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<ul><li><span class="anchor" id="Spider_eater"></span><b><a href="/wiki/Spider_eater" class="mw-redirect" title="Spider eater"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tavix-2022-04-18T22:12:00.000Z-8_April_2022"></span>Spider eater</a></b> – <b>Overturned</b> becuase <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G7">WP:G7</a> did not apply here. At the request of Uanfala, I am also restoring the similar example <a href="/w/index.php?title=Rock_reptile&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Rock reptile (page does not exist)">Rock reptile</a> along with <a href="/wiki/Spider_Eater" class="mw-redirect" title="Spider Eater">Spider Eater</a> that got caught in this web. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tavix" title="User:Tavix"> <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia"><b>T</b>avix</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tavix" title="User talk:Tavix"><span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Tavix-2022-04-18T22:12:00.000Z-8_April_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tavix-2022-04-18T22:12:00.000Z-8_April_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tavix-2022-04-18T22:12:00.000Z-8_April_2022"></span></li></ul> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;"><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z-8_April_2022"></span>The following is an archived debate of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a> of the page above. <span style="color:red;"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span></i> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Spider_eater" class="mw-redirect" title="Spider eater">Spider eater</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Spider_eater" title="Talk:Spider eater">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater&action=edit">edit</a></span><kbd>|</kbd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater&action=history">history</a></span><kbd>|</kbd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Spider+eater">logs</a></span><kbd>|</kbd><a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Spider_eater" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Spider eater">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater&action=watch">watch</a></span>)<span class="sysop-show"> (<span class="sysop-show"><a href="/wiki/Special:Undelete/Spider_eater" title="Special:Undelete/Spider eater">restore</a></span>)</span></dd></dl> <p>A little dab page that I <i>thought</i> I had created, but now I've found out, much to my surprise, that it got deleted per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G7">WP:G7</a> a month ago. I <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz#Spider_eater" title="User talk:Liz">was told</a> by the deleting admin that I had not in fact created it and that it was not an appropriate dab page. If my recollection was wrong all along, then I'm really sorry to everyone for all this silliness. However, at least from the explanation I was given for why the dab page wasn't needed I can infer that it had two appropriate entries and so should be viable. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z-8_April_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z-8_April_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z-8_April_2022"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2022-04-09T00:18:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> I was the deleting admin. Here was my response to on my talk page to Uanfala: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">You were not the page creator, <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">User:Zxcvbnm</a> was and they asked for the page to be deleted. The rationale was "Nothing left to disambiguate now that the D&D monster article was soft deleted". It looks like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Spider eater (Dungeons & Dragons) (page does not exist)">Spider eater (Dungeons & Dragons)</a> was the only article on this disambiguation page and it has been turned into a redirect. The other listing was simply "an organism that feeds on spiders" and was linked to <a href="/wiki/Arachnophagy" title="Arachnophagy">Arachnophagy</a> so I don't think the page really fulfilled the purpose of a disambiguation page once the D&D page was gone as an actual article. I hope this answers your question.</q></li></ul> <dl><dd>It looks like what happened is that Zxcvbnm created a redirect after moving a page. Then Uanfala changed that redirect to a disambiguation page. But when Zxcvbnm tagged the page for G7 deletion and I looked at it, they were the page creator and I honored their request to delete the page. I should have looked at the page history more closely. I have no objections if folks here decide to restore the page but it barely functioned as a disambiguation page. I'm no expert on MOS, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSDAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSDAB">WP:MOSDAB</a> in particular, but a disambiguation page containing two redirects, one to an article unrelated to "spider eaters" doesn't seem to function appropriately as a disambiguation page. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Liz-2022-04-09T00:18:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2022-04-09T00:18:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2022-04-09T00:18:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T01:52:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Endorse</b> There doesn't seem to be a valid reason to reinstate the disambiguation page given that the monster article was soft deleted. As the one who created it, it was literally just because the title at the time would result in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SURPRISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SURPRISE">WP:SURPRISE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T01:52:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T01:52:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T01:52:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Speedy overturn</b> per below. I was not aware that this type of page was ineligible for speedy deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Redirects created by page moves are never valid G7s unless the mover was also the only substantial contributor to the moved page. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=history">This is not the case</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Pages substantially edited by users other than the creator are never valid G7s either. Here, Uanfala not only substantially edited the dab that was deleted out-of-process, but was its <i>only</i> substantial editor.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Disambiguation pages not ending in "(disambiguation)" are not G14s unless they disambiguate zero pages (not articles, not non-redirects, <i>pages</i>). This disambiguated two.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>This speedy deletion was <b>flagrantly incorrect</b>, and the attempts to justify it after the fact are appalling. Speedy overturn. —<a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:29:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"></span>All right, I wasn't really aware of that part of G7. Since it appears to be accidentally against policy I will absolutely be fine with it being restored. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:29:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:29:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T02:29:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"></span>"Apalling"? Can't you just disagree with my action without laying on the vitriol? I thought it would be useful in a Deletion review to come here and explain my action, what action I took and why I took it but I know most admins don't participate in these discussions and I think I can see why. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z-Cryptic-2022-04-09T02:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z"></span>I also agree that the outrage was unnecessary, it was purely accidental on my part so there is no need to assume bad faith over an obscure one sentence rule that is easy to miss. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-09T02:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z"></span>This is not some strange bureaucratic twist in the text of the policy. It should be obvious why any criterion titled "author requests deletion" would not apply here. What's strange to me is how two experienced editors apparently believed than a user who renames a page should get the special "creator's right" to speedy delete anything that other people do at the old title afterwards. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-09T04:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Overturn</b>. Even <i>if</i> <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm">Zxcvbnm</a></span> was the sole editor prior to the page move, this page was automatically ineligible for speedy deletion in accordance to G7 due to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Uanfala">Uanfala</a></span>'s substantial edit in November. This follows a pattern of the typical gross negligence I have come to expect from the deleting admin who routinely fails to adequately examine page histories. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z"></span>Overflowing with civility and good faith as always, Explicit. I know whenever I make a mistake, you'll be right there, putting it in the worst possible light. It's good that I'm the only administrator who ever makes a mistake. Now back to work! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-09T13:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z"></span>I have approached you on several separate occasions for this very same reason. You put very little effort in properly checking page histories when deleting pages, ranging from G13, PRODs, AFDs, and now G7, arguably the easiest criterion we have. The most recent incident occurred a mere <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rob_Kirkland" title="User talk:Liz">month ago</a>. The fact that someone else—fellow administrator <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a>—is just as equally criticizing your actions should be an indication that you should stop trying to villainize me when the issue lies with you. Anyone can make mistakes, but you make them incredibly frequently for something that takes a few extra seconds to confirm. At this point, one has to wonder if you <i>unwilling</i> or are you <i>unable</i> to learn from your mistakes. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z-Liz-2022-04-11T02:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z"></span>Please stop <a href="/wiki/Making_a_mountain_out_of_a_molehill" class="mw-redirect" title="Making a mountain out of a molehill">making a mountain out of a molehill</a>. Just because someone missed a highly obscure rule that I am sure was obvious to about 5 people in the universe does not mean they should be removed for "gross negligence". Rather, it is the people who are blatantly uncivil who are the real problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z-Explicit-2022-04-11T07:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:13:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">Zxcvbnm</a>: I don't think it's an obscure rule and really Liz should understand better as someone who often deals with csd (in my experience), however I agree that this is becoming something bigger than it needs to be and I am disappointed with the tone this review is taking. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">Explicit</a> may have genuine concerns and perhaps some frustration is understandable if there seems to be a recurring pattern, though I think it could have been conveyed more amicably (and I don't think he called for Liz to be "removed"). There is no permanent damage done and Liz made a good-faith mistake, though I think overturning is probably best. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bungle" title="User:Bungle">Bungle</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bungle" title="User talk:Bungle">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bungle" title="Special:Contributions/Bungle">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:13:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:13:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:13:00.000Z-Zxcvbnm-2022-04-11T21:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>So I did do that dab after all! And there I was beginning to doubt my own sanity. Anyway, if the page is undeleted, could someone then restore <a href="/wiki/Spider_Eater" class="mw-redirect" title="Spider Eater">Spider Eater</a> (which must have been a redirect), and possibly also have a look at the deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Rock_reptile&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Rock reptile (page does not exist)">Rock reptile</a> just in case (I haven't edited that page, so I don't know what was there)? – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2022-04-09T13:47:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-2022-04-09T16:31:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Overturn</b> G7 clearly didn't apply. That said, I've nominated <a href="/w/index.php?title=Spider_eater_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Spider eater (Dungeons & Dragons) (page does not exist)">Spider eater (Dungeons & Dragons)</a> for deletion at RfD since it redirects to a page that does not mention the term at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Pppery-2022-04-09T16:31:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-2022-04-09T16:31:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-2022-04-09T16:31:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><del><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Weak</del> Overturn</b><del>, not able to see the history of the deleted item, but it</del><ins>It</ins> appears from the discussion that the deleted administrator made a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">good-faith</a> mistake. The participants in this discussion who are scolding the deleting administrator are reminded that they are also making at least one mistake, which is a breach of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:5P4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:5P4">fourth pillar of Wikipedia</a>, which also includes <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">civility</a> to admins who have made mistakes. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2022-04-10T06:02:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Robert McClenon</a>, I have restored the page so that you can see the page, its page history and also the CSD tag left by the page creator. I hope this helps. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Liz-2022-04-10T06:02:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2022-04-10T06:02:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2022-04-10T06:02:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T04:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T14:58:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> - What I see is what I inferred. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T14:58:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T14:58:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-2022-04-10T14:58:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-2022-04-14T12:21:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>It's important that deletion review should be a welcoming place where both complainants and closers feel respected. If we're hostile to closers and make them feel defensive, then we won't get openness and reflection from them. At DRV we are explicitly a drama-free zone, and I think that in practice this means it's our role to talk about decisions, not decision makers.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-S_Marshall-2022-04-14T12:21:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-2022-04-14T12:21:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-2022-04-14T12:21:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:14:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Overturn</b> per my comment above and on the basis that this was an invalid CSD rationale. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bungle" title="User:Bungle">Bungle</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bungle" title="User talk:Bungle">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bungle" title="Special:Contributions/Bungle">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:14:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:14:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bungle-2022-04-14T20:14:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SmokeyJoe-2022-04-18T00:17:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Overturn</b> and redirect to <a href="/wiki/Insectivore" title="Insectivore">Insectivore</a>. Shoulda been speedy done. —<a href="/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8#c-SmokeyJoe-2022-04-18T00:17:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SmokeyJoe-2022-04-18T00:17:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SmokeyJoe-2022-04-18T00:17:00.000Z-Uanfala-2022-04-08T23:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;"><i>The above is an archive of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. <span style="color:red;"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span></i> </td></tr></tbody></table>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8&oldid=1083454096">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_April_8&oldid=1083454096</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 18 April 2022, at 22:21<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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