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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Journalism" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Journalism">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Journalism</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Journalism</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Journalism</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Journalism</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template"></span>Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Nice template. It seems clear, NPOV, maybe a bit large on the page, but well done. I need to get into how templates like this are made. <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> 06:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Thanks! The best way to do it is to copy one: both news trade and journalism templates have edit links on them that point them to the template, in this case at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:News-trade&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:News-trade (page does not exist)">Template:News-trade</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Journalism" title="Template:Journalism">Template:Journalism</a>. The {{tag}} in the page will have the exact name minus the "Template:" prefix. -<a href="/wiki/User:Stevertigo" title="User:Stevertigo">SV</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevertigo" title="User talk:Stevertigo">t</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stevertigo&action=edit&section=new">add</a> 07:19, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>I adjusted the width a bit and think it fits better on the page, I hope you don't mind. I also added a link to <a href="/wiki/Video_news_release" title="Video news release">Video news release</a>, which is an article I put a lot of work into and one that seemed relevant to the template. <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> 00:33, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestions_for_Inclusion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"></span>Suggestions for Inclusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Suggestions for Inclusion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Creative_Nonfiction/Literary_Journalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creative_Nonfiction/Literary_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion"><span id="Creative_Nonfiction.2FLiterary_Journalism"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Creative_Nonfiction/Literary_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion"></span>Creative Nonfiction/Literary Journalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Creative_Nonfiction/Literary_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Creative Nonfiction/Literary Journalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please include <a href="/wiki/Creative_nonfiction" title="Creative nonfiction">Creative nonfiction</a> currently <a href="/wiki/Literary_journalism" class="mw-redirect" title="Literary journalism">Literary journalism</a> is redictred there and while they are not really identical, it is sufficent, for now, that one or the other be included major source of award-winning journalism. Yours, <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> 01:11, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Interactive_Journalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interactive_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interactive_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"></span>Interactive Journalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interactive_Journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Interactive Journalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ill_seletorre-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z-Interactive_Journalism"></span>This is a new field of journalism and I think it should be included in the Template. It is essentially news video games. I started an article for it. It's very rough and I plan to return to it. I'm a new contributor, not sure how to give it stub classification. Check it out: <a href="/wiki/Interactive_journalism" title="Interactive journalism">Interactive journalism</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ill_seletorre" title="User:Ill seletorre">Ill seletorre</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Ill_seletorre-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z-Interactive_Journalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ill_seletorre-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z-Interactive_Journalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ill_seletorre-2007-04-17T03:46:00.000Z-Interactive_Journalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Stringer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stringer-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stringer-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z"></span>Stringer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stringer-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Stringer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blueshango-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z-Stringer"></span>Any thoughts on adding <a href="/wiki/Stringer_(journalism)" title="Stringer (journalism)">stringer</a> to the roles list? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Blueshango" title="User:Blueshango">Blueshango</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blueshango" title="User talk:Blueshango">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Blueshango-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z-Stringer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blueshango-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z-Stringer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blueshango-2008-11-19T18:06:00.000Z-Stringer"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Analytical_journalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Analytical_journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Analytical_journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z"></span>Analytical journalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Analytical_journalism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Analytical journalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pcernuta-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z-Analytical_journalism"></span>Article under way --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pcernuta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pcernuta (page does not exist)">Pcernuta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pcernuta" title="User talk:Pcernuta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Pcernuta-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z-Analytical_journalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pcernuta-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z-Analytical_journalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pcernuta-2011-06-08T11:09:00.000Z-Analytical_journalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Journalism_culture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Journalism_culture-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Journalism_culture-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Journalism culture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Journalism_culture-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Journalism culture"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaneViolett-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z-Journalism_culture"></span>The comparative overview of world-wide <a href="/wiki/Journalism_culture" title="Journalism culture">journalism cultures</a> could be added in the first part of the box under "Journalism". Maybe below Journalism school and above Index of journalism articles. <a href="/wiki/User:JaneViolett" title="User:JaneViolett">JaneViolett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaneViolett" title="User talk:JaneViolett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-JaneViolett-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z-Journalism_culture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaneViolett-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z-Journalism_culture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaneViolett-2014-01-16T12:02:00.000Z-Journalism_culture"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Scientific_skepticism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scientific_skepticism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scientific_skepticism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span>Scientific skepticism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scientific_skepticism-Suggestions_for_Inclusion-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Scientific skepticism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rp2006-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z-Scientific_skepticism"></span>I would like to propose adding a category <a href="/wiki/Scientific_skepticism" title="Scientific skepticism">Scientific skepticism</a> to the Areas section (and maybe Genres as well?) This is a category of journalism distinct from science journalism. It concerned with topics that mainstream science does not generally address, such as UFOlogy, the paranormal and conspiracy theories, as well as countering claims of alt-medicine advocates. People in this field write for journals such as <a href="/wiki/Skeptical_Inquirer" title="Skeptical Inquirer">Skeptical Inquirer</a> and <a href="/wiki/Skeptic_(U.S._magazine)" class="mw-redirect" title="Skeptic (U.S. magazine)">Skeptic (U.S. magazine)</a>. How do I make this addition? <a href="/wiki/User:Rp2006" title="User:Rp2006">RobP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rp2006" title="User talk:Rp2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Rp2006-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z-Scientific_skepticism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rp2006-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z-Scientific_skepticism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rp2006-2019-09-10T16:16:00.000Z-Scientific_skepticism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_POV_Items,_Issues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_POV_Items,_Issues"><span id="Template_POV_Items.2C_Issues"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_POV_Items,_Issues"></span>Template POV Items, Issues<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_POV_Items,_Issues"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Template POV Items, Issues"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Issues with this template. When I first saw this it did not contain the link to a highly questionable article named "news trade," then I saw it did, or if it was there in the first place, I didn't check all the articles it linked to and then found it's path to "news trade" original research. With that link present, this template is POV and violates policy on [no original research |original research]. I strongly object to the article "news trade" and with it's inclusion on this page, I just strongly object to this template and caution any others to not make use of it, if it contains the a link to <a href="/w/index.php?title=News_Trade&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="News Trade (page does not exist)">News Trade</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> 15:45, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p><p>I disagree with the title heading "Marketing Influences" VNRs are not just marketing, but also govt. propaganda in the US, in part, so I'd like to change that to "Outside Influences" as NPOV, an alternative might be, Public Relations/Government Influences, which is way to long, etc. I don't want to be to bold on template editing, but to feel strongly that "marketing influences" doesn't do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> 01:11, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Format_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Format_question-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Format_question-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Format question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Format_question-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Format question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z-Format_question"></span>This template is looking great, I'm just wondering if it needs some kind of border, it seems to be kind of floating? Also, do you think it should have a little less width? You do such good work with the templates that I'm reluctant to add or change anything. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Calicocat-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z-Format_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z-Format_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calicocat-2005-07-23T20:40:00.000Z-Format_question"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z"><span id="Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z"></span>Can you add our Wikiprojects?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Can you add our Wikiprojects?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?"></span>We have two projects going, the journalism one and I started a media project to help me understand how to work on the journalism project. I was thinking that we should make the Journalism project a decendent of the Media Project. </p><p><b>Wikiprojects</b> </p> <ul><li><i>members needed</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Journalism" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Journalism"> Journalsim Project</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Media" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Media"> Media Project</a></li></ul> <p>I was trying to do it and I still don't get the syntax. I still don't grock how to use the template namespace or a basic html editor for simple wiki tables, etc...gree. anyway, what do you think about including them? Take care, <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:26:00.000Z-Can_you_add_our_Wikiprojects?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I'd_like_to_archive." data-mw-thread-id="h-I'd_like_to_archive.-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z"><span id="I.27d_like_to_archive."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I'd_like_to_archive.-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z"></span>I'd like to archive.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I'd_like_to_archive.-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: I'd like to archive."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z-I'd_like_to_archive."></span>Some of the past comments might be best archived since they involve expired issues we've moved well past. I'd archive up to the most recent couple of posts. <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z-I'd_like_to_archive." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z-I'd_like_to_archive."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calicocat-2005-07-28T11:33:00.000Z-I'd_like_to_archive."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Self-references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Self-references-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Self-references-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z"></span>Self-references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Self-references-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Self-references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheGrappler-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z-Self-references"></span>Remember that the template, (if used on article space,) should avoid self-references - that is intended for readers, not primarily editors. A journalism/media template could be made to apply in relevant talk pages, that could legitimately contain reference to WikiProjects and recruiting for them. <a href="/wiki/User:TheGrappler" title="User:TheGrappler">TheGrappler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-TheGrappler-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z-Self-references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheGrappler-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z-Self-references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheGrappler-2006-05-02T21:08:00.000Z-Self-references"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_format,_order_of_items" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_format,_order_of_items-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z"><span id="Template_format.2C_order_of_items"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_format,_order_of_items-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z"></span>Template format, order of items<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_format,_order_of_items-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Template format, order of items"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calicocat-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z-Template_format,_order_of_items"></span>I like the template and find it useful, however, the use of the ampersands disturbes me. I'd rather suggest that the template items be placed in a more logical alphabetical order with some uniform character seperating the items. I do think there's a kind of point of view lurking in there somewhere, the ampersands imply replationships and a point of viewabout those relationship, I'd rather aim for a better expression of neutality. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Calicocat" title="User:Calicocat">Calicocat</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Calicocat-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z-Template_format,_order_of_items" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calicocat-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z-Template_format,_order_of_items"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calicocat-2007-01-01T08:13:00.000Z-Template_format,_order_of_items"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editorial_independence" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editorial_independence-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editorial_independence-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z"></span>Editorial independence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editorial_independence-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Editorial independence"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rl-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z-Editorial_independence"></span>I just changed <a href="/wiki/Editorial_independence" title="Editorial independence">editorial independence</a> from a redirect (<a href="/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press" title="Freedom of the press">Freedom of the press</a>) to a stub. This important concept deserves better coverage and should be included in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Journalism" title="Template:Journalism">journalism</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> once it is more than an embarrassingly short stub. <a href="/wiki/User:Rl" title="User:Rl">Rl</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Rl-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z-Editorial_independence" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rl-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z-Editorial_independence"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rl-2007-04-23T08:34:00.000Z-Editorial_independence"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box" data-mw-thread-id="h-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z"><span id="Would_recommend_adding_.22organizations.22_to_the_J_box"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z"></span>Would recommend adding "organizations" to the J box<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Would recommend adding "organizations" to the J box"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guroadrunner-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box"></span>It would be nice to include a section on journalism organizations -- if not just a link to a main overview of journalism organziations -- to incorporate the existence of the <a href="/wiki/SPJ" class="mw-redirect" title="SPJ">SPJ</a>, <a href="/wiki/Investigative_Reporters_%26_Editors" class="mw-redirect" title="Investigative Reporters & Editors">Investigative Reporters & Editors</a>, <a href="/wiki/Poynter_Institute" title="Poynter Institute">Poynter Institute</a>, <a href="/wiki/AAJA" class="mw-redirect" title="AAJA">AAJA</a>, and others to this template box. </p><p>A link maybe could go to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Journalism_organizations">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Journalism_organizations</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Guroadrunner" title="User:Guroadrunner">Guroadrunner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Guroadrunner-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guroadrunner-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guroadrunner-2007-05-13T02:55:00.000Z-Would_recommend_adding_"organizations"_to_the_J_box"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_overhaul_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_overhaul_proposal-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_overhaul_proposal-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Template overhaul proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_overhaul_proposal-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Template overhaul proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"></span>I've created a reorganization of this template <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tobagginoggin/Temp/Journalism&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tobagginoggin/Temp/Journalism (page does not exist)">here in my user namespace</a>, mostly to distinguish fields, like fashion and business, from genres, like investigative and watchdog journalism, but also to avoid various redirects, redundancies, and one red link. I've tried to include links to the most general, well-developed articles, because those then tend to include links to articles on various more specific topics. I've also tried to tidy up the visual aspect of the text layout a bit. I realize an organizational overhaul of an article namespace template may be a bit <i>too</i> bold, so please comment here on this talk page or <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tobagginoggin/Temp/Journalism&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tobagginoggin/Temp/Journalism (page does not exist)">over on the temporary talk page</a> if you have any suggestions or ideas so that I can evaluate whether or not my version is compatible with consensus. Thanks! -<a href="/wiki/User:Tobogganoggin" title="User:Tobogganoggin">Tobogganoggin</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobogganoggin" title="User talk:Tobogganoggin">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span>It has been a while since anybody commented here, but I'd just like to say to <a href="/wiki/User:Tobogganoggin" title="User:Tobogganoggin">Tobogganoggin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobogganoggin" title="User talk:Tobogganoggin">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tobogganoggin" title="Special:Contributions/Tobogganoggin">contribs</a>) that the alternate version looks great! <a href="/wiki/User:Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Curt Wilhelm VonSavage">Curt Wilhelm VonSavage</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Tobogganoggin-2007-09-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-11-15T01:04:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"></span>Well folks, it's been about two months and I've only received one (positive - thanks Curt Wilhelm VonSavage!) response, so I'm implementing my changes. Feel free to contact me for any further discussion. - <a href="/wiki/User:Tobogganoggin" title="User:Tobogganoggin">Tobogganoggin</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobogganoggin" title="User talk:Tobogganoggin">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Tobogganoggin-2007-11-15T01:04:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-11-15T01:04:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tobogganoggin-2007-11-15T01:04:00.000Z-Template_overhaul_proposal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redlinks_in_template?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redlinks_in_template?-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z"><span id="Redlinks_in_template.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redlinks_in_template?-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Redlinks in template?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redlinks_in_template?-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Redlinks in template?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Redlinks_in_template?"></span>There is a redlink to <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalism_books&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of journalism books (page does not exist)">List of journalism books</a> in the template. I don't feel like finding sources and creating an article for that list topic, and it looks uncouth to have a redlink substed onto lots of other articles. If and when that topic gets its own article, we can put it back, even if it's a stub. <a href="/wiki/User:Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Curt Wilhelm VonSavage">Curt Wilhelm VonSavage</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Redlinks_in_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Redlinks_in_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curt_Wilhelm_VonSavage-2007-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-Redlinks_in_template?"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Erroneous_with_images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Erroneous_with_images-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Erroneous_with_images-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"></span>Erroneous with images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Erroneous_with_images-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Erroneous with images"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z-Erroneous_with_images"></span>Template seems to be causing formatting problems on pages with images first, see <a href="/wiki/Fourth_Estate" title="Fourth Estate">Fourth Estate</a> and <a href="/wiki/MSU_Faculty_of_Journalism" title="MSU Faculty of Journalism">MSU Faculty of Journalism</a>. It probably needs to get fixed (I don't know how). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ss_r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ss r">ssr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ss_r" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ss r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z-Erroneous_with_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z-Erroneous_with_images"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z-Erroneous_with_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ss_r-2008-01-31T17:31:00.000Z-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"></span>Now I know how. Solution was in adding {{float right}}. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ss_r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ss r">ssr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ss_r" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ss r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Ss_r-2008-01-31T17:31:00.000Z-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ss_r-2008-01-31T17:31:00.000Z-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ss_r-2008-01-31T17:31:00.000Z-Ss_r-2008-01-27T23:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_Media_concentration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_Media_concentration-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_Media_concentration-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Adding Media concentration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_Media_concentration-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Adding Media concentration"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"></span>I suggest to add <a href="/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership" title="Concentration of media ownership">Concentration of media ownership</a> to the template, after <a href="/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press" title="Freedom of the press">freedom of the press</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Desyman44" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Desyman44">Desyman44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Desyman44" title="User talk:Desyman44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evolauxia-2008-12-11T06:34:00.000Z-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"></span>I support its addition. <a href="/wiki/User:Evolauxia" title="User:Evolauxia">Evolauxia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evolauxia" title="User talk:Evolauxia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Evolauxia-2008-12-11T06:34:00.000Z-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evolauxia-2008-12-11T06:34:00.000Z-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evolauxia-2008-12-11T06:34:00.000Z-Desyman44-2008-12-07T20:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-58.110.82.132-2008-12-21T23:45:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"></span>We would like to thank Sydney for such a memorable holiday and for the experience of your wonderful people , my wife and I where staying in the Marque Hotel up in China town we recommend the hotel and it's friendly and very helpful staff we had the misfortune to lose all our travel documents , travellers cheques and passports including our flight tickets to continue our trip to see our daughter and grand children in Adelaide to stay over christmas , you can imagine how frantic we were in trying to trace our steps to find our missing docs we needn't of worried as one of your city's amazing people actually found our doc's and by a process of detective work he contacted our daughter to find out were we where staying and delivered the said docs to our hotel, we met the young man in question and made a thank you gift to him but i feel he should get a mention on tv for his honesty and kindness he is a true ambassador for your city his name is [deleted] and he works for the assurance and advisory buisiness services of Ernst and Young he is a credit to his company. Thank you so much Sydney for a heartwarming experience , regards [deleted] xx <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/58.110.82.132" title="Special:Contributions/58.110.82.132">58.110.82.132</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:58.110.82.132&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:58.110.82.132 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-58.110.82.132-2008-12-21T23:45:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-58.110.82.132-2008-12-21T23:45:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-58.110.82.132-2008-12-21T23:45:00.000Z-Adding_Media_concentration"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Criticism?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Criticism?-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"><span id="Criticism.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Criticism?-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"></span>Criticism?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Criticism?-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Criticism?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z-Criticism?"></span>This template appears on articles such as <a href="/wiki/Propaganda_model" title="Propaganda model">Propaganda model</a> but this article does not appear in the template. Should there be room for criticism of journalism in the template? <a href="/wiki/User:Causa_sui" title="User:Causa sui"><span style="background:#777;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">causa sui</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Causa_sui" title="User talk:Causa sui"><span style="background:#333;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">×</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z-Criticism?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z-Criticism?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z-Criticism?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeorgeLouis-2010-12-14T23:10:00.000Z-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"></span>I don't think it necessary to add the names of all articles that use the template, which should really refer only to major topics. Sincerely, <a href="/wiki/User:GeorgeLouis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeorgeLouis">GeorgeLouis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeorgeLouis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeorgeLouis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-GeorgeLouis-2010-12-14T23:10:00.000Z-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GeorgeLouis-2010-12-14T23:10:00.000Z-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GeorgeLouis-2010-12-14T23:10:00.000Z-Causa_sui-2009-11-06T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Collapse" data-mw-thread-id="h-Collapse-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Collapse-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"></span>Collapse<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Collapse-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Collapse"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z-Collapse"></span>This template is useful but really takes a lot of space. Can it be made to collapse? I tried <|collapse=yes> with no result. Maybe some of you authorized template code people can do it. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcus334" title="User:Marcus334"><span style="color:#006400;">Marcus334</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcus334" title="User talk:Marcus334"><span style="color:#8B4513;">(Talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z-Collapse" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z-Collapse"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z-Collapse"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T17:03:00.000Z-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"></span>I am no too familiar with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Sidebar" title="Template:Sidebar">sidebar</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> templates, but it is not inviting to do so (it produces a big ugly "[Show]" text in the caption). Folding a sidebar may be a bad idea, since the text must rearrange when clicking. Maybe <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Sidebar_with_collapsible_lists" title="Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists">sidebar with collapsible lists</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> can help. btw, I also find it unnecessarily broad. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-DePiep-2012-03-06T17:03:00.000Z-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T17:03:00.000Z-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T17:03:00.000Z-Marcus334-2012-02-28T16:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Simplify_lists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Simplify_lists-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Simplify_lists-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"></span>Simplify lists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Simplify_lists-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Simplify lists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z-Simplify_lists"></span>The listings currently are mixing two styles: a vertical list (using <br/>) and a horizontal list (using <b>·</b> ). To me that is confusing. I suggest we change each list into a flowing one (as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Journalism_footer" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Journalism footer">Journalism footer</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> has). -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z-Simplify_lists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z-Simplify_lists"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z-Simplify_lists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:52:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"></span>example now in <a href="/wiki/Template:Journalism/sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Journalism/sandbox">Template:Journalism/sandbox</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Journalism/sandbox&diff=480478721&oldid=480478590">this version</a>. Could be into hlist class later on. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:52:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:52:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:52:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-03-06T11:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_on_journalism_siderbar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_on_journalism_siderbar-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_on_journalism_siderbar-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"></span>Image on journalism siderbar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_on_journalism_siderbar-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Image on journalism siderbar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z-Image_on_journalism_siderbar"></span>The image on the journalism sidebar template, which you can see, for example, <a href="/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America#Organization_overview" title="Media Matters for America">here</a>: Is it really adding anything? I find it distracting and confusing, and I'd suggest removing it or replacing it with something less inscrutable. It was added in this edit: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Journalism_sidebar&diff=676813986&oldid=665091533">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Yilloslime" title="User:Yilloslime">Yilloslime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yilloslime" title="User talk:Yilloslime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z-Image_on_journalism_siderbar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z-Image_on_journalism_siderbar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z-Image_on_journalism_siderbar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"></span>Have to say that I agree. Image seems to be an old style press pass. <a href="/wiki/User:Rp2006" title="User:Rp2006">RobP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rp2006" title="User talk:Rp2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2018-11-09T17:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rp2006-2018-12-22T02:29:00.000Z-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z"></span>As there has been no reply here for months, I removed the image. <a href="/wiki/User:Rp2006" title="User:Rp2006">RobP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rp2006" title="User talk:Rp2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-Rp2006-2018-12-22T02:29:00.000Z-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 22 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rp2006-2018-12-22T02:29:00.000Z-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rp2006-2018-12-22T02:29:00.000Z-Rp2006-2018-11-20T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legal_journalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legal_journalism-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legal_journalism-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Legal journalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legal_journalism-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Legal journalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-K8M8S8-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z-Legal_journalism"></span>How about adding <i>Legal journalism</i> into the section "Areas" of the template? <a href="/wiki/User:K8M8S8" title="User:K8M8S8">K8M8S8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:K8M8S8" title="User talk:K8M8S8">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Journalism#c-K8M8S8-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z-Legal_journalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-K8M8S8-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z-Legal_journalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-K8M8S8-2022-05-31T20:33:00.000Z-Legal_journalism"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&oldid=1232430485">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Journalism&oldid=1232430485</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Journalism_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Journalism pages">Template-Class Journalism pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Journalism_pages" title="Category:NA-importance Journalism pages">NA-importance Journalism pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Journalism_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Journalism articles">WikiProject Journalism articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 July 2024, at 18:02<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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