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Sections older than <b>10 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 10 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"></span>Mentorship questions Oct-Dec<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Mentorship questions Oct-Dec"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EnockNseke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EnockNseke (page does not exist)">EnockNseke</a> on <a href="/wiki/Spanish_Army" title="Spanish Army">Spanish Army</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241012033400"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Question from EnockNseke on Spanish Army"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EnockNseke-20241012033400-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army"></span>Can a foreigner joining army --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EnockNseke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EnockNseke (page does not exist)">EnockNseke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EnockNseke" title="User talk:EnockNseke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-EnockNseke-20241012033400-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EnockNseke-20241012033400-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EnockNseke-20241012033400-Question_from_EnockNseke_on_Spanish_Army"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241013014100-EnockNseke-20241012033400"></span>Judging by <a href="/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners#S" title="List of militaries that recruit foreigners">this page</a>, only if you are from a country that was part of the <a href="/wiki/Spanish_Empire" title="Spanish Empire">Spanish Empire</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EnockNseke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EnockNseke (page does not exist)">EnockNseke</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241013014100-EnockNseke-20241012033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241013014100-EnockNseke-20241012033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241013014100-EnockNseke-20241012033400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241017185700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241017185700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Viviany_De_Oliveira&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Viviany De Oliveira (page does not exist)">Viviany De Oliveira</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241017185700"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Question from Viviany De Oliveira"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira"></span>Como fazer pra receber --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Viviany_De_Oliveira&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Viviany De Oliveira (page does not exist)">Viviany De Oliveira</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Viviany_De_Oliveira" title="User talk:Viviany De Oliveira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700-Question_from_Viviany_De_Oliveira"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241017200200-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700"></span>I'll leave a message on your talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241017200200-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241017200200-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241017200200-Viviany_De_Oliveira-20241017185700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_Andrea_shn87" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Andrea_shn87-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241021040200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Andrea_shn87-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241021040200"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_shn87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Andrea shn87 (page does not exist)">Andrea shn87</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Andrea_shn87-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241021040200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Question from Andrea shn87"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200-Question_from_Andrea_shn87"></span>Hey, so you know those "segments", don't know the specific name but those you do with ==name==, well I did some of them but they're in the wrong order and I don't really know how to change them, do i have to do them again? It's my first time doing this so I really have no idea 🤕 </p><p>Sorry for the trouble and thank you in advance. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_shn87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Andrea shn87 (page does not exist)">Andrea shn87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrea_shn87" title="User talk:Andrea shn87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200-Question_from_Andrea_shn87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200-Question_from_Andrea_shn87"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200-Question_from_Andrea_shn87"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241021161900-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200"></span>Hi there <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_shn87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Andrea shn87 (page does not exist)">Andrea shn87</a>; honestly the section headings (see <a href="/wiki/Help:Section" title="Help:Section">Help:Section</a> for more details) look fine to me. The bigger problem is whether the article meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">the notability standards</a>—it seems rather borderline at the minute. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241021161900-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241021161900-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241021161900-Andrea_shn87-20241021040200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_PatHamilton47" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_PatHamilton47-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241102012800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_PatHamilton47-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241102012800"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)">PatHamilton47</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_PatHamilton47-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241102012800"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Question from PatHamilton47"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatHamilton47-20241102012800-Question_from_PatHamilton47"></span>Hey Fieryninja, I appreciate your help! </p><p>I'm having a lot of difficulty with the page for Sarah Jama. I'll send you a link to the version I created, which has been repeatedly sabotaged: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532</a> </p><p>Some of my formatting isn't perfect, especially around dates for citations and so forth. But I think you'll agree that my content is objective, impartial, and well-substantiated. </p><p>I see that <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C</a> locked the page and requires that extended confirmed users alone are allowed to make edits. While I applaud the protection, the problem is that the version implemented contains multiple very serious omissions, most notably MPP Sarah Jama's legislative work, which you'll see in my version, but not the page's current version. </p><p>Any help will be much appreciated, I only want the truth to be represented. Pat --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)">PatHamilton47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatHamilton47" title="User talk:PatHamilton47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-PatHamilton47-20241102012800-Question_from_PatHamilton47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatHamilton47-20241102012800-Question_from_PatHamilton47"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatHamilton47-20241102012800-Question_from_PatHamilton47"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000-PatHamilton47-20241102012800"></span>PatHamilton47</a>, while I am not Fieryninja, I will try to help. Unfortunately, I cannot agree that the content you added was objective, impartial, or well-substantiated. To start with, any information you add in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEAD">lead section</a> should summarise material <i>already included</i> in the body.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Secondly, all information should be sourced to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable, independent secondary source</a>; a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/status-business/private-members-motions/#motion_E84026A3-30D0-EE11-904D-6045BD60D227">list of all motions</a> is not that.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Thirdly, even considering the unreliable nature of the source, you are taking significant liberties with what they say, and presenting them in a way that <i>cannot in any way</i> be described as objective or impartial. Please remind yourself of the central importance and the guidelines of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000-PatHamilton47-20241102012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000-PatHamilton47-20241102012800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000-PatHamilton47-20241102012800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatHamilton47-20241102153900-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000"></span>Thank you for this information, <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">User:AirshipJungleman29</a> - I'm new to Wikipedia so this is quite illuminating.</dd> <dd>-Regarding the lead section, I didn't realize this part at all, I can see why my proposition was rejected.</dd> <dd>-Regarding the motions, I absolutely cannot agree. The source is the Ontario Legislature central database, stating precisely what was proposed by the MPP in question. How does this not qualify as a reliable independent secondary source? It is not from MPP Jama's website, or even a news source, both of which could take significant liberties with their presentation of the motion. The OLA website presents *verbatim* exactly what was written.</dd> <dd>-As for the third point, this is completely valid - I'll concede I was not appropriately adhering to Wikipedia's neutral POV policy.</dd> <dd>If I polish up my phrasing to adhere to the above policies, would you be willing to help me edit Jama's page? I'd really appreciate it, and I'm trying my best to learn Wiki's policies in good faith.</dd> <dd>Thanks for your help regardless. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)">PatHamilton47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatHamilton47" title="User talk:PatHamilton47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-PatHamilton47-20241102153900-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatHamilton47-20241102153900-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatHamilton47-20241102153900-AirshipJungleman29-20241102112000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100-PatHamilton47-20241102153900"></span>PatHamilton47</a>, a database which "presents *verbatim* exactly what was written" is not good enough. MPPs are presumably free to write their proposals in whichever way they feel are most persuasive, no? Thus motion 106, for example, says that working with the selected representatives would "ensure access to adaptable housing for people with disabilities" and "benefit all Ontarians"—we cannot take that statement at face value and state it in Wikipedia's voice.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Even if the motion is completely correct, there is also the problem of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUE">due weight</a>—if such a fact was not described in independent <a href="/wiki/Secondary_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Secondary sources">secondary sources</a>, how much <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a> do you give it in the article? Editors would have to make their own decision, which would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Of course, feel free to run any drafts by me. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100-PatHamilton47-20241102153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100-PatHamilton47-20241102153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100-PatHamilton47-20241102153900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatHamilton47-20241108191100-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100"></span>That makes a great deal of sense! Thank you for clarifying. I'll put together a couple higher-quality revisions and send them along to you, you can see what you think. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PatHamilton47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PatHamilton47 (page does not exist)">PatHamilton47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatHamilton47" title="User talk:PatHamilton47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-PatHamilton47-20241108191100-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatHamilton47-20241108191100-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatHamilton47-20241108191100-AirshipJungleman29-20241103191100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241103121500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241103121500"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HAVUGIMANA_Eric&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HAVUGIMANA Eric (page does not exist)">HAVUGIMANA Eric</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241103121500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Question from HAVUGIMANA Eric"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric"></span>Hello when there is a meeting of youths? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HAVUGIMANA_Eric&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HAVUGIMANA Eric (page does not exist)">HAVUGIMANA Eric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HAVUGIMANA_Eric" title="User talk:HAVUGIMANA Eric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500-Question_from_HAVUGIMANA_Eric"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241104231200-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500"></span>Afraid I can't help you there <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HAVUGIMANA_Eric&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HAVUGIMANA Eric (page does not exist)">HAVUGIMANA Eric</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241104231200-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241104231200-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241104231200-HAVUGIMANA_Eric-20241103121500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_from_Geroge_Droid" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Geroge_Droid-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241116144800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Geroge_Droid-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241116144800"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Geroge_Droid" title="User:Geroge Droid">Geroge Droid</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Geroge_Droid-Mentorship_questions_Oct-Dec-20241116144800"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Question from Geroge Droid"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800-Question_from_Geroge_Droid"></span>Hello Sir, my name is George, I am an inspiring editor from Minnesota. Anyways, when I tried to edit a page i spotted a typo in, Wikipedia told me "to upload a photo first", what photo and how do I do that? --<a href="/wiki/User:Geroge_Droid" title="User:Geroge Droid">Geroge Droid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geroge_Droid" title="User talk:Geroge Droid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800-Question_from_Geroge_Droid" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800-Question_from_Geroge_Droid"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800-Question_from_Geroge_Droid"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117230800-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Geroge_Droid" title="User:Geroge Droid">Geroge Droid</a>, there shouldn't have been any need to upload a photo before editing a page. Please let me know if it happens when you try again. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117230800-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117230800-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117230800-Geroge_Droid-20241116144800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan-20241022182100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan-20241022182100"></span>Your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_articles" title="Wikipedia:Good articles">GA</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" title="Mongol invasion of Khorasan">Mongol invasion of Khorasan</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan-20241022182100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Your GA nomination of Mongol invasion of Khorasan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan"></span>Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan/GA1" title="Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan/GA1">begun reviewing</a> the article <a href="/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" title="Mongol invasion of Khorasan">Mongol invasion of Khorasan</a> you nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">GA</a>-status according to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIAGA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIAGA">criteria</a>. <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/20px-Time2wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/30px-Time2wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/40px-Time2wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. <small>Message delivered by <a href="/wiki/User:ChristieBot" title="User:ChristieBot">ChristieBot</a>, on behalf of <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a></small> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100-Your_GA_nomination_of_Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241026010100-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" title="Mongol invasion of Khorasan">Mongol invasion of Khorasan</a> you nominated as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">good article</a> has been placed on hold <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/20px-Symbol_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/30px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/40px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span>. The article is close to meeting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA%3F" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA?">good article criteria</a>, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan" title="Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan">Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mongol_invasion_of_Khorasan/GA1" title="Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan/GA1">Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan/GA1</a> for issues which need to be addressed. <small>Message delivered by <a href="/wiki/User:ChristieBot" title="User:ChristieBot">ChristieBot</a>, on behalf of <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a></small> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Thebiguglyalien-20241026010100-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241026010100-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20241026010100-Thebiguglyalien-20241022182100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Barnstar_for_you!-20241111040600"><span id="A_Barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Barnstar_for_you!-20241111040600"></span>A Barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Barnstar_for_you!-20241111040600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: A Barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid grey; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20241111040600-A_Barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Socratic_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Socratic Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Nice job crafting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Wikipedia:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation">Wikipedia:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation</a>. It's well-written, concise, and presents a balanced perspective. Cheers, <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Sdkb-20241111040600-A_Barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20241111040600-A_Barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20241111040600-A_Barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800-Sdkb-20241111040600"></span>Sdkb</a>, this should probably go to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict">Espresso Addict</a></span>, who drafted most of the actual letter. The only things I did were create the page and make a couple of minor adjustments. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800-Sdkb-20241111040600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800-Sdkb-20241111040600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800-Sdkb-20241111040600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20241111152500-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800"></span>Ah, sorry about that! A Barnstar for you for graciously redirecting me to the correct editor in that case 🙂 Cheers, <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Sdkb-20241111152500-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20241111152500-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20241111152500-AirshipJungleman29-20241111112800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-20241113113600"><span id="A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-20241113113600"></span>A bowl of strawberries for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-20241113113600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: A bowl of strawberries for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lajmmoore-20241113113600-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Erdbeerteller01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/120px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/180px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/240px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3648" data-file-height="2736"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thanks very much for your peer review of <a href="/wiki/Veiqia" title="Veiqia">veiqia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lajmmoore" title="User:Lajmmoore">Lajmmoore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lajmmoore" title="User talk:Lajmmoore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Lajmmoore-20241113113600-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lajmmoore-20241113113600-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lajmmoore-20241113113600-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_and_military_historian_of_the_year" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"></span>Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military history newcomer of the year and military historian of the year<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military history newcomer of the year and military historian of the year"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241116042000-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a"></span>Nominations now open for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History">WikiProject Military History</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/MHNOTY" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHNOTY">newcomer of the year</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/MHOTY" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHOTY">military historian of the year</a> awards for 2024! The the top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Nominations are open <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_for_2024_are_open!" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history">here</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_historian_of_the_year_for_2024_are_open!" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history">here</a> respectively. The nomination period closes at 23:59 on 30 November 2024 when voting begins. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241116042000-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241116042000-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241116042000-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1-20241109061600"><span id="Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment.2F15.ai.2F1"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1-20241109061600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/15.ai/1">Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/15.ai/1</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1-20241109061600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/15.ai/1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-210.10.0.221-20241109061600-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"></span>Hi, you cant just wave away the concerns with a "no consensus". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/210.10.0.221" title="Special:Contributions/210.10.0.221">210.10.0.221</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:210.10.0.221&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:210.10.0.221 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-210.10.0.221-20241109061600-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-210.10.0.221-20241109061600-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-210.10.0.221-20241109061600-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900-210.10.0.221-20241109061600"></span>On the contrary, if there is no consensus on whether concerns exist, there is literally no other path to take. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900-210.10.0.221-20241109061600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900-210.10.0.221-20241109061600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900-210.10.0.221-20241109061600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-210.10.2.219-20241110001100-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900"></span>Uhm, no? You can leave the discussion open. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/210.10.2.219" title="Special:Contributions/210.10.2.219">210.10.2.219</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:210.10.2.219&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:210.10.2.219 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-210.10.2.219-20241110001100-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-210.10.2.219-20241110001100-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-210.10.2.219-20241110001100-AirshipJungleman29-20241109171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600-210.10.2.219-20241110001100"></span>Not indefinitely. In this case though, sure, I can reopen it if you want, if you have views to share? <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600-210.10.2.219-20241110001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600-210.10.2.219-20241110001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600-210.10.2.219-20241110001100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-210.10.1.210-20241110005900-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600"></span>Sure. I have a few things to say. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/210.10.1.210" title="Special:Contributions/210.10.1.210">210.10.1.210</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:210.10.1.210&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:210.10.1.210 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-210.10.1.210-20241110005900-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-210.10.1.210-20241110005900-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-210.10.1.210-20241110005900-AirshipJungleman29-20241110001600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241117080200-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"></span>Hello, AirshipJungleman29, </p><p>I stumbled upon this discussion because there have been two noticeboard discussions about this article and the editors who contribute to it. But, for all of my editing on this project, I'm not familiar with the GA/FA process. How long does consideration of this article last? Will a GA coordinator or someone else close the discussion with a decision on whether or not this article should retain its GA status? Thanks for any information you can share. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Liz-20241117080200-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241117080200-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241117080200-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241117171600-Liz-20241117080200"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/HackerKnownAs" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HackerKnownAs">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HackerKnownAs</a>. I'm not sure how this will affect the outcome of this discussion. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Liz-20241117171600-Liz-20241117080200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241117171600-Liz-20241117080200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241117171600-Liz-20241117080200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600-Liz-20241117171600"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>, the GAR process is quite informal. It lasts at least a week and at most up to three months (if an editor has said that they are going to fix it up). After the discussion reaches its conclusion, an uninvolved editor assesses the consensus and the article, and closes the discussion as either "keep" or "delist". If the discussion is especially contentious or if no uninvolved editors are willing to make the close, someone pings the <a href="/wiki/Template:@GAR" title="Template:@GAR">the GAR coordinators</a> and they close, but they close probably 1% of discussions.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>In this case, I previously closed the discussion as "no consensus"—so the article was kept as a GA—but <a href="#Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/15.ai/1">was requested above</a> to reopen it, which I did. I think that <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Caeciliusinhorto">Caeciliusinhorto</a></span>'s comment at the bottom of the GAR summarises the current situation quite nicely, but I'll wait to see what happens with the unblock requests before closing the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600-Liz-20241117171600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600-Liz-20241117171600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600-Liz-20241117171600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241118054200-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600"></span>Hello, AirshipJungleman29,</dd> <dd>I appreciate you taking the time to explain this all to me. It's very helpful information for an area of the project I haven't worked in. Much appreciated. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Liz-20241118054200-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241118054200-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241118054200-AirshipJungleman29-20241117231600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation-20241118163900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation-20241118163900"></span>Paid editors must disclose affiliation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation-20241118163900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Paid editors must disclose affiliation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RichardColgate-20241118163900-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation"></span>Welcome to the world of small jurisdictions. I am sorry but anyone who is employed by the Jersey government who is writing on wikipedia on Jersey related pages is required to disclose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure" title="Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure">this</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RichardColgate" title="User:RichardColgate">RichardColgate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RichardColgate" title="User talk:RichardColgate">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-RichardColgate-20241118163900-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RichardColgate-20241118163900-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RichardColgate-20241118163900-Paid_editors_must_disclose_affiliation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241118171900-RichardColgate-20241118163900"></span>Yes, that is expected <a href="/wiki/User:RichardColgate" title="User:RichardColgate">RichardColgate</a>. Did you have anyone in mind? <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241118171900-RichardColgate-20241118163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241118171900-RichardColgate-20241118163900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241118171900-RichardColgate-20241118163900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Baghdad_Seige_Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Baghdad_Seige_Edit-20241119202900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Baghdad_Seige_Edit-20241119202900"></span>Baghdad Seige Edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Baghdad_Seige_Edit-20241119202900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Baghdad Seige Edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900-Baghdad_Seige_Edit"></span>Hi AirshipJungleman29, </p><p>I came across Hulegu Khan's wiki page yesterday and noticed that a portion from an Arabic book about the Seige of Baghdad can add a lot of context, so I translated and added it. You then removed it, so can you let me know why? Is it some wiki policy I don't know about? I'm relatively new to editing, so some info would be helpful. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42" title="Special:Contributions/2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42">2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900-Baghdad_Seige_Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900-Baghdad_Seige_Edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900-Baghdad_Seige_Edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900"></span>Hi there, we try to avoid quoting from <a href="/wiki/Primary_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Primary sources">primary sources</a> because they tend to provide a biased, unbalanced view of events which likely contains errors or misconceptions. Short quotations are sometimes fine, but several paragraphs are almost never okay. Citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable, modern, secondary sources</a> is always preferred. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119230100-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800"></span>Oh, I see. Thanks, I thought it was the other way around (as in, primary sources would offer a biased though interesting view that adds a lot of context).</dd> <dd>I'm working on a project that requires me to read a lot of primary sources, so I was planning to go on an editing spree to add translated quotes from primary sources. I'm glad you stopped me after the first edit! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42" title="Special:Contributions/2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42">2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119230100-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119230100-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:56A:7D81:5E00:21B9:6379:1705:3F42-20241119230100-AirshipJungleman29-20241119212800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker-20241119212100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker-20241119212100"></span>A thanks from a french-speaker<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker-20241119212100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: A thanks from a french-speaker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nanoyo88-20241119212100-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker"></span>Hello from Belgium, </p><p>I'm actually reading a lot about the vast area surrounding steppic trade, and of course, steppic states. It obviously led me to the mongol empire and its forming. Someone on discord just gave me your name and i noticed that my recent traduction have been facilitated thanks to your good work. </p><p>I simply wanted to send you this message to thank you. Your articles are very thorough and precise. Sometimes, I have nothing to add. The state of French-language articles on the steppes, in general, is particularly neglected. Thanks to you, things are improving. The article on Jalal ad-Din, for example, was as comprehensive as the source I use on the subject (*The Conquest of Khwarezm by Mongol Troops (1219–1221)* by Dmitry Timokhin, from *The Golden Horde in World History*, Tartaria Magna Series). </p><p>Kind regards, and I look forward to reading and translating more of your work! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nanoyo88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nanoyo88 (page does not exist)">Nanoyo88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nanoyo88" title="User talk:Nanoyo88">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Nanoyo88-20241119212100-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nanoyo88-20241119212100-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nanoyo88-20241119212100-A_thanks_from_a_french-speaker"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400-Nanoyo88-20241119212100"></span>I'm really quite gratified to read that <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nanoyo88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nanoyo88 (page does not exist)">Nanoyo88</a>; I love the idea of the articles I write being translated into other languages. I haven't heard of that book/chapter before, but having managed to find <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://xn--80aimpg.xn--80aagie6cnnb.xn--p1ai/uploads/libraries/original/601da91b344a959bff7e018bcc5cfb69fb50f024.pdf?1499332069">an online copy</a> I might draw upon it in the future, so thanks! If there's anything I can do to make your work as a translator easier, please let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400-Nanoyo88-20241119212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400-Nanoyo88-20241119212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400-Nanoyo88-20241119212100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nanoyo88-20241119221300-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400"></span>Well, the difficulties encountered in the translation mainly concern reference templates that don't exist on WPfr. For instance, the multiple SFN template doesn't exist in our version. This means I have to retype everything manually. Similarly, the RP template is rarely used, and we generally prefer the SFN template, which is linked to a complete bibliography at the bottom of the page.</dd> <dd>Regarding the source, I find it interesting because it involves Russian-speaking researchers supervised by renowned international specialists on the peer-review committee. From the outset, they are clear about their goal of historical reconstruction based on recent research on the Golden Horde, a topic that was censored during the Soviet Union. Just for this perspective alone, I find it compelling. </dd> <dd>I haven’t progressed much in it yet, but I’ve already used a lot of its content to improve WPfr. Compared to the state of articles on WPen, I assume most of this information is already covered there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nanoyo88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nanoyo88 (page does not exist)">Nanoyo88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nanoyo88" title="User talk:Nanoyo88">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Nanoyo88-20241119221300-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nanoyo88-20241119221300-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nanoyo88-20241119221300-AirshipJungleman29-20241119214400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120132700-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"></span>Yes, I'm finding the source quite interesting for its composition and sourcing. I recently rewrote our en.wp biography of <a href="/wiki/Jochi" title="Jochi">Jochi</a> and it probably would have been easier if I had access to this source's detailed exploration of him, but I don't think there were too many new detail provided. Sorry about <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Sfnm" title="Template:Sfnm">sfnm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, it's just a lot more professional-looking for us here. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120132700-Nanoyo88-20241119221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120132700-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120132700-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120133900-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"></span>Perhaps you could give translating <a href="/wiki/Genghis_Khan" title="Genghis Khan">Genghis Khan</a> into French a go? I've had a look at the fr.wp version (with my schoolboy memories and Google Translate), and I think the en.wp version is a thorough improvement on most levels. Obviously, it's a much bigger task than other articles, so don't feel pressured. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120133900-Nanoyo88-20241119221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120133900-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120133900-Nanoyo88-20241119221300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1-20241119234900"><span id="Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment.2FMephedrone.2F1"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1-20241119234900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mephedrone/1">Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mephedrone/1</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1-20241119234900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mephedrone/1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241119234900-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1"></span>I'm confused why this was delisted - the only concern raised (that a section was tagged) had been addressed. Which GA criteria are no longer met? <a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Smartse-20241119234900-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241119234900-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241119234900-Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Mephedrone/1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120131300-Smartse-20241119234900"></span>My apologies, I don't know why I did that. I'll reopen and close the other way. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120131300-Smartse-20241119234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120131300-Smartse-20241119234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241120131300-Smartse-20241119234900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Empire_Brunei_DYK_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link-20241123022600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link-20241123022600"></span>Empire Brunei DYK link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link-20241123022600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Empire Brunei DYK link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241123022600-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link"></span>Hi AirshipJungleman29, I noticed you adjusted the APEC link <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_3&diff=prev&oldid=1258776690">here</a>. While we do have articles for some summits, we don't for this one, and the general APEC link feels a bit Eggy. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Chipmunkdavis-20241123022600-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241123022600-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241123022600-Empire_Brunei_DYK_link"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?" data-mw-thread-id="h-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?-20241123112700"><span id="So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?-20241123112700"></span>So why did you edited it back to 1162CE?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?-20241123112700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AirshipJungleman29&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: So why did you edited it back to 1162CE?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saransh_2606-20241123112700-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?"></span>I mean Genghis khan's mother page. <a href="/wiki/User:Saransh_2606" title="User:Saransh 2606">Saransh 2606</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saransh_2606" title="User talk:Saransh 2606">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Saransh_2606-20241123112700-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saransh_2606-20241123112700-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saransh_2606-20241123112700-So_why_did_you_edited_it_back_to_1162CE?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20241123113300-Saransh_2606-20241123112700"></span>Because the date was not her date of birth, see <a href="/wiki/Floruit" title="Floruit">floruit</a>. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29#c-Remsense-20241123113300-Saransh_2606-20241123112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20241123113300-Saransh_2606-20241123112700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20241123113300-Saransh_2606-20241123112700"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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