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(1-10)<br> <br> - 7<br> <br> (3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?<br> <br> - Clear<br> <br> (4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?<br> <br> - Nice. Krash returning with his kin was a great twist. Plus the arrival of Hidel (elves) was welcome despite bringing the purple troll to collapse<br> <br> (5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?<br> <br> - Trolls everywhere. So painful<br> <br> (6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)<br> <br> - 7<br> <br> (7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?<br> <br> - It's fine<br> <br> (8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?<br> <br> - No</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p651724" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile651724"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=138760&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=138760_1421450502.png" width="72" height="72" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=138760&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" class="username">Tom_Of_Wesnoth</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=138760&sr=posts&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">208</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> January 14th, 2015, 4:03 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> Wesnoth 2020 and Wesnoth 2007</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content651724"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=651724&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p651724">Re: Scenario Review: NR 10 - Stolen Gold</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=651724&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=651724&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p651724" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=138760&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" class="username">Tom_Of_Wesnoth</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2020-02-09T13:43:45+00:00">February 9th, 2020, 1:43 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on? </div></blockquote> Normal, 1.15.2.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10) </div></blockquote> 6. It looked challenging at first, but was actually pretty manageable once the drakes turned up. Had I lost Kresh earlier in the campaign, though, this would've been brutal.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives? </div></blockquote> Crystal clear.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario? </div></blockquote> Kresh just casually goes and gets an army to command? What? Why? Is he a drake princess now? Are the white mages princesses too? It just seems like Talinn lucked upon a collection of prisoners who are all secretly really important people.<br> <br> The trolls laying a trap is pretty cool though. Shows Rashkas as a cunning opponent to lure you in like that.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario? </div></blockquote> It got a bit hairy with some of my defence force surviving, but with daybreak and the drakes arriving, it was fine.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10) </div></blockquote> 6. A good challenge, albeit without much enemy variety.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun? </div></blockquote> We've already fought a lot of trolls and could do with a touch more variety, IMO.<br> <br> The north-west troll is very easy to snipe on turn two, that might be worth looking at.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=286308&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p286308" data-post-id="286308" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 12th, 2008, 11:58 am</span></cite> (8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario? </div></blockquote> No.</div> <div id="sig651724" class="signature">If presented with the opportunity, I would take great pleasure in becoming a world ruler.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p661242" class="post has-profile bg2 online"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile661242"> <dt class="has-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Forum Moderator</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=124329&sr=posts&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917">3384</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> November 24th, 2010, 6:30 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content661242"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=661242&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p661242">Re: Scenario Review: NR 10 - Stolen Gold</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=661242&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=661242&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917#p661242" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2020-12-18T14:34:54+00:00">December 18th, 2020, 2:34 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?</strong><br> <br> 1.15.7, Royal Guard (Nightmare)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? 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You'll have so many unit there that it gets difficult to make moves to efficiently kill trolls without moving units out of the mountains where they'll easily get killed.</li></ul> <ul><li>With my winning strategy: Getting Eryssa as much XP as possible while keeping her from taking too many hits (a nice problem to have <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy">)</li></ul> This strategy involves killing the northwestern troll leader as quickly as possible. You can ZoC him on turn 2 with Zlex (assuming he has the Rod of Justice) and Ro'Arthian. Recall only your loyal dwarves initially. They and the units you have from the start are more than enough to clean up the remaining northwestern trolls. Then take their keep and wait there until the rest of the trolls arrive. By delaying the bulk of your recruitment/recalling like this you can gain an extra 2-3 recalls, which will help you rotate your units better and prevent high-level losses.<br> In the meantime, send your Mages of Light on a village grabbing mission deep into troll territory to maximize your income early. Abhai can grab the villages where Krash is going to set up his keep later, and then just wait there for the drakes to arrive. As long as there's nobody else there, the trolls won't bother going near him, and he's actually kind of useful to have there, to take some heat off the drakes at night.<br> Once the trolls start arriving, start recalling a mix of lvl3 units and lvl2 units that have a decent amount of XP but aren't too close to levelling — played well, most of them can get 2-3 lvl2 kills before their HP get critically low. Use mostly Dwarvish Lords and Steelclads, though a hand full of the various human archers on your recall list and 1 or 2 fugitives may come in handy as well.<br> At this point you'll want to have your Mages of Light around, so make sure to get them killed (that's not really hard in this scenario). They probably have even more value as a distraction in this scenario than they do as healers — they can prevent other units from even taking damage in the first place — so make sure the two of them take as many hits as possible.<br> <br> (6) 9<br> (7) Keeping the northwestern troll leader from taking a village after his first round of recruitment where he can be ZoC'd by an Ancient Lich and a Royal Guard carrying the Rod of Justice – who in their right mind would do that? Then again, he is a troll... In return, perhaps reduce his starting gold to the point where his trolls can still be overwhelmed with a quick assault by the loyals and a keep full of lvl3 recalls — that way it would still be possible to win by quickly taking and defending the northwestern corner, but at least you'd have to engage in an open field battle with a horde of trolls in order to do so.<br> (8) Eryssa dying when trying to defend the center of the map.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div class="action-bar bar-bottom"> <a href="./posting.php?mode=reply&t=20365&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917" class="button" title="Post a reply"> <span>Post Reply</span> <i class="icon fa-reply fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> <form method="post" action="./viewtopic.php?t=20365&start=15&sid=81035a1ab21f471d91e12d1338dcf917"> <div 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