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Section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twoxili-20240322163700-Quick_Note_on_Pascal's_Triangle_Article_Section"></span>Hi, </p><p>Hope you're doing well. I've spotted a small issue in the Arbitrary Bases section I contributed to on the Pascal's Triangle page, following a recent <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1214093805" title="Special:PermanentLink/1214093805">revert</a> you made. Oddly enough, this error doesn't seem to appear in any revision prior to that reversion, which is a bit puzzling given that the revert should technically have restored it to a previous error-free state. Here are the details, hoping you could help me sort it out: </p><p>Error on page is: "Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/">http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/</a>":): {\displaystyle a}" </p> <ul><li>The offending code appears to be a "<math>a</math>" in the Arbitrary Bases section, where "a" is being formatted in LaTex.</li> <li>Error shows up in Chrome and Safari and I tested on laptop and tablet, but not outside my LAN</li></ul> <p>Really appreciate the effort you put into maintaining the quality of content on here. Looking forward to resolving this together. </p><p>Cheers <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Twoxili&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Twoxili (page does not exist)">Twoxili</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twoxili" title="User talk:Twoxili">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Twoxili-20240322163700-Quick_Note_on_Pascal's_Triangle_Article_Section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twoxili-20240322163700-Quick_Note_on_Pascal's_Triangle_Article_Section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twoxili-20240322163700-Quick_Note_on_Pascal's_Triangle_Article_Section"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600-Twoxili-20240322163700"></span>Hello, I appreciate you reaching out about this issue on the article. I don't quite know how to fix this sort of error, though I'd be happy to drop a comment on the talk page of the article to reach out for help, if you think that could assist with this error. I'll leave the judgment up to you as to whether or not I should do that, though. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600-Twoxili-20240322163700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600-Twoxili-20240322163700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600-Twoxili-20240322163700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twoxili-20240323030300-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600"></span>Thanks getting back to me so quickly. I appreciate your offer to help with the issue. I'm going to hold off for a bit and see if the problem resolves itself with the next edit. Your willingness to support is truly valued, and I might take you up on posting in the talk page if the issue remains.</dd> <dd>Warmest regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Twoxili&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Twoxili (page does not exist)">Twoxili</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twoxili" title="User talk:Twoxili">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Twoxili-20240323030300-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twoxili-20240323030300-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twoxili-20240323030300-JeffSpaceman-20240322182600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240402164000"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240402164000"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240402164000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neuropol-20240402164000-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png/100px-Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png/150px-Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png/200px-Barnstar_of_Reversion_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">You really do move fast like a rocket, hence your username. You're a hero on Defcon 2 today, and you've been an active, vigilant patroller that I've seen often. There's no better person to award this barnstar to. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Neuropol" title="User:Neuropol"><span style="color: steelblue"><b>Neuropol</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neuropol" title="User talk:Neuropol"><span style="color: goldenrod"><sup><b>Talk</b></sup></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Neuropol-20240402164000-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neuropol-20240402164000-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neuropol-20240402164000-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AiV_advice_on_IP_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-AiV_advice_on_IP_user-20240405163500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AiV_advice_on_IP_user-20240405163500"></span>AiV advice on IP user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AiV_advice_on_IP_user-20240405163500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: AiV advice on IP user"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neuropol-20240405163500-AiV_advice_on_IP_user"></span>Hi, I just wanted to consult you on a user we've both warned now, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.113.179.195" title="User talk:74.113.179.195">this IP user</a>. This user was blocked for 3 years and 13 days after their block, have immediately returned to vandalism. I think this is grounds enough to just report them to AiV again instead of using the L4 warning next time. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Neuropol" title="User:Neuropol"><span style="color: steelblue"><b>Neuropol</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neuropol" title="User talk:Neuropol"><span style="color: goldenrod"><sup><b>Talk</b></sup></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Neuropol-20240405163500-AiV_advice_on_IP_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neuropol-20240405163500-AiV_advice_on_IP_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neuropol-20240405163500-AiV_advice_on_IP_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600-Neuropol-20240405163500"></span>OK, I appreciate you bringing this up. I didn't realize this, I saw your warning, and thought I'd naturally go up from there. I now realize that perhaps I should look closer at the block log next time. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600-Neuropol-20240405163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600-Neuropol-20240405163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600-Neuropol-20240405163500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neuropol-20240405170000-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600"></span>All good, and no problem. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Neuropol" title="User:Neuropol"><span style="color: steelblue"><b>Neuropol</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neuropol" title="User talk:Neuropol"><span style="color: goldenrod"><sup><b>Talk</b></sup></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Neuropol-20240405170000-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neuropol-20240405170000-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neuropol-20240405170000-JeffSpaceman-20240405165600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trouble_Reverting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trouble_Reverting-20240409173500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trouble_Reverting-20240409173500"></span>Trouble Reverting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trouble_Reverting-20240409173500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Trouble Reverting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Classicwiki-20240409173500-Trouble_Reverting"></span>Hello, I can not revert these obvious vandal edits <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingda_Ka&diff=next&oldid=1218091560">here</a>. I get the following message below. I try reverting to an even earlier version. Any assistance? Also if you have any advice on these situations let me know. Thanks, </p><p>Grabbing data of earlier revisions: Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist. To save your changes now, you must go back and remove the blocked link (shown below), and then save. Note that if you used a redirection link or URL shortener (like e.g. goo.gl, t.co, youtu.be, bit.ly), you may still be able to save your changes by using the direct, non-shortened link - you generally obtain the non-shortened link by following the link, and copying the contents of the address bar of your web-browser after the page has loaded. Links containing google.com/url? are resulting from a copy/paste from the result page of a Google search - please follow the link on the result page, and copy/paste the contents of the address bar of your web-browser after the page has loaded, or click here to convert the link. If you feel the link is needed, you can: Request that the entire website be allowed, that is, removed from the local or global spam blacklists (check both lists to see which one is affecting you). Request that just the specific page be allowed, without unblocking the whole website, by asking on the spam whitelist talk page. Blacklisting indicates past problems with the link, so any requests should clearly demonstrate how inclusion would benefit Wikipedia. The following link has triggered a protection filter: about.com Either that exact link, or a portion of it (typically the root domain name) is currently blocked. Solutions: If the URL used is a URL shortener/redirect, please use the full URL in its place, for example, use youtube.com rather than youtu.be, If the URL is a Google URL, please look to use the (full) original source, not the Google shortcut or its alternative. Look to find an alternative URL that is considered authoritative. (spamblacklist) </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Classicwiki" title="User:Classicwiki">Classicwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Classicwiki" title="User talk:Classicwiki">talk</a>)<span style="font-size:85%;"> If you reply here, please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ECHO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ECHO">ping me</a>.</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Classicwiki-20240409173500-Trouble_Reverting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Classicwiki-20240409173500-Trouble_Reverting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Classicwiki-20240409173500-Trouble_Reverting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Classicwiki-20240409173600-Classicwiki-20240409173500"></span>Nevermind, another user seems to have been able to revert. <a href="/wiki/User:Classicwiki" title="User:Classicwiki">Classicwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Classicwiki" title="User talk:Classicwiki">talk</a>)<span style="font-size:85%;"> If you reply here, please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ECHO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ECHO">ping me</a>.</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Classicwiki-20240409173600-Classicwiki-20240409173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Classicwiki-20240409173600-Classicwiki-20240409173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Classicwiki-20240409173600-Classicwiki-20240409173500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="North_Caledonian_League_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-North_Caledonian_League_edit-20240414123600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-North_Caledonian_League_edit-20240414123600"></span>North Caledonian League edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-North_Caledonian_League_edit-20240414123600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: North Caledonian League edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.29.33.48-20240414123600-North_Caledonian_League_edit"></span>Hi, </p><p>I noticed your message re my edit of the above page. I maintain the scottish football historical results archive and I made this change after extensive research of the Highland League also unearthed more on the NCL (then called the NoS 2nd XI League). In 1961-62, the season was divided into 2 competitions, Leg I and Leg II, the winners of each would play a decider for the overall Championship. Inverness Th won the first Leg but the second was incomplete so no play-off was arranged. Local press archives were used for this. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.29.33.48" title="Special:Contributions/86.29.33.48">86.29.33.48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.29.33.48" title="User talk:86.29.33.48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-86.29.33.48-20240414123600-North_Caledonian_League_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.29.33.48-20240414123600-North_Caledonian_League_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.29.33.48-20240414123600-North_Caledonian_League_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240414193000-86.29.33.48-20240414123600"></span>If this is true, then cite them directly. Wikipedia policy states that all information in articles needs to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiable</a>, and through you citing sources, you can prove what you are stating here. If you are having trouble with citing sources on Wikipedia, feel free to take a look at the relevant guidelines <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">here</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240414193000-86.29.33.48-20240414123600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240414193000-86.29.33.48-20240414123600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240414193000-86.29.33.48-20240414123600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer-20240416221100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer-20240416221100"></span>Danny Graves Pitched against Bert Kreischer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer-20240416221100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Danny Graves Pitched against Bert Kreischer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-208.199.104.84-20240416221100-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer"></span>Bert Kreischer used to bat off of Danny Graves as noted and surprisingly discoverd on this podcast episode: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AxfiS1nD4Go">https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AxfiS1nD4Go</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/208.199.104.84" title="Special:Contributions/208.199.104.84">208.199.104.84</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:208.199.104.84" title="User talk:208.199.104.84">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-208.199.104.84-20240416221100-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-208.199.104.84-20240416221100-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-208.199.104.84-20240416221100-Danny_Graves_Pitched_against_Bert_Kreischer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240416221200-208.199.104.84-20240416221100"></span>Cite that directly in the article then, please. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">burden of evidence</a> to prove that content is verifiable lies on any editor who adds or restores material. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240416221200-208.199.104.84-20240416221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240416221200-208.199.104.84-20240416221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240416221200-208.199.104.84-20240416221100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240421153900"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240421153900"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240421153900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAstorPastor-20240421153900-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Kindness_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thanks for thanks!! <a href="/wiki/User:TheAstorPastor" title="User:TheAstorPastor"><span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAstorPastor" title="User talk:TheAstorPastor"><span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A"><i>talk</i></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-TheAstorPastor-20240421153900-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAstorPastor-20240421153900-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAstorPastor-20240421153900-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:Jkaharper" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:Jkaharper-20240421195600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:Jkaharper-20240421195600"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jkaharper" title="User talk:Jkaharper">User talk:Jkaharper</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:Jkaharper-20240421195600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: User talk:Jkaharper"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingenuity-20240421195600-User_talk:Jkaharper"></span>Thanks for helping to revert the vandal. In the future, though, please try to avoid spamming page histories with reverts, especially if the vandalism isn't particularly urgent. Just revert them once, and if they continue you can report them. It saves time for you, and stops someone from potentially getting dozens of notifications. Thanks! — <a href="/wiki/User:Ingenuity" title="User:Ingenuity">Ingenuity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingenuity#top" title="User talk:Ingenuity">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ingenuity" title="Special:Contributions/Ingenuity">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Ingenuity-20240421195600-User_talk:Jkaharper" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingenuity-20240421195600-User_talk:Jkaharper"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingenuity-20240421195600-User_talk:Jkaharper"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300-Ingenuity-20240421195600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ingenuity" title="User:Ingenuity">Ingenuity</a>:</span> OK, sorry about that. I appreciate you bringing this up -- I just kept on reverting, thinking it was fine due to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">WP:3RR</a> explicitly pointing out that reverting sockpuppets is exempt from the edit warring policy. But you are right regarding notifications; I should have taken that into consideration before reverting as much as I did. I am pinging you to ask this, though: where should I report incidents like these in the future? Part of why I didn't report it was because, as you pointed out, it wasn't egregious vandalism (hence why I didn't go to AIV), and I wasn't sure how long a response time would take. What venue do you recommend I go to from here on out? <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300-Ingenuity-20240421195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300-Ingenuity-20240421195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300-Ingenuity-20240421195600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingenuity-20240421200900-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300"></span>I think AIV would be the best case here, and just point out the history of <a href="/wiki/Vivienne_Martin_(actress)" title="Vivienne Martin (actress)">Vivienne Martin (actress)</a> in your report; any admin should be able to see the block evasion going on. As long as there's obvious disruption/sockpuppetry, AIV is fine. SPI would also work, but that's generally for more complex cases and it could take days for an admin to respond there. — <a href="/wiki/User:Ingenuity" title="User:Ingenuity">Ingenuity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingenuity#top" title="User talk:Ingenuity">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ingenuity" title="Special:Contributions/Ingenuity">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Ingenuity-20240421200900-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingenuity-20240421200900-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingenuity-20240421200900-JeffSpaceman-20240421200300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421201400-Ingenuity-20240421200900"></span>OK, I appreciate your advice here. I will make it a point to take the avenue of going to AIV for obvious, disruptive sockpuppetry from now on. Thank you for the assistance! <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240421201400-Ingenuity-20240421200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421201400-Ingenuity-20240421200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240421201400-Ingenuity-20240421200900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms-20240424130600"><span id="Gus.2C_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms-20240424130600"></span>Gus, Lucy and Ivy Malcolms<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms-20240424130600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Gus, Lucy and Ivy Malcolms"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.205.215.227-20240424130600-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms"></span>I apologise for attempting to change the surnames of these three Emmerdale characters from “Malcolm” to “Malcolms”. I won’t carry on doing this. However, I would check your facts before you threaten to block me from editing. In the show they are credited with the surname “Malcolms”. This means that in making these edits I’m not vandalising the page, but rather fixing an error. </p><p>Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.205.215.227" title="Special:Contributions/31.205.215.227">31.205.215.227</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:31.205.215.227" title="User talk:31.205.215.227">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-31.205.215.227-20240424130600-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.205.215.227-20240424130600-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.205.215.227-20240424130600-Gus,_Lucy_and_Ivy_Malcolms"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240424130700-31.205.215.227-20240424130600"></span>OK, my apologies for that. I'll actually go change it right now. Sorry for any inconvenience. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240424130700-31.205.215.227-20240424130600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240424130700-31.205.215.227-20240424130600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240424130700-31.205.215.227-20240424130600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed" data-mw-thread-id="h-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed-20240429220600"><span id="my_error.E2.80.94accidentally_reverted_your_ed"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed-20240429220600"></span>my error—accidentally reverted your ed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed-20240429220600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: my error—accidentally reverted your ed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neonorange-20240429220600-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed"></span>Somehow, not sure what happened but my pc review and rejection of four ip edits to <a href="/wiki/Animal_testing" title="Animal testing">animal testing</a>, subsequently a fifth edit by ip editor, then your reversion for OR resulted in <i>no</i> edits accepted. I reverted your edit (in error, then improved a sentence (hashed by the ip (I think) restored your edit, then accepted the entire mess (with your and my changes preserved). Please accept my apologies and best wishes. (I will add a further explanation on the ip's talk page). </p> <dl><dd>— <a href="/wiki/User:Neonorange" title="User:Neonorange"><span style="color:orange"><b>N</b></span><b>eonorange</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neonorange" title="User talk:Neonorange">talk to Phil</a>) (he, they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Neonorange-20240429220600-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a> —<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neonorange-20240429220600-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neonorange-20240429220600-my_error—accidentally_reverted_your_ed"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whatever_Bilk_is" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whatever_Bilk_is-20240430115500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whatever_Bilk_is-20240430115500"></span>Whatever Bilk is<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whatever_Bilk_is-20240430115500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Whatever Bilk is"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nomeluk-20240430115500-Whatever_Bilk_is"></span>A bit from the article about a band named <a href="/wiki/Bilk_(band)" title="Bilk (band)">Bilk</a> has gone viral, but the bit about a corned beef theft does not in fact seem to be true. Someone called "Richard Jarrett" was involved in the theft (as sourced), but there is no evidence of him ever having been linked to this band. The band's own Instagram seems rather incredulous as well. I'm trying to get it off the page. Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nomeluk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nomeluk (page does not exist)">Nomeluk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nomeluk" title="User talk:Nomeluk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Nomeluk-20240430115500-Whatever_Bilk_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nomeluk-20240430115500-Whatever_Bilk_is"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nomeluk-20240430115500-Whatever_Bilk_is"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240430142200-Nomeluk-20240430115500"></span>OK, thanks for letting me know. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240430142200-Nomeluk-20240430115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240430142200-Nomeluk-20240430115500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240430142200-Nomeluk-20240430115500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Plane_crash_revert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plane_crash_revert-20240503152900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Plane_crash_revert-20240503152900"></span>Plane crash revert<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Plane_crash_revert-20240503152900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Plane crash revert"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900-Plane_crash_revert"></span>Hello! Hope you're doing fine. Regarding the revert you made to the <a href="/wiki/2022_%C3%9Eingvallavatn_plane_crash" title="2022 Þingvallavatn plane crash">plane crash article</a>, you listed the reason as no citation, but there are 3 or 4 citations referenced that list the victims included. <a href="/wiki/User:Muddybasilisk" title="User:Muddybasilisk">Muddybasilisk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muddybasilisk" title="User talk:Muddybasilisk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900-Plane_crash_revert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900-Plane_crash_revert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900-Plane_crash_revert"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240504144100-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900"></span>Hello, sorry for the late response. I appreciate you correcting me, I see my edit was already reverted with sourcing added to what I was specifically reverting. Thank you for letting me know. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240504144100-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240504144100-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240504144100-Muddybasilisk-20240503152900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now-20240508155500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now-20240508155500"></span>Your reversion at BBC News Now<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now-20240508155500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Your reversion at BBC News Now"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now"></span>Hi there, this is just to let you know that I reverted your reversion of an IP's edit at <a href="/wiki/BBC_News_Now" title="BBC News Now">BBC News Now</a> <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BBC_News_Now&diff=prev&oldid=1222892101&diffonly=1">here</a></span> because the editor was removing duplicated content from the beginning of the paragraph. As you have warned the user, please consider removing or striking this. <a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Black_GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Adam Black GB">Adam Black</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Black_GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Adam Black GB">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adam_Black_GB" title="Special:Contributions/Adam Black GB">contributions</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500-Your_reversion_at_BBC_News_Now"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161200-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500"></span>Warning removed from their talk page, thank you for correcting my mistake. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161200-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161200-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161200-Adam_Black_GB-20240508155500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words"" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words"-20240508160000"><span id="You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_.22word.22_to_.22words.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words"-20240508160000"></span>You reverted my edit on Trombone changing "word" to "words"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words"-20240508160000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: You reverted my edit on Trombone changing "word" to "words""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508160000-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words""></span>I would like to know if I was wrong in that edit. (I'm new on Wikipedia) </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2" title="Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2">68.71.15.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.71.15.2" title="User talk:68.71.15.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-68.71.15.2-20240508160000-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508160000-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.71.15.2-20240508160000-You_reverted_my_edit_on_Trombone_changing_"word"_to_"words""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000-68.71.15.2-20240508160000"></span>Hello. First of all, welcome to Wikipedia. To answer, yes, the edit was wrong. It's just one word plus a suffix (the sole word being "tromba," plus the suffix "-one," which in itself is not a word. Additionally, "I'm just some filler text, please don't delete me" is not a constructive addition to the article and could arguably qualify as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">vandalism</a>, depending on who you ask. I hope this clears things up. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000-68.71.15.2-20240508160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000-68.71.15.2-20240508160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000-68.71.15.2-20240508160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508161300-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000"></span>Noted, but a prefix is still technically a word. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2" title="Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2">68.71.15.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.71.15.2" title="User talk:68.71.15.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-68.71.15.2-20240508161300-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508161300-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.71.15.2-20240508161300-JeffSpaceman-20240508161000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200-68.71.15.2-20240508161300"></span>I concede your point. Still, I don't think the sentence would quite work grammatically -- it would be better off as it currently is: "'Trombone' comes from the <a href="/wiki/Italian_(language)" class="mw-redirect" title="Italian (language)">Italian</a> word <i>tromba</i> (trumpet) plus the suffix <i>-one</i> (large), meaning 'large trumpet.'" Changing "word" to "words" would be incorrect here, since "tromba" is the only word that is part of that section of the sentence, with the suffix only coming after the word "plus," thus being a new, separate part of it. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200-68.71.15.2-20240508161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200-68.71.15.2-20240508161300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200-68.71.15.2-20240508161300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508163600-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200"></span>ok, thank you for clarifying. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2" title="Special:Contributions/68.71.15.2">68.71.15.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.71.15.2" title="User talk:68.71.15.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-68.71.15.2-20240508163600-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.71.15.2-20240508163600-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.71.15.2-20240508163600-JeffSpaceman-20240508162200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Small_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Small_question-20240619142400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Small_question-20240619142400"></span>Small question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Small_question-20240619142400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Small question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AP_499D25-20240619142400-Small_question"></span>Hi JeffSpaceman, </p><p>Lately I had been copyediting the <a href="/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-Class_(W223)" title="Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223)">Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223)</a> article. It took me over an hour, bit longer than expected, to finalise and publish my edit. Although I have a good understanding of the subject, it was that I would often get stuck choosing between two ways of how to word a particular sentence. </p><p>Here's one I had been thinking quite a lot on: </p><p>A: "For the first time in the S-Class' history, the design features a Panamericana style grille design with a large Mercedes-Benz logo in the center, instead of a hood ornament like on the standard models." </p><p>B: "For the first time in the S-Class' history, the design features a Panamericana style grille design with the Mercedes-Benz logo being presented by a large emblem in the center, rather than via a hood ornament like it is on the standard models." </p><p>I ended up choosing option A (for now), but anyways, which one sounds better to you, A or B? </p><p>Just asking, as I see you also copyedit articles quite often, like I do, so I wondered what would be your say in this! </p><p>Regards, — <a href="/wiki/User:AP_499D25" title="User:AP 499D25"><span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AP_499D25" title="User talk:AP 499D25"><span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-AP_499D25-20240619142400-Small_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AP_499D25-20240619142400-Small_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AP_499D25-20240619142400-Small_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000-AP_499D25-20240619142400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AP_499D25" title="User:AP 499D25">AP 499D25</a>:</span> I think A works, though I'd argue "as" might work better than "like," since "like" feels slightly colloquial. That's just me, though, and others may disagree. Regardless, I appreciate you asking about this, and I'm happy to provide my perspective, for whatever it's worth. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000-AP_499D25-20240619142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000-AP_499D25-20240619142400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000-AP_499D25-20240619142400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AP_499D25-20240620063100-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000"></span>Alright, thanks!</dd> <dd>Btw that particular sentence used to read, "For the first time in the S-Class' history, the design features a Panamericana style grille design with a large Mercedes-Benz logo in the center, rather than presented via a hood ornament like it is on the standard models." before I made the copyedit. — <a href="/wiki/User:AP_499D25" title="User:AP 499D25"><span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AP_499D25" title="User talk:AP 499D25"><span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-AP_499D25-20240620063100-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AP_499D25-20240620063100-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AP_499D25-20240620063100-JeffSpaceman-20240619193000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OK_Computer" data-mw-thread-id="h-OK_Computer-20240704102200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OK_Computer-20240704102200"></span>OK Computer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OK_Computer-20240704102200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: OK Computer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200-OK_Computer"></span>Hello, I'd changed OK Computer's page to say "widespread acclaim" instead of just "acclaim" because it'd be more accurate to the release time period. Upon release, OK Computer was widely revered by many critics and fans alike and still is today. (check any online music site for that). If you have any rebuttals to this statement (that aren't grammatical because the sentence reads fine with or without it), please let me know. </p><p>yours truly, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Swedishprogressivemetal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Swedishprogressivemetal (page does not exist)">Swedishprogressivemetal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swedishprogressivemetal" title="User talk:Swedishprogressivemetal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200-OK_Computer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200-OK_Computer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200-OK_Computer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200"></span>I have quite a few rebuttals to this statement, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Swedishprogressivemetal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Swedishprogressivemetal (page does not exist)">User:Swedishprogressivemetal</a>. For one thing, a lot of the analysis you've presented seems to come from a place of original research, which is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">prohibited by policy</a> on Wikipedia. For another, online music sites are not inherently reliable sources. While online publications featuring writers with journalistic experience like AllMusic and Rolling Stone pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSMUSIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSMUSIC">WP:RSMUSIC</a> due to there being at least a veneer of fact-checking and accuracy, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UGC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UGC">user-generated</a> fan websites like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RYM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RYM">Rate Your Music</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LASTFM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LASTFM">Last.fm</a> fail the reliable sourcing guidelines (which can be viewed above), and are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">self-published sources</a>. Granting fansites like these as much legitimacy in determining an album or artist's impact as AllMusic or Rolling Stone would be to give <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">undue weight</a> to unreliable sources.</dd> <dd>I have attempted to explain this to the best of my abilities. If you have any further questions, don't be afraid to ask. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704102200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400"></span>hello again, I do have some things to say.</dd> <dd>for a start, could you elaborate on "place of original research?" I'm not quite sure what you're meaning by that.</dd> <dd>2. on those fan websites (or some of them at least, such as albumoftheyear.org) have aggregate scores for both fans and critics. and for many album pages on Wikipedia, there is sections in the Critical Reception parts for aggregate scores (such as Metacritic or AnyDecentMusic?) so, i'd count that as a valid source.</dd> <dd>yours truly, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Swedishprogressivemetal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Swedishprogressivemetal (page does not exist)">Swedishprogressivemetal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swedishprogressivemetal" title="User talk:Swedishprogressivemetal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000-JeffSpaceman-20240704110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704145500-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000"></span>I'd be happy to elaborate: When I said "place of original research," what I meant was that it felt like you were synthesizing the sources to draw a conclusion not explicitly reached by any one of them -- see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">WP:SYNTH</a> for more information on what I am talking about. Additionally, the problem with those fan websites is that nearly all of them fail <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, as illustrated by their presences on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTRSMUSIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTRSMUSIC">WP:NOTRSMUSIC</a>, which includes popular fansites like the aforementioned RYM and Last.fm, as well as other popular ones like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCOGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCOGS">Discogs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHOSAMPLED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHOSAMPLED">WhoSampled</a>. Album of the Year is in the same boat -- as noted by its inclusion on NOTRSMUSIC, where it is included with the following description: "No clear editorial discretion between sources, including several amateur critics alongside otherwise reliable/professional ones." You can find a 2020 discussion about that specific source <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_316#Album_of_the_Year" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 316">here</a>, where editors came to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> that it is a self-published source that presents user-generated content, thus failing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USERG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USERG">WP:USERG</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUB">WP:SELFPUB</a>. Additionally, as noted by the description, it includes non-professional and unreliable reviewers (including ones who self-publish on YouTube) alongside journalistic publications for its critical rankings, unlike Metacritic and AnyDecentMusic, whose critical consensuses meet the RS guidelines and are listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSMUSIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSMUSIC">WP:RSMUSIC</a>. Because of this, AOTY is considered generally unreliable as a source. If you feel differently, don't hesitate to go to the reliable sources noticeboard (linked <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">here</a>) to make a case for the source's reliability. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240704145500-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704145500-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240704145500-Swedishprogressivemetal-20240704122000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_from_IP_user_User:72.80.249.241" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr-20240907193500"><span id="Wikipedia:Administrators.27_noticeboard.2FIncidents.23Continuous_disruptive_editing_from_IP_user_User:72.80.249.241"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr-20240907193500"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_from_IP_user_User:72.80.249.241" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#‎Continuous disruptive editing from IP user User:72.80.249.241</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr-20240907193500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#‎Continuous disruptive editing from IP user User:72.80.249.241"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr"></span>I'm not going to get into an edit war over such a minor issue, but I'm surprised that you prefer to make a ridiculous claim in your header. Nobody edits continuously, without breaks for eating, sleeping, going to the toilet etc., but some people edit continually. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continuous_disruptive_editing_fr"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240907214900-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500"></span>You are partially correct, but here is the second definition down from the Oxford English Dictionary: "Repeatedly without exceptions or reversals. Example: 'Their performance has continuously improved.'" Given that the editor is repeatedly adding the same problematic material without any reversals, I am not incorrectly using the word. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240907214900-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240907214900-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240907214900-Phil_Bridger-20240907193500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI-20240908123100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI-20240908123100"></span>FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI-20240908123100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: FYI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100-FYI"></span>Editors have wide latitude on their own talk page and even outside of that repeatedly reverting them there is almost never productive. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100-FYI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100-FYI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100-FYI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240908123300-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100"></span>I appreciate you calling me on this. I felt that I was being attacked and that the removals were justified, but you're absolutely right. Sorry about that. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20240908123300-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20240908123300-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20240908123300-HJ_Mitchell-20240908123100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_Birthday!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_Birthday!-20240915030100"><span id="Happy_Birthday.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_Birthday!-20240915030100"></span>Happy Birthday!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_Birthday!-20240915030100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Happy Birthday!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Herald-20240915030100-Happy_Birthday!"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238436933">.mw-parser-output .ombox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);box-sizing:border-box;color:var(--color-base,#202122)}.mw-parser-output .ombox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ombox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ombox-content{border:1px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ombox-style{border:1px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .ombox-move{border:1px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .ombox-protection{border:2px solid #a2a9b1}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-invalid-type{text-align:center}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .ombox{margin:4px 10%}.mw-parser-output .ombox.mbox-small{clear:right;float:right;margin:4px 0 4px 1em;width:238px}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.ombox img{max-width:none!important}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}</style><table class="box-Happy_Birthday plainlinks ombox ombox-notice" role="presentation" style="border: 2px solid SlateBlue; background: linear-gradient(to right, #c5c5ec, #bfd1f2, #a9efea);"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Twemoji12_1f382.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Birthday cake emoji" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/50px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/75px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/100px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="padding: 0.75em; text-align:center;"><big><b>Happy birthday!</b></big><br/>Hi JeffSpaceman! On behalf of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Birthday_Committee" title="Wikipedia:Birthday Committee">Birthday Committee</a>, I'd like to wish you a very happy birthday! Enjoy this special day! <a href="/wiki/User:The_Herald" class="mw-redirect" title="User:The Herald">The Herald (Benison)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Herald" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:The Herald">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-The_Herald-20240915030100-Happy_Birthday!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Herald-20240915030100-Happy_Birthday!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Herald-20240915030100-Happy_Birthday!"></span></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Twemoji2_1f389.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Party popper emoji" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/50px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/75px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/100px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2024-20241020150700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2024-20241020150700"></span>October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2024-20241020150700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dxneo-20241020150700-October_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JeffSpaceman" title="Special:Contributions/JeffSpaceman">your recent contributions</a>, such as the edit(s) you made to <a href="/wiki/Tobey_(song)" title="Tobey (song)">Tobey (song)</a>, did not appear to be constructive and have been <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">reverted</a>. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines">policies and guidelines</a>. You can find information about these at our <a href="/wiki/Help:Getting_started" title="Help:Getting started">welcome page</a> which also provides further information about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia">contributing constructively to this encyclopedia</a>. If you only meant to make test edits, please use <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JeffSpaceman/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JeffSpaceman/sandbox (page does not exist)">your sandbox</a> for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dxneo" title="User talk:Dxneo">my talk page</a>. Thank you. <b><span style="color:Purple">dxneo</span></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dxneo" title="User talk:Dxneo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Dxneo-20241020150700-October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dxneo-20241020150700-October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dxneo-20241020150700-October_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900-Dxneo-20241020150700"></span>Hello, I appreciate your correction of the credit. However, I recommend that you remove "rap rock" as a genre, since as stated in my edit summary, the source does not directly call it a rap rock song -- see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EXPLICITGENRES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EXPLICITGENRES">WP:EXPLICITGENRES</a> for more information. <a href="/wiki/User:JeffSpaceman" title="User:JeffSpaceman">JeffSpaceman</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900-Dxneo-20241020150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900-Dxneo-20241020150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900-Dxneo-20241020150700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dxneo-20241020151100-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>, good catch, thank you. <b><span style="color:Purple">dxneo</span></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dxneo" title="User talk:Dxneo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Dxneo-20241020151100-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dxneo-20241020151100-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dxneo-20241020151100-JeffSpaceman-20241020150900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)-20241028013700"><span id="Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_.28Crunchy_Black_album.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)-20241028013700"></span>Speedy deletion declined: <a href="/w/index.php?title=From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="From Me to You (Crunchy Black album) (page does not exist)">From Me to You (Crunchy Black album)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)-20241028013700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion declined: From Me to You (Crunchy Black album)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whpq-20241028013700-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)"></span>Hello JeffSpaceman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="From Me to You (Crunchy Black album) (page does not exist)">From Me to You (Crunchy Black album)</a>, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Recording artist has an aticle. Not A9 elegible. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Whpq" title="User:Whpq">Whpq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whpq" title="User talk:Whpq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Whpq-20241028013700-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whpq-20241028013700-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whpq-20241028013700-Speedy_deletion_declined:_From_Me_to_You_(Crunchy_Black_album)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit-20241108140900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit-20241108140900"></span>Charles John Hallahan place of burial - your reverion of my edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit-20241108140900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeffSpaceman&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Charles John Hallahan place of burial - your reverion of my edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Norio0368-20241108140900-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit"></span>Greetings Jeff </p><p>I'm curious why you reverted my edit concerning the above. I am 100% certain of the accuracy of the information from findagrave.com, even though it is a user-generated site. The simple reason for this is that I am a native of the town where Mr Hallahan is buried, Cobh, County Cork, Ireland. I personally found his grave while strolling around the cemetery some years ago and was struck by how far away from home he is buried, as it must be hard for his family, who presumably still live in Los Angeles. </p><p>Best regards, </p><p>Michael <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Norio0368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Norio0368 (page does not exist)">Norio0368</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Norio0368" title="User talk:Norio0368">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeffSpaceman#c-Norio0368-20241108140900-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Norio0368-20241108140900-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Norio0368-20241108140900-Charles_John_Hallahan_place_of_burial_-_your_reverion_of_my_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JeffSpaceman-20241108195400-Norio0368-20241108140900"></span>Hello, thank you for being willing to discuss this with me. Even if you are certain of the accuracy, all content within Wikipedia articles must be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiable</a>, which means that all material must be attributed to sources that meet standards such as the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">WP:Reliable sources</a> guideline. Find a Grave does not meet that criteria, because it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UGC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UGC">user-generated</a>, and thus anyone can change the content. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTRUTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTRUTH">WP:NOTTRUTH</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a> for further information surrounding why there must be reliable, published sources supporting the content you'd like to add. 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