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<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vitis_vinifera" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vitis_vinifera-20240123101600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vitis_vinifera-20240123101600"></span>Vitis vinifera<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vitis_vinifera-20240123101600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Vitis vinifera"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Andyboorman-20240123181300-RLJ-20240123114800">10 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240123101600-Vitis_vinifera"></span>Do you support the current accepted synonymy for this taxon? WS support for the subspecies seems to be at odds with the current thinking for non-cultivated plants. At the moment I am concentrating on adding the Chinese accepted mames, but need to have a look at the European and American species in due course. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240123101600-Vitis_vinifera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240123101600-Vitis_vinifera"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240123101600-Vitis_vinifera"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240123114800-Andyboorman-20240123101600"></span>The lumper is POWO (without source), not Hassler (<i>V. v.</i> subsp. <i>sylvestris</i> as <i>V. gmelinii</i>). It is distinguished from the cultivated taxon by diecy, by different leaf, fruit and seed characters. The wild taxon is endangered e.g. in Germany. I think the scientific non-recognition is contraproductive for its protection. I don't think there is any consensus about merging, and I would prefer keeping these two taxa separate. --<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240123114800-Andyboorman-20240123101600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240123114800-Andyboorman-20240123101600"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240123114800-Andyboorman-20240123101600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240123181300-RLJ-20240123114800"></span>As an instinctive lumper, we can always find differences in natural variety after all, I distrust unnatural divisions not supported by distinct evidence. The pages of taxonomic treatises are full of infraspecific and generic names that are no longer used. The only more or less current primary source that covers this is Ardenghi et al. (2014) and they are very unsupportive, it is worth a read. I take your point, about protection of a few genotypes, but I am not convinced. I will not engage in any edit wars. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240123181300-RLJ-20240123114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240123181300-RLJ-20240123114800"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240123181300-RLJ-20240123114800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Information_sources_and_some_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Information_sources_and_some_help-20240205040400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Information_sources_and_some_help-20240205040400"></span>Information sources and some help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Information_sources_and_some_help-20240205040400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Information sources and some help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Andyboorman-20240206132800-RLJ-20240205121400">10 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AbeCK-20240205040400-Information_sources_and_some_help"></span>Hi, <a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a>, I wanna ask you some help about something. Lately, I've seen how you have modified some pages created by me and you have taken a look at others and corrected them for the better, either due to my interference or that of other users (which, by the way, I must thank you for your work, keep it up), but I need your help to do better my modifications and future pages, so, I don't know if could you help me with the sources you use to modify, expand, and contrast the synonymy of the species I modify or make. for example, sometimes POWO, GBIF or Catalogue of Life aren't enough, and I should compare Wikipedias in other languages, check the species sources, etc. like some synonyms in <i><a href="/wiki/Hepatica_nobilis" title="Hepatica nobilis">Hepatica nobilis</a></i> or <i><a href="/wiki/Paliurus_spina-christi" title="Paliurus spina-christi">Paliurus spina-christi</a></i>(which are species where I've edited and you've enriched their synonymy), I hope you could help me, thank you and greetings. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AbeCK&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AbeCK (page does not exist)">AbeCK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AbeCK" title="User talk:AbeCK">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-AbeCK-20240205040400-Information_sources_and_some_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AbeCK-20240205040400-Information_sources_and_some_help"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AbeCK-20240205040400-Information_sources_and_some_help"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240205121400-AbeCK-20240205040400"></span>Hello <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AbeCK&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AbeCK (page does not exist)">AbeCK</a>, thank you very much for your inquiry! Apart from POWO (which is very useful and influential, but should not be confused with the bible; it is not always consensus, not always error-free (missing basionyms, homotypic names), not complete for synonyms and with a preference for house publications), you can use <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.worldplants.de">WorldPlants</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tropicos.org/name/Search">Tropicos</a>, or national checklists like the French <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.tela-botanica.org/flore/france-metropolitaine/">Tela Botanica</a> or the German <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.kp-buttler.de/florenliste/index.htm">Florenliste</a>. New and old literature like taxonomic revisions or floras (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org">https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.org/">https://archive.org/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es">https://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/sch-ru.htm">https://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/sch-ru.htm</a>) may also be useful. Be aware that the taxonomic circumscription may vary from publication to publication. Best wishes, --<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240205121400-AbeCK-20240205040400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240205121400-AbeCK-20240205040400"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240205121400-AbeCK-20240205040400"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240206132800-RLJ-20240205121400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AbeCK&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AbeCK (page does not exist)">AbeCK</a>:</span> FYI. <i><a href="/wiki/Callistemon" title="Callistemon">Callistemon</a></i> is found as a synonym of <i><a href="/wiki/Melaleuca" title="Melaleuca">Melaleuca</a></i> in most secondary databases and sources. However, this is only partially accepted by the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://biodiversity.org.au/nsl/services/search/taxonomy?product=APC&tree.id=51209179&name=Callistemon&inc._scientific=&inc.scientific=on&inc._cultivar=&max=100&display=apc&search=true">Australian Plant Census</a>, where they note that some states accept the synonymy and others do not, but still keep its page. The Australian public are very unhappy about this and are ambivalent. I propose that WS follow the science, but add a note and perhaps a disputed tag and will edit very soon. My garden Callistemons are doing well fingers crossed. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240206132800-RLJ-20240205121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240206132800-RLJ-20240205121400"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240206132800-RLJ-20240205121400"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vitis_vinifera_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vitis_vinifera_2-20240205190900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vitis_vinifera_2-20240205190900"></span>Vitis vinifera<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vitis_vinifera_2-20240205190900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Vitis vinifera"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MPF-20240208085000-Andyboorman-20240207191600">10 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>12 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240205190900-Vitis_vinifera_2"></span>Hello also <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a>:</span> I have added a note on <i><a href="/wiki/Vitis_vinifera" title="Vitis vinifera">Vitis vinifera</a></i> page explaining the problem and potential of accepting the two subspecies circumscription. If WS keeps this circumscription then I think we must transfer all the synonymy on <a href="/wiki/Vitis_vinifera_subsp._vinifera" title="Vitis vinifera subsp. vinifera">Vitis vinifera subsp. vinifera</a> to the yet to be created <a href="/wiki/Vitis_vinifera_subsp._sylvestris" title="Vitis vinifera subsp. sylvestris">Vitis vinifera subsp. sylvestris</a>. Thoughts please. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240205190900-Vitis_vinifera_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240205190900-Vitis_vinifera_2"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240205190900-Vitis_vinifera_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPF-20240205195300-Andyboorman-20240205190900"></span>I'd be happy with dumping subsp. <i>sylvestris</i> as a synonym - <a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPF" title="User talk:MPF">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-MPF-20240205195300-Andyboorman-20240205190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPF-20240205195300-Andyboorman-20240205190900"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPF-20240205195300-Andyboorman-20240205190900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240205212800-MPF-20240205195300"></span>All the current synonymy of <i>Vitis vinifera</i> subsp. <i>vinifera</i> as presented here clearly belongs to the cultivated taxon. Maybe some relate to cultivars of hybrid origin.--<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240205212800-MPF-20240205195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240205212800-MPF-20240205195300"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240205212800-MPF-20240205195300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240206080900-RLJ-20240205212800"></span>Thanks for checking through that. I had started, but thanks again! <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240206080900-RLJ-20240205212800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240206080900-RLJ-20240205212800"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240206080900-RLJ-20240205212800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240206151000-Vitis_vinifera_2"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a>:</span> & also <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AbeCK&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AbeCK (page does not exist)">AbeCK</a>:</span> here with reference to your sources discussion above. My work to date on <i><a href="/wiki/Vitis_vinifera" title="Vitis vinifera">Vitis vinifera</a></i> finds very little agreement with respect to infraspecifics across the secondary sources on the links. I have added two primary sources, but can find more if you advise this would strengthen the page. I am happy to go with consensus with respect to the subspecies and create <i>Vitis vinifera</i> subsp. <i>sylvestris</i>. Please advise <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240206151000-Vitis_vinifera_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240206151000-Vitis_vinifera_2"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240206151000-Vitis_vinifera_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPF-20240206172300-Andyboorman-20240206151000"></span>I see that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ww2.bgbm.org/EuroPlusMed/PTaxonDetail.asp?NameCache=Vitis%20vinifera">Euro+Med</a> as well as POWO treat <i>Vitis vinifera</i> as monotypic. I would guess the basic point in question, is whether any cultivated derivative of a wild plant (nothotaxa derived from two or more taxa presumably excepted) can be considered distinct at an ICN taxonomic rank as opposed to an ICNCP rank; many (me included!) would say not.</dd> <dd>As an aside, it would be nice (even despite it being named from a cultivated plant) to find a photo of a wild plant to illustrate the page. - <a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPF" title="User talk:MPF">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-MPF-20240206172300-Andyboorman-20240206151000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPF-20240206172300-Andyboorman-20240206151000"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPF-20240206172300-Andyboorman-20240206151000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240206201900-MPF-20240206172300"></span>It is also rather ironic that the cultigen becomes an autonym. Presumably this is what Hassler was trying to avoid. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240206201900-MPF-20240206172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240206201900-MPF-20240206172300"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240206201900-MPF-20240206172300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPF-20240206204900-Andyboorman-20240206201900"></span>Quite likely! It is very far from the only case; the same probably applies to most major crop species. Among the conifers that I know better than other groups, the type of <i><a href="/wiki/Cephalotaxus_harringtonia" title="Cephalotaxus harringtonia">Cephalotaxus harringtonia</a></i> is a fastigiate cultivar, and (IIRC) the type of <i><a href="/wiki/Chamaecyparis_pisifera" title="Chamaecyparis pisifera">Chamaecyparis pisifera</a></i> is a juvenile-foliage cultivar. - <a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPF" title="User talk:MPF">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-MPF-20240206204900-Andyboorman-20240206201900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPF-20240206204900-Andyboorman-20240206201900"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPF-20240206204900-Andyboorman-20240206201900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240207085000-MPF-20240206204900"></span>WS does have pages for cultigens, for example <i><a href="/wiki/Citrus" title="Citrus">Citrus</a></i>, <a href="/wiki/Triticum_aestivum" title="Triticum aestivum">Triticum aestivum</a> and <a href="/wiki/Camellia_sinensis" title="Camellia sinensis">Camellia sinensis</a>. The pages do need a little more work. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240207085000-MPF-20240206204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240207085000-MPF-20240206204900"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240207085000-MPF-20240206204900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240207191600-MPF-20240206204900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a>:</span> I have started the page <a href="/wiki/Vitis_vinifera_subsp._sylvestris" title="Vitis vinifera subsp. sylvestris">Vitis vinifera subsp. sylvestris</a>, if you would like to have a look and add date, re-edit and so on. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240207191600-MPF-20240206204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240207191600-MPF-20240206204900"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240207191600-MPF-20240206204900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPF-20240207210900-Andyboorman-20240207191600"></span>Thanks for the ping! Nothing really to add, except in the synonyms, to query whether a taxon named "<i>sativa</i>" (sweet) would really refer to an unselected wild plant, rather than a cultivated selection? - <a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPF" title="User talk:MPF">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-MPF-20240207210900-Andyboorman-20240207191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPF-20240207210900-Andyboorman-20240207191600"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPF-20240207210900-Andyboorman-20240207191600"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPF-20240208085000-Andyboorman-20240207191600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a>:</span> You were correct I checked through the references and according to DC it is cultivated. <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-MPF-20240208085000-Andyboorman-20240207191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPF-20240208085000-Andyboorman-20240207191600"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPF-20240208085000-Andyboorman-20240207191600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cirsium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cirsium-20240611142400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cirsium-20240611142400"></span>Cirsium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cirsium-20240611142400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Cirsium"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Andyboorman-20240611142400-Cirsium">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240611142400-Cirsium"></span>Hello. I noticed you have done some edits on the above genus. I am not sure that the sectional classification has validity, as there are no sources. In addition, <i><a href="/wiki/Cirsium_vulgare" title="Cirsium vulgare">Cirsium vulgare</a></i> is placed in <i>Cirsium</i> sect. <i>Epitrachys</i> = <i><a href="/wiki/Lophiolepis" title="Lophiolepis">Lophiolepis</a></i>, but this species is retained in <i>Cirsium</i>. Edits are clearly needed. Can you help? Please also look at the discussions starting here <a class="external text" href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman#Synonyms">here</a> before I possibly migrate them to the Pump. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240611142400-Cirsium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240611142400-Cirsium"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240611142400-Cirsium"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BPH_abbreviations" data-mw-thread-id="h-BPH_abbreviations-20240616113800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BPH_abbreviations-20240616113800"></span>BPH abbreviations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BPH_abbreviations-20240616113800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: BPH abbreviations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-RLJ-20240616151800-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800-BPH_abbreviations"></span>Hello RLJ. I've seen that over the years you've added the parameter "BPH abbreviation" to our journal pages. Just to be sure: I guess you are referring to <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q43150264" class="extiw" title="d:Q43150264">Botanico Periodicum Huntianum <small>(Q43150264)</small></a>. Or have I misunderstood? :-) Kind regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Tommy_Kronkvist" title="User:Tommy Kronkvist">Tommy Kronkvist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tommy_Kronkvist" title="User talk:Tommy Kronkvist">talk</a>), <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800-BPH_abbreviations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800-BPH_abbreviations"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800-BPH_abbreviations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240616151800-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800"></span>Hello Tommy, yes, BPH relates to Botanico Periodicum Huntianum, first published in book form (1968, supplement: 1991. second edition: 2004). This is the work from which IPNI took the standard. Kind regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240616151800-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240616151800-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240616151800-Tommy_Kronkvist-20240616113800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPNI_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPNI_templates-20240711192000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPNI_templates-20240711192000"></span>IPNI templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPNI_templates-20240711192000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: IPNI templates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pigsonthewing-20241117172900-RLJ-20240711200000">23 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000-IPNI_templates"></span>Please stop adding redundant data to IPNI templates, as you did in <a class="external text" href="https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=A.J.F.M._Dekker&diff=prev&oldid=9653472">this edit</a> (which I have reverted) and have dome repeatedly to the same and other biographical pages. The template is designed to pull in such data automatically from Wikidata, and does so prefectly well. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000-IPNI_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000-IPNI_templates"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000-IPNI_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240711200000-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000"></span>Hi Andy, I disagree. Wikispecies is no front-end of Wikidata; content (the standard form is important content, no facultative content as that delivered by Taxonbar or Authority control) should stand word by word in the article. It should be taken from the original source and not from another wiki. The matter should be further discussed in the pump. --<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240711200000-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240711200000-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240711200000-Pigsonthewing-20240711192000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241117172900-RLJ-20240711200000"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikispecies:Administrators%27_Noticeboard#Use_of_Wikidata" title="Wikispecies:Administrators' Noticeboard">Wikispecies:Administrators' Noticeboard#Use of Wikidata</a>. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Pigsonthewing-20241117172900-RLJ-20240711200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241117172900-RLJ-20240711200000"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241117172900-RLJ-20240711200000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_Link_Preferences" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_Link_Preferences-20240715191400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_Link_Preferences-20240715191400"></span>My Link Preferences<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_Link_Preferences-20240715191400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: My Link Preferences"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Andyboorman-20240715191400-My_Link_Preferences">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240715191400-My_Link_Preferences"></span>I add the page link to the Reference citation for the protologue, as it makes my data entries on INPI a lot easier. Therefore I would appreciate you not adding the link exclusively to the Name Section with a delete to the Reference Section. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240715191400-My_Link_Preferences" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240715191400-My_Link_Preferences"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240715191400-My_Link_Preferences"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="nadi" data-mw-thread-id="h-nadi-20240725131500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-nadi-20240725131500"></span>nadi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-nadi-20240725131500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: nadi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Andyboorman-20240725172100-RLJ-20240725140000">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240725131500-nadi"></span>I thought it was praxis to use italics for Regional and bold for Continental in the nadi template. There are literally hundreds if not thousands that use this format, as opposed to your preferences. This, of course, is not important, as it has only minor relevance to taxonomy and classification and could be just seen as minor Editor personal preference unless there has been consensus on the Pump. Best regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240725131500-nadi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240725131500-nadi"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240725131500-nadi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20240725140000-Andyboorman-20240725131500"></span>Examples? Here are some examples for the opposite from other users which I have not edited: <a href="/wiki/Cirsium_tepehuanense" title="Cirsium tepehuanense">Cirsium tepehuanense</a>, <a href="/wiki/Neottia_cordata" title="Neottia cordata">Neottia cordata</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nepenthes_abgracilis" title="Nepenthes abgracilis">Nepenthes abgracilis</a>, and one from me: <a href="/wiki/Salvia" title="Salvia">Salvia</a>. Until today I have never seen italics in nadi templates, and this is obviously not praxis. -<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20240725140000-Andyboorman-20240725131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20240725140000-Andyboorman-20240725131500"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20240725140000-Andyboorman-20240725131500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20240725172100-RLJ-20240725140000"></span>I agree it is a personal preference. I usually do not bother with it and will now continue not to do so. Back to taxonomy and literature. Following these I have a side project which I am going to concentrate on and that is adding names to IPNI, which helps place protologues on WS taxon pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20240725172100-RLJ-20240725140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20240725172100-RLJ-20240725140000"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20240725172100-RLJ-20240725140000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-bot-20241126191300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-bot-20241126191300"></span>bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-bot-20241126191300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RLJ&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: bot"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-RLJ-20241127204200-Andyboorman-20241127185800">13 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20241126191300-bot"></span>Is it you or your bot removing volume numbers from Sp. Pl. in the name section? I think IPNI is correct not POWO. I will continue following IPNI in my edits and re-edits. Best regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20241126191300-bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20241126191300-bot"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20241126191300-bot"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20241127183100-Andyboorman-20241126191300"></span>Hi Andy, I am sorry. I am rather neutral towards the volume numbers of <i>Species Plantarum</i>. Both options are possible, because the pagination in <i>Species Plantrum</i> is continuous. So I geneerally let it as it is. --<a href="/wiki/User:RLJ" title="User:RLJ">RLJ</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-RLJ-20241127183100-Andyboorman-20241126191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLJ-20241127183100-Andyboorman-20241126191300"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLJ-20241127183100-Andyboorman-20241126191300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andyboorman-20241127185800-RLJ-20241127183100"></span>And I look at IPNI as the main authority and follow its example. I add them when I am editing or creating pages so get a bit miffed when I am reverted. No problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyboorman" title="User:Andyboorman">Andyboorman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyboorman" title="User talk:Andyboorman">talk</a>) <a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RLJ#c-Andyboorman-20241127185800-RLJ-20241127183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andyboorman-20241127185800-RLJ-20241127183100"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andyboorman-20241127185800-RLJ-20241127183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLJ-20241127204200-Andyboorman-20241127185800"></span>That may be IPNI's ambition, but look <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ipni.org/?q=Tabl.%20Encycl.">here</a>, for example, with a mixture of Roman and Arabic numerals, missing volume numbers, missing years etc. Or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ipni.org/?page=18&q=name%20author%3AL.%7Cpublished%3A1753">here</a>, partly with "Sp. Pl.", partly with "Sp. Pl. 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