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id="c-StevenJ81-2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z"></span>This is a <a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects" title="Proposals for closing projects">proposal for closing and/or deleting</a> a wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is subject to the current <a href="/wiki/Closing_projects_policy" title="Closing projects policy">closing projects policy</a>.</span> </p> <hr/> <p><span style="font-size:110%;">The proposal is <b>rejected</b> and the project will be kept open.</span> </p> <ul><li>A Language Committee member provided the following comment: <div style="margin-left:2em; font-style:italic;">There is no consensus at LangCom to close this project. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-StevenJ81-2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z","author":"StevenJ81","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-StevenJ81-2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-04-23T17:10:00.000Z"></span></div></li></ul> <hr/> <ul><li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Type:</i> 1 (routine proposal)</li> <li><i>Proposed outcome:</i> closure</li> <li><i>Proposed action regarding the content:</i> should be transferred to <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Incubator" title="Wikimedia Incubator">Wikimedia Incubator</a></li> <li><i>Notice on the project:</i> <a href="https://mg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vaovao#Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks" class="extiw" title="mg:Wikipedia:Vaovao">Malagasy Wikipedia</a> and <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/mg:Fampahafantarana#Closure" class="extiw" title="b:mg:Fampahafantarana">Malagasy Wikibooks</a></li> <li><i>Informed Group(s):</i> <i>(Which <a href="/wiki/Chapters_per_Wikimedia_language" title="Chapters per Wikimedia language">chapters</a>, wiki projects, and other community groups have been informed, if any.)</i></li></ul> </div> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #f5f3ef; overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa"> <dl><dd><i>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:#FF0000"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl> <p>Lack of content and activity is obvious in this project. No. of <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/mg:Manokana:Pejy_rehetra" class="extiw" title="b:mg:Manokana:Pejy rehetra">all pages</a> is lees than 50. <a href="/wiki/User:Doostdar" title="User:Doostdar">Doostdar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doostdar" title="User talk:Doostdar">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","author":"Doostdar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/mg:Fandraisana" class="extiw" title="b:mg:Fandraisana"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Malagasy Wikibooks</a> has less than 15 content pages. Considering the structure of WB that doesn't seem to be enough even for 1 book. Some short pages are created by IP's like <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/mg:Vavaka" class="extiw" title="b:mg:Vavaka"><span style="color:red;">this</span></a>. It's not clear if the content is useful for the project or not. The project doesn't have any admins and in the last month less than <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/mg:Manokana:Mpikambana_mavitrika" class="extiw" title="b:mg:Manokana:Mpikambana mavitrika">5 users</a> have had edits, each of them less than 5 edits. --<a href="/wiki/User:Doostdar" title="User:Doostdar">Doostdar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doostdar" title="User talk:Doostdar">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Doostdar","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z"></span>User:Jagwar</a> is the one person who seems to have been at least a little active on this project over time. Even if it has been about 1.5 years since Jagwar has made an edit on the Wikibooks project, s/he remains active on Malagasy Wikipedia. So I think I'd rather ask that user to clean up anything that really doesn't belong. Now that SWMT and edit filters minimize real spam on sparsely edited projects, LangCom tends to prefer to leave things open, in case people wish to become more active in the future.</dd> <dd>In any case, let's see how this discussion plays out. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z","author":"StevenJ81","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z"></span>I confirm to have been the only person on that wiki to have made a significant contribution in ten years. It is a really sad thing to write, but yeah, the wiki is pretty much dormant. That being written, vandalism on the wiki is also non-existent and leaving it open won't do any harm to global admins. As of content, I think prayers can have their right to be written in there too the same way recipes do. <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #FF0000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar"><font color="#0000FF">Jagwar</font></a> </span></b></small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jagwar" title="User talk:Jagwar">grrr...</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Jagwar","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T19:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar">Jagwar</a>:</span> In general, the policy of Wikibooks is that contents must be instructional/pedagogical. See <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F#What_Wikibooks_includes" class="extiw" title="b:Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?">b:Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?#What Wikibooks includes</a> and <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/fr:Wikilivres:Pr%C3%A9sentation#●_Wikilivres_accueille_les_travaux_originaux_seulement_s'ils_font_partie_d'un_livre_pédagogique" class="extiw" title="b:fr:Wikilivres:Présentation">b:fr:Wikilivres:Présentation#● Wikilivres accueille les travaux originaux seulement s'ils font partie d'un livre pédagogique</a>, for example. Certainly the English Wikibooks even contains things that are arguably educational texts that come from a specific religious point of view—for example, <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Passover_Haggadah" class="extiw" title="b:Passover Haggadah">b:Passover Haggadah</a> is an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover_haggadah" class="extiw" title="en:Passover haggadah">Haggadah</a>. The boundary is not sharp. Still, recipes are (of course) instructional, while an outright prayer (of the type you wrote) is not, in my opinion. So you should remove it.</dd> <dd>I'd also request that you pay a visit to the Wikibooks project at least once a month and make sure that it stays vandalism-free. I can't require that, I'm just asking as a favor to the project.</dd> <dd>That said, if there is no evidence of vandalism on the project, then there is no policy reason to close it. Again, let's see how this discussion plays out. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z","author":"StevenJ81","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-21T21:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z"></span>You have a point. I am not a local admin though so I will just blank the page. <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #FF0000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar"><font color="#0000FF">Jagwar</font></a> </span></b></small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jagwar" title="User talk:Jagwar">grrr...</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 22 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Jagwar","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-21T22:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. I will put a request at <a href="/wiki/SRM" class="mw-redirect" title="SRM">SRM</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z","author":"StevenJ81","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-22T18:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z"></span>Deleted. —<a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" title="User:MarcoAurelio">MarcoAurelio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarcoAurelio" title="User talk:MarcoAurelio">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z","author":"MarcoAurelio","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2018-02-22T18:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span>I'm going to <b>support</b> the closure of this project. While StevenJ81 is right that filters prevent most vandalism, you still have to keep an eye or two at things, and we have lots of other stuff to do. Nothing prevents IMHO importing further content from the Incubator to the Wikibooks project should in the future be any content. At this moment, I'm afraid, the project does not have content and it is therefore <i>closeable</i> per policy. If in the interim there are further contributions I'd say to keep it open, but if the situation is not going to change, I'd say close it, resume work on the Incubator and then export/import. Thanks. —<a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" title="User:MarcoAurelio">MarcoAurelio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarcoAurelio" title="User talk:MarcoAurelio">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z","author":"MarcoAurelio","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z"></span>Wikibooks projects have common problems. There are some disorders in choosing which content is suitable for the project, how long each page should be, who can and who should edit the content on professional books, etc. In some cases you see a book with a good contents outline but full of red links without any content. These makes Wikibooks a complicated project which is not good for languages which lack a massive online population. That's why I have requested for deletion of several Wikibooks projects by now. --<a href="/wiki/User:Doostdar" title="User:Doostdar">Doostdar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doostdar" title="User talk:Doostdar">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Doostdar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doostdar-2018-02-22T22:19:00.000Z-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-22T19:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> While in general inactive should not be the only reason to close a project, it gives me a little trouble on Wikidata maintaining too, as by typing "ma" the interface gives me Malagasy first and blue shown (i.e. by clicking Enter button, I will enter a link entry for Malagasy wiki), but I should be expected to type Malay instead. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z","author":"Liuxinyu970226","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z"></span>How would you expect language names to be sorted? <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #FF0000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar"><font color="#0000FF">Jagwar</font></a> </span></b></small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jagwar" title="User talk:Jagwar">grrr...</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 23 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Jagwar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-02-23T15:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z"></span><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Comment"><img alt="Comment" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Anyway, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Alno" title="User:Alno">Alno</a>:</span> (another mgwiki sysop) what's your opinion on this proposal? --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z","author":"Liuxinyu970226","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-02-23T19:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z"></span>Hi there, well, if a migration to the incubator of mg:wikibooks is straightforward and allows current contributors to continue to add content to it, I won't oppose to the proposal. I am technically an admin on mg:wiki as I am a potential task force to help them in case of emergency. I know <a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar">Jagwar</a> from a long time now and he does an incredible work to develop mg:wiki since he has arrived on the project; he can be trusted about his will to handle vandalism and while the pressure is low he certainly can do that, but more eyes and hands at work would be something good for all... I know that's not really a strong <b>Support</b> but at least I've expressed my advice and I hope that <a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar">Jagwar</a> won't be angry after me for my position :) -- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Utilisateur:Alno" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Utilisateur:Alno">AlNo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Alno" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Alno">(talk)</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z","author":"Jagwar","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2018-03-06T13:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alno" title="User:Alno">Alno</a>:</span> No worries, I'm not angry. I have to confess that I can't be everywhere at once; and while I can react swiftly to vandalism I also have other commitments in life. Anyway, it's good to see you still around as well after all those years :) <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #FF0000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:Jagwar" title="User:Jagwar"><font color="#0000FF">Jagwar</font></a> </span></b></small><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jagwar" title="User talk:Jagwar">grrr...</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Jagwar","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jagwar-2018-03-08T22:44:00.000Z-Jagwar-2018-03-07T09:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Strong support"><img alt="Strong support" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Strong support</b> Just it is no changes in one day seldom. So, this will be delete. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Alno" title="User:Alno">Alno</a>:</span> comment it for this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga" title="User:Cyrus noto3at bulaga"><font color="green" face="Segoe Script">Cyrus noto3at bulaga</font></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga" title="User talk:Cyrus noto3at bulaga"><font color="black" face="Freestyle Script, Segoe Script">Talk to me</font></a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z","author":"Cyrus noto3at bulaga","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2018-04-06T02:00:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> While I agree that <b>absence</b> of content since wiki creation would be a reason for closure, I don't <b>see</b> absence of content. Those seven sections on Python (I've counted the four pages of Python/Teny as one section) are content enough for me to oppose their transfer to the incubator. While seven sections may not make a complete book, they are an excellent example of how to go about WikiBooks in a language of wider communication. Imho, such an example should not be buried in the incubator but should be easy to find on its own project site. --<a href="/wiki/User:Baba_Tabita" title="User:Baba Tabita">Baba Tabita</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baba_Tabita" title="User talk:Baba Tabita">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks#c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z","author":"Baba Tabita","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baba_Tabita-2018-04-15T11:13:00.000Z-Doostdar-2018-02-20T13:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl></div> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.canary‐58c94bbd4d‐s5l7n Cached time: 20241114191737 Cache expiry: 2592000 Reduced expiry: false Complications: [] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.021 seconds CPU time usage: 0.092 seconds Real time usage: 0.114 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 412/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 3601/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 475/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 8/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.013/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1023411/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 62.608 1 -total 39.83% 24.935 1 Template:Discussion_top 39.34% 24.631 9 Template:Langswitch 16.87% 10.562 4 Template:Ping 7.62% 4.770 2 Template:Support 7.39% 4.628 1 Template:Oppose 6.07% 3.798 1 Template:Strong_support 5.94% 3.722 1 Template:Discussion_bottom 5.85% 3.660 1 Template:Comment 5.76% 3.606 1 Template:Red --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key metawiki:pcache:idhash:10557914-0!canonical and timestamp 20241114191737 and revision id 24932985. 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