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Late again but still done.<br/> <small>(Archived <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Worcestershire/Newsletter/2023-12" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Worcestershire/Newsletter/2023-12">here.</a>)</small><br/> </p> <table role="presentation" class="userboxes" style="margin: auto; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 248px; border: solid 1px; background-color: White; color: Black; float: ;"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="text-align: center; font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold;"><b>Active participants changes</b> since July</div> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Added"><img alt="added" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Cloptonson" title="User:Cloptonson">Cloptonson</a></dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Readded"><img alt="readded" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Ianmurray5" title="User:Ianmurray5">Ianmurray5</a></dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Removed"><img alt="removed" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table> <hr/> <p><i><b>If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Worcestershire/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Worcestershire/Newsletter list">the Newsletter mailing list</a>. </b></i> </p> </td> <td style="vertical-align:top; border: 2px #007FFF solid; padding: 1em; width: 100%; background-color:#CCCCFF;"> <dl><dt><span title="Good article"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span></span> Malvern College GA delisted</dt></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Malvern_College" title="Malvern College">Malvern College</a> has been delisted after a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">Good article</a> reassessment. We now have 13 Good Articles. Any farther additions to the article to help it regain its GA status are welcome by addressing the concerns raised at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Malvern_College/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Malvern College/1">the reassessment page</a>. </p> <dl><dt>Missing parish articles to complete in 2024</dt></dl> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Drakes_Broughton_and_Wadborough&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Drakes Broughton and Wadborough (page does not exist)">Drakes Broughton and Wadborough</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=South_Lenches&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="South Lenches (page does not exist)">South Lenches</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stock_and_Bradley&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Stock and Bradley (page does not exist)">Stock and Bradley</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stoke,_Worcestershire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Stoke, Worcestershire (page does not exist)">Stoke, Worcestershire</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Westwood,_Worcestershire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Westwood, Worcestershire (page does not exist)">Westwood, Worcestershire</a></li></ul> <hr/> <div style="text-align: center;"><small><i>Imprint</i><br/>Written by <a href="/wiki/User:Ollieisanerd" title="User:Ollieisanerd">Ollieisanerd</a> • All comments to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WORCS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WORCS">WT:WORCS</a></small></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyvio" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyvio"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyvio"></span>Copyvio<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyvio"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Copyvio","replies":[]}}--></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Welcome_to_the_drive!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"><span id="Welcome_to_the_drive.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"></span>Welcome to the drive!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Welcome_to_the_drive!","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>Welcome, welcome, welcome JimKillock! I'm glad that you are joining the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024"> drive</a>! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. </p> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;margin:1em;"><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Special:RandomInCategory/All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Special:RandomInCategory/All articles lacking sources"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">Fix a random page lacking sources</span></a></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>)18:52, 1 February 2024 <a href="/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time" title="Coordinated Universal Time">UTC</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:85%;">[<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimKillock&action=purge">refresh</a>]</span><span style="font-size:85%;">via JWB and <a href="/wiki/User:Geardona" title="User:Geardona">Geardona</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geardona" title="User talk:Geardona">talk to me?</a>)</span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eleanor_of_Castile-20240505040800","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile"],"text":"Eleanor of Castile","linkableTitle":"Eleanor of Castile"}--><h2 id="Eleanor_of_Castile" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eleanor_of_Castile-20240505040800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eleanor_of_Castile-20240505040800"></span>Eleanor of Castile<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eleanor_of_Castile-20240505040800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eleanor_of_Castile-20240505040800","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile"]}}--><div 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.tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-style" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Writing_Magnifying.PNG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG/70px-Writing_Magnifying.PNG" decoding="async" width="70" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG/105px-Writing_Magnifying.PNG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG 2x" data-file-width="140" data-file-height="140"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">Hello, JimKillock. This is a courtesy notice that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Basic_copyediting" title="Wikipedia:Basic copyediting">copy edit</a> you requested for <b><a href="/wiki/Eleanor_of_Castile" title="Eleanor of Castile">Eleanor of Castile</a></b> at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests">Guild of Copy Editors requests page</a> is now complete. All <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests">feedback welcome</a>! Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baffle_gab1978" title="User talk:Baffle gab1978"><span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿<i>gab</i></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240505040800","author":"Baffle gab1978","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Eleanor_of_Castile"></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800"></span>Hi JimKillock, I've now completed my c/e; I removed quite a lot of what seems to be unnecessary commentary from the article; see my edit summaries for details. I've added a <i>[clarification needed]</i> tag in the final paragraph of "Historical reputation" – "in recent decades" is ambiguous and needs context. I think "Death of Eleanor" --> "Procession, burial and monuments" could be rearranged to separate the subjects; the journey to London, the burials and the monuments. That's just my subjective view though. Anyway, good luck with this interesting and informative article. Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baffle_gab1978" title="User talk:Baffle gab1978"><span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿<i>gab</i></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240505040800","author":"Baffle gab1978","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800-Baffle_gab1978-20240505040800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400","replies":["c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"],"text":"Would Cookie stuffing get through FAC","linkableTitle":"Would Cookie stuffing get through FAC"}--><h2 id="Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400"></span>Would <a href="/wiki/Cookie_stuffing" title="Cookie stuffing">Cookie stuffing</a> get through FAC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400","replies":["c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900","timestamp":"20240526094600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC-20240512052400","replies":["c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"],"text":"Would Cookie stuffing get through FAC","linkableTitle":"Would Cookie stuffing get through FAC"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"></span>Do you think <a href="/wiki/Cookie_stuffing" title="Cookie stuffing">Cookie stuffing</a> pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAC">WP:FAC</a>? If not, what are the areas I should work on for it get through FAC? I wanted to tackle a more limited topic in the security/privacy category before coming back to vastness of <a href="/wiki/Cross-site_leaks" title="Cross-site leaks">Cross-site leaks</a>. <b style="font-family: monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b style="color: red;">sohom</b></a><b style="color: black;">@</b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><b style="color: black;">enwiki</b></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512052400","author":"Sohom Datta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC","replies":["c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400"],"displayName":"sohom"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400-Would_Cookie_stuffing_get_through_FAC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>, this is a much simpler topic for average users to understand. At a glance, (1) the lead is expected to summarise the overall topic and work as its own overview. This should cover all the main points. What are the "dubious techniques" is not covered, for example. Mention of the use of pop ups, for example, would help explain this. (2) In the techniques section, I didn't understand quite how redirects would trick browsers into thinking the cookie was set by a different domain. (3) Generally checking for comprehension of tricky concepts is a good idea.</dd> <dd>FWIW I didn't think <a href="/wiki/Cross-site_leaks" title="Cross-site leaks">Cross-site leaks</a> was far off regarding comprehensibility, but it seemed like the suggestions I'd come up with to resolve the need for easy access to comprehendable content for the for average users didn't feel right to you. This is something of a weakness in the WP approach; one can suggest but it is up to the active editors (in this case you!) what to do. When you come back to the article, I think you just need to decide how you want to tackle comprehension for an average user, and then I and others can help you with your chosen approach. <a href="/wiki/User:JimKillock" title="User:JimKillock">Jim Killock</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240516074600","author":"JimKillock","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400","replies":["c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600"],"displayName":"Jim Killock"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-20240516074600-Sohom_Datta-20240512052400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600"></span>I've tried to address a few of the points you raised. Most of the rest of the article seems fairly easy to read except maybe the 3rd paragraph of <i>Techniques</i>. (does it need some expanding? or is the current prose okay?)</dd> <dd>Wrt to <a href="/wiki/Cross-site_leaks" title="Cross-site leaks">Cross-site leaks</a>, what killed the project (for now) was not issues surrounding the comprehensibility, but rather the fact that I did not feel that the prose was accurate enough for a FA due to developments over the last few months (there has been at least two new research papers detailing newer attack pattern and a slew of security improvements from browsers (like the third-party cookie deprecation initiative) that should make cross-site leaks significantly harder to execute. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240516142900","author":"Sohom Datta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600","replies":["c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900"],"displayName":"Sohom"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900-JimKillock-20240516074600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a> Thanks for the info! On Cookie stuffing: <ul><li>it needs a thorough copy edit</li> <li>the introduction lacks some further details to fully summarise the article, eg the impact of cookie stuffing, the kinds of fraud involved etc.</li> <li>wire fraud isn't fully explained, it is assumed we know what it is</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:JimKillock" title="User:JimKillock">Jim Killock</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526094600","author":"JimKillock","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900","replies":[],"displayName":"Jim Killock"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-20240526094600-Sohom_Datta-20240516142900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"],"text":"Edict of Expulsion","linkableTitle":"Edict of Expulsion"}--><h2 id="Edict_of_Expulsion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800"></span>Edict of Expulsion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion","timestamp":"20240527025800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edict_of_Expulsion-20240527025800","replies":["c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"],"text":"Edict of Expulsion","linkableTitle":"Edict of Expulsion"}--></div></div></div> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-style" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Writing_Magnifying.PNG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG/70px-Writing_Magnifying.PNG" decoding="async" width="70" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG/105px-Writing_Magnifying.PNG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Writing_Magnifying.PNG 2x" data-file-width="140" data-file-height="140"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">Hello, JimKillock. This is a courtesy notice that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Basic_copyediting" title="Wikipedia:Basic copyediting">copy edit</a> you requested for <b><a href="/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion" title="Edict of Expulsion">Edict of Expulsion</a></b> at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests">Guild of Copy Editors requests page</a> is now complete. All <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests">feedback welcome</a>! Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baffle_gab1978" title="User talk:Baffle gab1978"><span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿<i>gab</i></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240527025800","author":"Baffle gab1978","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baffle_gab1978-20240527025800-Edict_of_Expulsion"></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Matarisvan-20240602113100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100","replies":["c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"],"text":"Request for an FACR","linkableTitle":"Request for an FACR"}--><h2 id="Request_for_an_FACR" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100"></span>Request for an FACR<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Matarisvan-20240602113100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100","replies":["c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100","timestamp":"20240602114300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Matarisvan-20240602113100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Request_for_an_FACR-20240602113100","replies":["c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"],"text":"Request for an FACR","linkableTitle":"Request for an FACR"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"></span>Hi Jim, if you have some time, would you consider adding your comments over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Sam_Manekshaw/archive5" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sam Manekshaw/archive5">Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sam Manekshaw/archive5</a>? I do understand you are busy with the FA reassessment of Edward I, but if you could take out the time to comment above, that would be awesome. Also, do you know what is the exact consensus required for FAC reviews? I believe I will not ever be getting a support from one particular reviewer and one FAC coordinator believes the opinion of this reviewer to be gospel and acts only on its basis. <a href="/wiki/User:Matarisvan" title="User:Matarisvan">Matarisvan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matarisvan" title="User talk:Matarisvan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602113100","author":"Matarisvan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR","replies":["c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matarisvan-20240602113100-Request_for_an_FACR"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100"></span>Hi there, the issue seems a simple one at his point: when doing spot source checks, the reviewer did not find the required information. Therefore to get past FAC, you need to go through the article and check each citation provides the information for the sentences or paragraphs, and change the citation where it doesn't match. The criteria is simple enough, it has to be properly and accurately sourced, so getting the reviewers to change their minds is also in principle simple enough. However I can also see that it would be a lot of work.</dd> <dd>FA and GA reviews are meant to do these checks and be confident of accuracy. Given that sourcing and accuracy is Wikipedia's core principle, you will only get them to budge by doing the work.</dd> <dd>In practice, you could only challenge this by someone else doing source checks and showing that the reviewer was incorrect. The FA co-ordinators don't operate on consensus alone, but also by trust and dialogue. When it comes to source checks, people generally rely on an individual to do the checks. If you think he's got it wrong, in the examples he has previously given, you'd need to outline how that is the case. <a href="/wiki/User:JimKillock" title="User:JimKillock">Jim Killock</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimKillock#c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602114300","author":"JimKillock","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100","replies":[],"displayName":"Jim Killock"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-20240602114300-Matarisvan-20240602113100"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐5c59558b9d‐prl4j Cached time: 20241130193216 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.021 seconds CPU time usage: 0.116 seconds Real time usage: 0.173 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 332/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 6153/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 1104/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 7/100 Expensive parser function count: 1/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 3318/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.032/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 986952/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 88.122 1 -total 36.65% 32.293 2 Template:GOCEtb 32.75% 28.860 2 Template:Tmbox 19.38% 17.076 1 Template:Center 19.06% 16.794 1 User:MiszaBot/config 14.10% 12.425 1 Template:Clickable_button_2 11.61% 10.231 1 Template:Class/icon 5.35% 4.714 1 Template:Userboxtop 3.56% 3.135 4 Template:U 3.11% 2.744 1 Template:Ns0 --> <!-- Saved in RevisionOutputCache with key enwiki:rcache:1226887141:dateformat=default and timestamp 20241130193216 and revision id 1226887141. --> </div><!--esi <esi:include src="/esitest-fa8a495983347898/content" /> --><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimKillock&oldid=1226887141">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimKillock&oldid=1226887141</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 2 June 2024, at 11:43<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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