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delete"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20240825044800-More_colors_to_delete"></span>Per recent discussion of other list articles using team colors, can someone knowledgeable about the coding get rid of the colors on these pages? </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_passing_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders">NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_rushing_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS rushing leaders">NCAA Division I FBS rushing leaders</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_receiving_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS receiving leaders">NCAA Division I FBS receiving leaders</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_total_offense_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS total offense leaders">NCAA Division I FBS total offense leaders</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_field_goal_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS field goal leaders">NCAA Division I FBS field goal leaders</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_scoring_leaders" title="List of NCAA Division I FBS scoring leaders">List of NCAA Division I FBS scoring leaders</a></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20240825044800-More_colors_to_delete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20240825044800-More_colors_to_delete"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20240825044800-More_colors_to_delete"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20240905012000-Cbl62-20240825044800"></span>These are pretty egregious cases of overuse of overwhelming colors. It would be great if someone with knowledge of color coding could jump in and delete the colors. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20240905012000-Cbl62-20240825044800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20240905012000-Cbl62-20240825044800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20240905012000-Cbl62-20240825044800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20240905031000-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span>Agreed on these egregious colors. These are also rampant on conference season articles (e.g. <a href="/wiki/2024_Big_Ten_Conference_football_season" title="2024 Big Ten Conference football season">2024 Big Ten Conference football season</a>. And what about the use of colors in the tables of the "game summaries" sections of team season articles, e.g. <a href="/wiki/2024_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team#Game_summaries" title="2024 Michigan Wolverines football team">2024 Michigan Wolverines football team#Game summaries</a>. I think we could so without the colors there too. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20240905031000-Cbl62-20240905012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20240905031000-Cbl62-20240905012000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20240905031000-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241021042300-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span>Consider making a request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks" title="Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks">Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks</a>. It seems a matter of stripping out based on the color pattern. Unless someone wanted to do manual brute force.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241021042300-Cbl62-20240905012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241021042300-Cbl62-20240905012000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241021042300-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241030135800-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span>I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'll make sure that I preview everything before I submit it to make sure I did it properly and not screwing anything up.<a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241030135800-Cbl62-20240905012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241030135800-Cbl62-20240905012000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241030135800-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241030154700-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span>Update: I was able to take care of <a href="/wiki/2024_Big_Ten_Conference_football_season" title="2024 Big Ten Conference football season">2024 Big Ten Conference football season</a>. However, whoever added the colors in was totally inconsistent with their piping from section to section (some versions of their piping being used literally once), so find and replace was almost entirely useless... so I have to sit and take a bit of time to consider whether I have the time to volunteer in order to continue this task for other articles. I'd love to because I'm in complete agreement that the colors are major eyesores, but if no one else is able to take it on it might be a bit before it's done. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241030154700-Cbl62-20240905012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241030154700-Cbl62-20240905012000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241030154700-Cbl62-20240905012000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241030155000-Greenday61892-20241030154700"></span>Scratch that, I think I figured out a way to still be able to use F&R. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241030155000-Greenday61892-20241030154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241030155000-Greenday61892-20241030154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241030155000-Greenday61892-20241030154700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mackensen-20241030162600-Greenday61892-20241030155000"></span>I did most of <a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_passing_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders">NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders</a> with a series of regular expressions. There's a few that didn't get captured that need to be cleaned up. Also, now that we can actually see the red links, there are some typos to correct (which were always there). <a href="/wiki/User:Mackensen" title="User:Mackensen">Mackensen</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mackensen" title="User talk:Mackensen">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Mackensen-20241030162600-Greenday61892-20241030155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mackensen-20241030162600-Greenday61892-20241030155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mackensen-20241030162600-Greenday61892-20241030155000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mackensen-20241102020000-Greenday61892-20241030155000"></span>Finished. <a href="/wiki/User:Mackensen" title="User:Mackensen">Mackensen</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mackensen" title="User talk:Mackensen">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Mackensen-20241102020000-Greenday61892-20241030155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mackensen-20241102020000-Greenday61892-20241030155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mackensen-20241102020000-Greenday61892-20241030155000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241101153900-More_colors_to_delete"></span>In this same vein, in the process of removing the unnecessary colors from Big Ten articles I've noticed there's multiple different templates that fill colors by calling a team name, some with borders and some without. What does everyone think in regard to the current state of rivalry game/trophy/series articles and coloring of the results tables? I personally feel like color does look fine (and honestly even enhancing) when it's just two or three (such as Commander-in-Chief's Trophy, Beehive Boot, et al) teams in the same table, but some matchups where the colors are similar (such as Kansas vs. Kansas State) might benefit from switching to the templates that include a secondary color as a border. Interested to hear peoples' thoughts on that. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241101153900-More_colors_to_delete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241101153900-More_colors_to_delete"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241101153900-More_colors_to_delete"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241101154000-Greenday61892-20241101153900"></span>I should add now that I think of it too, if it's decided to switch to the templates with borders, it should of course be for all matchups for consistency, not just the ones that need them more. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241101154000-Greenday61892-20241101153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241101154000-Greenday61892-20241101153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241101154000-Greenday61892-20241101153900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241102001900-Greenday61892-20241101154000"></span>I don't think anyone has objected to team colors for rivalry articles when it's just two or three different colors. The rivalry articles use <a href="/wiki/Template:NCAA_color_cell" title="Template:NCAA color cell">Template:NCAA color cell</a>, which has a border field that can used to add a border with the secondary team color. But I don't think adding borders is a great idea for rivalry results tables because we'll be going from two colors to four, getting closer to the rainbows we're trying to avoid. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241102001900-Greenday61892-20241101154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241102001900-Greenday61892-20241101154000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241102001900-Greenday61892-20241101154000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241102030300-Jweiss11-20241102001900"></span>That's a fair point. What should we do about the instances like Kansas/KSU where the colors in the table as they currently stand are very similar? There's some that I can't think of off the top of my head at the moment that are even closer than that pair. I was thinking that the borders would create a contrast to better distinguish them, but I get the not wanting to add even more colors as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241102030300-Jweiss11-20241102001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241102030300-Jweiss11-20241102001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241102030300-Jweiss11-20241102001900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenday61892-20241122161900-Jweiss11-20241102001900"></span>I'm considering using a tool to compare the four sets of possible combinations between two teams (primary/primary, p/secondary, s/p, s/s) for best possible accessibility contrast; I couldn't find anything in the MOS to tell if that would be a worthwhile venture (or if it'd even been MOS compliant), but perhaps I missed something. Anyone think it wouldn't be worthwhile? <a href="/wiki/User:Greenday61892" title="User:Greenday61892">Greenday61892</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenday61892" title="User talk:Greenday61892">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Greenday61892-20241122161900-Jweiss11-20241102001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenday61892-20241122161900-Jweiss11-20241102001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenday61892-20241122161900-Jweiss11-20241102001900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities-20241005132100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities-20241005132100"></span>Mass changes to stadium capacities<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities-20241005132100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Mass changes to stadium capacities"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241005132100-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities"></span>Editor <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:S085427">S085427</a></span> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:S085427" title="User talk:S085427">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S085427" title="Special:Contributions/S085427">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/S085427" title="Special:DeletedContributions/S085427">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Nuke/S085427" title="Special:Nuke/S085427">nuke contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/S085427" title="Special:Log/S085427">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=S085427">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/S085427" title="Special:Block/S085427">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AS085427">block log</a>)</span></span> has made a large number (looks to be 100+) of changes to college football team and stadium articles, modifying capacity figures. The ones I've looked at are all unsourced, or differ from cited sourcing. This editor's only contributions are these edits, all made on 5 October. This is an unusual behavior, possible vandalism, so I wanted to advise this community, as members here may be more familiar with capacity figures than I am. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241005132100-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241005132100-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241005132100-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241005135400-Dmoore5556-20241005132100"></span>Their last edit at <a href="/wiki/California_Memorial_Stadium" title="California Memorial Stadium">California Memorial Stadium</a> contradicted the exisitng source. I left them a talk page message about sourcing their changes. It could be a technicality about tarps, but it needs sourcing.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241005135400-Dmoore5556-20241005132100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241005135400-Dmoore5556-20241005132100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241005135400-Dmoore5556-20241005132100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241005223500-Bagumba-20241005135400"></span>That editor quite possibly may be a sock of <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:72.228.166.74&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:72.228.166.74 (page does not exist)">72.228.166.74</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:72.228.166.74" title="User talk:72.228.166.74">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.228.166.74" title="Special:Contributions/72.228.166.74">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/72.228.166.74" title="Special:DeletedContributions/72.228.166.74">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=72.228.166.74">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=72.228.166.74">WHOIS</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dnswatch.info/dns/dnslookup?host=72.228.166.74&submit=Resolve&la=en">RDNS</a> <b>·</b> <a 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241005223500-Bagumba-20241005135400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241005223500-Bagumba-20241005135400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241114203800-Mass_changes_to_stadium_capacities"></span>This editor has resurfaced today, apparantly, making dozens of unsourced changes as <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:67.241.182.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:67.241.182.146 (page does not exist)">67.241.182.146</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:67.241.182.146" title="User talk:67.241.182.146">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.241.182.146" 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You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_9#Template:Redshirt" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 October 9"><b>the entry on the Templates for discussion page</b></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241013025500-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Redshirt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241013025500-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Redshirt"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241013025500-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Redshirt"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="National_Finalist" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_Finalist-20241015135100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-National_Finalist-20241015135100"></span>National Finalist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-National_Finalist-20241015135100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: National Finalist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jjazz76-20241015135100-National_Finalist"></span>I was just browsing Wikipedia and saw the term National Finalist under Michigan in 2023. It kind of makes sense there, but then looking at the Notre Dame article, and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Michigan_Wolverines_football#National_Finalist?" title="Talk:Michigan Wolverines football">in our discussion</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> looked at Alabama and we see a number of pre-1992 listings, as well as some years ND was ranked #2 at year's end but actually won their final bowl game. Do we have any thoughts on how can assume consistency with this term "national finalist"? There's also the issue that these National Finalist designations seem to be uncited, so I'm really skeptical if Notre Dame should be called a national finalist in many of these years at all. (I'll pick on ND since I went there for grad school, but the point is a broader one.) Ultimately I'm wondering if this is sort of a retroactive move on prior football years. Maybe there are sources to support this, in which case we should add them. <a href="/wiki/User:Jjazz76" title="User:Jjazz76">Jjazz76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjazz76" title="User talk:Jjazz76">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jjazz76-20241015135100-National_Finalist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jjazz76-20241015135100-National_Finalist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jjazz76-20241015135100-National_Finalist"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241015162700-Jjazz76-20241015135100"></span>The <a href="/wiki/1932_Rose_Bowl" title="1932 Rose Bowl">1932 Rose Bowl</a> was a national championship game between No. 1 <a href="/wiki/1931_Tulane_Green_Wave_football_team" title="1931 Tulane Green Wave football team">Tulane</a> and No. 2 <a href="/wiki/1931_USC_Trojans_football_team" title="1931 USC Trojans football team">USC</a>. The teams topped the end-of-season poll, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-tampa-times-rose-bowl-winner-will-be/120483337/">the committee elected to award</a> the <a href="/wiki/Albert_Russel_Erskine_Trophy" title="Albert Russel Erskine Trophy">Albert Russel Erskine Trophy</a> for the national championship to the winner on the gridiron.</dd> <dd>That game is no less of a "national championship game" than, say, the <a href="/wiki/1995_Orange_Bowl" title="1995 Orange Bowl">1995 Orange Bowl</a>. It's arguably <i>more</i> of one, as the <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Coalition" title="Bowl Coalition">Bowl Coalition</a>'s game (1) did not award a trophy and their champion was still at the mercy of the polls and (2) was a No. 1 vs. No. 3 matchup that left out <a href="/wiki/1994_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_football_team" title="1994 Penn State Nittany Lions football team">Penn State</a>.</dd> <dd>If the "National Finalist" field exists in the infobox, Tulane and USC should definitely be tallied for the 1931 season. I've previously added it to their inboxes, with citations: <a href="/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave_football" title="Tulane Green Wave football">Tulane</a>, <a href="/wiki/USC_Trojans_football" title="USC Trojans football">USC</a>.</dd> <dd>Pre-1992 national championship games are collected at <a href="/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS#Historic_occurrences" title="College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS">College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS#Historic occurrences</a>. I don't necessarily think all of the games there should be immediately added to every team's infobox, but there you'll find citations for our current crop of historic NCGs. Help appreciated on expansion or research on that list.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241015162700-Jjazz76-20241015135100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241015162700-Jjazz76-20241015135100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241015162700-Jjazz76-20241015135100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241015214400-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"></span>To clarify, we are talking about the NatlFinalist field in <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_college_football_team" title="Template:Infobox college football team">Template:Infobox college football team</a>. See examples at <a href="/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football" title="Notre Dame Fighting Irish football">Notre Dame Fighting Irish football</a>, <a href="/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" title="Alabama Crimson Tide football">Alabama Crimson Tide football</a>, <a href="/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines_football" title="Michigan Wolverines football">Michigan Wolverines football</a>, <a href="/wiki/Miami_Hurricanes_football" title="Miami Hurricanes football">Miami Hurricanes football</a>, etc. Designating "finalists" in this way before CFP, the BCS, or, moreover, the <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Coalition" title="Bowl Coalition">Bowl Coalition</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Alliance" title="Bowl Alliance">Bowl Alliance</a>, seems rather tenuous and OR-ish. It might be a good idea to eliminate this field altogether. At the least, we should restrict it to finalists of tournaments, i.e. BCS-onward or CFP-onward for FBS, and NCAA/NAIA tourneys for lower divisions. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241015214400-PK-WIKI-20241015162700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241015214400-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241015214400-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jjazz76-20241015223200-Jweiss11-20241015214400"></span>Yeah barring some sources I'm completely missing I'm going to second @<a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a>'s suggestion. Claimed national titles and unclaimed national titles are easy to cite. The National Finalist category pre-1992 seems to open up about a million can of worms and does strike me as rather OR-ish, barring some sources I simply don't know about. <a href="/wiki/User:Jjazz76" title="User:Jjazz76">Jjazz76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjazz76" title="User talk:Jjazz76">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jjazz76-20241015223200-Jweiss11-20241015214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jjazz76-20241015223200-Jweiss11-20241015214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jjazz76-20241015223200-Jweiss11-20241015214400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241016032300-Jjazz76-20241015223200"></span>Agree. Feels weird to have editors deciding who's a national finalist and who's not without some sort of all-encompassing NCAA list or the like. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241016032300-Jjazz76-20241015223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241016032300-Jjazz76-20241015223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241016032300-Jjazz76-20241015223200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016042100-PCN02WPS-20241016032300"></span>"National championship games" existed for decades prior to 1992. They are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-palm-beach-post-notre-dames-loss-is/119803888/">well covered</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-courier-news-should-there-be-college/111956213/">in reliable sources</a>; this is not original research. USC played back-to-back national championship games for national championship trophies in <a href="/wiki/1932_Rose_Bowl" title="1932 Rose Bowl">1931</a> and <a href="/wiki/1933_Rose_Bowl" title="1933 Rose Bowl">1932</a>.</dd> <dd>While we might think of it now as an "era", the Bowl Coalition was in reality a minor scheduling agreement between <i>some</i> of the existing bowls. One of their goals was to <i>more reliably</i> set up national championship games... the exact kind of existing NCGs that capped the 1985-1988 seasons in the Orange Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. Note that an NCG was not guaranteed post-1992: the No. 1 SEC champion (Sugar Bowl) could never match the No. 2 Big Eight champion (Orange Bowl) for example. That's setting aside that the Big Ten, Pac-10, and Rose Bowl weren't involved at all. The Bowl Coalition was a continuation of the existing Bowl system meant to offer <i>some</i> increased opportunity to schedule more of the existing "ad hoc" NCGs that had existed for decades.</dd> <dd>There is zero difference between the <a href="/wiki/1988_Orange_Bowl" title="1988 Orange Bowl">1988 Orange Bowl</a> and the <a href="/wiki/1994_Orange_Bowl" title="1994 Orange Bowl">1994 Orange Bowl</a>. Both were No. 1 vs. No. 2 national championship games, seeded in the same manner. If we are including one we must include the other.</dd> <dd>Teams like <a href="/wiki/1931_Tulane_Green_Wave_football_team" title="1931 Tulane Green Wave football team">1931 Tulane</a>, <a href="/wiki/1932_Pittsburgh_Panthers_football_team" title="1932 Pittsburgh Panthers football team">1932 Pitt</a>, <a href="/wiki/1969_Arkansas_Razorbacks_football_team" title="1969 Arkansas Razorbacks football team">1969 Arkansas</a>, <a href="/wiki/1971_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="1971 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">1971 Alabama</a> and <a href="/wiki/1973_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" class="mw-redirect" title="1973 Alabama Crimson Tide football">1973 Alabama</a> absolutely deserve to be marked as "National Finalists" if that field exists. They played in a national championship game with a national championship trophy at stake. This is covered by reliable sources and by the very definition of the term.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241016042100-PCN02WPS-20241016032300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016042100-PCN02WPS-20241016032300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241016042100-PCN02WPS-20241016032300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241016044300-PK-WIKI-20241016042100"></span>PK-WIKI, yes, national championships existed before the BCS, but "national championships games" were tenuous and contingent on the stars aligning just right. Do any sources pre-BCS use the verbiage "national championship finalist"? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241016044300-PK-WIKI-20241016042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241016044300-PK-WIKI-20241016042100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241016044300-PK-WIKI-20241016042100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016070000-Jweiss11-20241016044300"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Coalition" title="Bowl Coalition">Bowl Coalition</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Alliance" title="Bowl Alliance">Bowl Alliance</a> NCGs were also tenuous and contingent on the stars aligning just right. And the stars DIDN'T align... the <a href="/wiki/1995_Orange_Bowl" title="1995 Orange Bowl">1995 Orange Bowl</a> omitted undefeated No. 2 Penn State. Luckily for the Coalition, that didn't result in a split title. The <a href="/wiki/1998_Orange_Bowl" title="1998 Orange Bowl">1998 Orange Bowl</a> didn't include No. 1 Michigan, eventual AP champion, but the "NCG" was saved by the Coaches voting for a retiring <a href="/wiki/Tom_Osborne" title="Tom Osborne">Tom Osborne</a>. National championship games existed before the BCS, before the CFP. Adding a strict cutoff for only BCS or CFP "finalists" is what would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241016070000-Jweiss11-20241016044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016070000-Jweiss11-20241016044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241016070000-Jweiss11-20241016044300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241016060000-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"></span>The <a href="/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS#Historic_occurrences" title="College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS">"Historic occurrences"</a> lists games that weren't even #1 vs #2. Are these WP-created selection criteria? The same section also says (unsourced) <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Despite the promotional billing, in several instances there were plausible scenarios for a third team to be selected as national champion by the major selectors, depending on outcomes of other games.</q>—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241016060000-PK-WIKI-20241015162700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241016060000-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241016060000-PK-WIKI-20241015162700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016071400-Bagumba-20241016060000"></span>The selection criteria is that the games were referred to by cited reliable sources as a "national championship game". <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241016071400-Bagumba-20241016060000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016071400-Bagumba-20241016060000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241016071400-Bagumba-20241016060000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241016163100-PK-WIKI-20241016071400"></span>PK, I agree that NCs and NC games were still pretty tenous/contigent during the Bowl Coalition / Alliance era, as two major conferences and one major bowl were not a part. But they were less tenuous than before. Let me reiterate a key question from above: do any sources pre-BCS use the verbiage "national championship finalist"? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241016163100-PK-WIKI-20241016071400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241016163100-PK-WIKI-20241016071400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241016163100-PK-WIKI-20241016071400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016210800-Jweiss11-20241016163100"></span>That's a difficult phrase to search for and isolate, so I'm not sure I currently have the answer. But when the Associated Press <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-saginaw-news-tulane-green-wave-rolli/157261139/">writes a contemporary story headlined</a> <i>"Team Beaten in National Championship Game Due Home Tuesday"</i> detailing the "35 green shirted heroes" returning home with accolades, IMO that's substantially the same treatment as calling them a "finalist".</dd> <dd>I'm also not clear that any BCS-era sources use that phrasing. It's probably more from the CFP as a virtue of there being semifinal and final rounds.</dd> <dd>Suggestion: <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">"National championship game appearances: 1 (1931)"</code> might be better / more inclusive phrasing for the infobox. This would also eliminate the issue with <a href="/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines_football" title="Michigan Wolverines football">Michigan</a> etc. where "National finalist" somewhat implies that they lost the game (which is the original issue that spawned this entire discussion).</dd> <dd>P.S. note that in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-saginaw-news-tulane-green-wave-rolli/157261139/">the AP column</a> directly below the one I linked to above, they tell us that the <a href="/wiki/Dickinson_System" title="Dickinson System">Dickinson System</a> trophy for 1931 was <i>also</i> awarded based on the results of the Rose Bowl NCG and not solely by math. That's newly discovered info that should be added to Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241016210800-Jweiss11-20241016163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241016210800-Jweiss11-20241016163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241016210800-Jweiss11-20241016163100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241017010400-PK-WIKI-20241016210800"></span>PK, "National championship game appearances" is an improvement in terms of clarity over "National finalist", but it is pretty wordy for an infobox field label. I lean toward just eliminating the field altogether. Certainly go ahead and add that detail about 1931 to the relevant articles! <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241017010400-PK-WIKI-20241016210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241017010400-PK-WIKI-20241016210800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241017010400-PK-WIKI-20241016210800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241017054500-Jweiss11-20241017010400"></span>Just talking infobox only, its inclusion goes against <a href="/wiki/MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE">MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE</a> to be lean and mean. Programs are more defined by their actual championships, not being close. Otherwise, we get a mess like in basketball e.g. <a href="/wiki/UCLA_Bruins_men%27s_basketball" title="UCLA Bruins men's basketball">UCLA Bruins men's basketball</a>, <a href="/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils_men%27s_basketball" title="Duke Blue Devils men's basketball">Duke Blue Devils men's basketball</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tennessee_Lady_Volunteers_basketball" title="Tennessee Lady Volunteers basketball">Tennessee Lady Volunteers basketball</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241017054500-Jweiss11-20241017010400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241017054500-Jweiss11-20241017010400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241017054500-Jweiss11-20241017010400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Independents_records_templates_before_1962" data-mw-thread-id="h-Independents_records_templates_before_1962-20241016172600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Independents_records_templates_before_1962-20241016172600"></span>Independents records templates before 1962<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Independents_records_templates_before_1962-20241016172600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Independents records templates before 1962"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241016172600-Independents_records_templates_before_1962"></span>We still have NCAA University Division and NCAA College Division record templates for independents for 1956 through 1960, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Template:1960_NCAA_University_Division_independents_football_records" title="Template:1960 NCAA University Division independents football records">Template:1960 NCAA University Division independents football records</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:1960_NCAA_College_Division_independents_football_records" title="Template:1960 NCAA College Division independents football records">Template:1960 NCAA College Division independents football records</a>. I believe these are the last remants of reference to the University Division and College Divisions for football prior to 1962. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a>, thanks for creating regional templates for 1961, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Template:1961_Eastern_college_football_independents_records" title="Template:1961 Eastern college football independents records">Template:1961 Eastern college football independents records</a>. For 1946, we have the four geographical regions each split into major and non-major, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Template:1946_Eastern_major_college_football_independents_records" title="Template:1946 Eastern major college football independents records">Template:1946 Eastern major college football independents records</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:1946_Eastern_non-major_college_football_independents_records" title="Template:1946 Eastern non-major college football independents records">Template:1946 Eastern non-major college football independents records</a>. We should probably do the same for all the seasons prior to 1962 going to back to the first designation of "major" programs. I believe that was in 1937? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241016172600-Independents_records_templates_before_1962" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241016172600-Independents_records_templates_before_1962"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241016172600-Independents_records_templates_before_1962"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES-20241020020400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES-20241020020400"></span>Bowl games and WP:LIVESCORES<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES-20241020020400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Bowl games and WP:LIVESCORES"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241020020400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"></span>I am seeking input from this community as to what is considered acceptable editing of bowl game articles while such games are in progress. </p><p>I have, in past bowl seasons, seen editors add scoring detail to a bowl game article, while the game is in progress. I've done so myself at some points. Such detail appears within "Game summary" sections, for example, see <a href="/wiki/2023_Myrtle_Beach_Bowl#Game_summary" title="2023 Myrtle Beach Bowl">2023 Myrtle Beach Bowl#Game summary</a>. Changes are not made to the scoreline in the infobox, but within the main body of the article itself, to capture the detail of individual scoring events, for example: </p> <ul><li>(06:27) OHIO – <b>Gianni Spetic 27-yard FG</b> 11 plays, 43 yards, TOP 06:42 (OHIO 3–0)</li></ul> <p>Usually, such edits don't garner attention, but from time to time an editor will revert such edits, citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIVESCORES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIVESCORES">WP:LIVESCORES</a>. </p><p>I'm interested to know if editors here feel that bowl game edits like the above example, made before a game has been played to completion, are acceptable, or not, or ? <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241020020400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241020020400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241020020400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241020034200-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"></span>I try to distinguish what I personally do (I generally dont do in-game updates) versus what others want to do. I have less of an issue with scoring events or quarter score updates, if cited, as the content presumably will be retained in future versions. To that extent, I have a bigger issue with NFL and MLB updates that churn running in-season and career stats after every game; it just clogs up watchlists, page history, and servers for content that's not retained. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241020034200-Dmoore5556-20241020020400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241020034200-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241020034200-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIVESCORES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIVESCORES"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241020072900-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"></span>WP:LIVESCORES</a> is a clause in the MOS for the snooker project so it has no enforcement power for college football or any other sports besides snooker. Has there been a consensus reached in this college football project or the general sports project? <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241020072900-Dmoore5556-20241020020400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241020072900-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241020072900-Dmoore5556-20241020020400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241020225200-Left_guide-20241020072900"></span>I am not aware of any prior consensus being reached here (college football project) or more broadly in general sports on this topic. Personally, I am <b>in favor</b> of allowing (not reverting) in-game updates of scoring plays (example above), when such updates are noting factual events and are not being displayed in the article's infobox (the infobox scoreline should be populated upon completion of the event). Other editors are welcome to add comment to see if we reach consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241020225200-Left_guide-20241020072900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241020225200-Left_guide-20241020072900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241020225200-Left_guide-20241020072900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241029213400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"></span>Looking for consensus</b> – are editors accepting of <i>scoring detail</i> (explicitly not infobox scorelines) being added to bowl game articles while a game is in progress, or do editors feel that's bad practice and such edits should be reverted, with detail only added after a game ends? <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241029213400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241029213400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241029213400-Bowl_games_and_WP:LIVESCORES"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241029224700-Dmoore5556-20241029213400"></span>I think it makes sense to wait until a game is over to add any details from the gameplay itself. But reverting the addition of accurate, standardized details while the game is still in progress also seems counterproductive. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241029224700-Dmoore5556-20241029213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241029224700-Dmoore5556-20241029213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241029224700-Dmoore5556-20241029213400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility-20241020231400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility-20241020231400"></span>Minimums for career leaderboard eligibility<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility-20241020231400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Minimums for career leaderboard eligibility"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soulbust-20241020231400-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility"></span>I posted <a href="/wiki/Talk:NCAA_Division_I_FBS_passing_leaders#Minimum_career_attempts_for_completion_percentage" title="Talk:NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders">this question</a> over on the talk page for the <a href="/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_passing_leaders" title="NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders">NCAA Division I FBS passing leaders</a> list, but figured I would ask here too, given the scope of the WikiProject. I think whatever gets discussed/decided about this could also apply to other lists such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Lists_of_college_football_statistical_leaders_by_team" title="Category:Lists of college football statistical leaders by team">school-specific lists</a>. So, would just like more clairty on how we're determining minimums for career leaderboards. Because the aforementioned passing leaders list sets it at 500 attempts for pass completion percentage, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/requirements.html">Sports-Reference</a> sets their minimum at 875 pass attempts. <a href="/wiki/User:Soulbust" title="User:Soulbust">Soulbust</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soulbust" title="User talk:Soulbust">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Soulbust-20241020231400-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soulbust-20241020231400-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soulbust-20241020231400-Minimums_for_career_leaderboard_eligibility"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241021023500-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span>Rather than "how we're determining minimums", it would seem the discussion should start with "what do reliable sources use as minimums". <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241021023500-Soulbust-20241020231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241021023500-Soulbust-20241020231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241021023500-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241021040000-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Soulbust" title="User:Soulbust">Soulbust</a>: I redirected that discussion here (since there's already a response here) to avoid a fragemented disucssion.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241021040000-Soulbust-20241020231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241021040000-Soulbust-20241020231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241021040000-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241021041700-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span>875 is also at the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://fs.ncaa.org.s3.amazonaws.com/Docs/stats/football_records/FBS.pdf#page=7">NCAA's record book</a>. Incidentally, they don't have a list of leaders for completion percentage. Is it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> to track? —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241021041700-Soulbust-20241020231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241021041700-Soulbust-20241020231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241021041700-Soulbust-20241020231400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024-20241021182300"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium.23Requested_move_21_October_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024-20241021182300"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:FIU Stadium">Talk:FIU Stadium#Requested move 21 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024-20241021182300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:FIU Stadium#Requested move 21 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esb5415-20241021182300-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/40px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/80px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>An editor has requested that <a href="/wiki/FIU_Stadium" class="mw-redirect" title="FIU Stadium">FIU Stadium</a> be moved to <a href="/wiki/Pitbull_Stadium" title="Pitbull Stadium">Pitbull Stadium</a>, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in <a href="/wiki/Talk:FIU_Stadium" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:FIU Stadium">the move discussion</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Esb5415" title="User:Esb5415">Esb5415</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esb5415" title="User talk:Esb5415">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Esb5415" title="Special:Contributions/Esb5415">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Esb5415-20241021182300-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esb5415-20241021182300-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esb5415-20241021182300-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2024_Bowl_page_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-2024_Bowl_page_articles-20241022134500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2024_Bowl_page_articles-20241022134500"></span>2024 Bowl page articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2024_Bowl_page_articles-20241022134500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: 2024 Bowl page articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esolo5002-20241022134500-2024_Bowl_page_articles"></span>We now have 2024 articles for every single bowl game, despite the fact that in all most all cases there has been no significant coverage and certainly no information that needs a new article. I suggest these pages are redirected, at least until teams are announced. </p><p>I’m not totally sure that individual pages for most of these bowls are even necessary but I’m not sure that discussion is necessary at the moment. <a href="/wiki/User:Esolo5002" title="User:Esolo5002">Esolo5002</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esolo5002" title="User talk:Esolo5002">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Esolo5002-20241022134500-2024_Bowl_page_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esolo5002-20241022134500-2024_Bowl_page_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esolo5002-20241022134500-2024_Bowl_page_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241022140300-Esolo5002-20241022134500"></span>Individual bowl game articles have been kept overwhelmingly at AfD time and time again, since each bowl game gets fairly extensive standalone coverage from sources, but like you said this probably isn't the time/place for that discussion. As for this year's, I think it would be rather pointless to go through and redirect them at this point since they'll just all be recreated in about a month when matchups are announced, though maybe the community could come up with some sort of consensus one way or the other as to when we should wait to start making bowl game articles last year? I used to be pretty involved with this but I don't create as many as I used to so I feel the opinions of others who are more involved would be quite valuable. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241022140300-Esolo5002-20241022134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241022140300-Esolo5002-20241022134500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241022140300-Esolo5002-20241022134500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241022145100-Esolo5002-20241022134500"></span>I have two differing views on this. For the 2024–25 articles that already exist, removing their content (making them redirects) will just create churn, as they're all going to re-exist in a few week's time. That said, I do think the slate of bowl game articles are getting created "too soon". I looked at individual <a href="/wiki/Alamo_Bowl" title="Alamo Bowl">Alamo Bowl</a> (picked randomly) articles, to see when they were created:</dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/2024_Alamo_Bowl" title="2024 Alamo Bowl">2024 Alamo Bowl</a> created June 29, 2024</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2023_Alamo_Bowl" title="2023 Alamo Bowl">2023 Alamo Bowl</a> created June 28, 2023</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2022_Alamo_Bowl" title="2022 Alamo Bowl">2022 Alamo Bowl</a> created November 2, 2022</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2021_Alamo_Bowl" title="2021 Alamo Bowl">2021 Alamo Bowl</a> created June 16, 2021</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2020_Alamo_Bowl" title="2020 Alamo Bowl">2020 Alamo Bowl</a> created September 16, 2020</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2015_Alamo_Bowl" title="2015 Alamo Bowl">2015 Alamo Bowl</a> (January) created November 20, 2014</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2010_Alamo_Bowl_(January)" title="2010 Alamo Bowl (January)">2010 Alamo Bowl (January)</a> created December 4, 2009</li> <li><a href="/wiki/2005_Alamo_Bowl" title="2005 Alamo Bowl">2005 Alamo Bowl</a> created January 8, 2008 (after the fact)</li></ul> <dl><dd>I think that, in future seasons, waiting until something like November 15 or December 1 (given that bowl seasons typically starts around December 15) to create a season's slate of individual bowl game articles would make sense. The overall bowl article can be created earlier, although I noticed that <a href="/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_NCAA_football_bowl_games" title="2024–25 NCAA football bowl games">2024–25 NCAA football bowl games</a> was created on February 20, 2024, which also feels "too soon". <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241022145100-Esolo5002-20241022134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241022145100-Esolo5002-20241022134500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241022145100-Esolo5002-20241022134500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2024_Alamo_Bowl" title="2024 Alamo Bowl"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241022151700-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span>2024 Alamo Bowl</a> (and others) can elaborate on how the Pac-12 is still in the mix.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/10/15/midseason-bowl-projections-expect-oregon-to-make-college-football-playoff-cu-to-make-holiday-bowl/">[1]</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241022151700-Dmoore5556-20241022145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241022151700-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241022151700-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241022154100-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a>:</span> Agreed. I am partly to blame for some of the bowl articles existing very early (there were a few years that I went through in June, right after the full bowl schedule was announced, and created all of them as stubs), and I would support a compromise that keeps those links red until later in the season. Just a matter of how to enforce that, especially with editors that aren't as closely involved with WP:CFB and don't check the talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241022154100-Dmoore5556-20241022145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241022154100-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241022154100-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241022155900-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span>Perhaps a lightweight solution is to draftify it (avoids resources of an AfD). Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFTREASON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFTREASON">WP:DRAFTREASON</a>: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>The article is about an upcoming event or forthcoming work that is not notable yet, but likely to become so in the near future</p></blockquote> It doesn't delete something that will eventually be created. Not sure if there's any arguments against this. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241022155900-Dmoore5556-20241022145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241022155900-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241022155900-Dmoore5556-20241022145100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esolo5002-20241022164300-Bagumba-20241022155900"></span>I certainly agree that exceptions should be made in certain instances. If a bowl game has gotten moved for some reason that probably adds some notability in advance of the event. I just think some community consensus would be good. <a href="/wiki/User:Esolo5002" title="User:Esolo5002">Esolo5002</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esolo5002" title="User talk:Esolo5002">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Esolo5002-20241022164300-Bagumba-20241022155900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esolo5002-20241022164300-Bagumba-20241022155900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esolo5002-20241022164300-Bagumba-20241022155900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241022173700-Esolo5002-20241022164300"></span>People should be able to judge by the content and cited sources what is best. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> always applies. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241022173700-Esolo5002-20241022164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241022173700-Esolo5002-20241022164300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241022173700-Esolo5002-20241022164300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY-20241022232900"><span id="Wikipedia_talk:Notability_.28sports.29.23WP:NRIVALRY"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY-20241022232900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY" title="Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)">Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#WP:NRIVALRY</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY-20241022232900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#WP:NRIVALRY"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241022232900-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY"></span>For those interested, there is a discussion ongoing to change the above guideline. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241022232900-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241022232900-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241022232900-Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#WP:NRIVALRY"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2-20241023021900"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium.23Requested_move_21_October_2024_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2-20241023021900"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:FIU Stadium">Talk:FIU Stadium#Requested move 21 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2-20241023021900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:FIU Stadium#Requested move 21 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20241023021900-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:FIU Stadium">Talk:FIU Stadium#Requested move 21 October 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Raladic-20241023021900-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241023021900-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20241023021900-Requested_move_at_Talk:FIU_Stadium#Requested_move_21_October_2024_2"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_schedule_table_ridiculousness" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness-20241029012900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness-20241029012900"></span>More schedule table ridiculousness<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness-20241029012900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: More schedule table ridiculousness"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness"></span>Need some eyes at the <a href="/wiki/2024_Big_12_Conference_football_season" title="2024 Big 12 Conference football season">2024 Big 12 Conference football season</a> page. Some editor keeps reverting edits where I put the summary in the reference column instead of an external link. <a href="/wiki/User:UCO2009bluejay" title="User:UCO2009bluejay">UCO2009bluejay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UCO2009bluejay" title="User talk:UCO2009bluejay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900-More_schedule_table_ridiculousness"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241029033900-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900"></span>I'd also suggest adding something to the user's talk page; some other editors have raised issue there with recent contributions by this person. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241029033900-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241029033900-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241029033900-UCO2009bluejay-20241029012900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241029182500-Dmoore5556-20241029033900"></span>UCO2009bluejay, I just restored your edits, as did <a href="/wiki/User:Jeffrey_R._Clark" title="User:Jeffrey R. Clark">Jeffrey R. Clark</a> before me. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Smitty_Smitty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Smitty Smitty (page does not exist)">Smitty Smitty</a>, eternal links should almost never be embedded into the body of an article like in these schedule tables. In-line citations should be used instead. The article also suffered from team color rainbow madness as well, if anyone wants to address that. It's a rampant problem on these conference season articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241029182500-Dmoore5556-20241029033900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241029182500-Dmoore5556-20241029033900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241029182500-Dmoore5556-20241029033900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500-Jweiss11-20241029182500"></span>The problem with UCO2009bluejay's edit is they only did it for 13 games and left the remainder of the season the same. So it should either be done for all of them or none of them. I don't think citations should be used for any of the games, as it has never be done in the past Big 12 seasons at all. As far as the team colors, I've just been keeping it in line with the previous seasons. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Smitty_Smitty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Smitty Smitty (page does not exist)">Smitty Smitty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smitty_Smitty" title="User talk:Smitty Smitty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500-Jweiss11-20241029182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500-Jweiss11-20241029182500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500-Jweiss11-20241029182500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241029185500-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500"></span>Smitty, it's a lot of work do all of those conversions in one edit. Fixing 13 games is progress. What's been done with the external links for prior Big 12 season is a bad habit that should stop now. There is no Big 12 specific policy or point of style here. Moreover, the issue is more fundamental than the scope of all college football, or all sports. The color issue is a persisent problem that has been discussed here before. In no way was I assigning blame to you for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241029185500-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241029185500-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241029185500-Smitty_Smitty-20241029183500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500-Jweiss11-20241029185500"></span>Do you think it would be better to just have one link to the Big 12 results page at the top of the schedule versus having 100+ links to every single game? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Smitty_Smitty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Smitty Smitty (page does not exist)">Smitty Smitty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smitty_Smitty" title="User talk:Smitty Smitty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500-Jweiss11-20241029185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500-Jweiss11-20241029185500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500-Jweiss11-20241029185500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500"></span>Just finished converting all the external links to inline cites.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jeffrey_R._Clark" title="User:Jeffrey R. Clark"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;"><span style="color: #841617">Jeffrey R. Clark</span></span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeffrey_R._Clark" title="User talk:Jeffrey R. Clark">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_R._Clark" title="Special:Contributions/Jeffrey R. Clark">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200-Smitty_Smitty-20241029190500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232300-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200"></span>Jeffrey R. Clark and Smitty Smitty, thanks to you both for cleaning up this article! <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241030232300-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232300-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241030232300-Jeffrey_R._Clark-20241029233200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game-20241030232200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game-20241030232200"></span>AfD: 1927 Georgia vs. Yale football game<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game-20241030232200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: AfD: 1927 Georgia vs. Yale football game"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game" class="mw-redirect" title="1927 Georgia vs. Yale football game"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232200-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game"></span>1927 Georgia vs. Yale football game</a> has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1927 Georgia vs. Yale football game">here</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241030232200-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232200-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241030232200-AfD:_1927_Georgia_vs._Yale_football_game"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241030232800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241030232800"></span>Stand-alone articles for 100-point games<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241030232800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Stand-alone articles for 100-point games"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232800-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games"></span>Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> recently created two articles for 100-point scoring games in sub-FBS play: <a href="/wiki/1980_Delaware_State_vs._Portland_State_football_game" title="1980 Delaware State vs. Portland State football game">1980 Delaware State vs. Portland State football game</a> (I-AA/FCS) and <a href="/wiki/2003_Trinity_Bible_vs._Rockford_football_game" title="2003 Trinity Bible vs. Rockford football game">2003 Trinity Bible vs. Rockford football game</a> (D3/NAIA). Are these notable enough to warrant stand-alone articles? Or are we better off merging to <a href="/wiki/1980_Delaware_State_Hornets_football_team" title="1980 Delaware State Hornets football team">1980 Delaware State Hornets football team</a>, <a href="/wiki/1980_Portland_State_Vikings_football_team" title="1980 Portland State Vikings football team">1980 Portland State Vikings football team</a>, etc? Thoughts about these? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241030232800-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241030232800-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241030232800-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031001200-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span>Question</b>: how many 100+ point games have there been? Neutral question; it would help clarify how extra-ordinary such games are. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241031001200-Jweiss11-20241030232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031001200-Jweiss11-20241030232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241031001200-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241031021300-Dmoore5556-20241031001200"></span>A lot all-time. But only three in the last 50 years. See <a href="/wiki/List_of_100-point_games_in_college_football" title="List of 100-point games in college football">List of 100-point games in college football</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241031021300-Dmoore5556-20241031001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241031021300-Dmoore5556-20241031001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241031021300-Dmoore5556-20241031001200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span>They are notable enough for their own articles. Rockford beating Trinity Bible 105-0 is the biggest Margin of victory in d3 football history! Portland State beating Delaware State 105-0 is the biggest Margin of victory in modern D1 history(since FCS and FBS was created in 1978) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800-Jweiss11-20241030232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800-Jweiss11-20241030232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031024000-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800"></span>Thanks Jweiss11, the list is quite helpful. Given the rarity of this occurring in the past 50 years, and what looks to be a good number of citations, articles about these two games doesn't strike me as problematic. In contrast, content about such games in earlier years, when it looks to have been non-extraordinary, would seem better placed in team-year articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241031024000-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031024000-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241031024000-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031023800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031144900-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span>I generally favor season articles over game articles except for bowl games or something truly extraordinary. Even more so for a lower-division game. For a regular season game to warrant a stand-alone article, I'd want to see enduring SIGCOV extending well past newspaper articles in the immediate wake of the game. Do we have that here? <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031144900-Jweiss11-20241030232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031144900-Jweiss11-20241030232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031144900-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900"></span>What is SIGCOV? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900-1"></span>I think these articles are noteworthy enough to have their own articles. They also have a number of citations from reliable sources <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-Cbl62-20241031144900-1"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-1"></span>Maybe so, but to establish that, we need to have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> in multiple, reliable, independent sources ... and it needs to be "enduring" beyond reportage in the immediate wake of the game. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031150200-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031145400-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031151600-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span>I don't agree that "100 points" scored by two teams is a good marker of stand-alone notability. It has happened several times in the modern NFL/AFL: (i) <a href="/wiki/2018_Los_Angeles_Rams_season" title="2018 Los Angeles Rams season">2018 Los Angeles Rams</a> 54, Chiefs 51; (ii) <a href="/wiki/2015_New_Orleans_Saints_season" title="2015 New Orleans Saints season">2015 New Orleans Saints</a> 52, Giants 49; (iii) <a href="/wiki/2004_Cincinnati_Bengals_season" title="2004 Cincinnati Bengals season">2004 Cincinnati Bengals</a> 58, Browns 48; (iv) <a href="/wiki/1966_Washington_Redskins_season" title="1966 Washington Redskins season">1966 Washington Redskins</a> 72, Giants 41; and (v) <a href="/wiki/1963_Oakland_Raiders_season" title="1963 Oakland Raiders season">1963 Oakland Raiders</a> 52, Oilers 49. None of these games has a stand-alone article. If an NFL game with > 100 points doesn't warrant a stand-alone article, a lower-division college game with the same point totals is even less likely to warrant a stand-alone article. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031151600-Jweiss11-20241030232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031151600-Jweiss11-20241030232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031151600-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BeanieFan11-20241031151800-Cbl62-20241031151600"></span>FWIW, these are games where <i>one team</i> scored over 100 points. <a href="/wiki/User:BeanieFan11" title="User:BeanieFan11">BeanieFan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BeanieFan11" title="User talk:BeanieFan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-BeanieFan11-20241031151800-Cbl62-20241031151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BeanieFan11-20241031151800-Cbl62-20241031151600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BeanieFan11-20241031151800-Cbl62-20241031151600"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200-Cbl62-20241031151600"></span>It's games where a team has scored over 99 points by themselves <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200-Cbl62-20241031151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200-Cbl62-20241031151600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200-Cbl62-20241031151600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031154800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200"></span>I'm just saying that it's not a basis for automatic notability. Especially for the lower levels of amateur football. Season articles are and should be the norm. For stand-alone games, we need enduring SIGCOV in multiple, reliable, independent sources. I asked at the outset: Do we have that here? <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031154800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031154800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031154800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031153200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200-Cbl62-20241031154800"></span>there are multiple reliable sources cited in both articles <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200-Cbl62-20241031154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200-Cbl62-20241031154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200-Cbl62-20241031154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031162100-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"></span>I've asked several times: Which ones represent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE">WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> in reliable, independent sources? <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031162100-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031162100-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031162100-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241031163400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"></span>The Opta Analyst site doesn't appear to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USEDBYOTHERS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USEDBYOTHERS">WP:USEDBYOTHERS</a> to be considered reliable (and the site appears to rely on AI).—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241031163400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241031163400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241031163400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031161200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700-Bagumba-20241031163400"></span>But the other ones are reliable <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700-Bagumba-20241031163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700-Bagumba-20241031163400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700-Bagumba-20241031163400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241031182400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700"></span>As Cbl62 mentioned, sources also need to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">WP:INDEPENDENT</a> to establish notability. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241031182400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241031182400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241031182400-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031181700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900-Bagumba-20241031182400"></span>which sources that I cited would qualify as independent? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Iamsogoodatchess1469&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Iamsogoodatchess1469 (page does not exist)">Iamsogoodatchess1469</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469" title="User talk:Iamsogoodatchess1469">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900-Bagumba-20241031182400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900-Bagumba-20241031182400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900-Bagumba-20241031182400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031194800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900"></span>In general, media guides, press releases, websites, student newspapers and other sources published by the school, its students, athletic program, alumni association or conference, and the NCAA are not considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031194800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031194800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031194800-Iamsogoodatchess1469-20241031184900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241031201100-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span>Most of us have other obligations on Wikipedia and in real life, so instead of wasting community time bickering over useless <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Subjective_importance" title="Wikipedia:Subjective importance">WP:Subjective importance</a> arguments, we should be collectively searching for appropriate sources on these topics. If they're available, show them or add them to the article. If searches are performed and insufficient coverage is found, then PROD them or send them to AfD. I found <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=EV557kOFNlcC&pg=PA60&dq=delaware+state+portland+state+105-0&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIy-a9tLmJAxVBMzQIHR5qFfsQ6AF6BAgGEAM#v=onepage&q=delaware%20state%20portland%20state%20105-0&f=false">these</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=0Od2CQAAQBAJ&pg=PT21&dq=delaware+state+portland+state+105-0&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5w-jZtLmJAxX3FTQIHXgCOvk4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=delaware%20state%20portland%20state%20105-0&f=false">two</a> books discussing the 1980 game, but not sure about the reliability of those publishers. I'll try to search for more when additional free time is available, I invite others to assist also. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241031201100-Jweiss11-20241030232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241031201100-Jweiss11-20241030232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241031201100-Jweiss11-20241030232800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031213500-Left_guide-20241031201100"></span>Discussions about notability are not "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">useless</q>". To the contrary, such discussions help ensure that project participants have an understanding of what's needed to satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. If you find such disussions to be "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">wasting community time</q>", don't worry, there's no obligation to participate. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031213500-Left_guide-20241031201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031213500-Left_guide-20241031201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031213500-Left_guide-20241031201100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241031214800-Cbl62-20241031213500"></span>BTW, I agree that the three paragraphs on the 1980 Portland State game in the book on "Oregon Sports Stories" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=0Od2CQAAQBAJ&pg=PT21&dq=delaware+state+portland+state+105-0&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5w-jZtLmJAxX3FTQIHXgCOvk4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=delaware%20state%20portland%20state%20105-0&f=false">here</a>) is SIGCOV, and I don't see why <a href="/wiki/Arcadia_Publishing" title="Arcadia Publishing">Arcadia Publishing</a> would not qualify as reliable. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241031214800-Cbl62-20241031213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241031214800-Cbl62-20241031213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241031214800-Cbl62-20241031213500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241101111900-Cbl62-20241031214800"></span>Didn't realize that History Press is an imprint of Arcadia, which is a publisher the community seems to have a complicated relationship with. It may be necessary to scrutinize the individual book and author to judge reliability. See RSN discussions: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCADIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCADIA">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_426#Arcadia_Publishing" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 426">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_432#Arcadia_Publishing" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 432">3</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241101111900-Cbl62-20241031214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241101111900-Cbl62-20241031214800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241101111900-Cbl62-20241031214800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241031215000-Cbl62-20241031213500"></span>For the 2003 game, there's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/09/16/a-college-football-team-is-going-to-score-100-points-very-very-soon/">this</a> which is paywalled, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Keeping_the_Faith/HtXHswEACAAJ?hl=en">this book</a> from a publisher that's a subsidiary of <a href="/wiki/Rowman_%26_Littlefield" title="Rowman & Littlefield">Rowman & Littlefield</a> so it's probably reliable. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/050906&num=2">This</a> also might count. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241031215000-Cbl62-20241031213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241031215000-Cbl62-20241031213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241031215000-Cbl62-20241031213500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241101101000-Left_guide-20241031215000"></span>There's actually very little in the WaPo article specifically about the 2003 game. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241101101000-Left_guide-20241031215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241101101000-Left_guide-20241031215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241101101000-Left_guide-20241031215000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241101104700-Left_guide-20241031215000"></span>I don't have access to the book. It's description is a bit dubious, referring to the 2003 game as part of the 2004 season: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>An account of a year in the life of the 2004 Trinity Bible College Lions, the worst college football team in the United States. Off to an atrocious start--losing the first game of the year 105-0--the Lions find themselves fighting for victory, but more importantly, dignity.</p></blockquote> —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241101104700-Left_guide-20241031215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241101104700-Left_guide-20241031215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241101104700-Left_guide-20241031215000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Notability_of_individual_bowl_games" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241031223500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241031223500"></span>Notability of individual bowl games<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games-Stand-alone_articles_for_100-point_games-20241031223500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Notability of individual bowl games"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031223500-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games"></span>Question</b> is there an reason why the rare instances (apparently, three) of a single team scoring 100 or more points in NCAA football in the past 50 years are being asked to demonstrate WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, while all articles on individual bowl games (of which, we now have 40+ each season) get an exception? <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241031223500-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031223500-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241031223500-Notability_of_individual_bowl_games"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241031230400-Dmoore5556-20241031223500"></span>It's a good question, but there's no official "exception"; that argument is rooted in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERCONTENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERCONTENT">WP:OTHERCONTENT</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a>. If you believe that something like <a href="/wiki/2017_Gasparilla_Bowl" title="2017 Gasparilla Bowl">2017 Gasparilla Bowl</a> fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEVENT">WP:NEVENT</a> on its own merits, you are free to nominate it for deletion or propose a merge. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241031230400-Dmoore5556-20241031223500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241031230400-Dmoore5556-20241031223500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241031230400-Dmoore5556-20241031223500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031233300-Left_guide-20241031230400"></span>I believe <i>many</i> individual bowl games would fail <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEVENT">WP:NEVENT</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE">WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE</a>. And indeed, while any editor is free to nominate etc. etc., I have no current intent of doing so. I'm looking to understand the application of criteria. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241031233300-Left_guide-20241031230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031233300-Left_guide-20241031230400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241031233300-Left_guide-20241031230400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241031235200-Dmoore5556-20241031233300"></span>The event notability criteria applies the same as it does any other topic area; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER">how well-enforced it is depends on how much folks care about holding the line on notability for quality control, and how much effort they're willing to volunteer in such an endeavor</a>. One possible idea would be to merge the non-notable ones into each season's article for bowl games collectively i.e. <a href="/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NCAA_football_bowl_games" title="2017–18 NCAA football bowl games">2017–18 NCAA football bowl games</a>. But one big hurdle is that it would probably take a lot of time researching per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> since the community may not take kindly to merges or deletions being done willy-nilly en masse. Some may look non-notable on the surface, but actually have good-quality secondary coverage when perusing through Google Books, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241031235200-Dmoore5556-20241031233300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241031235200-Dmoore5556-20241031233300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241031235200-Dmoore5556-20241031233300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241101000400-Left_guide-20241031235200"></span>Coverage of college football history is best told IMO through season articles rather than thousands of articles on individual games. For this reason, I think we should limit game articles by strictly enforcing guidelines such as WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. As for bowl games, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPORTSEVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPORTSEVENT">WP:SPORTSEVENT</a>, prong 2, unfortunately doesn't distinguish between major bowls and things like the <a href="/wiki/1972_Pioneer_Bowl" title="1972 Pioneer Bowl">1972 Pioneer Bowl</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241101000400-Left_guide-20241031235200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241101000400-Left_guide-20241031235200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241101000400-Left_guide-20241031235200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241101094800-Cbl62-20241101000400"></span>Re: bowl games, I'd assume that the host city's press combined with those of a game's respective teams, at a minimum, would account for CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Perhaps that's changed with the watered-down bowl system. A few AfDs that deleted individual bowl pages could cause SPORTSEVENT to be revisited. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241101094800-Cbl62-20241101000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241101094800-Cbl62-20241101000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241101094800-Cbl62-20241101000400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241101102100-Bagumba-20241101094800"></span>I disagree. The host city's press is typically <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUTINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROUTINE">WP:ROUTINE</a> coverage, and sources published by the game's respective teams wouldn't be considered independent. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241101102100-Bagumba-20241101094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241101102100-Bagumba-20241101094800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241101102100-Bagumba-20241101094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241101103900-Left_guide-20241101102100"></span>Sorry, I meant the local press for the respective teams, not the school's themselves. Re: the bowl city's coverage, I used to live in a city that would write about past matchups often—not sure if that's the exception or the norm. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241101103900-Left_guide-20241101102100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241101103900-Left_guide-20241101102100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241101103900-Left_guide-20241101102100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241101105800-Bagumba-20241101103900"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">write about past matchups often</q> Yes, that's the type of secondary <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE">WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE</a> that would satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEVENT">WP:NEVENT</a>, compared to routine previews and recaps published less than a week before and after the game. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241101105800-Bagumba-20241101103900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241101105800-Bagumba-20241101103900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241101105800-Bagumba-20241101103900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)-20241031135300"><span id="Review_of_football_coach_.28Ashley_Cornwell.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)-20241031135300"></span>Review of football coach (Ashley Cornwell)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)-20241031135300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Review of football coach (Ashley Cornwell)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patwomfcs-20241031135300-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)"></span>Would someone who is able to approve pages be willing to review the <a href="/wiki/Draft:Ashley_Cornwell" title="Draft:Ashley Cornwell">draft for Ashley Cornwell</a>? It should meet all of the guidelines including relevance. Please let me know what needs to be improved upon, this is a current Division 1 FCS coach who has had prior experience at Oberlin, Wisconsin, and the NFL. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Patwomfcs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Patwomfcs (page does not exist)">Patwomfcs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patwomfcs" title="User talk:Patwomfcs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Patwomfcs-20241031135300-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patwomfcs-20241031135300-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patwomfcs-20241031135300-Review_of_football_coach_(Ashley_Cornwell)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031144700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span>The draft is located at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ashley_Cornwell">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241031144700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241031144700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241031144700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patwomfcs-20241104152500-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span>Does anyone have any feedback? When and how should I resubmit this page? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Patwomfcs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Patwomfcs (page does not exist)">Patwomfcs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patwomfcs" title="User talk:Patwomfcs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Patwomfcs-20241104152500-Patwomfcs-20241031135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patwomfcs-20241104152500-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patwomfcs-20241104152500-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241104181200-Patwomfcs-20241104152500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Patwomfcs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Patwomfcs (page does not exist)">Patwomfcs</a> I'm not an AfC/draft submission expert, but it doesn't look like it's currently submitted and available for review; you can resubmit it by clicking the blue "Resubmit" button on the AfC template at the top of the page and following whatever further instructions there are. Just make sure the feedback from the previous two declines have been addressed. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241104181200-Patwomfcs-20241104152500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241104181200-Patwomfcs-20241104152500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241104181200-Patwomfcs-20241104152500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patwomfcs-20241106190200-PCN02WPS-20241104181200"></span>My concern is that someone who does not review sports pages will be in charge of submitting it. I was looking at the standards for college football coaches and this does met requirements for this community, but not others. Will submit right now with a note. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Patwomfcs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Patwomfcs (page does not exist)">Patwomfcs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patwomfcs" title="User talk:Patwomfcs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Patwomfcs-20241106190200-PCN02WPS-20241104181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patwomfcs-20241106190200-PCN02WPS-20241104181200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patwomfcs-20241106190200-PCN02WPS-20241104181200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patwomfcs-20241107213800-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span>Page was declined again due to the ESPN Feature being cited on Youtube. Any guidance? Can anyone help get this approved? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Patwomfcs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Patwomfcs (page does not exist)">Patwomfcs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patwomfcs" title="User talk:Patwomfcs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Patwomfcs-20241107213800-Patwomfcs-20241031135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patwomfcs-20241107213800-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patwomfcs-20241107213800-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241108025000-Patwomfcs-20241107213800"></span>Patwomfcs, why don't you remove all the citations to YouTube videos and any content that can only be attributed to those citations? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241108025000-Patwomfcs-20241107213800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241108025000-Patwomfcs-20241107213800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241108025000-Patwomfcs-20241107213800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241108142700-Jweiss11-20241108025000"></span>Agree. The next step should not be finding someone that will accept the article as is, the next step should be improving the article so that it meets the guidelines and can get passed by any reviewer. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241108142700-Jweiss11-20241108025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241108142700-Jweiss11-20241108025000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241108142700-Jweiss11-20241108025000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241109002700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span>It's not clear why extended discussion about a single declined draft is happening here on a WikiProject talk page (which could be seen as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP">WP:FORUMSHOP</a>) especially without notifying the reviewers, when the draft talk page (which is currently empty) at <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Ashley_Cornwell" title="Draft talk:Ashley Cornwell">Draft talk:Ashley Cornwell</a> is the appropriate venue for this. The proper approach would be to start a thread there pinging the three reviewers, and leaving a notice here if wider input is desired. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241109002700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241109002700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241109002700-Patwomfcs-20241031135300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_layout" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_layout-20241110224300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_layout-20241110224300"></span>Article layout<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_layout-20241110224300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Article layout"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mackensen-20241110224300-Article_layout"></span>I feel like I brought this up before but I can't find it. I think the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_College_football/Yearly_team_pages_format" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Yearly team pages format">current team season format</a> lacks an appropriate place for a prose discussion of in-season events. Take <a href="/wiki/2024_Florida_State_Seminoles_football_team" title="2024 Florida State Seminoles football team">2024 Florida State Seminoles football team</a>--the firing of three assistants should be mentioned, but the only real place to do it is in the lead. Similarly, the Stalions controversy is in the lead of <a href="/wiki/2023_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team" title="2023 Michigan Wolverines football team">2023 Michigan Wolverines football team</a> but not otherwise discussed in prose. Looking at <a href="/wiki/1917_Georgia_Tech_Golden_Tornado_football_team" title="1917 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado football team">1917 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado football team</a>, a good article, maybe it's as simple as renaming "Game summaries" to "In-season" or something like that? <a href="/wiki/User:Mackensen" title="User:Mackensen">Mackensen</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mackensen" title="User talk:Mackensen">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Mackensen-20241110224300-Article_layout" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mackensen-20241110224300-Article_layout"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mackensen-20241110224300-Article_layout"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241111024400-Mackensen-20241110224300"></span>Mackensen, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_College_football/Yearly_team_pages_format" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Yearly team pages format">Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Yearly team pages format</a> need a bunch of updating, but I'm not sure the standard "Game summaries" is a problem. There are a number of places the firing of assistant coaches could be mentioned on <a href="/wiki/2024_Florida_State_Seminoles_football_team" title="2024 Florida State Seminoles football team">2024 Florida State Seminoles football team</a>, like in the "at No. 10 Notre Dame" section, since this happened in the aftermath of that game. Or in the "Coaching staff" section. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241111024400-Mackensen-20241110224300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241111024400-Mackensen-20241110224300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241111024400-Mackensen-20241110224300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?-20241111181300"><span id="Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?-20241111181300"></span>Citation template for media guides and programs?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?-20241111181300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Citation template for media guides and programs?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rikster2-20241111181300-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?"></span>Is there an existing citation template that works well for media guides and programs? Doing some updating of basketball articles and hard to find a good fit. Alternatively, should sports projects collaborate to create a template for citing sports periodicals - these are often an excellent source for factual info about players, coaches and teams. Thanks for any thoughts. <a href="/wiki/User:Rikster2" title="User:Rikster2">Rikster2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rikster2" title="User talk:Rikster2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Rikster2-20241111181300-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rikster2-20241111181300-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rikster2-20241111181300-Citation_template_for_media_guides_and_programs?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241111193300-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span>I usually use either <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_magazine" title="Template:Cite magazine">cite magazine</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> - one example is at <a href="/wiki/2014_Texas_Bowl" title="2014 Texas Bowl">2014 Texas Bowl</a>, FN 5. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241111193300-Rikster2-20241111181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241111193300-Rikster2-20241111181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241111193300-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241111200500-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span>From <a href="/wiki/Bow_Down_to_Washington" title="Bow Down to Washington">Bow Down to Washington</a>:</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ref</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="na">name</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s2">"FirstPrinting1915Program"</span><span class="p">>{{</span><span class="nt">cite magazine</span> <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">magazine</span><span class="o">=</span>University of Washington Football Programs <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">title</span><span class="o">=</span>Souvenir program, football game : University of Washington vs. University of California, Saturday, November 13, 1915, Denny Field, Seattle, Washington <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">publisher</span><span class="o">=</span>University of Washington Associated Students <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">url</span><span class="o">=</span>https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/pioneerlife/id/5519/rec/ <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">date</span><span class="o">=</span>November 13, 1915 <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">access-date</span><span class="o">=</span>January 24, 2022 <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">location</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="p">[[</span><span class="nt">Denny Field (Washington)</span><span class="p">|</span>Denny Field<span class="p">]]</span> <span class="p">|</span><span class="nl">page</span><span class="o">=</span>26<span class="p">}}</</span><span class="nt">ref</span><span class="p">></span></code></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241111200500-Rikster2-20241111181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241111200500-Rikster2-20241111181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241111200500-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241112053800-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span>I've used <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for offline media guides before (because cite web requires a url). —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Bagumba-20241112053800-Rikster2-20241111181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241112053800-Rikster2-20241111181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241112053800-Rikster2-20241111181300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241112172600-Bagumba-20241112053800"></span>Most of the media guides I've cited are ones for recent seasons that are available online. For those I've used <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I've used <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for yearbooks, e.g. at <a href="/wiki/1920_Southwest_Texas_State_Bobcats_football_team" title="1920 Southwest Texas State Bobcats football team">1920 Southwest Texas State Bobcats football team</a>. PK-WIKI, note that the citation for 1915 Washington football program above is misusing the location field. That's intended for the city location of the publisher, not the location of an event covered. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241112172600-Bagumba-20241112053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241112172600-Bagumba-20241112053800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241112172600-Bagumba-20241112053800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220900-Bagumba-20241112053800"></span>I typically use "cite magazine" for team media guides and I believe it is sufficient here. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241117220900-Bagumba-20241112053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220900-Bagumba-20241112053800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220900-Bagumba-20241112053800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div 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a whole. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241115133300-WP:2024OPENLETTER" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241115133300-WP:2024OPENLETTER"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241115133300-WP:2024OPENLETTER"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_record_tables" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re-20241117213400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re-20241117213400"></span>Recording the 12-team College Football Playoff in infoboxes and head coaching record tables<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re-20241117213400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Recording the 12-team College Football Playoff in infoboxes and head coaching record tables"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241117213400-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re"></span>Now the the <a href="/wiki/College_Football_Playoff" title="College Football Playoff">College Football Playoff</a> has expanded to 12 teams, some teams will be playing three and possibly four playoff games. We need to think about how we are going to capture this in the infoboxes of team season articles (using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_college_sports_team_season" title="Template:Infobox college sports team season">Infobox college sports team season</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) and head coaching record tables. For teams that made it to the national title game during the four-team playoff era, we've noted both the semfinal bowl game and the national title game; see <a href="/wiki/2023_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team" title="2023 Michigan Wolverines football team">2023 Michigan Wolverines football team</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kirby_Smart#Head_coaching_record" title="Kirby Smart">Kirby Smart#Head coaching record</a>. We've achieved this by hacking the bowl/playoff fields, intended to report just one result, with break tags. We've done the same for some rare examples from decades back when teams played multiple minor bowls; see: <a href="/wiki/1948_Hardin%E2%80%93Simmons_Cowboys_football_team" title="1948 Hardin–Simmons Cowboys football team">1948 Hardin–Simmons Cowboys football team</a>, <a href="/wiki/Warren_B._Woodson#Head_coaching_record" title="Warren B. Woodson">Warren B. Woodson#Head coaching record</a>. Note that for sub-FBS playoff tournaments (NCAA and NAIA), our practice is to only record the result of the final playoff game that teams played, see: <a href="/wiki/2021_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team" title="2021 North Dakota State Bison football team">2021 North Dakota State Bison football team</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matt_Entz" title="Matt Entz">Matt Entz</a>. </p><p>I think we are going to want to report each CFP result in these infoboxes and record tables given that the quarterfinals, semis, and champinship games will all have their own stand-alone articles. For the first-round games, I think we going to detail those at <a href="/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_College_Football_Playoff" title="2024–25 College Football Playoff">2024–25 College Football Playoff</a>, but that's another article there. So we should probably add some fields to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_college_sports_team_season" title="Template:Infobox college sports team season">Infobox college sports team season</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (bowl2, bowl_result2, etc) and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:CFB_Yearly_Record_Entry" title="Template:CFB Yearly Record Entry">CFB Yearly Record Entry</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (bowlname2, bowloutcome2 etc). In the head coaching record tables, we also use a dagger (†) to note bowl/playoff games the were part of the <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Alliance" title="Bowl Alliance">Bowl Alliance</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Coalition" title="Bowl Coalition">Bowl Coalition</a>, BCS, and CFP. This notation is driven by the field named "bcsbowl". That should probably be renamed and reworked, so that when it is activated, the daggers will apply to all the mutliple bowl/playoff results. For the four-team playoff era, we've also hacked this by manually entering a superscripted dagger. </p><p>Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241117213400-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241117213400-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241117213400-Recording_the_12-team_College_Football_Playoff_in_infoboxes_and_head_coaching_re"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241117215000-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span>I personally don't think we should include every playoff result in a season infobox. Otherwise, we could have four game rsults in an infobox which seems like toom much. How does basketball handle it? Just the Final Four? My inclination would be to limit infobox to Final Four. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241117215000-Jweiss11-20241117213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241117215000-Jweiss11-20241117213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241117215000-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220600-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span>My thought would be to note the furthest a team advanced in the bracket: CFP first round (4 teams), CFP quarterfinalist (4 teams), CFP semifinalist (2 teams), CFP finalist (1 team), or CFP champion (1 team). That they happened to play in the XYZ Bowl is now secondary in the overall scheme of CFP. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241117220600-Jweiss11-20241117213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220600-Jweiss11-20241117213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241117220600-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241117230400-Dmoore5556-20241117220600"></span>Cbl, for college basketball, only the final game is recorded in team season infoboxes and head coaching record tables; <a href="/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Villanova_Wildcats_men%27s_basketball_team" title="2017–18 Villanova Wildcats men's basketball team">2017–18 Villanova Wildcats men's basketball team</a> and <a href="/wiki/Jay_Wright_(basketball)#Head_coaching_record" title="Jay Wright (basketball)">Jay Wright (basketball)#Head coaching record</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241117230400-Dmoore5556-20241117220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241117230400-Dmoore5556-20241117220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241117230400-Dmoore5556-20241117220600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241117233900-Jweiss11-20241117230400"></span>Furthest advance makes sense, as Dmoore suggested. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Cbl62-20241117233900-Jweiss11-20241117230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241117233900-Jweiss11-20241117230400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241117233900-Jweiss11-20241117230400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241118000900-Cbl62-20241117233900"></span>Each round in the basketball tournament isn't a named, historic <a href="/wiki/Bowl_Game" class="mw-redirect" title="Bowl Game">Bowl Game</a>. This year in the <a href="/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_College_Football_Playoff" title="2024–25 College Football Playoff">2024–25 College Football Playoff</a> a team will be, say, the <a href="/wiki/Rose_Bowl" class="mw-disambig" title="Rose Bowl">Rose Bowl</a> champion <i><b>and</b></i> <a href="/wiki/Orange_Bowl" title="Orange Bowl">Orange Bowl</a> champion. Both should be listed in all relevant infoboxes, just as those same historic <a href="/wiki/New_Year%27s_Six" title="New Year's Six">New Year's Six</a> bowl game championships are listed in every past CFB team's infobox. The unnamed on-campus games are a different matter and can likely be excluded. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241118000900-Cbl62-20241117233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241118000900-Cbl62-20241117233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241118000900-Cbl62-20241117233900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241118001400-PK-WIKI-20241118000900"></span>Cbl62 and Dmoore5556, would you keep things as is for the four-team playoff era (2014–2023)? What about the head coaching record tables? PK-WIKI, for teams that lose in an on-campus first-round playoff games, I think we'll certatinly want to reflect that in the infoboxes and head coaching record tables, no? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241118001400-PK-WIKI-20241118000900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241118001400-PK-WIKI-20241118000900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241118001400-PK-WIKI-20241118000900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118020500-Jweiss11-20241118001400"></span>(responding to the above question from Jweiss11) Yes, I would go back and trim infoboxes for playoff participants in the CFP era. Take for example <a href="/wiki/2021_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2021 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2021 Alabama Crimson Tide football team</a>. All that needs to be said in "banner" area of the infobox is about 1/3 of what is there: SEC champion, CFP National Championship finalist. That they won the SEC's Western Division on the way to becoming overall SEC champion, or won the Cotton Bowl to get a berth into the CFP final, is detail that (in my view) doesn't belong in the infobox and is amply covered elswhere (note in particular the complete standings for both SEC divisions apearing just below the infobox). <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241118020500-Jweiss11-20241118001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118020500-Jweiss11-20241118001400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241118020500-Jweiss11-20241118001400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241118205500-Dmoore5556-20241118020500"></span>Strongly disagree with removing "Cotton Bowl Classic champion" from <a href="/wiki/2021_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2021 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2021 Alabama Crimson Tide football team</a>. Not sure if that's what you're referring to, or the games/scores in the section below that. I would lean towards possibly removing those; the information is contained elsewhere and it's too busy with multiple post-regular-season games. But we must at least list all championships/bowls won, plus a single line below indicating their final placement in the CFP: CFP National Champion, Finalist, Semifinalist, Quarterfinalist, 12-team participant, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241118205500-Dmoore5556-20241118020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241118205500-Dmoore5556-20241118020500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241118205500-Dmoore5556-20241118020500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-PK-WIKI-20241118205500"></span>In the context of the College Football Playoff, the bowl games that serve as the semifinals (and now quarterfinals) are superfluous to the overall CFP outcome. The 2021 Alabama team was a CFP finalist; that's their key accomplishment with regards to postseason play. That they won whichever bowl game was designated to serve as their semifinal that season, is certainly part of the team's history and the bowl's history, but it's now a distraction (especially with <i>the score</i> quoted) in the individual team's infobox. As I said below in a parallel reply, if that's a bridge too far, let's find what we can agreed to trim back in order to address "banner" area bloating. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-PK-WIKI-20241118205500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-PK-WIKI-20241118205500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-PK-WIKI-20241118205500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PCN02WPS-20241118003000-Jweiss11-20241118001400"></span>We could also save some infobox space by removing the results of the games (perhaps just displaying "Rose Bowl champion" and "Orange Bowl champion" which would take two lines instead of four), though we'd have to come up with some way to display a loss in one of those games. <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;"><b>PCN02WPS</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PCN02WPS" title="User talk:PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS" title="Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS"><span style="color:grey;">contribs</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PCN02WPS-20241118003000-Jweiss11-20241118001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PCN02WPS-20241118003000-Jweiss11-20241118001400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PCN02WPS-20241118003000-Jweiss11-20241118001400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241118062000-PCN02WPS-20241118003000"></span>Dmoore5556, I don't see a problem with the 2021 Alabama infobox. It seems like you're suggesting that we kill conference division titles and conference championship games from the infobox. Would you want to do that across the board, even for teams that won a conference division title, but didn't win the conference, like <a href="/wiki/2022_LSU_Tigers_football_team" title="2022 LSU Tigers football team">2022 LSU Tigers football team</a> and <a href="/wiki/2022_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241118062000-PCN02WPS-20241118003000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241118062000-PCN02WPS-20241118003000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241118062000-PCN02WPS-20241118003000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-Jweiss11-20241118062000"></span>When a team wins its overall conference, as Alabama did in 2021, I see no need to display that they also won their division. SEC champion is sufficient, in my view, without adding SEC Western Division champion right below it. If that's a bridge too far, I would at a minimum remove the score of the SEC championship game. Same for bowl games—list the winning team as "XYZ Bowl champion"; no need for quoting the game score. I hope we can come to agreement that the infobox "banner" areas are bloated and take some reasonable actions to thin them, else it will just get worse. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-Jweiss11-20241118062000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-Jweiss11-20241118062000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241118214600-Jweiss11-20241118062000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span>Don't overthink this, just do it the way you would with a basketball coach <sub style="border:1px solid #FFCC00;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89"><span style="color:#FFCC00;background:#800080;">pbp</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100-Jweiss11-20241117213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100-Jweiss11-20241117213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100-Jweiss11-20241117213400"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241118061300-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100"></span>Purplebackpack89, this is not just about coaches. This issue also strikes a fundamental difference between college football and basketball: the stand-alone bowl game. Furthermore, we should note that college basketball is way behind college football here on Wikiepdia in terms of standardization and integrity of templated content. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241118061300-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241118061300-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241118061300-Purplebackpack89-20241118013100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purplebackpack89-20241118182300-Jweiss11-20241118061300"></span>Then we keep doing what we're doing in the stand-alone bowl game, and we treat the CFP tournament as we would March Madness or the NIT. <sub style="border:1px solid #FFCC00;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89"><span style="color:#FFCC00;background:#800080;">pbp</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Purplebackpack89-20241118182300-Jweiss11-20241118061300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-20241118182300-Jweiss11-20241118061300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 18">here</a> <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes"></span>Below, from left to right: </p> <dl><dd>1) current infobox with heavy banner area</dd> <dd>2) really thin banner area</dd> <dd>3) compromise (?) banner area</dd> <dd>4) same as number 3, but with the banners in chronological order, starting with oldest at top.</dd></dl> <p>Input welcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes-1"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1216972533">.mw-parser-output .col-begin{border-collapse:collapse;padding:0;color:inherit;width:100%;border:0;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .col-begin-small{font-size:90%}.mw-parser-output .col-break{vertical-align:top;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .col-break-2{width:50%}.mw-parser-output .col-break-3{width:33.3%}.mw-parser-output .col-break-4{width:25%}.mw-parser-output .col-break-5{width:20%}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .col-begin,.mw-parser-output .col-begin>tbody,.mw-parser-output .col-begin>tbody>tr,.mw-parser-output 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typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Alabama Crimson Tide" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/125px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="125" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/188px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/250px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0">SEC champion<br/>SEC Western Division champion<br/>Cotton Bowl Classic champion</div></th></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0"><a href="/wiki/2021_SEC_Championship_Game" title="2021 SEC Championship Game">SEC Championship Game</a>, W 41–24 vs. <a href="/wiki/2021_Georgia_Bulldogs_football_team" title="2021 Georgia Bulldogs football team">Georgia</a></div></th></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0"><a href="/wiki/2021_Cotton_Bowl_Classic" title="2021 Cotton Bowl Classic">Cotton Bowl Classic (CFP semifinal)</a>,<br/> W 27–6 vs. <a href="/wiki/2021_Cincinnati_Bearcats_football_team" title="2021 Cincinnati Bearcats football team">Cincinnati</a> <br/><a href="/wiki/2022_College_Football_Playoff_National_Championship" title="2022 College Football Playoff National Championship">CFP National Championship</a>, L 18–33 vs. <a href="/wiki/2021_Georgia_Bulldogs_football_team" title="2021 Georgia Bulldogs football team">Georgia</a></div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Conference</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_Conference" title="Southeastern Conference">Southeastern Conference</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label"><span style="display:none">Division</span></th><td class="infobox-data">Western Division</td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header">Ranking</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Coaches</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">AP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Record</th><td class="infobox-data">13–2 (7–1 SEC)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Head coach</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Nick_Saban" title="Nick Saban">Nick Saban</a> (15th season)</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bill_O%27Brien_(American_football)" title="Bill O'Brien (American football)">Bill O'Brien</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive scheme</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Spread_offense" title="Spread offense">Spread</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Pete_Golding" title="Pete Golding">Pete Golding</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Charles_Kelly_(American_football)" title="Charles Kelly (American football)">Charles Kelly</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Base defense</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/4%E2%80%932%E2%80%935_defense" class="mw-redirect" title="4–2–5 defense">4–2–5</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Home stadium</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bryant%E2%80%93Denny_Stadium" title="Bryant–Denny Stadium">Bryant–Denny Stadium</a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%; background:#eeeeee;">Uniform</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/200px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="262" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/300px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/400px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 2x" data-file-width="676" data-file-height="887"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below noprint" style="background:#eee;"><div class="" style="width:100%; text-align:center;">Seasons</div><div style="width:100%"><div style="float: left; text-align:left;padding-right:0.5em;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/2020_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2020 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2020</a></div><div style="float: right; text-align:right;padding-left:0.5em;" class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/2022_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2022</a> →</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td class="col-break"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 25em"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above summary" style="font-size: 125%"><span class="dtstart">2021</span> <span class="vcard attendee fn org"><a href="/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" title="Alabama Crimson Tide football">Alabama Crimson Tide football</a></span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Alabama Crimson Tide" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/125px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="125" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/188px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/250px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0"><a href="/wiki/2022_College_Football_Playoff_National_Championship" title="2022 College Football Playoff National Championship">CFP National Championship</a> finalist<br/>SEC champion</div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Conference</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_Conference" title="Southeastern Conference">Southeastern Conference</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label"><span style="display:none">Division</span></th><td class="infobox-data">Western Division</td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header">Ranking</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Coaches</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">AP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Record</th><td class="infobox-data">13–2 (7–1 SEC)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Head coach</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Nick_Saban" title="Nick Saban">Nick Saban</a> (15th season)</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bill_O%27Brien_(American_football)" title="Bill O'Brien (American football)">Bill O'Brien</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive scheme</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Spread_offense" title="Spread offense">Spread</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Pete_Golding" title="Pete Golding">Pete Golding</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Charles_Kelly_(American_football)" title="Charles Kelly (American football)">Charles Kelly</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Base defense</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/4%E2%80%932%E2%80%935_defense" class="mw-redirect" title="4–2–5 defense">4–2–5</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Home stadium</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bryant%E2%80%93Denny_Stadium" title="Bryant–Denny Stadium">Bryant–Denny Stadium</a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%; background:#eeeeee;">Uniform</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/200px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="262" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/300px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/400px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 2x" data-file-width="676" data-file-height="887"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below noprint" style="background:#eee;"><div class="" style="width:100%; text-align:center;">Seasons</div><div style="width:100%"><div style="float: left; text-align:left;padding-right:0.5em;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/2020_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2020 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2020</a></div><div style="float: right; text-align:right;padding-left:0.5em;" class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/2022_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2022</a> →</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td class="col-break"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 25em"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above summary" style="font-size: 125%"><span class="dtstart">2021</span> <span class="vcard attendee fn org"><a href="/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" title="Alabama Crimson Tide football">Alabama Crimson Tide football</a></span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Alabama Crimson Tide" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/125px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="125" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/188px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/250px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0"><a href="/wiki/2022_College_Football_Playoff_National_Championship" title="2022 College Football Playoff National Championship">CFP National Championship</a> finalist<br/><a href="/wiki/2021_Cotton_Bowl_Classic" title="2021 Cotton Bowl Classic">Cotton Bowl Classic</a> champion<br/>SEC champion<br/>SEC Western Division champion</div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Conference</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_Conference" title="Southeastern Conference">Southeastern Conference</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label"><span style="display:none">Division</span></th><td class="infobox-data">Western Division</td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header">Ranking</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Coaches</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">AP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Record</th><td class="infobox-data">13–2 (7–1 SEC)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Head coach</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Nick_Saban" title="Nick Saban">Nick Saban</a> (15th season)</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bill_O%27Brien_(American_football)" title="Bill O'Brien (American football)">Bill O'Brien</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive scheme</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Spread_offense" title="Spread offense">Spread</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Pete_Golding" title="Pete Golding">Pete Golding</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Charles_Kelly_(American_football)" title="Charles Kelly (American football)">Charles Kelly</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Base defense</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/4%E2%80%932%E2%80%935_defense" class="mw-redirect" title="4–2–5 defense">4–2–5</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Home stadium</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bryant%E2%80%93Denny_Stadium" title="Bryant–Denny Stadium">Bryant–Denny Stadium</a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%; background:#eeeeee;">Uniform</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/200px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="262" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/300px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/400px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 2x" data-file-width="676" data-file-height="887"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below noprint" style="background:#eee;"><div class="" style="width:100%; text-align:center;">Seasons</div><div style="width:100%"><div style="float: left; text-align:left;padding-right:0.5em;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/2020_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2020 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2020</a></div><div style="float: right; text-align:right;padding-left:0.5em;" class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/2022_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2022</a> →</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td class="col-break"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 25em"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above summary" style="font-size: 125%"><span class="dtstart">2021</span> <span class="vcard attendee fn org"><a href="/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" title="Alabama Crimson Tide football">Alabama Crimson Tide football</a></span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Alabama Crimson Tide" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/125px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="125" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/188px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/250px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0">SEC Western Division champion<br/>SEC champion<br/><a href="/wiki/2021_Cotton_Bowl_Classic" title="2021 Cotton Bowl Classic">Cotton Bowl Classic</a> champion<br/><a href="/wiki/2022_College_Football_Playoff_National_Championship" title="2022 College Football Playoff National Championship">CFP National Championship</a> finalist</div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Conference</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_Conference" title="Southeastern Conference">Southeastern Conference</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label"><span style="display:none">Division</span></th><td class="infobox-data">Western Division</td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header">Ranking</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Coaches</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">AP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 2</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Record</th><td class="infobox-data">13–2 (7–1 SEC)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Head coach</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Nick_Saban" title="Nick Saban">Nick Saban</a> (15th season)</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bill_O%27Brien_(American_football)" title="Bill O'Brien (American football)">Bill O'Brien</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive scheme</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Spread_offense" title="Spread offense">Spread</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Pete_Golding" title="Pete Golding">Pete Golding</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Charles_Kelly_(American_football)" title="Charles Kelly (American football)">Charles Kelly</a> (3rd season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Base defense</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/4%E2%80%932%E2%80%935_defense" class="mw-redirect" title="4–2–5 defense">4–2–5</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Home stadium</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bryant%E2%80%93Denny_Stadium" title="Bryant–Denny Stadium">Bryant–Denny Stadium</a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%; background:#eeeeee;">Uniform</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/200px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="262" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/300px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png/400px-Alabama_crimson_football_uniform.png 2x" data-file-width="676" data-file-height="887"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below noprint" style="background:#eee;"><div class="" style="width:100%; text-align:center;">Seasons</div><div style="width:100%"><div style="float: left; text-align:left;padding-right:0.5em;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/2020_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2020 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2020</a></div><div style="float: right; text-align:right;padding-left:0.5em;" class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/2022_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2022 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2022</a> →</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241118215500-Some_example_infoboxes-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119183400-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span>I would want numbers 2 and 3 to be in chronological order. Conference, Bowl, NCG. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241119183400-Dmoore5556-20241118215500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119183400-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241119183400-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241119184500-PK-WIKI-20241119183400"></span>Added number 4 above: same as number 3, with the banners in chronological order, starting with oldest at top. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241119184500-PK-WIKI-20241119183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241119184500-PK-WIKI-20241119183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241119184500-PK-WIKI-20241119183400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221700-Dmoore5556-20241119184500"></span>I agree with you above that the "SEC Western Division champion" should be removed for teams that end up winning the overall conference championship. The loser of the CCG like <a href="/wiki/2021_Georgia_Bulldogs_football_team" title="2021 Georgia Bulldogs football team">2021 Georgia Bulldogs football team</a> should retain their listed divisional championship. <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241119221700-Dmoore5556-20241119184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221700-Dmoore5556-20241119184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221700-Dmoore5556-20241119184500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20241119214700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span>Something other than 1</b>. Seems undue to include the score and opponent name of individual games in the infobox where less is more per <a href="/wiki/MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE">MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.</p></blockquote> Having this info so prominently displayed cheapens and dilutes the encyclopedic value of the whole infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Left_guide-20241119214700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20241119214700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20241119214700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221300-Left_guide-20241119214700"></span>Do you feel the same about a traditional single-bowl season such as <a href="/wiki/1973_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="1973 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">1973 Alabama Crimson Tide football team</a>? Is it the multiple games or any and all bowl games/opponents/scores? <a href="/wiki/User:PK-WIKI" title="User:PK-WIKI">PK-WIKI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK-WIKI" title="User talk:PK-WIKI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-PK-WIKI-20241119221300-Left_guide-20241119214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221300-Left_guide-20241119214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK-WIKI-20241119221300-Left_guide-20241119214700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241120040700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span>Option 1</b> is my preference. Per <a href="/wiki/MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE">MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE</a>, yes, I could see maybe dropping the scores of the postseason games, but the decisions and even opponents are more vital than a lot of other stuff in these infoboxes, like coordinators, captains, team MVPs, and offensive/defensive schemes. We have stand-alone articles for <a href="/wiki/2021_SEC_Championship_Game" title="2021 SEC Championship Game">2021 SEC Championship Game</a> and <a href="/wiki/2021_Cotton_Bowl_Classic" title="2021 Cotton Bowl Classic">2021 Cotton Bowl Classic</a> for a reason, because they are of high signficance, and thus they warrant mention and linking in the 2021 Alabama infobox. "CFP National Championship finalist" is not a championship, and thus does not belong in the champion field. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241120040700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241120040700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241120040700-Dmoore5556-20241118215500"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241120050300-Some_example_infoboxes"></span>With the expanded playoffs, the current approach could yield something like the below. If editors like it, no further action required. That said, I would prefer to see some reduction in line with the less-is-more approach. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241120050300-Some_example_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241120050300-Some_example_infoboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241120050300-Some_example_infoboxes"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200-Some_example_infoboxes"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1216972533"><div> <table class="col-begin" role="presentation" style="width: 33%;"> <tbody><tr> <td class="col-break"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 25em"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above summary" style="font-size: 125%"><span class="dtstart">2024</span> <span class="vcard attendee fn org"><a href="/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football" title="Alabama Crimson Tide football">Alabama Crimson Tide football</a></span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Alabama Crimson Tide" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/125px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="125" height="125" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/188px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg/250px-Alabama_Crimson_Tide_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0">SEC Western Division champion<br/>SEC champion<br/>Fiesta Bowl champion<br/>Orange Bowl champion<br/>Consensus national champion</div></th></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0"><a href="/wiki/2024_SEC_Championship_Game" class="mw-redirect" title="2024 SEC Championship Game">SEC Championship Game</a>, W 17–16 vs. <a href="/wiki/2024_Texas_Longhorns_football_team" title="2024 Texas Longhorns football team">Texas</a></div></th></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><div style="width:100%;background-color: #fb0">CFP first round, W 17–13 vs. <a href="/wiki/2024_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_team" title="2024 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team">Notre Dame</a><br/><a href="/wiki/2024_Fiesta_Bowl_(December)" title="2024 Fiesta Bowl (December)">Fiesta Bowl</a> (CFP quarterfinal), W 24–21 vs. <a href="/wiki/2024_Oregon_Ducks_football_team" title="2024 Oregon Ducks football team">Oregon</a><br/><a href="/wiki/2025_Orange_Bowl" title="2025 Orange Bowl">Orange Bowl</a> (CFP semifinal), W 31–30 vs. <a href="/wiki/2024_Boise_State_Broncos_football_team" title="2024 Boise State Broncos football team">Boise State</a><br/><a href="/wiki/2025_College_Football_Playoff_National_Championship" title="2025 College Football Playoff National Championship">CFP National Championship</a>, W 24–17 vs. <a href="/wiki/2024_Miami_Hurricanes_football_team" title="2024 Miami Hurricanes football team">Miami (FL)</a></div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Conference</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_Conference" title="Southeastern Conference">Southeastern Conference</a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header">Ranking</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Coaches</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 7</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">AP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 7</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">CFP</th><td class="infobox-data">No. 7</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Record</th><td class="infobox-data">8–2 (4–2 SEC)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Head coach</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer" title="Kalen DeBoer">Kalen DeBoer</a> (1st season)</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Nick_Sheridan" title="Nick Sheridan">Nick Sheridan</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-offensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/JaMarcus_Shephard" title="JaMarcus Shephard">JaMarcus Shephard</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Offensive scheme</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Spread_offense" title="Spread offense">Spread</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Kane_Wommack" title="Kane Wommack">Kane Wommack</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Maurice_Linguist" title="Maurice Linguist">Maurice Linguist</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Co-defensive coordinator</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Colin_Hitschler" title="Colin Hitschler">Colin Hitschler</a> (1st season)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Base defense</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Nickel_defense" title="Nickel defense">4–2–5, Swarm</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Captains</th><td class="infobox-data plainlist"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Tyler_Booker" title="Tyler Booker">Tyler Booker</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Deontae_Lawson" title="Deontae Lawson">Deontae Lawson</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Jalen_Milroe" title="Jalen Milroe">Jalen Milroe</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Malachi_Moore" title="Malachi Moore">Malachi Moore</a></li></ul> </td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Home stadium</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Bryant%E2%80%93Denny_Stadium" title="Bryant–Denny Stadium">Bryant–Denny Stadium</a></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below noprint" style="background:#eee;"><div class="" style="width:100%; text-align:center;">Seasons</div><div style="width:100%"><div style="float: left; text-align:left;padding-right:0.5em;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/2023_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" title="2023 Alabama Crimson Tide football team">2023</a></div><div style="float: right; text-align:right;padding-left:0.5em;" class="noprint">2025 →</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <ul><li><b>Option 3 but <s>switch hierarchy</s> remove bowl games</b> College basketball has national champion, conference tourney, conference regular, in-season tournament, then in a separate box the finale tournament game result or final four. I would prefer option 3 but with "official" national champions, (runner-ups [BCS, bowl coalition/alliance], CFP appearance,) conference championships. If we have 3 or 4 bowl games that can be unweildy. My rationale:Is a SEC championship more prevalent than a national championship? I do see the idea of what is in the NFL team season infobox as being chronological, but this is a completely separate "playoff finish" parameter.-<a href="/wiki/User:UCO2009bluejay" title="User:UCO2009bluejay">UCO2009bluejay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UCO2009bluejay" title="User talk:UCO2009bluejay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200-Some_example_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200-Some_example_infoboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200-Some_example_infoboxes"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200"></span>Controversial statement: Is having coordinators necessary? The NFL infobox has the parameter but it is seldom used, even in current-season articles. Why do we use "team" instead of "season" anyway?-<a href="/wiki/User:UCO2009bluejay" title="User:UCO2009bluejay">UCO2009bluejay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UCO2009bluejay" title="User talk:UCO2009bluejay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000-UCO2009bluejay-20241120051200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/1986_New_York_Giants_season" title="1986 New York Giants season"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jweiss11-20241121021100-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"></span>1986 New York Giants season</a> and <a href="/wiki/1994_San_Francisco_49ers_season" title="1994 San Francisco 49ers season">1994 San Francisco 49ers season</a>, two memorable Super Bowl champs that popped into my head, list coordinators in the infobox. I would keep the coordinators. They are often pretty key to the identity of a team. If and when we list multiple posteason games, they should be listed in chronological order. But championships should be listed in order of promience: 1) national 2) conference 3) division 4) bowl 5) regional (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Lambert-Meadowlands_Trophy" title="Lambert-Meadowlands Trophy">Lambert-Meadowlands Trophy</a> as in <a href="/wiki/1982_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_football_team" title="1982 Penn State Nittany Lions football team">1982 Penn State Nittany Lions football team</a>). As for why we use "team" instead of season", that was a convention decided upon nearly 20 years ago. I suppose we chould change it if we wanted to, but that would require renaming tens of thousands of articles and updating hundreds of thousands of links (if we want to be neat around it and avoid redirects) across multiple college sports. <a href="/wiki/User:Jweiss11" title="User:Jweiss11">Jweiss11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jweiss11" title="User talk:Jweiss11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Jweiss11-20241121021100-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jweiss11-20241121021100-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jweiss11-20241121021100-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dmoore5556-20241121030700-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"></span>"Is having coordinators necessary?"—of course not, in the context of almost nothing on Wikipedia being "necessary". Useful such that it justifies the consumption of infobox space? I'd say no, especially <i>co-something</i> coordinators. There are specific examples of various people/events/ephemera associated with a specific team or game that could arguably be placed in an infobox; that doesn't justify it for the general case. Ultimately, either editors here believe the infobox, especially for recent teams with extended postseasons (especially this upcoming CFP), is bloated to the point that a trim would be an improvement, or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Dmoore5556" title="User:Dmoore5556">Dmoore5556</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dmoore5556" title="User talk:Dmoore5556">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#c-Dmoore5556-20241121030700-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dmoore5556-20241121030700-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dmoore5556-20241121030700-UCO2009bluejay-20241120052000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&oldid=1258962832">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football&oldid=1258962832</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_college_football_articles" title="Category:Project-Class college football articles">Project-Class college football articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_college_football_articles" title="Category:NA-importance college football articles">NA-importance college football articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_to-do_lists" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with to-do lists">Wikipedia pages with to-do lists</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 22 November 2024, at 16:19<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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