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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_2019" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_2019"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.6</span> <span>June 2019</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-June_2019-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7</span> <span>Wikipedia:Office actions#Secondary office actions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Please_be_careful" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Please_be_careful"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.8</span> <span>Please be careful</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Please_be_careful-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.9</span> <span>Notification of ArbCom case request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suggestion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suggestion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.10</span> <span>Suggestion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suggestion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.11</span> <span>Role accounts that edit are a very bad idea.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.12</span> <span>Nobody can't say I'm not unhelpful.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.13</span> <span>Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion of office actions resolved by motion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.14</span> <span>Cheeky Girls unreferenced apparent slander</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tags_on_user_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tags_on_user_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.15</span> <span>Tags on user pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tags_on_user_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.16</span> <span>Protected edit request on 3 February 2021</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.17</span> <span>Global lock request - User:EvilLair</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.18</span> <span>Phạm Văn Rạng and Legende Legende Legende</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MidAtlanticBaby" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MidAtlanticBaby"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.19</span> <span>MidAtlanticBaby</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-MidAtlanticBaby-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Contents" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" 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data-mw-thread-id="h-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span>General Talk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: General Talk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fram's_talk_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fram's_talk_pages-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"><span id="Fram.27s_talk_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fram's_talk_pages-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span>Fram's talk pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fram's_talk_pages-General_Talk-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Fram's talk pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"></span>Please restore the archive box to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">User talk:Fram</a> - the current situation should not mean that barriers should be placed in the way of other editors, seeking to find past discussions in which they were involved, or have an interest. More generally, please do not remove such boxes in other cases. </p><p>Also, please restore the large amount of material you removed in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fram&diff=901256582&oldid=900764547">this edit</a></span> onto one or more pages in that archive. Again, more generally, please do not remove discussions (aside from any that must be oversighted, of course) without archiving them. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span>What Andy said. Adding: I find it sad to have to go to other Wikipedias to express my feelings. I don't think protection of the talk page is needed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T12:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2019-06-11T15:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z"></span>The ban is preposterous. The actions taken on Fram's talk page is beyond stupidity.<a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-WilliamJE-2019-06-11T15:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2019-06-11T15:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2019-06-11T15:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-06-11T14:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"></span>Note that I made no comment about the ban itself, nor about protection of the talk page. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z-Fram's_talk_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z"></span>Hi Andy, thanks for pointing this out. Our standard when placing an Office Action ban has been to blank user and talk pages, since the user is barred indefinitely from all projects and has no further need for those pages. We went with that standard when implementing this ban, too, but you have a good point about this case being different. We agree that there is no need to remove the archives from Fram’s talk page. We’re going to return the content to Fram’s talk page, with the ban notice at the top. When Fram returns from their ban in a year, they are free to decide what to do with the current contents of their talk, whether they wish to archive them or not. <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">WMFOffice</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T16:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T20:00:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. What I said should apply in the case of "all project" bans. The talk page often has contributions from other editors, in good standing, and that content should be archived, not deleted. An (unfortunate) analogy could be made with how we do that for the talk pages of deceased editors. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T20:00:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T20:00:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-2019-06-11T20:00:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2019-06-11T19:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page-Fram's_talk_pages-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"><span id="Discusison_of_the_ban.2C_not_the_talk_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page-Fram's_talk_pages-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"></span>Discusison of the ban, not the talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page-Fram's_talk_pages-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Discusison of the ban, not the talk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span>WMFOffice</a> you now suggest that Fram <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">is barred indefinitely from all projects </span>, right? Is that the same as indefinitely blocked? Or just banned? And when was Fram banned from "all projects"? I thought he was only banned from en.wiki? And did you know he's not even blocked there any more? Are you competent enough to do this job? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"></span>The Rambling Man</a> Just take a minute to re-read what WMFOffice posted. They're not suggesting Fram was banned from all projects, indefinitely. They are suggesting previous bans for those users who were banned from all projects (say Russavia) had their talk pages handled in this manner, and this precedent was employed here. <a href="/wiki/User:Nick" title="User:Nick">Nick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nick" title="User talk:Nick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span>There's no clarity at all. It's incompetence at its finest. When do we use terms like "barred"? I'm sorry, but the Office have shown themselves up here, and can't be trusted to make any serious decisions. Communication skills at an all-time low. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z-Nick-2019-06-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vermont-2019-06-12T01:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z"></span>The Rambling Man</a>, that term is perfectly acceptable, and I request you reread their comment as it is quite clear. <a href="/wiki/User:Vermont" title="User:Vermont">Vermont</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vermont" title="User talk:Vermont">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Vermont-2019-06-12T01:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vermont-2019-06-12T01:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vermont-2019-06-12T01:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-06-11T20:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span>WMFOffice, I AGFed you all for a little bit (as a former Arb I appreciate secrecy whenever it's necessary), but now I'm beginning to doubt whether y'all had a point in the first place, and even worse, whether you guys have any common sense at all: desysopping Floq was just a really boneheaded thing to do. This community was already pretty upset with you, and I wonder whether what you did just now has damaged things irreparably. It's really high time the mask came off and you started speaking openly and truthfully. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z"></span>What should they do, <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>, if Legal tells them to keep their mouths shut? As far as I've read on all of these many pages, Trust & Safety conducted an investigation and Executive and Legal issued the desysop/blocking order which the <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">WMFOffice</a> (whoever that is) carried out. I think we'd have more success contacting WMF Board members than convince WMFOffice to go against the wishes of THEIR bosses.</dd> <dd>I speak not as one who supports any of these actions but as someone who in the past has had to carry out the wishes of a superior that I personally didn't agree with. WMFOffice was convinced to restore Fram's archives by comments on this talk page but we are not going to convince them to undo blocks and desysops that have been sanctioned by Legal & Executive offices. I'm convinced that, ultimately, they didn't make the judgment call. It's above their pay grade. No offense to whoever you are, WMFOffice. By the way, who ARE you? <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z-Drmies-2019-06-12T02:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z"></span>I think they use the role account because the way the Internet is, a staff member would have received death threats by now. With that being said, I am not sure what was worse, superprotect or this (and I was a steward during superprotect). --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rs</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">chen</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">7754</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z-Liz-2019-06-12T03:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T14:54:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z"></span>User:Liz</a>, I understand what you're saying but it doesn't matter. A role account acts for the organization. Whether the role account is operated by a person who's lower in the hierarchy than others makes no difference; if they can <i>act</i> on something they should be able to <i>explain</i> something. A role account represents the entire organization, not a person, but it is operated by a person or persons who should know it's a two-way street. So we should hear, or have heard, from Legal etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Drmies-2019-06-12T14:54:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T14:54:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-2019-06-12T14:54:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2019-06-12T04:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span>Not that I'm telling you how to run things but would it not be more sensible to resysop Floq and atleast unprotect Frams talkpage so discussions can continue ?, Right now the only thing you guys are doing is adding fuel to the fire and escalating everything a 1000x worse,<br/> To my knowledge in the 6 years I've been here not one WMF block has even been overturned nor has a WMF block ever enraged 99.9% of the editors here .... surely that should be telling you something ? Like I said not telling you how to do your jobs but resysopping Floq and removing the protection from Frams tp would certainly help the situation here imho. –<a href="/wiki/User:Davey2010" title="User:Davey2010"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Davey</b></span><span style="color: orange;"><b>2010</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davey2010" title="User talk:Davey2010"><span style="color: navy;"><b>Talk</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z-Discusison_of_the_ban,_not_the_talk_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cassianto-2019-06-12T05:21:00.000Z-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z"></span>Re Floquenbeam, and Fram come to that. You are an absolute disgrace and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cassianto" title="User:Cassianto"><span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cassianto#top" title="User talk:Cassianto"><span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span></a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Cassianto-2019-06-12T05:21:00.000Z-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cassianto-2019-06-12T05:21:00.000Z-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cassianto-2019-06-12T05:21:00.000Z-Davey2010-2019-06-12T02:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries-General_Talk-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries-General_Talk-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"></span>Use of account for replies to queries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries-General_Talk-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Use of account for replies to queries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">This is a legitimate role account authorized by the Wikimedia Foundation to perform Office actions.</q> </p><p>The following are listed as the legitimate office actions: </p> <ul><li>Foundation global ban</li> <li>Temporary Foundation global ban</li> <li>Partial Foundation ban</li> <li>Foundation event ban</li> <li>DMCA compliance</li> <li>Child protection</li> <li>Secondary office actions</li> <li>Conduct warning</li> <li>Interaction ban</li> <li>Removal of advanced rights</li></ul> <p>I do not see included in this list the use of this account for responding to queries or posting in discussions. Where is such use authorised? · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z-Use_of_account_for_replies_to_queries"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carcharoth-2019-06-13T12:24:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"></span>Peter Southwood</a>, I agree. My reading of the policies is that the actions should be taken by the role account, and any onwiki responses about the actions of the account should be by an account tied to a named person. Of course, most of the responses about specific actions should be by email (to the address provided) rather than on-wiki to avoid privacy breaches. Onwiki responses should be to general non-specific queries about the function of the role account. If a 'committee' response needs to be posted, it should still be by a single named individual as the point of contact, with the phrase "on behalf of..." appended to the statement. <a href="/wiki/User:Carcharoth" title="User:Carcharoth">Carcharoth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carcharoth" title="User talk:Carcharoth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Carcharoth-2019-06-13T12:24:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carcharoth-2019-06-13T12:24:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carcharoth-2019-06-13T12:24:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-06-11T14:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!-General_Talk-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"><span id="Who_are_you.3F_Show_yourself.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!-General_Talk-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"></span>Who are you? Show yourself!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!-General_Talk-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Who are you? Show yourself!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!"></span>Who are you? Show yourself! <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminikuta" title="User:Benjaminikuta">Benjamin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benjaminikuta" title="User talk:Benjaminikuta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z-Who_are_you?_Show_yourself!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://i.imgflip.com/3394as.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"></span>https://i.imgflip.com/3394as.jpg</a> <span style="background:black;padding:1px 4px"><a href="/wiki/User:Salvidrim!" title="User:Salvidrim!"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:white">Ben · Salvidrim!</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salvidrim" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Salvidrim"><span style="color:white">✉</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-12T04:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:04:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"></span>Ha! Bravo! <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~<a href="/wiki/User:Awilley" title="User:Awilley">Awilley</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awilley" title="User talk:Awilley">talk</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:04:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:04:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:04:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-15T23:27:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for that, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Salvidrim!" title="User:Salvidrim!">Salvidrim!</a>:</span>. I have thoroughly enjoyed it, and posted it to r/wikipediamemes. <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminikuta" title="User:Benjaminikuta">Benjamin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benjaminikuta" title="User talk:Benjaminikuta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-15T23:27:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 15 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-15T23:27:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-06-15T23:27:00.000Z-Salvidrim-2019-06-12T04:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Block_lengths" data-mw-thread-id="h-Block_lengths-General_Talk-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Block_lengths-General_Talk-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"></span>Block lengths<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Block_lengths-General_Talk-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Block lengths"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z-Block_lengths"></span>Does your ban run to 10/6/20 or 12/06/20. By reblocking for a year instead of the original date you extended the block but your notice says the ban was for a year. Does this mean the ban expires 10/6/20 but Fran remains blocked until the 12th. You should clarify your intent as no-one is going to fix this for you either way. And honestly, it makes you look a bit incompetent when you screw up something as simple as this. <a href="/wiki/User:Spartaz" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Spartaz">Spartaz</a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spartaz" title="User talk:Spartaz">Humbug!</a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z-Block_lengths" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z-Block_lengths"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z-Block_lengths"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-07-06T23:53:00.000Z-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"></span>Was this ever clarified? <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminikuta" title="User:Benjaminikuta">Benjamin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benjaminikuta" title="User talk:Benjaminikuta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Benjaminikuta-2019-07-06T23:53:00.000Z-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-07-06T23:53:00.000Z-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benjaminikuta-2019-07-06T23:53:00.000Z-Spartaz-2019-06-12T05:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-General_Talk-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-General_Talk-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z"></span>Notice of noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-General_Talk-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Notice of noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fastily-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User:WMFOffice_-_Ban_Proposal" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">User:WMFOffice - Ban Proposal</a>". Thank you. —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fastily" title="User talk:Fastily"><span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';color:Indigo;font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-size:120%;">F</span><span style="font-size:90%;">ASTILY</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Fastily-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fastily-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fastily-2019-06-12T08:03:00.000Z-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="June_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-June_2019-General_Talk-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-June_2019-General_Talk-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"></span>June 2019<span data-mw-comment-end="h-June_2019-General_Talk-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: June 2019"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z-June_2019"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/25px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/38px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/50px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span></span> Please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">assume good faith</a> in your dealings with other editors, which you did not do on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram" title="Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram">Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram</a>. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. <i>Normally, I would give an account with only 91 edits a level 1 or 2 warning, but your unsubstantiated aspersions about respected users violates our policies and our trust. Furthermore, your actions are the direct or proximate cause of at least four respected admins being desysoped, which is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">disruptive</a>. </i> - <a href="/wiki/User:MrX" title="User:MrX">Mr</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrX" title="User talk:MrX">X</a> 🖋 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z-June_2019" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z-June_2019"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z-June_2019"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T13:13:00.000Z-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"></span>I'd just block them and be done with it, they created a helluva a lot bigger shitstorm then a fuck arbcom post ever could. Great job protecting the pedia by making it far worse. <a href="/wiki/User:Hell_in_a_Bucket" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hell in a Bucket">Hell in a Bucket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hell_in_a_Bucket" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hell in a Bucket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T13:13:00.000Z-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T13:13:00.000Z-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T13:13:00.000Z-MrX-2019-06-12T11:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions-General_Talk-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Office_actions.23Secondary_office_actions"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions-General_Talk-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions" title="Wikipedia:Office actions">Wikipedia:Office actions#Secondary office actions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions-General_Talk-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Office actions#Secondary office actions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions"></span>Regarding <a class="external text" href="https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=WMFOffice&page=User%3AFloquenbeam%40enwiki&wpdate=2019-06-12">your removal of Floquenbeam’s administrative rights</a>: <s>please explain how Floquenbeam’s unblock of Fram involves a <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">“major [breach] of trust performed by Wikimedia functionaries or other users with access to advanced tools that <b>[is] not possible to be shared with the Wikimedia communities due to privacy reasons</b> and therefore can not be handled through existing community governance mechanisms.” [emph. mine]</q> There was no privacy concern specific to Floquenbeam’s unblock. Accordingly, it appears that the desysop of Floquenbeam is a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFICE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFICE">WP:OFFICE</a> as “existing community governance mechanisms” could have handled the case.</s> <s>please advise who performed the desysop of Fram, who performed the desysop of Floquenbeam, or if not willing to disclose, who the line manager of this/these individuals operating the role account.</s> –<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><sup style="color:#000">talk</sup></a> 16:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC) updated –<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><sup style="color:#000">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Office_actions#Secondary_office_actions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno">Xeno</a>:</span> See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions#Who_performs_office_actions?" class="extiw" title="m:Office actions">m:Office_actions#Who_performs_office_actions?</a>. The original phrasing in that section is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Wikimedia administrators and others who have the technical power to revert or edit office actions are strongly cautioned against doing so. Unauthorized modifications to office actions will not only be reverted, but may lead to sanctions by the Foundation, such as revocation of the rights of the individual involved.</q> <span style="color:#b83903;">-★-</span> <a href="/wiki/User:PlyrStar93" title="User:PlyrStar93"><span style="color:#00709f;font-size=1.4em;"><b>PlyrStar93</b></span></a> <sub>→<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PlyrStar93" title="User talk:PlyrStar93"><span style="font-family:lucida fax;color:#000000;font-size=3em">Message me. </span></a>←</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for that pointer. It goes on to say <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">“When in doubt, community members should consult the Foundation member of staff that performed the office action, or their line manager.“</q> <s>Who performed the action, and who is their “line manager”? Who performed the desysop of Fram and who is their line manager? </s> –<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><sup style="color:#000">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z-PlyrStar93-2019-06-12T16:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T17:35:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z"></span>User:Xeno</a> this whole thing defies logic. I emailed them a few weeks back about a comment someone made trivializing rape and the response from Trust and Safety thought the community had things well in hand with a community block versus a siteban. Weird a fuck ′arbcom would raise to the bar but the other would not. <a href="/wiki/User:Hell_in_a_Bucket" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hell in a Bucket">Hell in a Bucket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hell_in_a_Bucket" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hell in a Bucket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T17:35:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T17:35:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hell_in_a_Bucket-2019-06-12T17:35:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-2019-06-13T18:16:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Question withdrawn. –<a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><sup style="color:#000">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Xeno-2019-06-13T18:16:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-2019-06-13T18:16:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-2019-06-13T18:16:00.000Z-Xeno-2019-06-12T16:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_be_careful" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_be_careful-General_Talk-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_be_careful-General_Talk-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"></span>Please be careful<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_be_careful-General_Talk-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Please be careful"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z-Please_be_careful"></span>...with how you proceed. I don't think a war between the Foundation and the volunteer administrators and editors who write and maintain Wikipedia is in anybody's best interest. I don't know Fram and I'm not familiar with whatever rules you're invoking to ban a long-term editor out of the blue without providing rationale or accountability, but I do suggest you rethink your approach. Desysopping respected admins like Floquenbeam isn't helping anything either. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~<a href="/wiki/User:Awilley" title="User:Awilley">Awilley</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awilley" title="User talk:Awilley">talk</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z-Please_be_careful" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z-Please_be_careful"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z-Please_be_careful"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"></span>I agree very much with that. I strongly suggest that what is most needed now is deescalation of the conflict, and that deescalation is more urgent than asserting organizational priority. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tryptofish" title="User:Tryptofish">Tryptofish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tryptofish" title="User talk:Tryptofish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z-Awilley-2019-06-12T19:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epipelagic-2019-06-16T07:25:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z"></span>I also agree very much with the above. Drop your masked corporate role account, and put faces to the people who are attacking the volunteers who write Wikipedia. Your organisation, which should be facilitating the writing of Wikipedia and behaving with some measure and dignity, has foolishly desysopped an admin as respected as Floquenbeam in what looks like a knee-jerk fit of administrative rage and overreach. As Tryptofish says, deescalation is more urgent now than asserting your organizational priority. --<a href="/wiki/User:Epipelagic" title="User:Epipelagic">Epipelagic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epipelagic" title="User talk:Epipelagic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Epipelagic-2019-06-16T07:25:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:25, 16 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epipelagic-2019-06-16T07:25:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epipelagic-2019-06-16T07:25:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2019-06-12T22:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request-General_Talk-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request-General_Talk-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Notification of ArbCom case request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request-General_Talk-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Notification of ArbCom case request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WJBscribe-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request"></span>You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Restoration_of_admin_permissions_to_Floquenbeam_by_WJBscribe" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Restoration of admin permissions to Floquenbeam by WJBscribe</a> and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration guide">guide to arbitration</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Arbitration_proceedings" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">Arbitration Committee's procedures</a> may be of use. </p><p>Thanks, <strong style="font-variant:small-caps"><a href="/wiki/User:WJBscribe" title="User:WJBscribe">WJBscribe</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WJBscribe" title="User talk:WJBscribe">(talk)</a></strong> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-WJBscribe-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WJBscribe-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WJBscribe-2019-06-13T00:04:00.000Z-Notification_of_ArbCom_case_request"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion-General_Talk-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion-General_Talk-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion-General_Talk-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Suggestion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vermont-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span>I suggest that, similar to with tech updates, any project affected by a WMF office action be informed of the action and any information the WMF Office is able to (legally speaking, to preserve privacy and such) provide on the project's version of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a>. This would likely significantly reduce conflict in the future by providing a WMF response and notice by default. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Vermont" title="User:Vermont">Vermont</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vermont" title="User talk:Vermont">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Vermont-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z-Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vermont-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z-Suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vermont-2019-06-13T02:20:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span>I would go further and recommend a separate notice board similar to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BN">WP:BN</a> like say <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WMF_Office_Noticeboard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WMF Office Noticeboard (page does not exist)">WP:WMF Office Noticeboard</a> for office actions that involve people with the English Wikipedia as their home Wiki. I would also recommend standard notices similar to the notices sent by Arb Com clerks after a decision has been finalized. I would think that would help with the communication issues. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dolotta" title="User:Dolotta">Dolotta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dolotta" title="User talk:Dolotta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-22T23:43:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vermont" title="User:Vermont">Vermont</a>:</span> what do you think about <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/WMF-community_trust_person" class="extiw" title="m:Requests for comment/WMF-community trust person">m:Requests for comment/WMF-community trust person</a>? Same question for WMFOffice. - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexis_Jazz" title="User talk:Alexis Jazz">Alexis Jazz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-22T23:43:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-22T23:43:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-22T23:43:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:53:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span>I would concur mostly the first proposal, as en.WP doesn't need yet another noticeboard. However, given the nature of some of these actions, I think the appropriate target venue would actually be ArbCom (perhaps via the arbcom-en mailing list), with ArbCom discretion has to how/whether/when the propagate that information further into the wiki. If the WMF issuances we're talking about are expected to be completely devoid of sensitive information already, then I would have no problem with it going to AN. PS: This really has nothing to do with "home wiki". If someone is an en.WP user at all, even if they also spend more time on pt.WP or Commons, these office action notices will still be pertinent at en.WP (maybe at all three of them, if it isn't a site-specific action). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> 😼 </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:53:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:53:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:53:00.000Z-Dolotta-2019-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea." data-mw-thread-id="h-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea.-General_Talk-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea.-General_Talk-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span>Role accounts that edit are a very bad idea.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea.-General_Talk-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Role accounts that edit are a very bad idea."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea."></span>Role accounts are a security and accountability problem. They have good uses for receiving information, but as actively editing and tool using accounts, they invite suspicion and distrust. </p><p>This account has made 47 edits on en.wikipedia.org and 449 global edits. Do you even have a record of who did these? </p><p>For so many reasons, one account per person is a better way to go. Use User:WMFOffice for Special:EmailUser/WMFOffice sure, but for actual editing and actions, use <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WMFOffice_(person_x)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WMFOffice (person x) (page does not exist)">User:WMFOffice (person x)</a>, for example. The unique identifier can be identifying or non-identifying. —<a href="/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z-Role_accounts_that_edit_are_a_very_bad_idea."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2019-06-15T02:30:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span>This would be consistent with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISU">WP:ISU</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-PaleoNeonate-2019-06-15T02:30:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 15 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2019-06-15T02:30:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2019-06-15T02:30:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span>For three months, <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">WMFOffice</a> desisted from editing, but subsequently resumed editing, and at a rate greater than ever before. Should this be read as a lack of respect for the community, specifically <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISU">WP:ISU</a>? —<a href="/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2019-06-15T00:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:42:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z"></span>I would tend to think so. It is trivially easy for WMF to assign User:WMFOffice024 or whatever accounts to their people, and preserve accountability. This could literally all be taken care of within a single hour. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> 😼 </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:42:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:42:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-24T14:42:00.000Z-SmokeyJoe-2020-06-30T08:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful." data-mw-thread-id="h-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful.-General_Talk-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z"><span id="Nobody_can.27t_say_I.27m_not_unhelpful."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful.-General_Talk-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z"></span>Nobody can't say I'm not unhelpful.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful.-General_Talk-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Nobody can't say I'm not unhelpful."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Alexis_Jazz/WMF_user_block_office_action" title="User:Alexis Jazz/WMF user block office action"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful."></span>I made a template to help you craft a mildly moderately informative user ban message!</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:Alexis_Jazz/WMF_user_block_office_action_preload">Click here to test it out in the sandbox.</a> I hope you find it useful. <abbr title="Awesome face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/18px-718smiley.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/27px-718smiley.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/36px-718smiley.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="733" data-file-height="733"/></span></span></abbr> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexis_Jazz" title="User talk:Alexis Jazz">Alexis Jazz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 17 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexis_Jazz-2019-06-17T01:11:00.000Z-Nobody_can't_say_I'm_not_unhelpful."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti-General_Talk-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FReversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti-General_Talk-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion of office actions">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion of office actions</a> resolved by motion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti-General_Talk-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion of office actions resolved by motion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradv-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti"></span>The Arbitration Committee has accepted the <i>WJBscribe</i> case request under the title <i>Reversion of office actions</i> and resolved it by <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/904853918#Reversion_of_office_actions_(II)" title="Special:PermanentLink/904853918">motion</a> as follows: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p><b>Community advised</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions" title="Wikipedia:Office actions">Office actions</a> are actions taken by Wikimedia Foundation staff, and are normally expected not to be reversed or modified by members of the community even if they have the technical ability to do so. In this case an office action was taken against <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fram" title="Special:Contributions/Fram">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Fram" title="Special:Log/block/Fram">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Fram" title="Special:Log/protect/Fram">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Fram" title="Special:Log/delete/Fram">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Fram" title="Special:Log/move/Fram">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Fram" title="Special:Log/rights/Fram">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Fram" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fram">RfA</a>)</span>, who was blocked and whose administrator rights were removed by the role account <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">User:WMFOffice</a> in implementing a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions#Primary_office_actions" class="extiw" title="m:Office actions">Partial Foundation ban</a> (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=WMFOffice&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=">[1]</a>). No similar action had been taken before on the English Wikipedia, and it proved <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRAM">highly controversial</a>. </p><p>In response, <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Contributions/Floquenbeam">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Log/block/Floquenbeam">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Log/protect/Floquenbeam">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Log/delete/Floquenbeam">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Log/move/Floquenbeam">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Floquenbeam" title="Special:Log/rights/Floquenbeam">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Floquenbeam" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Floquenbeam">RfA</a>)</span> and <a href="/wiki/User:Bishonen" title="User:Bishonen">Bishonen</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bishonen" title="User talk:Bishonen">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bishonen" title="Special:Contributions/Bishonen">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Bishonen" title="Special:Log/block/Bishonen">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Bishonen" title="Special:Log/protect/Bishonen">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Bishonen" title="Special:Log/delete/Bishonen">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Bishonen" title="Special:Log/move/Bishonen">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Bishonen" title="Special:Log/rights/Bishonen">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Bishonen" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bishonen">RfA</a>)</span> both used their administrator user rights to unblock Fram (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AFram&wpdate=&tagfilter=">[2]</a>). Floquenbeam's administrator rights were temporarily removed by <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">WMFOffice</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WMFOffice" title="Special:Contributions/WMFOffice">contribs</a>) (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram&diff=prev&oldid=901457495">[3]</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:WJBscribe" title="User:WJBscribe">WJBscribe</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WJBscribe" title="User talk:WJBscribe">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WJBscribe" title="Special:Contributions/WJBscribe">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/WJBscribe" title="Special:Log/block/WJBscribe">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/WJBscribe" title="Special:Log/protect/WJBscribe">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/WJBscribe" title="Special:Log/delete/WJBscribe">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/WJBscribe" title="Special:Log/move/WJBscribe">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/WJBscribe" title="Special:Log/rights/WJBscribe">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/WJBscribe" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/WJBscribe">RfA</a>)</span> used his bureaucrat rights first to restore Floquenbeam's administrator rights, and later to restore Fram's (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=WJBscribe&page=&wpdate=2019-06-25&tagfilter=&subtype=">[4]</a>). </p><p>Although <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions" class="extiw" title="meta:Office actions">official WMF policy</a> states that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Unauthorized modifications to office actions will not only be reverted, but may lead to sanctions by the Foundation, such as revocation of the rights of the individual involved</q>, <a href="/wiki/User:JEissfeldt_(WMF)" title="User:JEissfeldt (WMF)">JEissfeldt (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JEissfeldt_(WMF)" title="User talk:JEissfeldt (WMF)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JEissfeldt_(WMF)" title="Special:Contributions/JEissfeldt (WMF)">contribs</a>) indicated that the WMF would not implement further sanctions against the admins involved in reversing these actions (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=901860436">[5]</a>). In recognition of that decision, and of the exceptional nature of the circumstances, the committee notes without comment this series of events. The community is advised that administrators and bureaucrats are normally expected not to act when they know they do not have all of the relevant facts, and that this is especially important with regard to office actions where those facts may be highly sensitive. As a general rule, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHEEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHEEL">wheel warring</a> may be grounds for removal of administrative rights by the committee as well as by the WMF. Lack of sanctions under these exceptional circumstances should not set expectations around similar future actions. </p> </div> </div> <p>For the Arbitration Committee, – <a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv"><span style="color:#333"><b>brad<i>v</i></b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradv" title="User talk:Bradv"><span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Bradv-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradv-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradv-2019-07-05T02:18:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_moti"></span> </p> <dl><dd>Discuss this at: <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion_of_office_actions_resolved_by_motion" title="Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard">Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversion of office actions resolved by motion</a></b></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander-General_Talk-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander-General_Talk-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"></span>Cheeky Girls unreferenced apparent slander<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander-General_Talk-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Cheeky Girls unreferenced apparent slander"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander"></span>Hi WMFOffice. I am concerned at how difficult it is to have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Cheeky_Girls&type=revision&diff=909230425&oldid=909230264">this</a> edit reversed. Negative statements referenced in one case to the deprecated <i>Daily Mail</i> and in the other to nothing at all were removed per BLP but have been repeatedly restored. Appeals at WP:BLPN and WP:AN/I have not attracted any help at all. What would a court make of this? Is that really the only way to get action? <a href="/wiki/User:Softlavender" title="User:Softlavender">Softlavender</a> needs a talking to, as they have repeatedly restored poor material to articles (the above is a sample edit) and your community is dysfunctional in that it is not enforcing its supposed principles of "do no harm", WP:BLP or WP:DAILYMAIL. Is there anything you can do? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.120.40.196" title="Special:Contributions/69.120.40.196">69.120.40.196</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.120.40.196" title="User talk:69.120.40.196">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z-Cheeky_Girls_unreferenced_apparent_slander"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tryptofish-2019-08-04T19:50:00.000Z-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"></span>It appears that the IP who posted this message has been blocked, and the page history seems to show that the description above may not be entirely accurate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tryptofish" title="User:Tryptofish">Tryptofish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tryptofish" title="User talk:Tryptofish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Tryptofish-2019-08-04T19:50:00.000Z-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tryptofish-2019-08-04T19:50:00.000Z-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tryptofish-2019-08-04T19:50:00.000Z-69.120.40.196-2019-08-04T14:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tags_on_user_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tags_on_user_pages-General_Talk-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tags_on_user_pages-General_Talk-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"></span>Tags on user pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tags_on_user_pages-General_Talk-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Tags on user pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z-Tags_on_user_pages"></span>Hello Office person/people. I'd like to ask you a favour. It's something I've seen come up elsewhere previously.. When it comes to edits such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Joaquinito01&diff=943538207&oldid=814061339">this</a>, could you please consider, or provide a response to, the suggestion that you don't hide the sockpuppeter tags. Whilst we appreciate and respect the global office actions being taken, and don't in any way want to diminish their importance and prominence, if you want bans like this enforced by the volunteers on this wiki, if you want sockpuppets identified and reported, then some of the links provided by these templates are going to be useful in helping us do that. I think it's currently ambiguous whether this blanking of sockpuppet templates is an office action. If I receive no objections, then I'll consider that to be no objection to sometimes restoring these templates (in a secondary position to the template you've placed). Thanks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z-Tags_on_user_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z-Tags_on_user_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z-Tags_on_user_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">Zzuuzz</a>:</span> Let me ask about this in our operations meeting tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User:JSutherland (WMF)">Joe Sutherland (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User talk:JSutherland (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z-Zzuuzz-2020-06-27T08:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">Zzuuzz</a>:</span> Thanks for the flag. We spoke internally about this today and we agree in principle with this complaint. We've amended our process to blank all but the maintenance content when issuing global bans. Of course, there's always the possibility that we accidentally remove something used by volunteers for the purposes you describe, so by all means the community can feel free to add back templates or categories that may be useful for tracking abuse. Hope that makes sense and apologies for the inconvenience that may have been caused by this in the past. <a href="/wiki/User:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User:JSutherland (WMF)">Joe Sutherland (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User talk:JSutherland (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-29T23:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-30T17:13:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Joe, I appreciate the clarity. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-30T17:13:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-30T17:13:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-2020-06-30T17:13:00.000Z-JSutherland_(WMF)-2020-06-30T16:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021-General_Talk-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021-General_Talk-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 3 February 2021<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021-General_Talk-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Protected edit request on 3 February 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Change the email to <span class="nowrap">ca<span class="mw-no-invert"><span class="skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span title="@"><img alt="@" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/15px-At_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/23px-At_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/30px-At_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="145" data-file-height="145"/></span></span></span>wikimedia.org</span> and change the logo to <a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo_black.svg" title="File:Wikimedia-logo black.svg">File:Wikimedia-logo black.svg</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:1989" title="User:1989">1989</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1989" title="User talk:1989">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_3_February_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2021-02-03T17:32:00.000Z-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Done, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User:JSutherland (WMF)">Joe Sutherland (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JSutherland_(WMF)" title="User talk:JSutherland (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2021-02-03T17:32:00.000Z-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2021-02-03T17:32:00.000Z-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JSutherland_(WMF)-2021-02-03T17:32:00.000Z-1989-2021-02-03T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair" data-mw-thread-id="h-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair-General_Talk-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair-General_Talk-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"></span>Global lock request - <a href="/wiki/User:EvilLair" title="User:EvilLair">User:EvilLair</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair-General_Talk-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Global lock request - User:EvilLair"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair"></span>The user has a history of cyber-stalking on and off wiki. It is also evident that the culprit has a history of harassing a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl-EfOdIftKdvZOilWefHtA">YouTuber</a> with false DMCA copyright complaints. With such evidence, EvilLair should be declared inadmissible here. <a href="/wiki/User:VGPsports" title="User:VGPsports">VGPsports</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VGPsports" title="User talk:VGPsports">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z-Global_lock_request_-_User:EvilLair"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VGPsports" title="User:VGPsports">VGPsports</a>:</span> Hi there, please see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Global_Ban_Policy#Requesting_a_global_ban" class="extiw" title="meta:WMF Global Ban Policy">meta:WMF Global Ban Policy#Requesting a global ban</a> for more information on how to request an Office action. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">Wikimedia Foundation office</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z-VGPsports-2021-09-20T02:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T22:49:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:WMFOffice" title="User:WMFOffice">WMFOffice</a>:</span>: OK, got it, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:VGPsports" title="User:VGPsports">VGPsports</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VGPsports" title="User talk:VGPsports">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T22:49:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T22:49:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VGPsports-2021-09-20T22:49:00.000Z-WMFOffice-2021-09-20T22:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende" data-mw-thread-id="h-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende-General_Talk-20230412145400"><span id="Ph.E1.BA.A1m_V.C4.83n_R.E1.BA.A1ng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende-General_Talk-20230412145400"></span>Phạm Văn Rạng and Legende Legende Legende<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende-General_Talk-20230412145400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Phạm Văn Rạng and Legende Legende Legende"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.89.100.11-20230412145400-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende"></span>Would you mind if you ban all two users by the Wikimedia Foundation? The sockpuppets of the said two are keeping emerging. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.89.100.11" title="Special:Contributions/174.89.100.11">174.89.100.11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.89.100.11" title="User talk:174.89.100.11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-174.89.100.11-20230412145400-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.89.100.11-20230412145400-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.89.100.11-20230412145400-Phạm_Văn_Rạng_and_Legende_Legende_Legende"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Heavy_Water-20230414031700-174.89.100.11-20230412145400"></span>See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Global_Ban_Policy#Requesting_a_global_ban" class="extiw" title="metawiki:WMF Global Ban Policy">here for global ban requests</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Heavy_Water" title="User:Heavy Water">Heavy Water</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Heavy_Water" title="User talk:Heavy Water">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Heavy_Water-20230414031700-174.89.100.11-20230412145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heavy_Water-20230414031700-174.89.100.11-20230412145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heavy_Water-20230414031700-174.89.100.11-20230412145400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MidAtlanticBaby" data-mw-thread-id="h-MidAtlanticBaby-General_Talk-20241203083700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MidAtlanticBaby-General_Talk-20241203083700"></span>MidAtlanticBaby<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MidAtlanticBaby-General_Talk-20241203083700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: MidAtlanticBaby"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241203083700-MidAtlanticBaby"></span>Thank you. After a multitude of declined unblocks and a myriad of sock puppets, user wanted to know how to get in touch with y'all. The result is happy making. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#c-Deepfriedokra-20241203083700-MidAtlanticBaby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241203083700-MidAtlanticBaby"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241203083700-MidAtlanticBaby"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&oldid=1260921629">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WMFOffice&oldid=1260921629</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 December 2024, at 08:37<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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