents is at the side; part 2 no longer makes sense. סשס <a href="/wiki/User:Grimmchild" title="User:Grimmchild"><span style="color:#600060;">Grimmchild.</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grimmchild" title="User talk:Grimmchild"> <span style="color:#600060;">He/him, probably</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-Grimmchild-20230202105600-Vector_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grimmchild-20230202105600-Vector_2022"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grimmchild-20230202105600-Vector_2022"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Standard_Sections" data-mw-thread-id="h-Standard_Sections-20240709054100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Standard_Sections-20240709054100"></span>Standard Sections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Standard_Sections-20240709054100"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-30' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-CuriousMarkE-20240709054100-Standard_Sections">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CuriousMarkE-20240709054100-Standard_Sections"></span>A brief introduction to the main standard sections relevant to many articles would be helpful. </p><p>I am particularly interested in introducing a standard ‘Lay Summary’ section. I believe this could be valuable to help non specialists get a handle on the subject. Also very helpful for inspiring briefer articles for non specialists. </p><p>Wikipedia has often been accused of bias. The bias I believe needs most attention is it is easy for specialist articles to ignore wider audiences, especially those less educated on particular subjects. </p><p>I suggest Simple English Wikipedias could be a significant beneficiary of such standardised sections and encourage those articles to cross reference to the specialist articles that they used. </p><p>A lay summary, perhaps with a note on who a lay person is assumed to be could help. </p><p>I have been inspired by medical articles in major magazines having lay summaries. </p><p>I don’t know a good way to raise this issue without getting very involved in Wikipedia and all the time and energy that involves, along with how that impacts my personal life. <a href="/wiki/User:CuriousMarkE" title="User:CuriousMarkE">CuriousMarkE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CuriousMarkE" title="User talk:CuriousMarkE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1#c-CuriousMarkE-20240709054100-Standard_Sections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CuriousMarkE-20240709054100-Standard_Sections"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CuriousMarkE-20240709054100-Standard_Sections"></span> </p>    </section></div> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=mobile" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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