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font-weight: bold;">This is <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">talk page</a>, where you can send him messages and comments.</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div class="talkheader-body"> <div class="talkheader-help"> <ul><li>Put new text under old text. <strong><a href="/wiki/Special:NewSection/User_talk:YBG" title="Special:NewSection/User talk:YBG">Click here to start a new topic.</a></strong></li> <li>New to Wikipedia? Welcome! <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Learn to edit</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Questions" title="Wikipedia:Questions">get help</a>.</li></ul> </div> <div class="talkheader-policies"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">Assume good faith</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Be polite</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">avoid personal attacks</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers">Be welcoming to newcomers</a></li> <li>Seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests">dispute resolution</a> if needed</li></ul> </div> </div> </td> </tr><tr><td style="border-top: 1px solid #c0c090; padding: 1px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">Archives</a>:</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_1" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_2" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_3" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_4" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_5" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:YBG/Archive_6" title="User talk:YBG/Archive 6">6</a></td> </tr><tr><td style="border-top: 1px solid #c0c090; padding: 0;"><div> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:YBG/" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </div></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NaCl_polyhedra" data-mw-thread-id="h-NaCl_polyhedra-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NaCl_polyhedra-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"></span>NaCl polyhedra<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NaCl_polyhedra-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z-NaCl_polyhedra"></span>Hi, I hope you can help me out as I have nominated <a href="/wiki/File:NaCl_polyhedra.svg" title="File:NaCl polyhedra.svg">this image</a> to become a <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Featured_pictures">Featured Picture</a> and now there is some questions about this image.<br/> I hope you have the knowledge to provide answers to the questions <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/File:NaCl_polyhedra.svg">at this link</a>. The questions are;<br/> 1) This representation is different to all the others I've Googled. Does it have Academic authentication?<br/> 2) But could you add to the description about which colors are which elements.<br/> I'm a graphic worker and have no knowledge of this subject.<br/> I really hope you can help me or tell me someone else who might be able, thanks. --<i>always ping me</i>-- <a href="/wiki/User:Goran_tek-en" title="User:Goran tek-en">Goran tek-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goran_tek-en" title="User talk:Goran tek-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z-NaCl_polyhedra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z-NaCl_polyhedra"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z-NaCl_polyhedra"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T19:55:00.000Z-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"></span>I have got the needed information from another user so this is <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>, thanks. --<i>always ping me</i>-- <a href="/wiki/User:Goran_tek-en" title="User:Goran tek-en">Goran tek-en</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goran_tek-en" title="User talk:Goran tek-en">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T19:55:00.000Z-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T19:55:00.000Z-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T19:55:00.000Z-Goran_tek-en-2021-08-23T17:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"><span id="Template:List_of_aqueous_ions.2Fheader"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Template:List of aqueous ions/header<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header"></span>My edit was to get <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:List of aqueous ions/header (page does not exist)">Template:List of aqueous ions/header</a> out of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Invalid_Navbar_links" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Invalid Navbar links">Wikipedia:Database reports/Invalid Navbar links</a> when it next runs. Your revert will mean that it remains in the report. Please also note that the namespace prefix is unnecessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z-Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/header"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Redrose64</a>, I saw you did the same in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ISO_15924_script_codes_and_related_Unicode_data/header&curid=66447906&diff=1047916209&oldid=1044531773&diffmode=source">here</a>. But actually, the v-t-e links should lead to the templatepage with the <i>content</i>. The database report title is wrong in these cases. I have no idea on how to prevent these, eh, incorrect edits. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T16:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Why is a navbar needed anyway? How often is an edit to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:List_of_aqueous_ions&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:List of aqueous ions (page does not exist)">Template:List of aqueous ions</a> required, for which a navbar would make that edit easier to carry out? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T12:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Is an unrelated question. (The answer is in the wiki principles). -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-DePiep-2021-10-05T12:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T12:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T12:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2021-10-04T17:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Excluding navbars from infrequently edited templates could be misunderstood as a claim of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">WP:OWNership</a>. Including them is a subtle way of inviting editors to collaborate.</dd> <dd>I have modified the parent template to pass the navbar in as a parameter so that it only appears in the parent template, and not when the header appears independently or as a part of testcases. This should remove it from next month's report. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a>:</span> perhaps this same technique could be used in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:ISO_15924_script_codes_and_related_Unicode_data" title="Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data">ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and its /header sub-template.</dd> <dd>In my opinion, the process that generates these reports should explicitly recognize the template-header pattern and make provision for it, not by excluding them as it apparently does /sandbox templates, but by stripping off the /header (or perhaps /anything) before making the comparison.</dd> <dd>In an unrelated side note, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">so that the content inside the template or block is more easily editable <i>in situ</i> where it was found, without having track it down through examining transclusion code.</q> (as it says in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Navbar" title="Template:Navbar">navbar</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, I had contemplated making the edit link point to the /data subtemplate, which I expect would be the most likely place editors would wish to make changes.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-04T16:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z"></span>Needslessly complicating (isn't this why the header is separated in the first place?), and only use would be to mislead a non-understanding administrative bot. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z"></span>Yes, needless. But it looks like most of the errors found by the bot are things that can and should be fixed, e.g., typos like "Hungaru" instead of "Hungary" (which I just fixed) and obsolete links left over from page moves. So to help editors like RR64 focus on things that really make a difference, I don't mind a little bit of complication. It's my little bit to facilitate the overall improvement of the encyclopedia. An even better solution would be to make the bot smarter, but that requires more research and time than I'm willing to invest. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z-DePiep-2021-10-05T14:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2021-10-07T00:03:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z"></span>Not jumping for joy, but I think it is OK if editors like <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> understand this database-dump-limitation quirk and so can edit/notedit accordingly.</dd> <dd>BTW, I met this solution I already employed (the table rows are in-article today, so no top-v-t-e-links useful): <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Isotopes_table" title="Template:Isotopes table">Isotopes table</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Looks nice imo. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-DePiep-2021-10-07T00:03:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2021-10-07T00:03:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2021-10-07T00:03:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-05T14:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_problems" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_problems-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_problems-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"></span>Template problems<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_problems-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z-Template_problems"></span>Hello, YBG, </p><p>It seems that you added a CSD tag to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:List_of_aqueous_ions/row/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:List of aqueous ions/row/sandbox (page does not exist)">Template:List of aqueous ions/row/sandbox</a> which has now caused every template that includes this one to have a speedy deletion tag on them. Are all of the templates in <a href="/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion_by_user" title="Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user">Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user</a> supposed to be deleted? Can you fix this? If you have a template you want deleted, maybe approach an administrator so that the CSD tag doesn't get transcluded on other templates. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z-Template_problems" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z-Template_problems"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z-Template_problems"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>:</span> Thank you. I meant to change the calling template before adding the CSD tag. It should all be OK now. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z-Liz-2021-10-09T02:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-2021-10-09T04:12:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, templates are an area I don't understand so thank you for fixing the problem. The templates are gone from the CSD category now. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Liz-2021-10-09T04:12:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-2021-10-09T04:12:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-2021-10-09T04:12:00.000Z-YBG-2021-10-09T03:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></td><td>Hello! Voting in the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2021" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2021">2021 Arbitration Committee elections</a></b> is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 6 December 2021. All <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2021#Election_timeline" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2021">eligible users</a></b> are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. <p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBCOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBCOM">Arbitration Committee</a> is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration">Wikipedia arbitration process</a>. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAN">site bans</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic bans</a>, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">arbitration policy</a> describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. </p><p>If you wish to participate in the 2021 election, please review <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2021/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2021/Candidates">the candidates</a> and submit your choices on the <b><a href="/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/801" title="Special:SecurePoll/vote/801">voting page</a></b>. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:20:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes" data-mw-thread-id="h-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes" title="U.S. state and territory temperature extremes">U.S. state and territory temperature extremes</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes"></span>Hi. The data from Hawaii from the NOAA page, as per "Unreferenced data assumed to be from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records">NOAA</a>" --<a href="/wiki/User:Jbaranao" title="User:Jbaranao">Jbaranao</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jbaranao" title="User talk:Jbaranao">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z-U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-2022-01-31T03:22:00.000Z-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jbaranao" title="User:Jbaranao">Jbaranao</a>:</span> Thank you for the explanation. Feel free to restore your edit, but please make sure you include an edit summary. Edit summaries are always a good idea, but especially when doing something that could be viewed some skepticism, such as removing a reference. I occasionally forget to include an edit summary myself, and so I have selected the preference that reminds me when I forget. Thank you for your contributions, and happy editing. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-2022-01-31T03:22:00.000Z-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-2022-01-31T03:22:00.000Z-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-2022-01-31T03:22:00.000Z-Jbaranao-2022-01-31T02:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dutch_Bros_History_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dutch_Bros_History_request-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dutch_Bros_History_request-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z"></span>Dutch Bros History request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dutch_Bros_History_request-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillaryjbrown-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z-Dutch_Bros_History_request"></span>Hi there! I'm following up on some interest you expressed on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Dutch_Bros._Coffee" title="Talk:Dutch Bros. Coffee">Dutch Bros Talk page</a>. I responded to your comments about my <a href="/wiki/Talk:Dutch_Bros._Coffee#Requesting_History_edits_and_expansion" title="Talk:Dutch Bros. Coffee">History request</a> but didn't hear back, so I thought I’d reach out a little more directly. If you feel I didn't quite address your concerns, I'm happy to discuss further. Otherwise, any additional time and input you might be willing to give to help me with <b><a href="/wiki/User:Hillaryjbrown/Dutch_Bros_History" title="User:Hillaryjbrown/Dutch Bros History">my draft</a></b> is much appreciated. Thanks in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Hillaryjbrown" title="User:Hillaryjbrown">Hillaryjbrown</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillaryjbrown" title="User talk:Hillaryjbrown">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Hillaryjbrown-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z-Dutch_Bros_History_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillaryjbrown-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z-Dutch_Bros_History_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillaryjbrown-2022-01-31T04:46:00.000Z-Dutch_Bros_History_request"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/%D9%86%D9%85%DA%A9_%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%DA%A9%DB%8C.jpg/240px-%D9%86%D9%85%DA%A9_%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%DA%A9%DB%8C.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/%D9%86%D9%85%DA%A9_%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%DA%A9%DB%8C.jpg/320px-%D9%86%D9%85%DA%A9_%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%DA%A9%DB%8C.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2560" data-file-height="1920"/></a></span></div></div></div><div class="trow" style="display:flex"><div class="thumbcaption"><a href="/wiki/Sodium" title="Sodium">sodium</a> (Na),<a href="/wiki/Chlorine" title="Chlorine">chlorine</a> (Cl), and <a href="/wiki/Table_salt" class="mw-redirect" title="Table salt">table salt</a> (NaCl)<br/>Corrosive chlorine, a halogen nonmetal, combines with highly reactive sodium to form stable, unreactive table salt.</div></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128003500-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128003500-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128003500-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles-20231219161700"><span id=".E2.80.9CMetal.E2.80.9D_.26_.E2.80.9Cnonmetal.E2.80.9D_in_their_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles-20231219161700"></span>“Metal” & “nonmetal” in their articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles-20231219161700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20231219161700-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles"></span>Counts on 12/19/2023</th> <th> </th></tr> <tr> <td>Directly counted</td> <td>“…” </td></tr> <tr> <td>Minus partial matches</td> <td>(… per se) </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Metal/Nonmetal articles </p> <pre>358 234 (metal per se) - includes metallic 18 246 “nonmetal” - includes nonmetallic 9 53 “metalloid” 3 2 “metallicity” 387 536 “metal” total </pre> <p><b>Other article pairs for comparison</b> </p><p>Vertebrate/Invertebrate articles </p> <pre>126 17 (vertebrate per se) 6 93 “invertebrate” 133 110 “vertebrate” total </pre> <p>Rational/Irrational number articles </p> <pre>110 46 (rational per se) 12 104 “irrational” 122 150 “rational” total </pre> <p>Algebraic/Transcendental number articles </p> <pre>65 53 “Algebraic” 6 106 “Transcendental” 71 159 (total) </pre> <p><a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20231219161700-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20231219161700-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20231219161700-“Metal”_&_“nonmetal”_in_their_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20231230213200-YBG-20231219161700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a>: As an aside, I’m wondering if you could speculate why “metal” is mentioned so much more in <a href="/wiki/Nonmetal" title="Nonmetal">nonmetal</a> than “vertebrate” is in <a href="/wiki/Invertebrate" title="Invertebrate">invertebrate</a>, or “rational” in <a href="/wiki/Irrational" class="mw-redirect" title="Irrational">irrational</a>, or “algebraic” in <a href="/wiki/Transcendental_number" title="Transcendental number">transcendental number</a>? Can you think of any other similar pairs of opposites worth comparing? <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20231230213200-YBG-20231219161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20231230213200-YBG-20231219161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20231230213200-YBG-20231219161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandbh-20240114001200-YBG-20231230213200"></span>In chemistry, the properties of nonmetals are often understood in terms of how they differ from metals. This contrast is fundamental to explaining what nonmetals are, hence the frequent mention of "metal" in the context of "nonmetal." On the other hand, terms like "invertebrate," "irrational," and "transcendental number" are defined by the absence of certain characteristics (backbones, rationality, algebraic properties) but do not always require the direct contrast to their counterparts for their definition or understanding.</dd> <dd>Metals were known and used since antiquity, so much of early chemistry was focused on metals. As a result, when nonmetals were studied, they were often described in terms of how they differed from the already familiar metals. In education, students typically learn about metals before nonmetals, so the teaching and discussion of nonmetals often references metals for context.</dd> <dd>Other similar pairs: acids and bases; cations and anions; matter and antimatter; conductors and insulators; day and night. --- <a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandbh" title="User talk:Sandbh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Sandbh-20240114001200-YBG-20231230213200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandbh-20240114001200-YBG-20231230213200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandbh-20240114001200-YBG-20231230213200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240114011100-Sandbh-20240114001200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a>: Thank you, this stimulates more thinking. In retrospect, another significant difference occurs to me: in the other pairs (vertebrate/invertebrate, rational/irrational, algebraic/transcendental), there is a clear single-property that distinguishes the two: the presence of a backbone, being equal to the ratio of integers, and being the solution of a polynomial with integer coefficients. I suspect that if there were a universally accepted single-property distinction between metal and nonmetal, the comparisons would have seemed significantly less necessary. If you were to create a table to contrast the other pairs, it would end up being something rather trivial: <ul><li>(has a backbone) vs. (lacks a backbone)</li> <li>(equals the ratio of two integers) vs. (not the ratio of any two integers)</li> <li>(equals the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients) vs. (not the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients)</li></ul></dd> <dd>You might be able to add another row or two to such tables, but it would certainly not be anywhere near a interesting or necessary as the contrasts between metals and nonmetals.</dd> <dd>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240114011100-Sandbh-20240114001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240114011100-Sandbh-20240114001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240114011100-Sandbh-20240114001200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20240114104200-Sandbh-20240114001200"></span>Surely there are nonmetallic elements, such as carbon and sulphur, that were as well known to the ancients as gold and copper. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Redrose64-20240114104200-Sandbh-20240114001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20240114104200-Sandbh-20240114001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20240114104200-Sandbh-20240114001200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240114121700-Redrose64-20240114104200"></span>In terms of physics, there is a clear single property: (has a Fermi surface) vs. (lacks a Fermi surface). It's just that physicists would be more interested in classifying simple substances than abstract chemical elements, so allotropy in C and As poses a problem if you want to apply it to chemical elements. With that said, physical and chemical properties of elements change under pressure too (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Polyhydride" title="Polyhydride">polyhydrides</a> showing unusual valencies), so chemistry also inherently has this issue.</dd> <dd>In education, metals and nonmetals are surely introduced at about the same time. After all, nonmetals are the majority if you stick to the first three rows, where beginning chemistry courses usually start. I would need to research more to say anything about the history, but something that might be relevant is that the elemental gases H<sub>2</sub>, N<sub>2</sub>, and O<sub>2</sub> were not really identified correctly until Lavoisier's time. <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240114121700-Redrose64-20240114104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240114121700-Redrose64-20240114104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240114121700-Redrose64-20240114104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240114162100-Double_sharp-20240114121700"></span>The problem is a lack of a “<i><b>universally accepted</b></i> single-property distinction” between metals and nonmetals. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240114162100-Double_sharp-20240114121700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240114162100-Double_sharp-20240114121700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240114162100-Double_sharp-20240114121700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240114172700-YBG-20240114162100"></span>Well, that definition is universally accepted by physicists. So, it seems to me that the issue is that there is a single-property distinction accepted by one field using the term but not another. <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240114172700-YBG-20240114162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240114172700-YBG-20240114162100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240114172700-YBG-20240114162100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240114174200-Double_sharp-20240114172700"></span>Yup. That’s the problem when universal ain’t really universal. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240114174200-Double_sharp-20240114172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240114174200-Double_sharp-20240114172700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240114174200-Double_sharp-20240114172700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_New_Year,_YBG!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-20240101035500"><span id="Happy_New_Year.2C_YBG.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-20240101035500"></span>Happy New Year, YBG!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-20240101035500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border: 3px solid #FFD700; 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margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span style="font-size:179%;"><i><b><a href="/wiki/New_Year" title="New Year">Happy New Year</a>!</b></i></span></div> <p><b>YBG</b>,<br/>Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable <a href="/wiki/New_Year" title="New Year">New Year</a>, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. <br/><sup><a href="/wiki/User:ComplexRational" title="User:ComplexRational"><b><span style="color:#0039a6">Complex</span></b></a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComplexRational" title="User talk:ComplexRational"><b><span style="color:#000000">Rational</span></b></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!"></span><br/><br/> </p> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-1"></span> <i><span style="font-size:88%;">Send New Year cheer by adding {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Happy_New_Year_fireworks" title="Template:Happy New Year fireworks">subst:Happy New Year fireworks</a>}} to user talk pages.</span></i> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <p><sup><a href="/wiki/User:ComplexRational" title="User:ComplexRational"><b><span style="color:#0039a6">Complex</span></b></a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComplexRational" title="User talk:ComplexRational"><b><span style="color:#000000">Rational</span></b></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ComplexRational-20240101035500-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!-1"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240101045900-ComplexRational-20240101035500"></span>Thank you, @<a href="/wiki/User:ComplexRational" title="User:ComplexRational">ComplexRational</a>! Same to you and yours! I note that you still have a few minutes left of the old year, but I still have over three hours. Your <a href="/wiki/Atalanta_BC" title="Atalanta BC">Atalanta BC</a> has been enjoying the new year for nearly six hours, and @<a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a> for nearly 16 hours. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240101045900-ComplexRational-20240101035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240101045900-ComplexRational-20240101035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240101045900-ComplexRational-20240101035500"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240101092700-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!"></span>Happy New Year! <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240101092700-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240101092700-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240101092700-Happy_New_Year,_YBG!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams" data-mw-thread-id="h-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams-20240104050200"><span id="thought_of_your_skill_with_tables.2Fdiagrams"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams-20240104050200"></span>thought of your skill with tables/diagrams<span data-mw-comment-end="h-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams-20240104050200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240104050200-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams"></span>Do you have any suggestions on how the tables at <a href="/wiki/Candidates_Tournament" title="Candidates Tournament">Candidates Tournament</a> could be made clearer? <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240104050200-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240104050200-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240104050200-thought_of_your_skill_with_tables/diagrams"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240104052300-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span>I’ll have a look. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240104052300-Double_sharp-20240104050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240104052300-Double_sharp-20240104050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240104052300-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240104055400-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span>Those tables are complicated! I’ll start to nibble around the edges. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240104055400-Double_sharp-20240104050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240104055400-Double_sharp-20240104050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240104055400-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240106062800-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a>: I did some initial tweaking, replacing punctuation in all numbered lists with simple newlines so that the numbers line up. I’d be interested to know what you think.</dd> <dd>For the next step, I’d suggest working on the last three columns. The candidates winners and the seeded into final conveying the same type of information: finals contestants and how they qualified. I’d suggest combining them into two pairs of lines: yyyy champion: / name / candidates winner: / name. The last column includes (1) venue, date, format then (2) results. It is possible that this could also be combined with the info in the previous columns, but I can’t tell for sure.</dd> <dd>After regularizing the format of the last three columns into one or two new columns, only then do I think it would be time to start thinking about the previous columns.</dd> <dd>— <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240106062800-Double_sharp-20240104050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240106062800-Double_sharp-20240104050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240106062800-Double_sharp-20240104050200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Highly_conductive_nonmetals" data-mw-thread-id="h-Highly_conductive_nonmetals-20240105070300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Highly_conductive_nonmetals-20240105070300"></span>Highly conductive nonmetals<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Highly_conductive_nonmetals-20240105070300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="wikitable" style="white-space:nowrap;text-align:center;"> <caption><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240105070300-Highly_conductive_nonmetals"></span>Highly conductive nonmetals<br/><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886047488">.mw-parser-output .nobold{font-weight:normal}</style><span class="nobold">(with range of metals)</span> </caption> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="3">Thermal<sup id="cite_ref-A&W_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-A&W-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> W m<sup>−1</sup> K<sup>−1</sup> </th></tr> <tr> <td>antimony <br/> 24.3 </td> <td>arsenic <br/> 50 </td> <td>carbon <br/> 2000 </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">6.3 to 429<br/> (<a href="/wiki/Neptunium" title="Neptunium">neptunium</a> - <a href="/wiki/Silver" title="Silver">silver</a>) </td></tr> <tr> <th colspan="3">Electrical<sup id="cite_ref-Jenkins_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Jenkins-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> S•cm<sup>−1</sup> </th></tr> <tr> <td>antimony <br/>2.3 × 10<sup>4</sup> </td> <td>arsenic <br/>3.9 × 10<sup>4</sup> </td> <td>carbon <br/>3 × 10<sup>4</sup> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">0.69 × 10<sup>4</sup> to 63 × 10<sup>4</sup> <br/> (<a href="/wiki/Manganese" title="Manganese">manganese</a> - <a href="/wiki/Silver" title="Silver">silver</a>) </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sandb" title="User:Sandb">Sandb</a>: I think this little table is superior to the prose note in <a href="/wiki/Nonmetal" title="Nonmetal">nonmetal</a>, but I can’t figure out how to get it into the note and I don’t think it belongs in the main text. </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-A&W-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-A&W_1-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="error mw-ext-cite-error" lang="en" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1209489738">.mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}</style><span class="brokenref">Cite error: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1209489738"><span class="brokenref">The named reference <code>A&W</code> was invoked but never defined (see the <a href="/wiki/Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_references_no_text" title="Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text">help page</a>).</span></span></span></li> <li id="cite_note-Jenkins-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-Jenkins_2-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="error mw-ext-cite-error" lang="en" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1209489738"><span class="brokenref">Cite error: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1209489738"><span class="brokenref">The named reference <code>Jenkins</code> was invoked but never defined (see the <a href="/wiki/Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_references_no_text" title="Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text">help page</a>).</span></span></span></li> </ol></div></div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240105070300-Highly_conductive_nonmetals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240105070300-Highly_conductive_nonmetals"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240105070300-Highly_conductive_nonmetals"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240105085800-YBG-20240105070300"></span>It should probably be noted that this is in the in-plane electrical conductivity for carbon. Perpendicular to the planes its conductivity is lower than any metal.</dd> <dd>Is the thermal conductivity supposed to be for graphite or diamond? We should probably say which, though both are high. But in fact this has nothing to do with metallicity: all the network-covalent nonmetals join the true metals. (Se and Te are a bit below the range of metals, but there is a big gap between them and the molecular nonmetals. For black phosphorus, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pubs.aip.org/aip/apm/article/8/12/120903/122580/The-electrical-thermal-and-thermoelectric">these</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9573">papers</a>.) I guess the major factor here should be large lattice structures reducing phonon scattering. <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240105085800-YBG-20240105070300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240105085800-YBG-20240105070300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240105085800-YBG-20240105070300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandbh-20240114051000-Double_sharp-20240105085800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a>:</span> The thermal conductivity for C is as graphite, in the direction of its planes. This is stated in the associated part of the article: "Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony." --- <a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandbh" title="User talk:Sandbh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Sandbh-20240114051000-Double_sharp-20240105085800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandbh-20240114051000-Double_sharp-20240105085800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandbh-20240114051000-Double_sharp-20240105085800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandbh-20240114051100-Sandbh-20240114051000"></span>Sorry, I didn't see that YBG had already mentioned this to you. --- <a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandbh" title="User talk:Sandbh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Sandbh-20240114051100-Sandbh-20240114051000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandbh-20240114051100-Sandbh-20240114051000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandbh-20240114051100-Sandbh-20240114051000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Double_sharp-20240114074800-Sandbh-20240114051100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a>:</span> Yes, all has been clarified. But thanks for the ping regardless! <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Double_sharp-20240114074800-Sandbh-20240114051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Double_sharp-20240114074800-Sandbh-20240114051100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Double_sharp-20240114074800-Sandbh-20240114051100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240105143900-YBG-20240105070300"></span>@ <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a>: This table is intended to replace note 8 which currently says <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Thermal conductivity values for metals range from 6.3 W m−1 K−1 for neptunium to 429 for silver; cf. antimony 24.3, arsenic 50, and carbon 2000.[30] Electrical conductivity values of metals range from 0.69 S•cm−1 × 10<sup>4</sup> for manganese to 63 × 10<sup>4</sup> for silver; cf. carbon 3 × 10<sup>4</sup>,[31] arsenic 3.9 × 10<sup>4</sup> and antimony 2.3 × 10<sup>4</sup>.[30]</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd>The note is attached to this sentence: <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony.</q> which covers your concerns.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>However, I think it would be better to move the weasel words into the note and shorten the in-text sentence.</dd> <dd>I propose changing the sentence to say: <dl><dd>Among nonmetallic elements, only carbon, arsenic, and antimony are good conductors of both heat and electricity.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>then change the table header to <dl><dd>Nonmetals with good electrical and thermal conductivity</dd></dl></dd> <dd>and add a footer to the table: <dl><dd>Carbon values are for graphite which conducts electricity well only along its planes.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>and finally, fix the refs; I incorrectly assumed all electrical values were from one ref and all thermal from the other.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240105143900-YBG-20240105070300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240105143900-YBG-20240105070300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240105143900-YBG-20240105070300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I-20240314105300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I-20240314105300"></span>RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I-20240314105300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240314105300-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I"></span>Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review</a> is now <b>no longer accepting new proposals</b>. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">RfA</a>'s structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion: </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_2:_Add_a_reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 2</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a></span>, provides for the addition of a text box at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship</a> reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3:_Add_three_days_of_discussion_before_voting_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposals 3</a></b> and <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3b:_Make_the_first_two_days_discussion-only_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">3b</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Usedtobecool">Usedtobecool</a></span>, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_4:_Prohibit_threaded_discussion_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 5</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a></span>, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_6c:_Provisional_adminship_via_sortition_(admin_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposals 6c</a></b> and <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_6d:_Provisional_adminship_via_sortition_(criteria_to_be_determined)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">6d</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BilledMammal">BilledMammal</a></span>, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_7:_Threaded_General_Comments" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 7</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski">Lee Vilenski</a></span>, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_9b:_Require_links_for_claims_of_specific_policy_violations" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 9b</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reaper_Eternal">Reaper Eternal</a></span>, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_12c:_Lower_the_high_end_of_the_bureaucrats'_discretionary_zone_from_75%_to_70%" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposals 12c</a></b>, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_21:_Reduce_threshold_of_consensus_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">21</a></b>, and <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_21b:_Slightly_reduce_threshold_of_consensus_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">21b</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:City_of_Silver">City of Silver</a></span>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333">Ritchie333</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a>, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 13</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Novem_Lingaue">Novem Lingaue</a></span>, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_14:_Suffrage_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 14</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kusma">Kusma</a></span>, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16:_Allow_the_community_to_initiate_recall_RfAs" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposals 16</a></b> and <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c:_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">16c</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Soni">Soni</a></span>, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">administrators' noticeboard</a>; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16e:_Allow_the_community_to_initiate_recall_RfBs" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 16e</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BilledMammal">BilledMammal</a></span>, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_17:_Have_named_Admins/crats_to_monitor_infractions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 17</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a></span>, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_18:_Normalize_the_RfB_consensus_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 18</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a></span>, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_24:_Provide_better_mentoring_for_becoming_an_admin_and_the_RfA_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 24</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a></span>, provides for a more robust alternate version of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Optional_RfA_candidate_poll" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll">optional candidate poll</a>.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_25:_Require_nominees_to_be_extended_confirmed" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 25</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Femke">Femke</a></span>, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_27:_Introduce_training/periodic_retraining_for_admins" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 27</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers">WereSpielChequers</a></span>, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_28:_limiting_multi-part_questions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Proposal 28</a></b>, initiated by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a></span>, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.</li></ul> <p>To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I/Closed_proposals" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals</a>. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her), via: </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240314105300-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240314105300-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240314105300-RFA2024_update:_no_longer_accepting_new_proposals_in_phase_I"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"></span>Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024/Announcement_%E2%80%93_vote_reminder" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – vote reminder"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502231000-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"></span>You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.</a> <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2F2024%2FAnnouncement+%E2%80%93+vote+reminder&language=&action=page&filter=">Please help translate to other languages.</a></i></dd></dl> <p>Dear Wikimedian, </p><p>You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process. </p><p>This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024" class="extiw" title="m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024">voting page on Meta-wiki</a> to learn more about voting and voter eligibility. </p><p>The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Charter" class="extiw" title="m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Charter">review the U4C Charter</a>. </p><p>Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well. </p><p>On behalf of the UCoC project team, </p><p><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:RamzyM_(WMF)" class="extiw" title="m:User:RamzyM (WMF)">RamzyM (WMF)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502231000-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502231000-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502231000-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"><span id="RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded.2C_phase_II_begins"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"></span>RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"></span>Hi there! Phase I of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review</a> has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus: </p> <ul><li><b>Proposals 2 and 9b</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Reminder of civility norms at RfA">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_2:_Add_a_reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_9b:_Require_links_for_claims_of_specific_policy_violations" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require links for claims of specific policy violations</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 3b</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3b:_Make_the_first_two_days_discussion-only_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Make the first two days discussion-only</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 13</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Admin elections</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 14</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_14:_Suffrage_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Suffrage requirements</a></li> <li><b>Proposals 16 and 16c</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Administrator_recall" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16:_Allow_the_community_to_initiate_recall_RfAs" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c:_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Community recall process based on dewiki</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 17</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Designated_RfA_monitors" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_17:_Have_named_Admins/crats_to_monitor_infractions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 24</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Mentoring_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Mentoring process">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_24:_Provide_better_mentoring_for_becoming_an_admin_and_the_RfA_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 25</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_25:_Require_nominees_to_be_extended_confirmed" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require nominees to be extended confirmed</a></li></ul> <p>See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">project page</a> for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a>), via <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9-20240527050600"><span id="Nonmetal_at_FAC_.239"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9-20240527050600"></span>Nonmetal at FAC #9<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9-20240527050600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandbh-20240527050600-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9"></span>Are you able to comment on this nomination(?); there's no obligation. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Sandbh" title="User:Sandbh">Sandbh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandbh" title="User talk:Sandbh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Sandbh-20240527050600-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandbh-20240527050600-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandbh-20240527050600-Nonmetal_at_FAC_#9"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="See_hatnote_any_talk_page?" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?-20240604005000"><span id="See_hatnote_any_talk_page.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?-20240604005000"></span>See hatnote any talk page?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?-20240604005000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnjbarton-20240604005000-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?"></span>Hi. Can you tell me what this phrase in your edit summary means? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnjbarton" title="User talk:Johnjbarton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Johnjbarton-20240604005000-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnjbarton-20240604005000-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnjbarton-20240604005000-See_hatnote_any_talk_page?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240604005300-Johnjbarton-20240604005000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> It is a typo. I meant to say "see hatnote <b>and</b> talk page. Does that explain things? <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240604005300-Johnjbarton-20240604005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240604005300-Johnjbarton-20240604005000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240604005300-Johnjbarton-20240604005000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnjbarton-20240604023800-YBG-20240604005300"></span>Yes, thanks, plus now I know what a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Hatnote" title="Wikipedia:Hatnote">hatnote</a> is. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnjbarton" title="User talk:Johnjbarton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Johnjbarton-20240604023800-YBG-20240604005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnjbarton-20240604023800-YBG-20240604005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnjbarton-20240604023800-YBG-20240604005300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user-20240618092600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user-20240618092600"></span>About metalloids and a new IP user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user-20240618092600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user"></span>Hey there, I hope you are doing alright. I am messaging you because I noticed that a new IP user <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1.165.87.45" title="Special:Contributions/1.165.87.45">Special:Contributions/1.165.87.45</a> started editing today on chemistry pages, and they've been quite disruptive. Most of their edits have been reverted already, but as I am going through the rest I am also realizing that I need to revert more of them myself. Among them were edits made on <a href="/wiki/Metalloid" title="Metalloid">metalloid</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Periodic_table_(metalloid)" title="Template:Periodic table (metalloid)">Template:Periodic table (metalloid)</a>, basically changing what elements count as metalloids without any references or discussion, which is pretty major ; I am contacting you specifically because I see that they did the same on <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_metalloids" title="Lists of metalloids">Lists of metalloids</a>, but there you made an edit going in their direction (merely finishing a color change to match what they did). I was planning to revert to before their first edit, but I figured I would contact you first. <a href="/wiki/User:Choucas_Bleu" title="User:Choucas Bleu"><span style="color:#3c4883"><b>Choucas Bleu</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Choucas_Bleu" title="User talk:Choucas Bleu">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Choucas_Bleu" title="Special:Contributions/Choucas Bleu">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600-About_metalloids_and_a_new_IP_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240618154700-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Choucas_Bleu" title="User:Choucas Bleu">Choucas Bleu</a>: Thanks for your watchful eye. My first reaction to this IP editor was to roll them all back, but then I looked closer and (mistakenly) thought that these edits were merely making the coloration of the table match the legend for percentages, so I made further changes along the same line.</dd> <dd>I have now reverted <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_metalloids" title="Lists of metalloids">Lists of metalloids</a> to the status quo ante.</dd> <dd>Thank you for assuming good faith on my part and kindly bringing this to my attention. <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240618154700-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240618154700-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240618154700-Choucas_Bleu-20240618092600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618161500-YBG-20240618154700"></span>That is understandable indeed. You're welcome! <a href="/wiki/User:Choucas_Bleu" title="User:Choucas Bleu"><span style="color:#3c4883"><b>Choucas Bleu</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Choucas_Bleu" title="User talk:Choucas Bleu">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Choucas_Bleu" title="Special:Contributions/Choucas Bleu">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618161500-YBG-20240618154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618161500-YBG-20240618154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240618161500-YBG-20240618154700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240621094900-YBG-20240618154700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> Well, unfortunately it looks like the same editor is back at it, under a new IP. Both IPs being from Taiwan, and the edits and interests being almost identical, I think it's safe to say it's the same person. It looks like it might become a recurring problem. I had to revert (almost) every new change they made again. I am unsure what the way forward should be on this one. Semi protection request of some of these pages maybe? <a href="/wiki/User:Choucas_Bleu" title="User:Choucas Bleu"><span style="color:#3c4883"><b>Choucas Bleu</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Choucas_Bleu" title="User talk:Choucas Bleu">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Choucas_Bleu" title="Special:Contributions/Choucas Bleu">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-Choucas_Bleu-20240621094900-YBG-20240618154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240621094900-YBG-20240618154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Choucas_Bleu-20240621094900-YBG-20240618154700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WM_board_elections" data-mw-thread-id="h-WM_board_elections-20240913150500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WM_board_elections-20240913150500"></span>WM board elections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WM_board_elections-20240913150500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20240913150500-WM_board_elections"></span>Dear page watchers, </p><p>Do any of you have an opinion about the WM board elections? If so, please email me with who you are voting for and why. </p><p>i value your opinion and plan to read every response into consideration. </p><p>Thank you.<br/>—— <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20240913150500-WM_board_elections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20240913150500-WM_board_elections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20240913150500-WM_board_elections"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"></span>RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"></span>Hi there! The trial of the <strong>RfA discussion-only period</strong> passed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA2024">WP:RFA2024</a> has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Discussion-only_period" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period</a></b>. Cheers, and happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion-20241116013700"><span id="About_the_Mall.2FSW_5th_Ave_and_Mall.2FSW_4th_Ave_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion-20241116013700"></span>About the Mall/SW 5th Ave and Mall/SW 4th Ave discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion-20241116013700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheTechie-20241116013700-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion"></span>I withdrew the discussion as you suggested, where do you think I should put the move request for the new discussion to shorten the page names? Should I use the standard templates? <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"><span style="color:ForestGreen"><a href="/wiki/User:TheTechie" title="User:TheTechie"><span style="color:Green">thetechie@enwiki</span></a></span>: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie" title="User talk:TheTechie"><span style="color:MediumBlue">~/talk/</span></a> <span style="">$</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-TheTechie-20241116013700-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechie-20241116013700-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechie-20241116013700-About_the_Mall/SW_5th_Ave_and_Mall/SW_4th_Ave_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YBG-20241117001400-TheTechie-20241116013700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheTechie" title="User:TheTechie">TheTechie</a>: Maybe <a href="/wiki/List_of_MAX_Light_Rail_stations" title="List of MAX Light Rail stations">List of MAX Light Rail stations</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:YBG" title="User:YBG">YBG</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-YBG-20241117001400-TheTechie-20241116013700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YBG-20241117001400-TheTechie-20241116013700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YBG-20241117001400-TheTechie-20241116013700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheTechie-20241118015500-YBG-20241117001400"></span>Thanks, I'm opening the discussion, please feel free to join. <span style="font-family:roboto; font-weight: bold"> <span style="color:ForestGreen;font-size:15px"> <a href="/wiki/User:TheTechie" title="User:TheTechie"><span style="color:#803280">TheTechie@enwiki</span></a></span> (<span style="color:#324c80">she/they</span> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie" title="User talk:TheTechie"><span style="color:rgb(90,50,128)">talk</span></a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YBG#c-TheTechie-20241118015500-YBG-20241117001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechie-20241118015500-YBG-20241117001400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechie-20241118015500-YBG-20241117001400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YBG&oldid=1258085549">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YBG&oldid=1258085549</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Talk_pages_with_reference_errors" title="Category:Talk pages with reference errors">Talk pages with reference errors</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_using_multiple_image_with_auto_scaled_images" title="Category:Pages using multiple image with auto scaled images">Pages using multiple image with auto scaled images</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 18 November 2024, at 01:55<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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