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wiki</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-pageframe-latestcomment">Latest comment: <a href="#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241125224200-Tech_News:_2024-48">5 days ago</a> by MediaWiki message delivery in topic <a href="#Tech_News:_2024-48">Tech News: 2024-48</a></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-thread-id="h--2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h--2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span></span><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span>I only look at the this page very occasionally, so you are better off leaving any messages for me at my <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="en:user talk:Thryduulf">Enlgish Wikipedia talk page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:User:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="en:User:Thryduulf">en.wp</a>,<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Thryduulf">commons</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Thryduulf-2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-2013-10-17T22:28:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thryduulf&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Thank you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-M7-2005-12-14T23:50:00.000Z-Thank_you">18 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M7-2005-12-14T23:50:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span>Thanks for your input, I've fixed the double redirect on Foundation wiki. --<a href="/wiki/User:M7" title="User:M7">M/</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-M7-2005-12-14T23:50:00.000Z-Thank_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M7-2005-12-14T23:50:00.000Z-Thank_you"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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href="#c-Abd-2014-12-12T19:44:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z">9 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj#Immediate_Action_Needed" title="User talk:Sj"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z-Ottava"></span>Ottava is requesting "immediate action" against you</a>. You're safe. They won't take action, but I figured you should know that Ottava wants you banned. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michaeldsuarez" title="User:Michaeldsuarez">Michaeldsuarez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michaeldsuarez" title="User talk:Michaeldsuarez">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z-Ottava" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z-Ottava"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z-Ottava"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the heads up. I kind of suspected they might do something like this - it's always a risk when asking for NPOV in this topic area. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:User:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="en:User:Thryduulf">en.wp</a>,<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Thryduulf">commons</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T18:14:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"></span>You're welcome. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michaeldsuarez" title="User:Michaeldsuarez">Michaeldsuarez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michaeldsuarez" title="User talk:Michaeldsuarez">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T18:14:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T18:14:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T18:14:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"></span>It's not "they," it's Ottava Rima. "He," though I suppose you can use the gender-neutral "they." The area is very hot, to be sure, but Ottava has long been obsessed by it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Abd" title="User:Abd">Abd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abd" title="User talk:Abd">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2014-12-10T17:21:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-12T14:23:00.000Z-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abd" title="User:Abd">Abd</a> Indeed in my comment I'm using the word "they" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun (as I don't know Ottava's gender). As for your comment on Sj's talk page, I have requested Ottava's comments be oversighted (I stand by my description of accusing someone of having paedophilic secrets as libellous) but as yet the oversight team have not responded to me. If this were en.wp I would indeed expect a user making such accusations to be banned (but of course Ottava is already banned from there for similar behaviour). <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:User:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="en:User:Thryduulf">en.wp</a>,<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Thryduulf">commons</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Thryduulf-2014-12-12T14:23:00.000Z-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-12T14:23:00.000Z-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-12T14:23:00.000Z-Abd-2014-12-12T03:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abd-2014-12-12T19:44:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Yes. There is precedent. There was a flap on en.wikiversity. A user wanted to discuss "child protection" issues, on my user talk page. I shut that down immediately -- the user is cooperative -- but, long story short, a probationary custodian blocked the user anyway, and when another custodian handled that (routinely, making sure that all legitimate concerns were addressed before unblocking), he came to meta and made accusations. The filing was a repeat of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action&oldid=1249740#Abd.27s_disruptions">what was on Wikiversity</a>, doomed from the start. His later comments were oversighted.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Abd%27s_disruption_on_Wikiversity&action=history">[1]</a>. I'll mention that the oversighting followed from my emailed complaint to stewards-l, as I recall. It can take some time.</li> <li>Upshot: he was desysopped. He had zero support, beyond an IP comment. Notice he mentions OR. Mostly OR has stayed out of trouble, but he did comment in this affair.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action&diff=1226792&oldid=1226778">[2]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action&diff=1226813&oldid=1226808">[3]</a>.</li> <li>OR was also blocked on Commons for similar highly tendentious behavior. (I'd say he's really banned, but they did not make it formal, though he had clearly "exhausted the patience of the community.") --<a href="/wiki/User:Abd" title="User:Abd">Abd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abd" title="User talk:Abd">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Abd-2014-12-12T19:44:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abd-2014-12-12T19:44:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abd-2014-12-12T19:44:00.000Z-Michaeldsuarez-2014-12-10T16:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suppression_of_personal_attack" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suppression_of_personal_attack-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suppression_of_personal_attack-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z"></span>Suppression of personal attack<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suppression_of_personal_attack-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thryduulf&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Suppression of personal attack"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Thryduulf-2014-12-16T22:50:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z">9 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z-Suppression_of_personal_attack"></span>As per your request, the off-topic comment aimed at you has been suppressed. Apologies for a tardy response, another oversighter had asked for comment about your request and I was presuming that they were taking action, however, apparently not. — <a href="/wiki/User:Billinghurst" title="User:Billinghurst">billinghurst</a> <i><span style="font-size:smaller"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Billinghurst" title="User talk:Billinghurst">sDrewth</a></span></i> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z-Suppression_of_personal_attack" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z-Suppression_of_personal_attack"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z-Suppression_of_personal_attack"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-16T22:50:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. I hope that is now the end of that matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:User:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="en:User:Thryduulf">en.wp</a>,<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Thryduulf">commons</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Thryduulf-2014-12-16T22:50:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-2014-12-16T22:50:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2014-12-14T12:24:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement 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If you do not wish to retain this access, please let me know and we will forward your request to the appropriate individuals. </p><p><i>If you wish to stop receiving these notices, you may remove yourself from <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy/OTRS" class="extiw" title="m:Global message delivery/Access to nonpublic information policy/OTRS">this list</a>. <b>Please note</b> that doing so will <b>not</b> prevent you from losing OTRS rights and access after the 31 December 2015 deadline.</i> </p><p>Thank you,<br/> Gregory Varnum (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:GVarnum-WMF" class="extiw" title="m:User:GVarnum-WMF">User:GVarnum-WMF</a>), Wikimedia Foundation </p><p><i>Posted by the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a>, <a 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id="Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”" data-mw-thread-id="h-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z"><span id="Next_steps_for_the_wish_.E2.80.9Cconfirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link.E2.80.9D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z"></span>Next steps for the wish “confirmation prompt for the rollback link”<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thryduulf&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Next steps for the wish “confirmation prompt for the rollback link”"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png/150px-Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="115" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png/225px-Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png/300px-Logo_Feedback_round_in_the_Technical_Wishes_project.png 2x" data-file-width="907" data-file-height="698"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello, a while ago you participated in a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Rollback/Feedback_round" class="extiw" title="m:WMDE Technical Wishes/Rollback/Feedback round">feedback round</a> about a proposal how accidental clicks on the rollback link could be avoided. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas!<br/> Looking at the feedback and the rollback situation in different wikis, the development team decided how to approach this wish: As a default, most wikis won’t have a confirmation. But users who wish to have one, can enable it in their preferences, which will add a confirmation prompt to the rollback link on the diff page and on the list pages. The prompt won’t be a pop-up, but an inline prompt like for the thanks confirmation. You can read more about the planned solution and what influenced this decision <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Rollback#Next_Steps" class="extiw" title="m:WMDE Technical Wishes/Rollback">on the project page</a>. -- Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)" title="User:Johanna Strodt (WMDE)">Johanna Strodt (WMDE)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)" title="User talk:Johanna Strodt (WMDE)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf#c-Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johanna_Strodt_(WMDE)-2018-07-16T09:51:00.000Z-Next_steps_for_the_wish_“confirmation_prompt_for_the_rollback_link”"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DiscussionTools" data-mw-thread-id="h-DiscussionTools-2021-01-12T22:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DiscussionTools-2021-01-12T22:08:00.000Z"></span>DiscussionTools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DiscussionTools-2021-01-12T22:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thryduulf&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: DiscussionTools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2021-01-12T22:08:00.000Z-DiscussionTools">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2021-01-12T22:08:00.000Z-DiscussionTools"></span>Hi, Thryduulf, </p><p>The Editing team has scheduled a major update to <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:DiscussionTools">mw:Extension:DiscussionTools</a> (the new Reply tool) for next week's deployment train. Since you invoke the feature from a script (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)/global.js" class="extiw" title="m:User:Whatamidoing (WMF)/global.js">I do, too</a>), you're probably going to see that update next week, before it's officially released in the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Feature" class="extiw" title="mw:Beta Feature">mw:Beta Feature</a> system. The new update will use a similar system for starting a ==New discussion==. As before, full-page wikitext editing will not be affected. There is more information on the project page at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion" class="extiw" title="mw:Talk pages project/New discussion">mw:Talk pages project/New discussion</a>. </p><p>If you encounter problems next week, please ping me or leave a note on <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion" class="extiw" title="mw:Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion">the talk page for the project</a>. 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