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Guests were invited from various Asian and African countries whereas the speakers were largely from Britain. The conference also offered media workshops. </p><p class="">At one such corporate branding workshop conducted by the marketing head of the British organisation, I sat beside a young Indonesian man. </p><p class="">Every time the British marketing head exhibited slides with images of employees working at the offices of the organisation in the UK, the Indonesian would shake his head and frown. </p><p class="">Finally, after about five such slides, the Indonesian raised his hand. </p><p class="">“Excuse me,” he said. The British guy stopped his presentation: “Yes.” </p><p class="">The Indonesian stood up and started to speak: “Why do you people have to continuously show Muslim women in hijabs in your pictures?” </p><p class="">The British man seemed surprised by the question. Raising an eyebrow, he said: “I am sorry but I don’t understand. What do you mean?” As he said this, he quickly but closely studied the Indonesian with a longish beard, wearing a white skull cap and kurta-pajama. </p><p class="">“Every time you people speak about diversity in your country, you show Muslim women in hijabs. Why is that?” he asked. </p><p class="">The British guy, still looking perplexed, just shrugged his shoulders and said: “Sorry, but I still don’t understand your question.”</p><p class="">Another hand went up. It was of a young Egyptian man with a trendy goatee. He was wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt. “May I?” he asked. </p><p class="">“Yes, please” the British guy replied, as if relieved by the intervention. The Egyptian lad stood up: “Is this the only way for you guys to show Muslim women?” he asked. </p><hr> <h4>Are we defined by what we wear?</h4> <hr> <p class="">“How else do you want us to show them?” the Briton replied, this time with a hint of annoyance in his voice. Before the Egyptian could answer, the Indonesian man, who was still standing, interrupted: “No, no, this was not what I meant!” </p><p class="">A young woman (in a hijab) who was seated in front of us, nodded rather vigorously. “Yes, yes, he did not mean that,” she quietly said, as if to herself. </p><p class="">The Egyptian, while placing himself back on his seat, smiled: “I know, brother, this was not what you meant. But this is what I mean.” </p><p class="">The Briton suddenly raised his voice: “Gentlemen, we are getting distracted here. This has nothing to do with the subject of the workshop. Can we continue with what we are here for?” </p><p class="">And we did. But I was fascinated by this short, sharp exchange. So during the coffee break I quickly approached the Indonesian man. </p><p class="">After introducing myself, I asked him what was it that he was trying to point out in his question. He said: “These people (the Westerners) refuse to understand the meaning of our faith. They think it’s only about how we look.” </p><p class="">I slowly nodded my head and then politely added: “I think it cuts both ways. How well do we understand their faith?” </p><p class="">The Indonesian was quick to ask, “What faith?” </p><p class="">I shrugged my shoulders: “Well, for example, Christianity? Or the fact that some might have no faith at all. That too is a faith, no?” </p><p class="">The Indonesian smiled: “My question to him was that they needed to understand our faith a little more deeply.”</p><p class="">I again nodded my head: “Well, yes, it is a rather stereotypical way to show Muslims in beards and hijabs.” </p><p class="">Hearing this the Indonesian almost spilled his coffee: “No, no, friend, not stereotypical. That is the correct way of showing us Muslims. But they (the Westerners) need to look deeper still.” </p><p class="">I couldn’t help but ask (very politely): “So, this means, showing a Muslim with no beard or hijab is not correct. But showing Muslims in beards or hijab is, but needs to be looked at in a deeper manner?”</p><p class="">“Yes!” came the answer. ‘That is what I meant. You get it because you are Muslim. He (the Briton) won’t.” </p><p class="">“Actually I don’t,” I shot back, again very politely. </p><p class="">Then added: “Maybe I should look deeper still?” He went quiet for a bit, then striking a thoughtful pose, he nodded and softly proclaimed: “Indeed, indeed …” Saying this, he took his cup of coffee and left. Just like that. </p><p class="">Later that day, I bumped into the Egyptian guy in the smoking area. He said that he agreed with the Indonesian man’s question, but not with his intent. </p><p class="">Hearing this I shared with him my exchange with the Indonesian. He laughed: “You see, Westerners love to dress people up with identities. This makes them feel superior. And we (the Muslims) love to dress up for them.” </p><p class="">This was interesting. He continued: “Who gave us this look (of hijab and beard)? We now dress up exactly the way the West perceives us. We love to get their attention. Muslims like you and I will never be in those pictures, bro”, he laughed again. </p><p class="">The next evening the Egyptian, an Algerian, a Chinese, another Pakistani and I strolled into the bar of the hotel we all were staying in. The Briton was already there. </p><p class="">Though much of our conversation with him was about the workshop, the Egyptian did bring up the hijab question again. </p><p class="">“Listen,” said the Briton, “when we have to exhibit diversity in a poster or a picture, we often show some Caucasians, some blacks, some Chinese and so on. So, when we have to exhibit religious diversity, we show people of different faiths together. Now tell me, how are we to tell that a man or a woman is Muslim? That’s why the hijab and all.”</p><p class="">“Hmm. Makes sense,” said the Egyptian. “Good, now let’s drink up, already!” said the Briton, raising his glass. </p><p class="">But just as we were about to, the Egyptian interrupted: “But … if, in a picture, a Muslim woman has to be shown in a hijab and a Muslim man in a beard to portray that they were Muslims, I was wondering how would you guys show a Christian? Do you dress him up like the Pope? How would we know he was Christian?” </p><p class="">Everyone at the table snickered, with the Chinese guy saying that at least the Chinese are not shown wearing a Mao Cap anymore to show that they were from China. The Briton cracked a resigned smile: “Okay, Mr Cairo, you made your point.”</p><p class="">Mr Cairo raised his glass: “Oh, I was just wondering that’s all. 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</div></div></article>  </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="grid__item three-quarters palm--one-whole"> <hr class="push--ends clear--both"/> <section id="comments" class="comments soft--sides"> <h1 class="comments__label caps size-eight ">Comments (32) Closed</h1> <div class="votes-button-container"> <button type="button" class="button js-comments-sort-votes float--right text--gray caps">BEST</button> <button type="button" class="button js-comments-sort-date--new float--right text--gray caps">NEWEST</button> <button type="button" disabled="disabled" class="button js-comments-sort-date float--right text--gray caps">OLDEST</button> </div> <br/><br/> <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330210"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">JSR</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:02:20+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:02:20+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:02am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>I loved it</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330210">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330210">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330218"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">sujoy</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:04:01+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:04:01+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:04am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Packs a punch NFP. The brain falls for easier solutions. It makes life/thinking easier -- if one stereo types an ethnic community.On top of that - many Muslims go to the hijab/beard once they step into western countries.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330218">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330218">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330244"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">KH</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:16:11+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:16:11+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:16am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>To believe in a faith do we need to have particular uniform to represent a faith? Shouldn't be confined to the premises of the place of worship, and not in public spaces? Displaying him/herself in the faith uniform is not an expression of communal mindset?</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330244">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330244">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330299"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Amon</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:37:02+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:37:02+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:37am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>So,the Brit won by scoring a point and controlling the conversation.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330299">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330299">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330302"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">sms</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:38:00+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:38:00+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:38am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>This is funny -- and I get it -- but I still can't figure out what was Indonesian's beef.</p> <p>If you were marketing "honey-bottles" -- can you show them with dress and beard etc. :-)</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330302">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330302">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330320"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Ranjit Haripur</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:44:41+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:44:41+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:44am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>I loved it. Typically, whenever they show an image of a Sikh, they show someone with a Turban and long beard. But most Sikh men I know have short hair and are clean shaven.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330320">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330320">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330334"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">hasan khan</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T09:56:18+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T09:56:18+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:56am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>can't we change the SMOKER'S CORNER to intellectual's corner or readers' corner.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330334">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330334">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330348"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Hemant</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:02:32+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:02:32+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:02am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Interesting!!</p> <p>I think external stereotypes are created by the community that wants these symbols to identify them e.g. Skull caps of Muslims and Jews are different and typical, Turban and beard of Shikh etc.</p> <p>In india sects were depicted like with Choti and thread on shoulder for Bhramin, mustache and sword for Kshatriyas etc..</p> <p>In modern days these symbols gets smudge and larg population lose their identity externally but their core beliefs, life style, vocabulary, food habits still remains and most get identified easily.</p> <p>Many try very hard and become different exernally and internally but they become like "Dhobi Ka Kutta Na Ghar Ka Na Ghat Ka"</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330348">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330348">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330373"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">RAhamad</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:17:15+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:17:15+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:17am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>In India To show some as Christian we show a big cross in locket hanging to his neck.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330373">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330373">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330393"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">sf</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:29:54+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:29:54+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:29am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>So correct, Majority of muslim women in the USA do not wear hijab but whenever media shows Muslim women they are always wearing hijab.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330393">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330393">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330397"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Rabia Ahmed</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:30:56+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:30:56+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:30am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>encapsulated. Don't know how you do it, NFP but you do it</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330397">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330397">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330410"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray"> Sana Azam </span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:40:02+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:40:02+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:40am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>@Amon Quite the opposite. The Egyptian beat him to it. The Brit conceded defeat.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330410">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330410">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330414"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray"> Sana Azam </span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T10:42:13+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T10:42:13+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 10:42am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Loved it. Especially the observations of the Egyptian guy where he says we dress the way the west conceives us because we like their attention. Sharply done again, NFP.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330414">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330414">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330495"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">SadFaces</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T11:18:14+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T11:18:14+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 11:18am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Its not just religion, its cultural as we.. Even now the world including Pakistan thinks that Afghanistan consists of Pashtuns only. Reality is, Afghanistan is an amalgam of central asian countries, Iran, Turkey and China.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330495">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330495">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330569"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Udayaraj</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T11:48:36+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T11:48:36+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 11:48am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>I've been following your articals since long and Nadeem Bhai... this was too good from among the lot that I've gone through... you're too good...God bless you...I'm from Surat, Gujarat, India...but a dedicated reader of you and Dawn. You are a fantastic writer...keep it up please and if possible do add more to your previous series "Crazy Diamonds". Regards.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330569">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330569">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330571"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Ud</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T11:49:42+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T11:49:42+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 11:49am</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>I've been following your articals since long and Nadeem Bhai... this was too good from among the lot that I've gone through... you're too good...God bless you...I'm a dedicated reader of you and Dawn. You are a fantastic writer...keep it up please and if possible do add more to your previous series "Crazy Diamonds". Regards.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330571">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330571">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330593"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Kashif</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T12:03:58+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T12:03:58+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 12:03pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>There is no Uniform defined or affixed for Muslims Men and Women in the Islam. However there are certain standards and codes for the dress which should be fulfilled keeping your own regional differences. Thats why we see so much diversities in dresess among Muslims in Arabs, sub-conitnent or Far East.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330593">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330593">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330594"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">murag Mian</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T12:04:09+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T12:04:09+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 12:04pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>@Ranjit Haripur : The Globe and Mail in Canada used always to show a stern-looking Sikh man in a samrt turban and beard to represent ALL Indians! I pointed out to them that not all Indians are turban-clad, bearded Sikhs,etc. The G&M stopped it immediately! Alittle education.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330594">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330594">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330628"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">murag Mian</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T12:12:59+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T12:12:59+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 12:12pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>The Briton should have invited the Indonesian in his white skull cap, long beard in his Kurta pyjama to stand beside the lady in hijab on the screen and told hime that that is the standard non-Arab Muslims have set for thweir public image! Yes, it's uniform. "By our hijabs,niqabs,skull caps and beards thou shall know us ! The Indonesian man actually is guilty of cultural appropriation--in the Kurta-pyjama--of Indian Muslim origin! The shaven and uncapped Msulim is the standard in 'Muslim' movies, so is the Sikh actor--with groomed stubble and no turban! CHANGE!</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330628">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330628">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330668"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Ali S</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T12:39:15+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T12:39:15+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 12:39pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>I think the Indonesian was trying his hand at a misguided, clumsy attempt at 'Da'wah'. </p> <p>Why should the Brit or anyone else at the conference try to 'deeply' understand why some Muslim men and women dress a certain way? He was in a professional workshop about marketing, not on some soul-searching spiritual journey.</p> <p>If anything, this kind of behaviour only convinces that some Muslims' exhibitionist religious tendencies undermine them in a professional setting.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330668">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330668">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330754"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Parvez</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T13:17:17+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T13:17:17+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 01:17pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Nadeem Paracha at about his best.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330754">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330754">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330797"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">LEo</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T13:34:50+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T13:34:50+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 01:34pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Mr. Paracha, you rock! </p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330797">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330797">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4330798"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Fatima </span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T13:39:25+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T13:39:25+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 01:39pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Homi Bhabha, makes the claim that fetishism with stereotypes , such as the burka for example in this case, denotes both attraction and repulsion at the same time. We discuss these topics at our MPhil in K.U, so relevant piece for me. Funny, satirical...though the Egyptians I ever knew were more mysterious...and would have led to a silence that crept up on the Briton. Anyhow, Good Work!</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330798">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4330798">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4331365"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Feroz</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T17:51:10+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T17:51:10+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 05:51pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Often people like to identify themselves in the language of religion through a garb. Sikhs, Muslims and Jews are the ones most likely to subscribe to this method. The Zoroastrians who do not believe or allow conversion, show no such interest in revealing identity -- wearing the Sudreh and Kusti is a must, but it will be part of inner clothing. To each his own poison !</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331365">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331365">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4331443"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Nuanced</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T18:14:45+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T18:14:45+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 06:14pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>@Ranjit Haripur - SGPC the top Sikh body has said, without a Pagh/Beard, a man cannot be considered a Sikh. Please review Google. Islam will go through a catharsis this century and new ideas will evolve</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331443">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331443">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4331504"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Sikandar Israr</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T18:31:05+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T18:31:05+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 06:31pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Interesting..</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331504">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331504">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4331553"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">JAMIL SOOMRO, NEW YORK CITY</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T18:49:39+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T18:49:39+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 06:49pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>A short interesting meeting article of various nationalities. I liked the Writer's intelligent,sarcastic humorous remark," or the fact that some might have no faith at all.That too is a faith,no"?</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331553">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331553">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4331819"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">ali</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T19:57:44+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T19:57:44+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 07:57pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>mind blowing article</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331819">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4331819">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4332007"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Ehsan</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T20:51:01+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T20:51:01+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 08:51pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>In US, even the muslims Luke to project women in hijab, as if that's all women rights are all about.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332007">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332007">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4332063"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Harinder </span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T21:08:28+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T21:08:28+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:08pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>In your article both Indonesian and Egyptian did not seem to be getting right. Europe has seen civic movements like Renaissance which changed the relationship between establishments like Church and common man. In eyes of white European man Islamic world has yet to see that change. Hence they elect stereotypes as representatives how so ever misplaced it may be</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332063">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332063">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4332111"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">Taha</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T21:28:57+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T21:28:57+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 09:28pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>Any article On aleppo also Plz</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332111">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332111">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  <div class="comment soft--bottom push--bottom border--bottom" id="4332517"> <div class="grid"> <div class="grid__item nine-tenths"> <div class=""> <span class="comment__author size-four caps float--left text--gray">asad</span> <span class="timeago comment__date caps size-four soft-half--bottom" title="2016-12-18T23:55:16+05:00"><span class="timestamp--time timeago" title="2016-12-18T23:55:16+05:00">Dec 18, 2016 11:55pm</span></span> </div> <div class="comment__body cf"><p>it becomes more easy for everyone to recognize through dress.</p> </div> <div class=""> <div class="button button--social" title="Recommend this comment"> <span class="button__label votejs__cast soft-half--sides text--gray caps" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332517">Recommend</span><span class="button__count votejs__count text--gray" data-vote-key="1302497/up-4332517">0</span> </div> </div> </div>  </div>  </div>  </section> </div> </div> <div class="soft-half--sides">  <div class="ad soft--ends visuallyhidden--lap-and-up" aria-hidden="true"> <div style="max-width:728px;max-height:90px;text-align:center;margin:0 auto;overflow:hidden"> <div class="radWrapper ad__wrapper"> <div id="div-gpt-ad-1455531878761-2" class="ad__wrapper__slot" style="width:728px;height:90px"> <script>googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1455531878761-2'); 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