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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Superman_Returns_Sequel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Superman_Returns_Sequel-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Superman_Returns_Sequel-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"></span>Superman Returns Sequel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Superman_Returns_Sequel-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Superman Returns Sequel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z-Superman_Returns_Sequel"></span>Regarding the Untitled Superman Returns Sequel, calling it Superman VI is premature at this time, as such, I'd like to simpy call it 'untitled superman returns sequel', so as to not start a false rumor, nor create duplicating pages.<a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z-Superman_Returns_Sequel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z-Superman_Returns_Sequel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z-Superman_Returns_Sequel"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-05T04:53:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"></span>I agree, calling it "Superman VI" makes Superman Returns seem like a sequel to IV. I've shortened it to "Untitled Sequel" just for space constraints in the box (It's in the "Brandon Routh" section so it should be obvious it's a sequel to SR) - this is similar to how I shortened <a href="/wiki/Superman:_The_Animated_Series" title="Superman: The Animated Series">Superman: The Animated Series</a> to just "Animated Series". —<a href="/wiki/User:EatMyShortz" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EatMyShortz">EatMyShortz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-05T04:53:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-05T04:53:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-05T04:53:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-07-04T16:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Official_film_continuity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Official_film_continuity-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Official_film_continuity-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"></span>Official film continuity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Official_film_continuity-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Official film continuity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z-Official_film_continuity"></span>OK, we've had two goes in the past few days at adding some indication of which films are in the "Official Film Continuity" - I deleted the first one but I'll discuss this newer, less intrusive one (asterisks). But to discuss: What <i>is</i> "official" film continuity? Both times, it's been marked as Superman, Superman II and Superman Returns. I'd say that's Bryan Singer's "official continuity" but just because SR retconned Superman III and IV doesn't mean they are no longer "official" sequels to S1 and S2. You could just as easily argue that Superman I-IV are "official" and SR is not. I am not trying to bash SR or Bryan Singer, I'm just saying there is really no "official" continuity and it isn't really necessary for us to highlight this controversial discussion in what is supposed to be a simple links box. —<a href="/wiki/User:EatMyShortz" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EatMyShortz">EatMyShortz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z-Official_film_continuity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z-Official_film_continuity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z-Official_film_continuity"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"></span>I agree. Where is it cited that those films are the "offical" film canon? And do we care enough to list this in a infobox? Remove any mention of "Offical Continuity" and remove the asterisks. <a href="/wiki/User:Colonial_One" title="User:Colonial One">Colonial One</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z-EatMyShortz-2006-07-16T16:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhindle_The_Red-2006-07-27T16:20:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. It's meaningless.<a href="/wiki/User:Rhindle_The_Red" title="User:Rhindle The Red">Rhindle The Red</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Rhindle_The_Red-2006-07-27T16:20:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhindle_The_Red-2006-07-27T16:20:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhindle_The_Red-2006-07-27T16:20:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-22T04:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Superpup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Superpup-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Superpup-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z"></span>Superpup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Superpup-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Superpup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z-Superpup"></span>Not going to start an edit type thing, but in light of the otherwise thorough job done here, and the relatively significant nature of Superpup with regard to George Reeves' series and death, i think that including it under the 'other' category isn't thoroughly inappropriate.<a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z-Superpup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z-Superpup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-07-22T03:38:00.000Z-Superpup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where's_Dean?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where's_Dean?-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"><span id="Where.27s_Dean.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Where's_Dean?-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span>Where's Dean?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Where's_Dean?-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Where's Dean?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z-Where's_Dean?"></span>All the other major actor who have portrayed Superman are in here, but how can we fit in <a href="/wiki/Dean_Cain" title="Dean Cain">Dean Cain</a>? Not under the <i>Films</i> section, but I think he should a mention. Perhaps reformating the <i>Films</i> section and having a new <i>Actors</i> section, or something like that? Thoughts? --<a href="/wiki/User:Colonial_One" title="User:Colonial One">Colonial One</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z-Where's_Dean?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z-Where's_Dean?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z-Where's_Dean?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-26T14:34:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span>I don't think so. The only reason George Reeves got listed was for the Mole Men serial, not for the TV show. Likewise, Gerard Christpoher and the other guy haven't been listed for their Superboy roles. Dean Cain's work is fully detailed under the entry for his series. Remember, this is a template for Superman, not for actors who've portrayed Superman. <a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-07-26T14:34:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-07-26T14:34:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-07-26T14:34:00.000Z-Colonial_One-2006-07-26T07:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Matching_with_Template:The_Batman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"></span>Matching with <a href="/wiki/Template:Batman" title="Template:Batman">Template:The Batman</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Matching with Template:The Batman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman"></span>I've made a set of edits to reduce the unwieldy size of this to match the style after a large number of edits made at <a href="/wiki/Template:The_Batman" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:The Batman">Template:The Batman</a>. Since that page was originally modelled on this one, it makes sense to match this one to that one. Hope no body worked to hard on this one. <a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z-Matching_with_Template:The_Batman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"></span>Some background: ThuranX recently created <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:The_Batman" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:The Batman">The Batman</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> on the model of this template. When editors more familiar with the Batman articles than this original edited it, he became upset (see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:The_Batman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:The Batman (page does not exist)">Template talk:The Batman</a>), and edited this template to match "the same mess you've made" the Batman template. I don't think that's necessary: as Emerson said, "<a href="/wiki/Self-Reliance" title="Self-Reliance">a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds</a>" — not that I'm calling ThuranX a "little mind", just saying that there's no need for the two templates to match point-for-point. The histories of Superman and Batman are different, and the templates should reflect that. At least, that's my opinion. —<a href="/wiki/User:Josiah_Rowe" title="User:Josiah Rowe">Josiah Rowe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josiah_Rowe" title="User talk:Josiah Rowe">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Josiah_Rowe" title="Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T18:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z"></span>more background. All edits to the batman template were made either without REAL discussion, or with none. where My input was given, it was disregarded. Discussion consisted of 'post to talk page regarding change, make change to page, change talk page to claim done as per talk page discussion', often in a period of a minute or three. Given that the ddraconian nature of the edits was clear, it only makes logical sense to stop fighting and assimilate. Thus, I have contributed to this page by making it like the other page. less bulky, less information oriented, and more streamlined. Perhaps my last edit of useless dead peopel seemed snarky to Josiah Rowe. In accordance with his critique, I have reverted the page to the last 'good' edit to match the Batman template.<a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z-Josiah_Rowe-2006-08-06T19:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z"></span>Just like the Batman template this one is also bloated, there should only be four sections on this template: Heroes, Supporting Characters, Villains & Locations. Why are there Canceled, Alternate versions, Broadcast, Live Action and Other Media sections on a comics template? Use those to make a separate "Superman Media" template and focus this one more on comics. Also in my opinion you should get rid of the Comics and Storylines sections they aren't needed. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Basique&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Basique (page does not exist)">Basique</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:45:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"></span>Alright, I'll go ahead and do that. <a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:45:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:45:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T19:45:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T20:05:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"></span>This is insane. First MiB reverts my edits, then he does EXACTLY what I did, calls MY version POV, and claims his is good? This is Orwellian. <a href="/wiki/User:ThuranX" title="User:ThuranX">ThuranX</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T20:05:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T20:05:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThuranX-2006-08-06T20:05:00.000Z-Basique-2006-08-06T19:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Navbox_Guidelines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Navbox_Guidelines-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Navbox_Guidelines-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z"></span>Navbox Guidelines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Navbox_Guidelines-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Navbox Guidelines"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Basique-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z-Navbox_Guidelines"></span>Please follow this link <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/templates/navboxes" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes</a> to join in on the discussion . --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Basique&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Basique (page does not exist)">Basique</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Basique-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z-Navbox_Guidelines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Basique-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z-Navbox_Guidelines"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Basique-2006-08-07T12:08:00.000Z-Navbox_Guidelines"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="animated_series" data-mw-thread-id="h-animated_series-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-animated_series-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z"></span>animated series<span data-mw-comment-end="h-animated_series-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: animated series"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z-animated_series"></span>We have a listing for the Legion cartoon; should the Superfriends/Justice League cartoons be on as well? Or should any of them be there? --<a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGriswold" title="User:ChrisGriswold">Chris Griswold</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGriswold" title="User talk:ChrisGriswold"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_contributions:ChrisGriswold&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User contributions:ChrisGriswold (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">☓</span></a></big>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z-animated_series" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z-animated_series"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-16T18:27:00.000Z-animated_series"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Media" data-mw-thread-id="h-Media-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Media-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Media<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Media-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Media"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z-Media"></span>Split the "other media" appearances of Superman into its own infobox: <a href="/wiki/Template:Superman_in_other_media" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Superman in other media">Template:Superman in other media</a>. The media information wasn't relevant to many Superman-related articles (characters, for example). - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z-Media" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z-Media"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z-Media"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-17T08:57:00.000Z-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Good job. --<a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGriswold" title="User:ChrisGriswold">Chris Griswold</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGriswold" title="User talk:ChrisGriswold"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_contributions:ChrisGriswold&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User contributions:ChrisGriswold (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">☓</span></a></big>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-17T08:57:00.000Z-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-17T08:57:00.000Z-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGriswold-2006-10-17T08:57:00.000Z-Jc37-2006-10-16T21:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_width" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_width-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_width-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Template width<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_width-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Template width"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doczilla-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z-Template_width"></span>We're discussing standardization of the Batman/Superman templates at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Batman#Template_width" title="Template talk:Batman">Template_talk:Batman#Template_width</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Doczilla" title="User:Doczilla">Doczilla</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Doczilla-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z-Template_width" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doczilla-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z-Template_width"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doczilla-2006-10-24T22:09:00.000Z-Template_width"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Standards_for_inclusion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Standards_for_inclusion-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Standards_for_inclusion-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"></span>Standards for inclusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Standards_for_inclusion-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Standards for inclusion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"></span>I thought I'd start a category where we would discuss the standards for inclusion of items in the Superman navbox. I dropped <a href="/wiki/Livewire_(DC_Comics)" title="Livewire (DC Comics)">Livewire</a> from and added <a href="/wiki/Prankster" class="mw-disambig" title="Prankster">Prankster</a> to the list of villains under the principle that any character listed under "Villains" in the Superman navbox should be listed among Superman's "Major Enemies" on the <a href="/wiki/List_of_Superman_enemies" title="List of Superman enemies">List of Superman enemies</a>, which is linked in the navbox from the <a href="/wiki/List_of_Superman_enemies" title="List of Superman enemies">Villains</a> header. Earlier, I removed <a href="/wiki/Volcana_(DC_Comics)" title="Volcana (DC Comics)">Volcana</a> both based on this principle, and on the understanding that the Superman navbox is oriented toward the comic book version(s) of the character, and therefore should not include characters who haven't appeared in the comics. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2008-05-02T01:56:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"></span>I just undid several additions to the navbox by an IP-only editor for reasons explained in the tag added to the edit. Please note that the villains and supporting characters listed in the template should be major characters in the Superman comic-book mythos. <a href="/wiki/Mala_(Kryptonian)" title="Mala (Kryptonian)">Mala</a>'s historical importance as Superman's first Kryptonian foe to appear in comics (in 1950) notwithstanding, he appears in only a couple comics, and then fades into history. Phantom Zone villains other than Zod are covered in the <a href="/wiki/Phantom_Zone" title="Phantom Zone">Phantom Zone</a> page, linked via the Phantom Zone villains listing. <a href="/wiki/Mercy_Graves" title="Mercy Graves">Mercy Graves</a> is Luthor's henchwoman and hardly rises to the level of major villain. Also, there is separate navbox for Superman in other media, so the movie-only villain Nuclear Man should not be listed here either. I've kept Bibbo for now; I'm undecided about whether he's really a major enough character for the navbox. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderboy12" title="User talk:Spiderboy12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2008-05-02T01:56:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2008-05-02T01:56:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2008-05-02T01:56:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-09-14T14:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"></span>I can't edit right now because I am not established enough yet, but I really think <a href="/wiki/Chloe_Sullivan" title="Chloe Sullivan">Chloe Sullivan</a> should not be listed in the characters section, as she is a character that is specific to Smallville, and has never appeared in the comics. I'd like to see <a href="/wiki/Cat_Grant" title="Cat Grant">Cat Grant</a> in the navbox instead. Also has anyone considered making a third section of characters? Since the villians have their own section, may I suggest a section be made called "Heroes & Allies" which would have Superman, Superboy, the various Supergirls, Steel, Eradicator, Gangbuster, Krypto etc. Then the villian section, and finally rename the remaing section "Supporting Characters", and put Jimmy, Perry, Cat, Lana, Ma & Pa, etc. there. Just a suggestion <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Firestorm566&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Firestorm566 (page does not exist)">Firestorm566</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firestorm566" title="User talk:Firestorm566">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z-Standards_for_inclusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2008-06-01T04:44:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z"></span>Agreed about Chloe, and I just removed her. I don't agree about Cat Grant. Though I like the character, I think if we include her, we should include a number of supporting characters of similar stature, such as Morgan Edge, Steve Lombard (who's also coming back into the comics!), Lucy Lane, Dan Turpin, Inspector Henderson, Maggie Sawyer, Susie Tompkins (an oldie but a goodie!), and so forth. The idea is to keep the template list to a small number of major characters. There's plenty of room for debate about individual characters, of course. As for the split between "Heroes & Allies" and "Supporting Characters", I don't really see the need. The "Characters" list is short enough not to cause any confusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderboy12" title="User talk:Spiderboy12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2008-06-01T04:44:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2008-06-01T04:44:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2008-06-01T04:44:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2008-05-31T16:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_Storylines_section?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_Storylines_section?-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"><span id="Remove_Storylines_section.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_Storylines_section?-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"></span>Remove Storylines section?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_Storylines_section?-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Remove Storylines section?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z-Remove_Storylines_section?"></span>Because so many story arcs could potentially be included in the Superman navbox, I suggest removing the Storylines section completely. Instead, add a link for the "Storylines" category to Miscellanea, and also include perhaps "Origin of Superman" and "Death of Superman", because the "Origin" is really ubiquitous to any version of Kal-El and not a storyline per se, and "Death of Superman" may be the best-known comic book story arc, period. Don't get me wrong; I love the Alan Moore-scripted "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and the various recent arcs added by <a href="/wiki/User:Brown_Shoes22" title="User:Brown Shoes22">Brown Shoes22</a>, but I'm not sure that they belong in a navigation template of limited size. Rather, they should be added to the Superman Storylines category, if they are not already present. Anyone else have any thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z-Remove_Storylines_section?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z-Remove_Storylines_section?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z-Remove_Storylines_section?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"></span>Remove that section. The recent addition of numerous stories makes it clear that there is insufficient way to agree on which storylines belong there. <a href="/wiki/User:Doczilla" title="User:Doczilla">Doczilla</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T03:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z"></span>Refactored the section, which should help. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z-Doczilla-2007-10-22T07:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T16:05:00.000Z-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z"></span>Good move, <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T16:05:00.000Z-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T16:05:00.000Z-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2007-10-22T16:05:00.000Z-Jc37-2007-10-22T13:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recolor_template?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recolor_template?-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"><span id="Recolor_template.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recolor_template?-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"></span>Recolor template?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recolor_template?-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Recolor template?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span>I've noticed that a lot of superhero templates have been recolored to match the character's costume (i.e. <a href="/wiki/Template:Spider-Man" title="Template:Spider-Man">Template:Spider-Man</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Captain_America" title="Template:Captain America">Template:Captain America</a>). Would anyone be opposed to a Red, Blue and Yellow theme for the Superman template?--<a href="/wiki/User:Darknus823" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Darknus823">Darknus823</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknus823" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Darknus823">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z-Recolor_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J_Greb-2008-06-09T02:15:00.000Z-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"></span>You mean like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Thor" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Thor">Thor</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? Though that may be a little confusing. - <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">J Greb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J_Greb" title="User talk:J Greb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-J_Greb-2008-06-09T02:15:00.000Z-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J_Greb-2008-06-09T02:15:00.000Z-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J_Greb-2008-06-09T02:15:00.000Z-Darknus823-2008-06-09T02:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyperzoanoid-2009-10-03T02:33:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span>How about this one? <a href="/wiki/User:Hyperzoanoid" title="User:Hyperzoanoid">Hyperzoanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyperzoanoid" title="User talk:Hyperzoanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Hyperzoanoid-2009-10-03T02:33:00.000Z-Recolor_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyperzoanoid-2009-10-03T02:33:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyperzoanoid-2009-10-03T02:33:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span> </p> <div class="navbox-styles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J_Greb-2009-10-03T03:37:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span><style 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Comics)">Atlas</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Atomic_Skull" title="Atomic Skull">Atomic Skull</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Bizarro" title="Bizarro">Bizarro</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Black_Zero" title="Black Zero">Black Zero</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Bloodsport_(comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Bloodsport (comics)">Bloodsport</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Brainiac_(comics)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Brainiac (comics)">Brainiac</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Bruno_Mannheim" title="Bruno Mannheim">Bruno Mannheim</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Codename:_Assassin" title="Codename: Assassin">Codename: Assassin</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Composite_Superman" title="Composite Superman">Composite Superman</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Conduit_(comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Conduit (comics)">Conduit</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Darkseid" title="Darkseid">Darkseid</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doomsday (comics)">Doomsday</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Equus_(comics)" title="Equus (comics)">Equus</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/La_Encantadora" class="mw-redirect" title="La Encantadora">Encantadora</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Faora" title="Faora">Faora</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/General_Zod" title="General Zod">General Zod</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Gog_(comics)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Gog (comics)">Gog</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Hank_Henshaw" title="Hank Henshaw">Hank Henshaw</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Imperiex" title="Imperiex">Imperiex</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Intergang" title="Intergang">Intergang</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Jax-Ur" title="Jax-Ur">Jax-Ur</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Kryptonite_Man" class="mw-redirect" title="Kryptonite Man">Kryptonite Man</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Lex_Luthor" title="Lex Luthor">Lex Luthor</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Livewire_(DC_Comics)" title="Livewire (DC Comics)">Livewire</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Mala_(Kryptonian)" title="Mala (Kryptonian)">Mala</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Maxima_(comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Maxima (comics)">Maxima</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Metallo" title="Metallo">Metallo</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Mongul" title="Mongul">Mongul</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Morgan_Edge" title="Morgan Edge">Morgan Edge</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk" title="Mister Mxyzptlk">Mr. Mxyzptlk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Non_(DC_Comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Non (DC Comics)">Non</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Parasite_(comics)" title="Parasite (comics)">Parasite</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Prankster_(DC_Comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Prankster (DC Comics)">Prankster</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Quex-Ul" title="Quex-Ul">Quex-Ul</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Silver_Banshee" title="Silver Banshee">Silver Banshee</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Superboy-Prime" title="Superboy-Prime">Superboy-Prime</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Titano" title="Titano">Titano</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Toyman" title="Toyman">Toyman</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Ultra-Humanite" title="Ultra-Humanite">Ultra-Humanite</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Ultraman_(comics)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Ultraman (comics)">Ultraman</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Ursa_(comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Ursa (comics)">Ursa</a></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%;background-color: #0000FF;"><span style="color:#FF0000">Locations</span></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Daily_Planet" title="Daily Planet">Daily Planet</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude" title="Fortress of Solitude">Fortress of Solitude</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Kandor" class="mw-disambig" title="Kandor">Kandor</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Krypton_(comics)" title="Krypton (comics)">Krypton</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Metropolis_(comics)" title="Metropolis (comics)">Metropolis</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Phantom_Zone" title="Phantom Zone">Phantom Zone</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Smallville_(comics)" title="Smallville (comics)">Smallville</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Suicide_Slum" class="mw-redirect" title="Suicide Slum">Suicide Slum</a></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%;background-color: #0000FF;"><span style="color:#FF0000">History and themes</span></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Origin_of_Superman" title="Origin of Superman">Origin</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/History_of_Superman" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Superman">History of Superman</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Superman_logo" title="Superman logo">Symbol</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Powers and abilities of Superman (page does not exist)">Powers</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Kryptonite" title="Kryptonite">Kryptonite</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Superman_character_and_cast" title="Superman character and cast">Character and cast</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Relationship_of_Clark_Kent_and_Lois_Lane" class="mw-redirect" title="Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane">Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane</a></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%;background-color: #0000FF;"><a href="/wiki/List_of_Superman_comics" title="List of Superman comics"><span style="color:#FF0000"><i>Publications</i></span></a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><small><b>Current: </b></small><i><a href="/wiki/Action_Comics" title="Action Comics">Action Comics</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Adventure_Comics#Revival" title="Adventure Comics">Adventure Comics (vol. 2)</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Superman_(comic_book)" title="Superman (comic book)">Superman</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Superman/Batman" title="Superman/Batman">Superman/Batman</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Superman:_World_of_New_Krypton" title="Superman: World of New Krypton">Superman: World of New Krypton</a></i><br /> <small><b>Former: </b></small><i><a href="/wiki/Adventure_Comics" title="Adventure Comics">Adventure Comics</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/All_Star_Superman" class="mw-redirect" title="All Star Superman">All Star Superman</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/DC_Comics_Presents" title="DC Comics Presents">DC Comics Presents</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Superman_(vol._2)" class="mw-redirect" title="Superman (vol. 2)">Superman (vol. 2)</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Superman:_The_Man_of_Steel" title="Superman: The Man of Steel">Superman: The Man of Steel</a></i> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Comics" title="World's Finest Comics">World's Finest Comics</a></i></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%;background-color: #0000FF;"><span style="color:#FF0000">Miscellanea</span></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Category:Superman_storylines" title="Category:Superman storylines">Storylines</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Alternate_versions_of_Superman" class="mw-redirect" title="Alternate versions of Superman">Alternate versions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Superman_in_other_media" class="mw-redirect" title="Superman in other media">Superman in other media</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Superman_(film_series)" class="mw-redirect" title="Superman (film series)">Superman (film series)</a> <b>·</b> <i><a href="/wiki/Smallville" title="Smallville">Smallville</a></i></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Massive eye strain... hidden links because of color clashes... I'd say no.</dd> <dd>- <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">J Greb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J_Greb" title="User talk:J Greb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-J_Greb-2009-10-03T03:37:00.000Z-Recolor_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J_Greb-2009-10-03T03:37:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J_Greb-2009-10-03T03:37:00.000Z-Recolor_template?"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adventure_Comics?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adventure_Comics?-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z"><span id="Adventure_Comics.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adventure_Comics?-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z"></span>Adventure Comics?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adventure_Comics?-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Adventure Comics?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"></span>Why is Adventure Comics listed among the former titles? That series never starred Superman. Shouldn't the link be too <i>Adventures of Superman</i>, instead? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TimPendragon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TimPendragon (page does not exist)">TimPendragon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimPendragon" title="User talk:TimPendragon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-TimPendragon-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-13T06:25:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Superboy_(Kal-El)" title="Superboy (Kal-El)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"></span>Superboy (Kal-El)</a> was featured in <i>Adventure Comics</i> from #103 (1946) to #315 (1964), and again from #453-458, and he nearly always appeared on the cover. That doesn't count his appearances in the series as a member of the Legion (featured in <i>Adventure Comics</i> from #300-380), during which time the cover logo read, in full, "Adventure Comics starring Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes." Again, Superboy was usually on the cover. Finally, Superboy appeared as a Legion member in the Adventure Comics digests, #491-503, which were all-reprint issues. Since Superboy was just the young Superman, you can most certainly say that Superman starred in <i>Adventure</i> for most of the series' run. That doesn't count the run of <i>Adventure</i> dedicated to Kal's cousin, Supergirl (roughly #381-425). <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderboy12" title="User:Spiderboy12">Spiderboy12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderboy12" title="User talk:Spiderboy12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z-Adventure_Comics?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-14T02:22:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z"></span>Alright, you've corrected me on that. However, I'd still suggest a link to <i>Adventures of Superman</i> in the template. I know it's a redirect to another title, but someone looking for <i>Adventures</i> might not know that. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TimPendragon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TimPendragon (page does not exist)">TimPendragon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimPendragon" title="User talk:TimPendragon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-TimPendragon-2009-03-14T02:22:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-14T02:22:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimPendragon-2009-03-14T02:22:00.000Z-Spiderboy12-2009-03-13T17:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legion-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legion-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z"></span>Legion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legion-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Legion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z-Legion"></span>Given the prominent role they played in the youth of the Silver Age Superman and the current Superman, I think there needs to be a link to the <a href="/wiki/Legion_of_Super-Heroes" title="Legion of Super-Heroes">Legion of Super-Heroes</a> article in this template, either in the supporting characters or miscellanea section. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Nutiketaiel" title="User:Nutiketaiel">Nutiketaiel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nutiketaiel" title="User talk:Nutiketaiel">talk</a>) 12:13, March 13, 2009 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I noticed in browsing through the history that the Legion was part of the template, but was removed out of fear that this would open the door to adding Batman, the JLA, etc. While I see the point of this fear, I do not think it is warranted. Batman, the JLA and all the rest began as their own characters and interacted with Superman later; Superman was not a vital part of their development, nor they in his. The Legion, however, began as a Superboy story and continued to be just a supporting story in Superman books for many years. While they may have grown into their own feature, they didn't start out that way. Additionally, in both the original continuity and the current one with the return of the Original Legion, they played a very important role in Kal's formative years, and his development into a hero; I think they fit the definition of supporting characters of Superman quite well for the purposes of this template. I am going to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">be bold</a> and add them back in; if anyone objects, we can discuss it here. <a href="/wiki/User:Nutiketaiel" title="User:Nutiketaiel">Nutiketaiel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nutiketaiel" title="User talk:Nutiketaiel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z-Legion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z-Legion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-30T11:57:00.000Z-Legion"></span></dd></dl> <p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z-Legion"></span> I don't think any powered or costumed characters of any kind belong in the Supporting Characters section. If they belong on the template anywhere, it should be the Superman Family section. Also, if Legion are included the Justice League should be as well. Also, a group is not a character. Mon-El is the strongest Super connection and he is already on the Superman Family section. Maybe there should be an "affiliations" section, or something. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Firestorm566&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Firestorm566 (page does not exist)">Firestorm566</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firestorm566" title="User talk:Firestorm566">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z-Legion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z-Legion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z-Legion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-31T19:17:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z"></span>I would have no objection to an affiliations section. <a href="/wiki/User:Nutiketaiel" title="User:Nutiketaiel">Nutiketaiel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nutiketaiel" title="User talk:Nutiketaiel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-31T19:17:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-31T19:17:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nutiketaiel-2009-03-31T19:17:00.000Z-Firestorm566-2009-03-31T19:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z-Legion"></span>While Legion do deserve a mention their own canon is so vast that perhaps they could use a template of their own, as could Supergirl for that matter.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.195.111.208" title="Special:Contributions/90.195.111.208">90.195.111.208</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.195.111.208&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:90.195.111.208 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z-Legion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z-Legion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z-Legion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:16:00.000Z-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z"></span>They do have a template of their own; that doesn't mean they don't belong on this one. <a href="/wiki/User:Nutiketaiel" title="User:Nutiketaiel">Nutiketaiel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nutiketaiel" title="User talk:Nutiketaiel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:16:00.000Z-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:16:00.000Z-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:16:00.000Z-90.195.111.208-2009-12-21T22:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z"><span id="Where_to_add_the_Legion_.28and_maybe_the_JLA.2C_too.2C_if_you_guys_insist.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z"></span>Where to add the Legion (and maybe the JLA, too, if you guys insist)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Where to add the Legion (and maybe the JLA, too, if you guys insist)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)"></span>It seems obvious to me that the <a href="/wiki/Legion_of_Super-Heroes" title="Legion of Super-Heroes">Legion</a> (and maybe the JLA too, if you guys insist) is important enough to Superman's backstory and development (and vice-versa) that they need to be linked to in this template. The real question is where to put them. I see four options: </p> <dl><dd>1. Add them to the Superman Family section. <dl><dd><ul><li>It seems like the most logical place for them, since this is where the other superpowered associates of Superman are listed.</li> <li>However, they've never really been referred to as part of the "Superman Family" directly.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>2. Add them to the Supporting Characters section. <dl><dd><ul><li>While the title certainly seems more appropriate to their original role, this section seems to contain characters who are (usually) not superpowered.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>3. Add them to the Miscellanea section. <dl><dd><ul><li>The Legion doesn't really seem to fit with the other links already in that section. The miscellanea section seems to be being used for alternate versions and media of the characters.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>4. Create a new section called "Teams" (or "Affiliations" if you'd rather). <dl><dd><ul><li>This seems like the most viable option, as it doesn't try to shoehorn the Legion (and I suppose the JLA) into a section that it really doesn't belong in. It also has the advantage of being narrowly defined enough that the section is not likely to explode to a rediculous size or include more tangentially connected characters, like Batman.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Therefore, I support creating a new "Teams" section in the template, between the "Villains" and "Locations" sections. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Nutiketaiel" title="User:Nutiketaiel">Nutiketaiel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nutiketaiel" title="User talk:Nutiketaiel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nutiketaiel-2010-03-09T12:31:00.000Z-Where_to_add_the_Legion_(and_maybe_the_JLA,_too,_if_you_guys_insist)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Villains" data-mw-thread-id="h-Villains-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Villains-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z"></span>Villains<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Villains-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Villains"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MaxRebo120-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z-Villains"></span>Who else belives we should lighten down the villain list, and only include the "main" ones? Let me know. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:MaxRebo120" title="User:MaxRebo120">MaxRebo120</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MaxRebo120" title="User talk:MaxRebo120">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MaxRebo120" title="Special:Contributions/MaxRebo120">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-MaxRebo120-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z-Villains" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MaxRebo120-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z-Villains"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MaxRebo120-2010-11-18T14:48:00.000Z-Villains"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"><span id="Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235.2C_7_April_2011"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"></span>Edit request from 76.104.160.235, 7 April 2011<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Edit request from 76.104.160.235, 7 April 2011"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Novels </p><p>Lena Thorul is a peripheral character in the Elliott S! Maggin novel "Superman: Miracle Monday". The magician Max Maven threatens to find out and disclose her identity as Lex Luthor's sister in order to get Superman to come visit him at the Magic Castle. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.104.160.235" title="Special:Contributions/76.104.160.235">76.104.160.235</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:76.104.160.235&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:76.104.160.235 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z-Edit_request_from_76.104.160.235,_7_April_2011"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bility-2011-04-07T22:17:00.000Z-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62" /></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Lena Luthor and Miracle Monday are already in the template, if you were suggesting adding either of those. — <a href="/wiki/User:Bility" title="User:Bility">Bility</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bility" title="User talk:Bility">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Bility-2011-04-07T22:17:00.000Z-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bility-2011-04-07T22:17:00.000Z-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bility-2011-04-07T22:17:00.000Z-76.104.160.235-2011-04-07T05:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character." data-mw-thread-id="h-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character.-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character.-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span>Inspector Henderson as a supporting character.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character.-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Inspector Henderson as a supporting character."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhenderson777-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span>I removed him because he doesn't seem to be a regular supporting character. What does anyone else think of that? <a href="/wiki/User:Jhenderson777" title="User:Jhenderson777"><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px:color:blue">Jhenderson</span></a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhenderson777" title="User talk:Jhenderson777"> <span style="color:red;">7</span><span style="color:blue;">7</span><span style="color:aqua;">7</span></a></b></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jhenderson777-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhenderson777-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhenderson777-2013-06-18T20:32:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-10-31T20:29:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span>I agree. I also object to characters like Chloe Sullivan being included when she is an original TV character who has failed to successfully transition into other media, in favour of characters like Batman who have been consistently co-starring/playing supporting roles in Superman stories, or Wonder Woman who is his current love interest in comics canon as well as the current direct-to-DVD animated movie continuity. </p> <dl><dd>I am aware that Wonder Woman is a love interest of his. But that's something usually explored in a Justice League comic book or a crossover comic book and I am trying to make this as Superman centered as I can. Lobo was even removed because it was established that even though he appears in Superman media and clashes with Superman that he is a primary character of his own. Same with Guardian (from me). We got a Justice League navbox to explore them being together. If they aren't Metropolis or Smallville characters just like Batman characters isn't Gotham City characters. Then maybe they need to be stand alone? Just a thought. <a href="/wiki/User:Jhenderson777" title="User:Jhenderson777"><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px:color:blue">Jhenderson</span></a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhenderson777" title="User talk:Jhenderson777"> <span style="color:red;">7</span><span style="color:blue;">7</span><span style="color:aqua;">7</span></a></b></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jhenderson777-2014-10-31T20:29:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-10-31T20:29:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhenderson777-2014-10-31T20:29:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span>Crossovers, by their nature, usually run on limited time or instalments and not meant to be indefinite. The currently ongoing Superman/Wonder Woman comic is not a one-off instance, it's a comic book series co-starring characters who play a recurring role in each other's mythos. How different it is from a book titled Batman and Robin, or how does it differ between similar past titles like Green Arrow/Black Canary or Green Arrow/Green Lantern in the past? It's technically not part of the Justice League media even though their relationship originated as a result of their involvement with the League, and since their romantic relationship is a major part of each other's lives now with no signs of DC shelving it, it is very plausible that future writers will have Wonder Woman appearing in his solo book as a recurring role and vice versa. If we go by your strict definition of Lobo being excluded even though he IS a notable Superman antagonist in the franchise's history, then Darkseid and Brainiac are certainly NOT characters who literally originated from Smallville or Metropolis, especially when the former is depicted as more of an overall Justice League threat in recent years, and both have battled not just Superman but also with the rest of the League on multiple occasions. Keep in mind as well that these days Catwoman is also treated as a primary character of her own, which is not mutually exclusive with her involvement in the bigger picture that is the Batman franchise media. </p><p>You have to understand that aside from the mostly self-contained Vertigo imprint comics, traditionally DC have always allowed more connectivity in their universe (be it within the Prime/New Earth or across the multiverse), and their characters to crossover and mingle in each other's books and solo adventures outside of the various Justice League series. Superman was already teaming up or guest starring in Batman comics and vice versa since the 1950's, before the Justice League was formed! Whereas for many years up until Secret Wars and especially since the late 1990's, the Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, Daredevil and Fantastic Four often had very little to do with each other in Marvel's comic books. For me, the purpose of compiling lists like these isn't to identify who is mutually exclusive to the franchise media of certain character IP's, but which of these characters have a stronger link to it based on the prevalence of their media presence (which does not necessarily mean comics > movies or vice versa) over the years, as well as current continuity. For e.g., just because Julie Madison was Batman's first love interest, doesn't mean she is still an important part of the big picture. Another e.g., Harley Quinn and Renee Montoya were created for the classic animated series, but fan popularity and some visionary comic book writers have enabled them to make the successful jump into the comic books and eventually across all Batman media, whereas Chloe Sullivan never quite did, and for intents and purposes is an exclusively Smallville TV show character. It's all about identifying how tenuous the overall history of their ties to the main character in question, not from which media their character originated from or how well established is the IP behind the character prior to their co-starring billing with another character IP. <a href="/wiki/User:Haleth" title="User:Haleth">Haleth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Haleth" title="User talk:Haleth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z-Inspector_Henderson_as_a_supporting_character."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z"></span>The DC Universe has just about anybody meeting somebody at one point. Especially Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman etc. The less in universal argument would be is how recurring are they in a particular comic book that stars that character. For example how many times is Batman a supporting character of Superman in Action Comics. Even if he does appear it's what we call a special appearance of Batman in a Superman comic book. World's Finest Comics or a Justice League comic book or a Brave and the Bold comic book should be a terrible example. It's a comic book that shows the same universal characters together just like the new movie. That doesn't mean they are centric. Also supporting characters is hardly superheroes but more normal people affiliated with the superhero. <a href="/wiki/User:Jhenderson777" title="User:Jhenderson777"><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px:color:blue">Jhenderson</span></a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhenderson777" title="User talk:Jhenderson777"> <span style="color:red;">7</span><span style="color:blue;">7</span><span style="color:aqua;">7</span></a></b></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Haleth-2014-11-01T00:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Another reason why I am so against it is because I know editors like <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">User:J Greb</a> would be against it. I don't know if he is active anymore but he did know best from comic book navboxes many of times. <a href="/wiki/User:Jhenderson777" title="User:Jhenderson777"><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px:color:blue">Jhenderson</span></a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhenderson777" title="User talk:Jhenderson777"> <span style="color:red;">7</span><span style="color:blue;">7</span><span style="color:aqua;">7</span></a></b></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I'm still kicking around, though less actively these days.</dd> <dd>With Henderson there are two things point to not including him here: <ol><li>He originates outside of the comics. For the most part this group of templates self limits to the comic book material, not characters drawn from radio, television, or film. Henderson was created for, and used extensively in the radio series <i>The Adventures of Superman</i> which ran from 1940 through 1951. Hw was carried over to TV in 1952. He didn't appear in comics until 1974, and even then he was a minor character.</li> <li>Is pretty much that last part, in the comics he's a minor character. Most of the cases where a media import - Harley, Montoya, and the like - has become important to the comics, inclusion in the comic skewed navboxes makes sense. (In that vein, Mercy Grave's inclusion almost makes sense, and Liverwire's doesn't.)</li></ol></dd> <dd>As an aside, the point Jhenderson777 brings up regarding Wonder Woman is whether the character is <i>really</i> a supporting character and/or <i>really</i> integral to the topic at hand. Wonder Woman and Superman, not so much. Batman and Catwoman, very much so. (I also tend to disagree with Catwoman or other Bat-villains needing separate 'boxes.)</dd> <dd>- <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">J Greb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J_Greb" title="User talk:J Greb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z-Jhenderson777-2014-11-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenebrae-2014-11-01T21:23:00.000Z-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z"></span>I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Jhenderson777" title="User:Jhenderson777"><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px:color:blue">Jhenderson</span></a> and <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">J Greb</a> in regards to Wonder Woman. It would be inappropriate and misleading to include her in a Superman template. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tenebrae" title="User:Tenebrae">Tenebrae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenebrae" title="User talk:Tenebrae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Superman#c-Tenebrae-2014-11-01T21:23:00.000Z-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenebrae-2014-11-01T21:23:00.000Z-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenebrae-2014-11-01T21:23:00.000Z-J_Greb-2014-11-01T19:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&oldid=1241696319">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Superman&oldid=1241696319</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_film_pages" title="Category:Template-Class film pages">Template-Class film pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_comic_book_films_pages" title="Category:Template-Class comic book films pages">Template-Class comic book films pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Comic_book_films_task_force_articles" title="Category:Comic book films task force articles">Comic book films task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Film_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Film articles">WikiProject Film articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Comics_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Comics pages">Template-Class Comics pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Comics_pages" title="Category:NA-importance Comics pages">NA-importance Comics pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_DC_Comics_pages" title="Category:Template-Class DC Comics pages">Template-Class DC Comics pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:DC_Comics_work_group_articles" title="Category:DC Comics work group articles">DC Comics work group articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Superman_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Superman pages">Template-Class Superman pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Superman_work_group_articles" title="Category:Superman work group articles">Superman work group articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Comics_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Comics articles">WikiProject Comics articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 22 August 2024, at 17:06<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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