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This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines">Wikipedia's policies or guidelines</a>, as it has not been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Levels_of_consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">thoroughly vetted by the community</a>. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints.</div></div></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:INDENT"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcut</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:INDENT&amp;redirect=no">WP:INDENT</a></span></li></ul></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Good indentation</b> makes prolonged <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">discussions</a> easier to read and understand. It might be helpful to think of discussions as reports with numbered/bulleted sections and subsections where material is not necessarily written in chronological order. </p><p>Although this example page about how to indent is an <i>essay</i>, the use of normal indentation <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Layout" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">is a behavioural <i>guideline</i></a> that editors are expected to follow. Such guidelines <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines">may be enforced by administrative action</a>, especially when other editors have been unable to persuade an individual to abide by them. The guideline should never be used to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers">bite</a> newcomers who don't know how to indent properly, but experienced users are expected to comply with it, to facilitate <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages#Indentation" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">threaded discussion</a> on talk pages. </p><p>This essay only applies to talk pages. Because of differing <a href="/wiki/Cascading_Style_Sheets" class="mw-redirect" title="Cascading Style Sheets">Cascading Style Sheets</a> between talk pages and other pages, the techniques described in this page are likely to work poorly in other kinds of pages. </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indentation_examples" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indentation_examples"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indentation_examples"></span>Indentation examples<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indentation_examples"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Indentation&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Indentation examples"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Indentation_examples","replies":[]}}--></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236090951"><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: <a href="/wiki/Help:List" title="Help:List">Help:List</a></div> <p>In these examples the boldface line is the most recently added comment. </p><p><b>1.</b> Your reply to a particular comment should be indented beneath that comment. Indents are achieved by typing one or more leading colon <code><b>:</b></code> characters at the very left margin, just before the text you add. In the following example, a single colon was typed just before the "Me too" text of the second comment: </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :'''Me too.''' --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><b>Me too.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1260720223">.mw-parser-output div.template-markup-wrapper>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output div.template-markup-wrapper>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}.mw-parser-output .template-markup{margin:0;border:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap}.mw-parser-output code.template-markup{padding:0}.mw-parser-output pre.template-markup{padding:2px 0 0}</style></blockquote> <p><span class="anchor" id="example2"></span> <b>2.</b> If you want to reply to a comment, but another editor has already done so, just position your own text beneath that other editor's reply, at the same indentation level: </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :Me too. --~~~~ :'''Me three!''' --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Me too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd> <dd><b>Me three!</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Carlos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 13:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1260720223"></blockquote> <p>Note that there is no blank line between comments, and if you reply using multiple paragraphs, use the colons before the blank line between paragraphs (see <a href="/wiki/MOS:LISTGAP" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:LISTGAP">MOS:LISTGAP</a> for explanation). </p><p><b>3.</b> Your response to a reply should be positioned below that reply, but above any later responses that were made to a <i>different</i> comment. In the following, Alice has done so, using two leading colon characters to indicate that she's responding to the reply made by Bob: </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :Me too. --~~~~ ::'''I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob.''' --~~~~ :Me three! --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Me too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd><b>I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> 14:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Me three! --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Carlos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 13:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1260720223"></blockquote> <p>Again, there is no blank line between comments. </p><p><b>4.</b> If you want to introduce a new topic that <u>is</u> still closely related to the one already under discussion, you should add it at the very bottom of the section, below all the previous comments on the original topic, without indenting it at all: </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :Me too. --~~~~ ::I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --~~~~ :Me three! --~~~~ ::I thought you didn't like indentation either, Carlos. --~~~~ :::I thought that too, Alice. --~~~~ '''Good spelling and grammar are important on talk pages.''' --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Me too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Me three! --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Carlos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 13:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I thought you didn't like indentation either, Carlos. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I thought that too, Alice. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Dan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 15:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b>Good spelling and grammar are important on talk pages.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Erin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 11:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC) </p> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1260720223"></blockquote> <p><b>5.</b> When you want to introduce a new topic that is <strong>not</strong> closely related to the one already under discussion in a talk-page section, then it's usually best to create an entirely new section or subsection on the talk page for that purpose. You can find out how to do that by reading about "Headings and subheadings" on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting">this page</a> of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Tutorial">concise tutorial for new users</a>. It's also helpful to create new headings and subheadings, as needed, for very long discussion; doing so gives editors the ability to edit only <i>sections</i> of the page, reducing the chance of <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit-conflicts</a> that would otherwise occur when two users try to contribute to the same page at the same time. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Outdenting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Outdenting"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Outdenting"></span>Outdenting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Outdenting"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Indentation&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Outdenting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Outdenting","replies":[]}}--></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1252059228"><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:OUTDENT"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcut</a></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:OUTDENT&amp;redirect=no">WP:OUTDENT</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <p>Sometimes, a long discussion can cause indentation to become too deep, which can make it difficult to read in narrower browser windows. When it does, you should consider <i>outdenting</i> your next comment. When you do that, it's helpful to make clear what you're doing: The templates <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Outdent" title="Template:Outdent">outdent</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Outdent2" title="Template:Outdent2">outdent2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> exist for this purpose. You can use either one, and they can also be employed by their equivalent "shortcut" names of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Od" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Od">od</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Od2" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Od2">od2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, respectively. </p><p>In the examples below, the user adding the final comment has typed the characters of the template, including its "braces", at the left margin, below the preceding comment, and just ahead of the text they entered for their own comment: </p><p><b>Example of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Outdent" title="Template:Outdent">outdent</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></b> </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :Me too. --~~~~ ::I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --~~~~ :::Well I sure don't. --~~~~ ::::I can take it or leave it. --~~~~ {{od|::::}}'''I like it, but not too much.''' --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Me too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Well I sure don't. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Carlos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:32, 1 February 2011 <dl><dd>I can take it or leave it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Dan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><b>I like it, but not too much.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Erin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC) </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1260720223"></blockquote> <p><b>Example of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Outdent2" title="Template:Outdent2">outdent2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></b> </p> <blockquote> <table style="margin-top:0;margin-left:0; border-width:medium; padding:0;"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Markup</th> <th scope="col" style="width:50%;">Renders as </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div class="template-markup-wrapper"><pre style="" class="template-markup">I think good indentation is very helpful. --~~~~ :Me too. --~~~~ ::I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --~~~~ :::Well I sure don't. --~~~~ ::::I can take it or leave it. -—~~~~ {{od2}}'''I like it, but not too much.''' --~~~~</pre></div> </td> <td style="background:#f8f9fa; background:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base, #000); border:1px solid #eaecf0; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"><div style="" class="template-markup-wrapper"> <p>I think good indentation is very helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Me too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Bob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 12:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I thought you didn't like indentation, Bob. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Alice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Well I sure don't. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Carlos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 14:32, 1 February 2011 <dl><dd>I can take it or leave it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Dan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="outdent-template">(<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Outdenting">←</a>) </span><b>I like it, but not too much.</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Erin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Example" title="User talk:Example">talk</a>) 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC) </p> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td> <td style="border-width:1px;border-style: none none none;border-color:#ddd; padding:5px; vertical-align:top;"> </td></tr></tbody></table><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1260720223"></blockquote> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_kind_of_markup_is_this,_anyway?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_kind_of_markup_is_this,_anyway?"><span id="What_kind_of_markup_is_this.2C_anyway.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_kind_of_markup_is_this,_anyway?"></span>What kind of markup is this, anyway?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_kind_of_markup_is_this,_anyway?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Indentation&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: What kind of markup is this, anyway?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-What_kind_of_markup_is_this,_anyway?","replies":[]}}--></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236090951"><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks" title="Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks">Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks</a></div> <p>This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikitext" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Wikitext">wikitext</a>. Wikipedia has never had a set of markup specifically designed for use in talk pages. Editors appropriated markup that was intended for other purposes for use in talk pages. There was a project, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Flow" title="Wikipedia:Flow">Flow</a>, intended to view and contribute to talk pages, but this project was uninstalled from English Wikipedia in November 2016, by request of the community. </p><p>The appropriated markup is intended for <a href="/wiki/Help:List" title="Help:List">lists</a>. Perhaps the most common departure from proper list markup is the use of <code><b>:</b></code>. In definition lists, a <code><b>;</b></code> at the beginning of the line indicates a term which is to be defined, and <code><b>:</b></code> at the beginning of the next line indicates the definition of the term. But in talk pages <code><b>;</b></code> is seldom used. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="See_also" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_also"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-See_also"></span>See also<span data-mw-comment-end="h-See_also"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Indentation&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: See also"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-See_also","replies":[]}}--></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_talk_pages/Old_layout_page" title="Help:Introduction to talk pages/Old layout page">Help:Introduction to talk pages/Old layout page</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages#Indentation" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">Help:Using talk pages#Indentation</a>, a proposal from 2006 for each party in a discussion to use a different indentation level</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette" title="Wikipedia:Etiquette">Wikipedia:Etiquette</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Lists" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility">Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Lists</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk_pages#Indenting" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk pages">Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk pages#Indenting</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines/Archive_3#On_indentation_styles_and_HTML_generation." title="Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines/Archive 3">Talk page guidelines archive</a> for the effect of various wikicode indentation styles on the HTML output.</li></ul> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐int.codfw.main‐84487f74fd‐plv85 Cached time: 20250220141342 Cache expiry: 2592000 Reduced expiry: false Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.013 seconds CPU time usage: 0.268 seconds Real time usage: 0.324 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 3879/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 62220/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 13456/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 14/100 Expensive parser function count: 4/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 10238/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.138/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 3246209/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 277.364 1 -total 46.71% 129.568 6 Template:Markup 43.00% 119.266 6 Template:For_loop 26.39% 73.185 120 Template:Item 20.52% 56.915 1 Template:Essay 18.36% 50.933 2 Template:Short_description 16.73% 46.411 1 Template:Ombox 12.36% 34.287 2 Template:Pagetype 9.41% 26.086 1 Template:Ombox/shortcut 5.82% 16.147 1 Template:For --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:13005577:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20250220141342 and revision id 1258229141. 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