CINXE.COM

<!DOCTYPE html> <html class="client-nojs vector-feature-language-in-header-enabled vector-feature-language-in-main-page-header-disabled vector-feature-sticky-header-disabled vector-feature-page-tools-pinned-disabled vector-feature-toc-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-main-menu-pinned-disabled vector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-1 vector-feature-limited-width-content-enabled vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-1 vector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-night-mode-enabled skin-theme-clientpref-day vector-toc-available" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <title>Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions - Wikipedia</title> <script>(function(){var className="client-js vector-feature-language-in-header-enabled vector-feature-language-in-main-page-header-disabled vector-feature-sticky-header-disabled vector-feature-page-tools-pinned-disabled vector-feature-toc-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-main-menu-pinned-disabled vector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-1 vector-feature-limited-width-content-enabled vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-1 vector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-night-mode-enabled skin-theme-clientpref-day vector-toc-available";var cookie=document.cookie.match(/(?:^|; )enwikimwclientpreferences=([^;]+)/);if(cookie){cookie[1].split('%2C').forEach(function(pref){className=className.replace(new RegExp('(^| )'+pref.replace(/-clientpref-\w+$|[^\w-]+/g,'')+'-clientpref-\\w+( |$)'),'$1'+pref+'$2');});}document.documentElement.className=className;}());RLCONF={"wgBreakFrames":false,"wgSeparatorTransformTable":["",""],"wgDigitTransformTable":["",""],"wgDefaultDateFormat":"dmy", "wgMonthNames":["","January","February","March","April","May","June","July","August","September","October","November","December"],"wgRequestId":"ce4d6b05-9405-4ea0-a3d2-d371d1658dcb","wgCanonicalNamespace":"Project_talk","wgCanonicalSpecialPageName":false,"wgNamespaceNumber":5,"wgPageName":"Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions","wgTitle":"Requests for permissions","wgCurRevisionId":1254577074,"wgRevisionId":1254577074,"wgArticleId":18438734,"wgIsArticle":true,"wgIsRedirect":false,"wgAction":"view","wgUserName":null,"wgUserGroups":["*"],"wgCategories":["Wikipedia semi-protected talk pages"],"wgPageViewLanguage":"en","wgPageContentLanguage":"en","wgPageContentModel":"wikitext","wgRelevantPageName":"Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions","wgRelevantArticleId":18438734,"wgIsProbablyEditable":false,"wgRelevantPageIsProbablyEditable":false,"wgRestrictionEdit":["autoconfirmed"],"wgRestrictionMove":["sysop"],"wgRedirectedFrom":"Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed", "wgNoticeProject":"wikipedia","wgCiteReferencePreviewsActive":false,"wgFlaggedRevsParams":{"tags":{"status":{"levels":1}}},"wgMediaViewerOnClick":true,"wgMediaViewerEnabledByDefault":true,"wgPopupsFlags":0,"wgVisualEditor":{"pageLanguageCode":"en","pageLanguageDir":"ltr","pageVariantFallbacks":"en"},"wgMFDisplayWikibaseDescriptions":{"search":true,"watchlist":true,"tagline":false,"nearby":true},"wgWMESchemaEditAttemptStepOversample":false,"wgWMEPageLength":20000,"wgInternalRedirectTargetUrl":"/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions","wgRelatedArticlesCompat":[],"wgCentralAuthMobileDomain":false,"wgEditSubmitButtonLabelPublish":true,"wgDiscussionToolsFeaturesEnabled":{"replytool":true,"newtopictool":true,"sourcemodetoolbar":true,"topicsubscription":false,"autotopicsub":false,"visualenhancements":false,"visualenhancements_reply":false,"visualenhancements_pageframe":false},"wgDiscussionToolsFallbackEditMode":"source","wgULSPosition":"interlanguage","wgULSisCompactLinksEnabled":false ,"wgVector2022LanguageInHeader":true,"wgULSisLanguageSelectorEmpty":true,"wgCheckUserClientHintsHeadersJsApi":["brands","architecture","bitness","fullVersionList","mobile","model","platform","platformVersion"],"GEHomepageSuggestedEditsEnableTopics":true,"wgGETopicsMatchModeEnabled":false,"wgGEStructuredTaskRejectionReasonTextInputEnabled":false,"wgGELevelingUpEnabledForUser":false};RLSTATE={"ext.globalCssJs.user.styles":"ready","site.styles":"ready","user.styles":"ready","ext.globalCssJs.user":"ready","user":"ready","user.options":"loading","ext.inputBox.styles":"ready","ext.discussionTools.init.styles":"ready","oojs-ui-core.styles":"ready","oojs-ui.styles.indicators":"ready","mediawiki.widgets.styles":"ready","oojs-ui-core.icons":"ready","skins.vector.search.codex.styles":"ready","skins.vector.styles":"ready","skins.vector.icons":"ready","ext.wikimediamessages.styles":"ready","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript":"ready","ext.uls.interlanguage":"ready","ext.wikimediaBadges" :"ready"};RLPAGEMODULES=["mediawiki.action.view.redirect","site","mediawiki.page.ready","mediawiki.toc","skins.vector.js","ext.centralNotice.geoIP","ext.centralNotice.startUp","ext.gadget.ReferenceTooltips","ext.gadget.switcher","ext.urlShortener.toolbar","ext.centralauth.centralautologin","mmv.bootstrap","ext.popups","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.init","ext.visualEditor.targetLoader","ext.echo.centralauth","ext.discussionTools.init","ext.eventLogging","ext.wikimediaEvents","ext.navigationTiming","ext.uls.interface","ext.cx.eventlogging.campaigns","ext.checkUser.clientHints"];</script> <script>(RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.loader.impl(function(){return["user.options@12s5i",function($,jQuery,require,module){mw.user.tokens.set({"patrolToken":"+\\","watchToken":"+\\","csrfToken":"+\\"}); }];});});</script> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.discussionTools.init.styles%7Cext.inputBox.styles%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cext.wikimediamessages.styles%7Cmediawiki.widgets.styles%7Coojs-ui-core.icons%2Cstyles%7Coojs-ui.styles.indicators%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cskins.vector.search.codex.styles&only=styles&skin=vector-2022"> <script async="" src="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&raw=1&skin=vector-2022"></script> <meta name="ResourceLoaderDynamicStyles" content=""> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=site.styles&only=styles&skin=vector-2022"> <meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.44.0-wmf.4"> <meta name="referrer" content="origin"> <meta name="referrer" content="origin-when-cross-origin"> <meta name="robots" content="max-image-preview:standard"> <meta name="format-detection" content="telephone=no"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=1120"> <meta property="og:title" content="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions - Wikipedia"> <meta property="og:type" content="website"> <link rel="preconnect" href="//upload.wikimedia.org"> <link rel="alternate" media="only screen and (max-width: 640px)" href="//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions"> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="/static/apple-touch/wikipedia.png"> <link rel="icon" href="/static/favicon/wikipedia.ico"> <link rel="search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" href="/w/rest.php/v1/search" title="Wikipedia (en)"> <link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=rsd"> <link rel="canonical" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions"> <link rel="license" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en"> <link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Wikipedia Atom feed" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom"> <link rel="dns-prefetch" href="//meta.wikimedia.org" /> <link rel="dns-prefetch" href="//login.wikimedia.org"> </head> <body class="ext-discussiontools-replytool-enabled ext-discussiontools-newtopictool-enabled ext-discussiontools-sourcemodetoolbar-enabled skin--responsive skin-vector skin-vector-search-vue mediawiki ltr sitedir-ltr mw-hide-empty-elt ns-5 ns-talk page-Wikipedia_talk_Requests_for_permissions rootpage-Wikipedia_talk_Requests_for_permissions skin-vector-2022 action-view"><a class="mw-jump-link" href="#bodyContent">Jump to content</a> <div class="vector-header-container"> <header class="vector-header mw-header"> <div class="vector-header-start"> <nav class="vector-main-menu-landmark" aria-label="Site"> <div id="vector-main-menu-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-main-menu-dropdown vector-button-flush-left vector-button-flush-right" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-main-menu-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-main-menu-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Main menu" > <label id="vector-main-menu-dropdown-label" for="vector-main-menu-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-menu mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-menu"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Main menu</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-main-menu-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-main-menu" class="vector-main-menu vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-main-menu-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="main-menu-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-main-menu" data-pinned-container-id="vector-main-menu-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-main-menu-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Main menu</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-main-menu.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-main-menu.unpin">hide</button> </div> <div id="p-navigation" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-navigation" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Navigation </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="n-mainpage-description" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Visit the main page [z]" accesskey="z"><span>Main page</span></a></li><li id="n-contents" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contents" title="Guides to browsing Wikipedia"><span>Contents</span></a></li><li id="n-currentevents" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Current_events" title="Articles related to current events"><span>Current events</span></a></li><li id="n-randompage" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:Random" title="Visit a randomly selected article [x]" accesskey="x"><span>Random article</span></a></li><li id="n-aboutsite" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:About" title="Learn about Wikipedia and how it works"><span>About Wikipedia</span></a></li><li id="n-contactpage" class="mw-list-item"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us" title="How to contact Wikipedia"><span>Contact us</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-interaction" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-interaction" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Contribute </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="n-help" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Help:Contents" title="Guidance on how to use and edit Wikipedia"><span>Help</span></a></li><li id="n-introduction" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Learn how to edit Wikipedia"><span>Learn to edit</span></a></li><li id="n-portal" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal" title="The hub for editors"><span>Community portal</span></a></li><li id="n-recentchanges" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="A list of recent changes to Wikipedia [r]" accesskey="r"><span>Recent changes</span></a></li><li id="n-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_upload_wizard" title="Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia"><span>Upload file</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" class="mw-logo"> <img class="mw-logo-icon" src="/static/images/icons/wikipedia.png" alt="" aria-hidden="true" height="50" width="50"> <span class="mw-logo-container skin-invert"> <img class="mw-logo-wordmark" alt="Wikipedia" src="/static/images/mobile/copyright/wikipedia-wordmark-en.svg" style="width: 7.5em; height: 1.125em;"> <img class="mw-logo-tagline" alt="The Free Encyclopedia" src="/static/images/mobile/copyright/wikipedia-tagline-en.svg" width="117" height="13" style="width: 7.3125em; height: 0.8125em;"> </span> </a> </div> <div class="vector-header-end"> <div id="p-search" role="search" class="vector-search-box-vue vector-search-box-collapses vector-search-box-show-thumbnail vector-search-box-auto-expand-width vector-search-box"> <a href="/wiki/Special:Search" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only search-toggle" title="Search Wikipedia [f]" accesskey="f"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-search mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-search"></span> <span>Search</span> </a> <div class="vector-typeahead-search-container"> <div class="cdx-typeahead-search cdx-typeahead-search--show-thumbnail cdx-typeahead-search--auto-expand-width"> <form action="/w/index.php" id="searchform" class="cdx-search-input cdx-search-input--has-end-button"> <div id="simpleSearch" class="cdx-search-input__input-wrapper" data-search-loc="header-moved"> <div class="cdx-text-input cdx-text-input--has-start-icon"> <input class="cdx-text-input__input" type="search" name="search" placeholder="Search Wikipedia" aria-label="Search Wikipedia" autocapitalize="sentences" title="Search Wikipedia [f]" accesskey="f" id="searchInput" > <span class="cdx-text-input__icon cdx-text-input__start-icon"></span> </div> <input type="hidden" name="title" value="Special:Search"> </div> <button class="cdx-button cdx-search-input__end-button">Search</button> </form> </div> </div> </div> <nav class="vector-user-links vector-user-links-wide" aria-label="Personal tools"> <div class="vector-user-links-main"> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-preferences" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-userpage" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Appearance"> <div id="vector-appearance-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown " title="Change the appearance of the page's font size, width, and color" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-appearance-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-appearance-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Appearance" > <label id="vector-appearance-dropdown-label" for="vector-appearance-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-appearance mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-appearance"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Appearance</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-notifications" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-overflow" class="vector-menu mw-portlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-sitesupport-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserRedirector?utm_source=donate&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en" class=""><span>Donate</span></a> </li> <li id="pt-createaccount-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Wikipedia+talk%3ARequests+for+permissions" title="You are encouraged to create an account and log in; however, it is not mandatory" class=""><span>Create account</span></a> </li> <li id="pt-login-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia+talk%3ARequests+for+permissions" title="You're encouraged to log in; however, it's not mandatory. [o]" accesskey="o" class=""><span>Log in</span></a> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div id="vector-user-links-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-user-menu vector-button-flush-right vector-user-menu-logged-out" title="Log in and more options" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-user-links-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-user-links-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Personal tools" > <label id="vector-user-links-dropdown-label" for="vector-user-links-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-ellipsis mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-ellipsis"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Personal tools</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-personal" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-personal user-links-collapsible-item" title="User menu" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-sitesupport" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserRedirector?utm_source=donate&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en"><span>Donate</span></a></li><li id="pt-createaccount" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Wikipedia+talk%3ARequests+for+permissions" title="You are encouraged to create an account and log in; however, it is not mandatory"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-userAdd mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-userAdd"></span> <span>Create account</span></a></li><li id="pt-login" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia+talk%3ARequests+for+permissions" title="You're encouraged to log in; however, it's not mandatory. [o]" accesskey="o"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-logIn mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-logIn"></span> <span>Log in</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-user-menu-anon-editor" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-user-menu-anon-editor" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Pages for logged out editors <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" aria-label="Learn more about editing"><span>learn more</span></a> </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-anoncontribs" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyContributions" title="A list of edits made from this IP address [y]" accesskey="y"><span>Contributions</span></a></li><li id="pt-anontalk" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyTalk" title="Discussion about edits from this IP address [n]" accesskey="n"><span>Talk</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </header> </div> <div class="mw-page-container"> <div class="mw-page-container-inner"> <div class="vector-sitenotice-container"> <div id="siteNotice"></div> </div> <div class="vector-column-start"> <div class="vector-main-menu-container"> <div id="mw-navigation"> <nav id="mw-panel" class="vector-main-menu-landmark" aria-label="Site"> <div id="vector-main-menu-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav id="mw-panel-toc" aria-label="Contents" data-event-name="ui.sidebar-toc" class="mw-table-of-contents-container vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-toc-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-toc" class="vector-toc vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-toc-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="toc-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-toc" > <h2 class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Contents</h2> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-toc.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-toc.unpin">hide</button> </div> <ul class="vector-toc-contents" id="mw-panel-toc-list"> <li id="toc-mw-content-text" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a href="#" class="vector-toc-link"> <div class="vector-toc-text">(Top)</div> </a> </li> <li id="toc-Private_requests_for_permissions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Private_requests_for_permissions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1</span> <span>Private requests for permissions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Private_requests_for_permissions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Error?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Error?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Error?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Error?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>ECP Protection Removal Appeal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Concern" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Concern"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Concern</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">18 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Concern-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Concern subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Concern-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Side_note_on_review_speed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Side_note_on_review_speed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>Side note on review speed</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Side_note_on_review_speed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Discussion at Wikipedia talk:File mover § Is this page a policy?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Contents" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Toggle the table of contents" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Toggle the table of contents</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Wikipedia talk</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Requests for permissions</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang mw-portlet-lang-icon-only" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector-empty" aria-label="This article exist only in this language. Add the article for other languages" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only mw-portlet-lang-heading-empty" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Add languages</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="mw-portlet-empty-language-selector-body"> Page contents not supported in other languages. </div> </div> </div> </header> <div class="vector-page-toolbar"> <div class="vector-page-toolbar-container"> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav aria-label="Namespaces"> <div id="p-associated-pages" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-associated-pages" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-project" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="View the project page [c]" accesskey="c"><span>Project page</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions" rel="discussion" title="Discuss improvements to the content page [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Talk</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown emptyPortlet" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Change language variant" > <label id="vector-variants-dropdown-label" for="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">English</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Views"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions"><span>Read</span></a></li><li id="ca-viewsource" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&action=edit" title="This page is protected.
You can view its source [e]" accesskey="e"><span>View source</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&action=history" title="Past revisions of this page [h]" accesskey="h"><span>View history</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Tools" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Tools</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-page-tools" class="vector-page-tools vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-page-tools-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="page-tools-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-page-tools" data-pinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Tools</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">hide</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="More options" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Actions </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions"><span>Read</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-viewsource" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&action=edit"><span>View source</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&action=history"><span>View history</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> General </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions" title="List of all English Wikipedia pages containing links to this page [j]" accesskey="j"><span>What links here</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions" rel="nofollow" title="Recent changes in pages linked from this page [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Related changes</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard" title="Upload files [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Upload file</span></a></li><li id="t-specialpages" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:SpecialPages" title="A list of all special pages [q]" accesskey="q"><span>Special pages</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&oldid=1254577074" title="Permanent link to this revision of this page"><span>Permanent link</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&action=info" title="More information about this page"><span>Page information</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UrlShortener&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_permissions"><span>Get shortened URL</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:QrCode&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_permissions"><span>Download QR code</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-coll-print_export" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-coll-print_export" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Print/export </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="coll-download-as-rl" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:DownloadAsPdf&page=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_permissions&action=show-download-screen" title="Download this page as a PDF file"><span>Download as PDF</span></a></li><li id="t-print" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&printable=yes" title="Printable version of this page [p]" accesskey="p"><span>Printable version</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-wikibase-otherprojects" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-wikibase-otherprojects emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> In other projects </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Appearance"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Appearance</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">hide</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> <div id="mw-indicator-pp-default" class="mw-indicator"><div class="mw-parser-output"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#semi" title="This page is semi-protected due to vandalism"><img alt="Page semi-protected" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Semi-protection-shackle.svg/20px-Semi-protection-shackle.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Semi-protection-shackle.svg/30px-Semi-protection-shackle.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Semi-protection-shackle.svg/40px-Semi-protection-shackle.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512" /></a></span></div></div> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"><span class="mw-redirectedfrom">(Redirected from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed&redirect=no" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed">Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed</a>)</span></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237879475">.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #c0c090;background-color:#f8eaba;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-content{border:2px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-style{border:2px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-move{border:2px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-invalid-type{text-align:center}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 10%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{clear:right;float:right;margin:4px 0 4px 1em;width:238px}}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1230750088">.mw-parser-output .talkheader{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-body{display:flex}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-help,.mw-parser-output .talkheader-policies,.mw-parser-output .talkheader-shortcuts{display:flex;align-items:center;padding:0.1em}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-help{flex:2 1 auto;border:1px solid #c0c090;background-color:var(--background-color-base,#ffffff);color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-policies{flex:1 1 auto}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-policies+.talkheader-policies{border-left:1px solid #c0c090}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-shortcuts{flex:0 1 auto}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-help>*,.mw-parser-output .talkheader-policies>*,.mw-parser-output .talkheader-shortcuts>*{flex:1 1 auto}.mw-parser-output .talkheader-help ul,.mw-parser-output .talkheader-policies ul{margin:0.1em 0.8em 0 1.6em;text-align:left}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .talkheader{min-width:80%}}</style><table role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice talkheader plainlinks" id="talkheader" style="border-collapse: separate;"><tbody><tr> <td style="border-bottom: 1px solid #c0c090; font-weight: bold;">This is the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">talk page</a> for discussing improvements to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">Requests for permissions</a> page.<br/></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div class="talkheader-body"> <div class="talkheader-help"> <ul><li>Put new text under old text. <strong><a href="/wiki/Special:NewSection/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions" title="Special:NewSection/Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions">Click here to start a new topic.</a></strong></li> <li>New to Wikipedia? Welcome! <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Learn to edit</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Questions" title="Wikipedia:Questions">get help</a>.</li></ul> </div> <div class="talkheader-policies"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">Assume good faith</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Be polite</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">avoid personal attacks</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers">Be welcoming to newcomers</a></li> <li>Seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests">dispute resolution</a> if needed</li></ul> </div><div class="talkheader-shortcuts"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WT:PERM"></span><span id="WT:RFPERM"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:PERM&redirect=no">WT:PERM</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:RFPERM&redirect=no">WT:RFPERM</a></span></li></ul></div></div> </div> </div> </td> </tr><tr><td style="border-top: 1px solid #c0c090; padding: 1px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">Archives</a>:</b> <a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III/Master_Detailed_Indices/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions" title="User:ClueBot III/Master Detailed Indices/Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions">Index</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 7">7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 9">9</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 10">10</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/Archive 11">11</a><span style="position: relative; top: 2px; float: right; font-size: 90%; margin-left: 1em;"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1038841319">.mw-parser-output .tooltip-dotted{border-bottom:1px dotted;cursor:help}</style><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="Discussions with timestamps are automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III after 90 days of inactivity when more than 5 threads are present.">Auto-archiving period</span>: <b>3 months</b> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page#Automated_archiving" title="Help:Archiving a talk page"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/16px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/24px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/32px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></a></span></span></td> </tr><tr><td style="border-top: 1px solid #c0c090; padding: 0;"><div> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions/" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </div></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Private_requests_for_permissions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Private_requests_for_permissions-20240610071000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Private_requests_for_permissions-20240610071000"></span>Private requests for permissions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Private_requests_for_permissions-20240610071000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610071000-Private_requests_for_permissions"></span>From time to time I receive emails from editors asking me to grant them a permission. I don't know why they do so via email rather than PERM (I guess they contact me because I'm active there), but I direct them to make a request on-wiki, for several reasons: our long-standing principle that, although there is no rule against off-wiki discussions, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls_and_errors" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">decisions affecting Wikipedia should be made on Wikipedia</a>; to leave a documentation trail that all editors can follow; to give a chance for other editors to share relevant information on the request; and, because <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a> is frequently backlogged, to avoid the impression of someone pushing in the queue. I do make quite frequently make grants (especially of autopatrolled) without any request or following discussions elsewhere on-wiki, but I don't think that's quite the same. </p><p>I've noticed that not all admins agree with me on this point. Grants that don't go through PERM are relatively common, and sometimes an off-wiki request is explicitly mentioned in the log. For example, looking at one user today, I noticed that they managed to accrue autopatrolled, PCR, page mover, rollbacker, trial new page reviewer and permanent new page reviewer with only a single PERM request – the rest were all apparently solicited from different admins on one of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Discord" title="Wikipedia:Discord">unofficial Wikipedia Discord servers</a>. </p><p>This doesn't feel right to me, so I thought I'd ask for other opinions on the practice of requesting permissions privately. Is there a guideline on this somewhere? If not, should we have one? – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Joe_Roe-20240610071000-Private_requests_for_permissions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610071000-Private_requests_for_permissions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20240610071000-Private_requests_for_permissions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20240610090300-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span>The occasionally mentioned "discussion on Discord" is at least sometimes just the admin asking the user if they would like the perm (rather than the other way around). At least one admin who has done that discourages perm requests from being made on Discord.</dd> <dd>But some users might be shy about having a request declined at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a> (like a much smaller version of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA">WP:RFA</a>).</dd> <dd>Since perm grants are entirely at an admin's discretion and don't require consensus (which is what should be done on-wiki), I think it's fine to leave it up to them to decide whether to entertain requests by email or direct message. <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-SilverLocust-20240610090300-Joe_Roe-20240610071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20240610090300-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20240610090300-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610093100-SilverLocust-20240610090300"></span>Permissions grants require consensus, just like everything else. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Joe_Roe-20240610093100-SilverLocust-20240610090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610093100-SilverLocust-20240610090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20240610093100-SilverLocust-20240610090300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20240610095600-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"></span>There could be a requirement for consensus, but each perm page generally says something like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PMCRITERIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PMCRITERIA">WP:PMCRITERIA</a>'s "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">An administrator may grant page mover rights to users they otherwise deem competent and may deny the requests if they do not see a need for the tools or have other concerns.</q>" <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-SilverLocust-20240610095600-Joe_Roe-20240610093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20240610095600-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20240610095600-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"></span>I'm not sure saying they require consensus is the correct phrasing. For instance, administrators are allowed to grant autopatrolled at their own discretion, that's part of the toolkit that we trust admins with. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300-Joe_Roe-20240610093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300-Joe_Roe-20240610093100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610131900-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300"></span>Yes but if two (or more) admins disagree on whether to grant autopatrolled, what do we do? Seek consensus. It doesn't come up very often, but there certainly have been e.g. AN threads where a grant has been challenged and overturned on that basis. Even if there's no discussion, consensus is still there, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IMPLICIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IMPLICIT">implicitly</a>.</dd> <dd>I understand the "discretion" language in many (not all) of the PERM guidelines to mean that an editor is not automatically entitled to a right if they might the guideline criteria (and vice-versa) – not that it's literally only up to single admins to decide, with no community oversight. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Joe_Roe-20240610131900-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610131900-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20240610131900-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610135900-Joe_Roe-20240610131900"></span>We don't have a minimum time that a request for a permission must stay up, so an admin can immediately process a request and then it'll be cleaned out. If there's issues with that user then yeah, ANI. I don't think it's always entirely necessary to force a request at perm simply for the sake of bureaucracy. I do not like to handle perm requests at my talk page either, but in rare circumstances for exceptional users, I'll be more than happy to grant them tools that may help them to improve the encyclopedia. If there's a chance it may at all be controversial, or I don't know them enough to make that call without digging deeper, then I too send them to perm (which is most of the time).</dd> <dd>I think, unless it states otherwise anywhere, the implication has always been that an administrator may grant permissions at their own discretion without a formal request in most situations. I don't personally see an issue with that until an administrator's judgement comes into question.</dd> <dd>Also, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:APATCRITERIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:APATCRITERIA">Wikipedia:APATCRITERIA</a> states <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Administrators may grant this user right to anyone at their discretion if they feel that the user's page creations are prolific; this reduces the workload of new page reviewers. In these cases, they are free to assign the user right to other editors (including themselves) without a formal request or discussion beforehand.</q> – This makes the autopatrolled example not a good one, since, I believe, it's the only perm with this type of language specifically called out. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610135900-Joe_Roe-20240610131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610135900-Joe_Roe-20240610131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610135900-Joe_Roe-20240610131900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20240610111000-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span>I outright decline direct requests and point editors to the respective pages instead. That said, I have also granted permissions to editors without them asking about it; this applies to editors whose work I'm familiar with. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Schwede66-20240610111000-Joe_Roe-20240610071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20240610111000-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20240610111000-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240610115900-Schwede66-20240610111000"></span>This is what I do as well; if I know the editor (and they need it) I'll usually grant, otherwise I'll send 'em to PERM. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20240610115900-Schwede66-20240610111000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240610115900-Schwede66-20240610111000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240610115900-Schwede66-20240610111000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240610120100-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span>Just noting that I am firmly opposed to <i>requiring</i> that permission requests go through PERM. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20240610120100-Joe_Roe-20240610071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240610120100-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240610120100-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610132300-Primefac-20240610120100"></span>To be clear, I'm not suggesting that. My basic question here is whether granting permissions following a private request is something we should discourage, and if so whether we should write that down along the lines of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Dealing_with_off-wiki_block_requests" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Dealing with off-wiki block requests</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Joe_Roe-20240610132300-Primefac-20240610120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20240610132300-Primefac-20240610120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20240610132300-Primefac-20240610120100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20240610195500-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span>It's very admin-discretionary. In general, if someone asks me for a perm I'll ask them to drop a request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a>. It certainly shouldn't be a requirement as there are all sorts of use cases were it would be unnecessary paperwork. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Xaosflux-20240610195500-Joe_Roe-20240610071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20240610195500-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20240610195500-Joe_Roe-20240610071000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Error?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Error?-20240815170800"><span id="Error.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Error?-20240815170800"></span>Error?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Error?-20240815170800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kowal2701-20240815170800-Error?"></span>Hi, I've been approved yet when I try to log in to AWB it says "This user does not have enough privileges to make automatics edits on this wiki" <a href="/wiki/User:Kowal2701" title="User:Kowal2701">Kowal2701</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kowal2701" title="User talk:Kowal2701">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Kowal2701-20240815170800-Error?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kowal2701-20240815170800-Error?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kowal2701-20240815170800-Error?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240815175100-Kowal2701-20240815170800"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#AWB_Permission_error" title="Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser">Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser § AWB Permission error</a>, there is a version update that fixes the issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20240815175100-Kowal2701-20240815170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240815175100-Kowal2701-20240815170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240815175100-Kowal2701-20240815170800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kowal2701-20240815175900-Primefac-20240815175100"></span>I updated to 6.3.1.1 but it still comes back with an error when I try to log in <a href="/wiki/User:Kowal2701" title="User:Kowal2701">Kowal2701</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kowal2701" title="User talk:Kowal2701">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Kowal2701-20240815175900-Primefac-20240815175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kowal2701-20240815175900-Primefac-20240815175100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kowal2701-20240815175900-Primefac-20240815175100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240815180200-Kowal2701-20240815175900"></span>Post on that thread, then, about your issues, so that you can get feedback from that project. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20240815180200-Kowal2701-20240815175900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240815180200-Kowal2701-20240815175900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240815180200-Kowal2701-20240815175900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal" data-mw-thread-id="h-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal-20240907154400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal-20240907154400"></span>ECP Protection Removal Appeal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal-20240907154400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pentock-20240907154400-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal"></span>How do I appeal a removal? I have repeatedly tried to reach out to the person who removed my ability to do so. But no response! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pentock&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pentock (page does not exist)">Pentock</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pentock" title="User talk:Pentock">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Pentock-20240907154400-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pentock-20240907154400-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pentock-20240907154400-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pentock-20240907154500-Pentock-20240907154400"></span>And it’s been months. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pentock&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pentock (page does not exist)">Pentock</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pentock" title="User talk:Pentock">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Pentock-20240907154500-Pentock-20240907154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pentock-20240907154500-Pentock-20240907154400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pentock-20240907154500-Pentock-20240907154400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240907164100-Pentock-20240907154500"></span>Requests for ExCon can be made at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed">Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed</a>. Keep in mind you'll need to make a convincing argument as to why you should have it back after it was removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20240907164100-Pentock-20240907154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240907164100-Pentock-20240907154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240907164100-Pentock-20240907154500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Concern" data-mw-thread-id="h-Concern-20241003202900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Concern-20241003202900"></span>Concern<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Concern-20241003202900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241003202900-Concern"></span>TParis</a>, just a courtesy note that I have reverted you granting autopatrolled to User:GnocchiFan over concerns raised by User:TechnoSquirrel69. What concerns me more, though, is that you granted autopatrolled to four users within five minutes. You cannot possibly have looked at those users' contributions in detail and assessed the quality of their work in such a short period of time. AP isn't a numerical exercise; we are assessing whether users consistently produce clean articles free of concerns. There is no substitute to looking at a sample of their recent articles. When I assess users, I generally look at their last ten articles created, including the edit history of those articles, to see whether other users had to fix issues. If you don't want to invest that effort, please don't patrol the request page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Schwede66-20241003202900-Concern" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241003202900-Concern"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241003202900-Concern"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241003203100-Schwede66-20241003202900"></span>You should've discussed it first. The encyclopedia was not in so grave of a danger that you couldn't have paused and discussed.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241003203100-Schwede66-20241003202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241003203100-Schwede66-20241003202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241003203100-Schwede66-20241003202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241003203400-TParis-20241003203100"></span>Sure, I could and should have posted this item first. What I'm saying, though, is that you are clearly acting outside what other admins who are active here are doing. And that is a concern that needed to be raised. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Schwede66-20241003203400-TParis-20241003203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241003203400-TParis-20241003203100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241003203400-TParis-20241003203100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241003203600-Schwede66-20241003203400"></span>Other admins talk to each other before reverting admin actions.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241003203600-Schwede66-20241003203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241003203600-Schwede66-20241003203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241003203600-Schwede66-20241003203400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241003204400-TParis-20241003203600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">TParis</a>, I'm surprised to read this, since when I just dropped by your talk page I was greeted by a notice that said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><b>Are you an admin reverting a decision I made?</b> You are welcome to leave a note, but please understand I completely trust your judgement and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MYPRIDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MYPRIDE">my pride</a> should not be a stopping block for you.</q> I would myself have taken that as an implicit request <i>not</i> to speak to you about it in advance. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Asilvering-20241003204400-TParis-20241003203600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241003204400-TParis-20241003203600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241003204400-TParis-20241003203600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241003211900-Asilvering-20241003204400"></span>I believe I wrote that in 2011. My personality and views may have changed since then.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241003211900-Asilvering-20241003204400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241003211900-Asilvering-20241003204400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241003211900-Asilvering-20241003204400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700-TParis-20241003211900"></span>Then it sounds like it's on you for not updating it. There's no reason for others to assume that wasn't still the case. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700-TParis-20241003211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700-TParis-20241003211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700-TParis-20241003211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241004021700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700"></span>I'm allowed to feel the way I feel.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241004021700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241004021700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241004021700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241003204600-TParis-20241003203600"></span>Yes, as I said above: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I could and should have posted this item first</q>. The reason that I acted immediately is that I wanted to avoid User:GnocchiFan getting excited about you having granted AP and then learning that it's been reverted. When I went to their talk page (after I removed the flag), I see that you had not issued the relevant notification, though. Seeing all the bot notifications on the request page, it's clear that you've missed that step for all those users. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Schwede66-20241003204600-TParis-20241003203600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241003204600-TParis-20241003203600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241003204600-TParis-20241003203600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241003211900-Schwede66-20241003204600"></span>Yes. Back 13 years ago when I was working <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a>, we still believed that the encyclopedia was no big deal and we granted tools to users that wouldn't abuse them. I can understand not wanting the user to get excited, but I also don't think the issues raised are significant because they address other Wikipedia, and even Wikimedia, goals. You bring up as a point that you feel I was too hasty in granting the permission, but I feel you were too hasty in reverting. As you know, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WW">wheel warring</a> will quickly end up at Arbcom. So when one admin reverts another - it's very much "final". It's not like editors reverting in editor space. Typically, we afford each other the courtesy of discussion because of this. It's fine though, I'm no longer interested in helping here.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241003211900-Schwede66-20241003204600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241003211900-Schwede66-20241003204600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241003211900-Schwede66-20241003204600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100-TParis-20241003211900"></span>AP isn't a tool though and it doesn't really help anyone but NPP. Do you still believe, after receiving feedback, that granting AP to four users in a five minute stretch was appropriate? I'm not confident, given the speed of granting, that the concerns raised were properly considered.</dd> <dd>I'm very disappointed that an admin receives feedback and decides to immediately quit in the area, that's not the temperament we hope for in admins. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100-TParis-20241003211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100-TParis-20241003211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100-TParis-20241003211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TParis-20241004020700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100"></span>I don't think it'll be a great loss to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a>. I'll contribute in places I am more confident and comfortable contributing in.--v/r - <a href="/wiki/User:TParis" title="User:TParis">T</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TParis" title="User talk:TParis">P</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-TParis-20241004020700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TParis-20241004020700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TParis-20241004020700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zippybonzo-20241003204700-Schwede66-20241003202900"></span>(<span style="color:#777;">Non-administrator comment</span>)</small> - not an admin so I won't opine on the matter at hand now, but I think this might be better placed in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrative_action_review" title="Wikipedia:Administrative action review">Wikipedia:Administrative action review</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zippybonzo" title="User talk:Zippybonzo"><small>talk</small></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo" title="Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo"><small>contribs</small></a> (they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Zippybonzo-20241003204700-Schwede66-20241003202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zippybonzo-20241003204700-Schwede66-20241003202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zippybonzo-20241003204700-Schwede66-20241003202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20241003204900-Zippybonzo-20241003204700"></span>I think we are capable of sorting this out here, Zippybonzo. In fact, I'd say it's already sorted (from my perspective it is, at least). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Schwede66-20241003204900-Zippybonzo-20241003204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20241003204900-Zippybonzo-20241003204700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20241003204900-Zippybonzo-20241003204700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zippybonzo-20241003205200-Schwede66-20241003204900"></span>👍 :) <a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zippybonzo" title="User talk:Zippybonzo"><small>talk</small></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo" title="Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo"><small>contribs</small></a> (they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Zippybonzo-20241003205200-Schwede66-20241003204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zippybonzo-20241003205200-Schwede66-20241003204900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zippybonzo-20241003205200-Schwede66-20241003204900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001400-Schwede66-20241003204900"></span>I do appreciate you bringing this up <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66">Schwede66</a>,</span> and I agree with you that discussions don't necessarily need to jump to the bigger venues. No admin is perfect, we all need feedback and to adjust our practices from time to time. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001400-Schwede66-20241003204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001400-Schwede66-20241003204900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001400-Schwede66-20241003204900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Side_note_on_review_speed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Side_note_on_review_speed-Concern-20241005133900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Side_note_on_review_speed-Concern-20241005133900"></span>Side note on review speed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Side_note_on_review_speed-Concern-20241005133900"></span></h3></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20241005133900-Side_note_on_review_speed"></span> Just noting, which is somewhat relevant to this thread but a comment in general: the speed at which an admin acts on requests is not necessarily the speed at which they reviewed them. Take for example <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AFCP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:AFCP">WT:AFCP</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/AWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/AWB">WP:PERM/AWB</a>, wherein I will regularly spend a good amount of time reviewing <i>all</i> of the editors, then make a single edit to each of the relevant locations to enact all of the requests as necessary. If it were something like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/PM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/PM">WP:PERM/PM</a>, with the script it necessitates multiple edits but the time spent before actioning is still the same.</p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>I'll split this into it's own subsection, as I have not looked into the original speed of review and therefore do not want to say that what I describe above is what happened in the main thread, but more that it's something to consider going forward. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Primefac-20241005133900-Side_note_on_review_speed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241005133900-Side_note_on_review_speed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20241005133900-Side_note_on_review_speed"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241031082600-Primefac-20241005133900"></span>Yeah I think unless it's really extreme, looking at the time between edits/action is a poor way to judge how much attention has been given. How much time I spend on PERM requests varies a lot. Declines can be near-instant if you spot a deal-breaker. Sometimes I'm already familiar with the editor's work from some other context and don't have to spend much time checking again. Sometimes I'll look at a request and mull over it for a day or two before actioning it. Judge the results, not the timestamps. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Joe_Roe-20241031082600-Primefac-20241005133900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241031082600-Primefac-20241005133900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241031082600-Primefac-20241005133900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?-20241030215000"><span id="Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_.C2.A7_Is_this_page_a_policy.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?-20241030215000"></span>Discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:File_mover#Is_this_page_a_policy?" title="Wikipedia talk:File mover">Wikipedia talk:File mover § Is this page a policy?</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?-20241030215000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg/25px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg/38px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg/50px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> You are invited to join the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:File_mover#Is_this_page_a_policy?" title="Wikipedia talk:File mover">Wikipedia talk:File mover § Is this page a policy?</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#c-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&oldid=1254577074">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&oldid=1254577074</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_talk_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia semi-protected talk pages">Wikipedia semi-protected talk pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 31 October 2024, at 17:52<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use" class="extiw" title="foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms of Use">Terms of Use</a> and <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy_policy" class="extiw" title="foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy policy">Privacy Policy</a>. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/">Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.</a>, a non-profit organization.</li> </ul> <ul id="footer-places"> <li id="footer-places-privacy"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy_policy">Privacy policy</a></li> <li id="footer-places-about"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:About">About Wikipedia</a></li> <li id="footer-places-disclaimers"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer">Disclaimers</a></li> <li id="footer-places-contact"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us">Contact Wikipedia</a></li> <li id="footer-places-wm-codeofconduct"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Universal_Code_of_Conduct">Code of Conduct</a></li> <li id="footer-places-developers"><a href="https://developer.wikimedia.org">Developers</a></li> <li id="footer-places-statslink"><a href="https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org">Statistics</a></li> <li id="footer-places-cookiestatement"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Cookie_statement">Cookie statement</a></li> <li id="footer-places-mobileview"><a href="//en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile" class="noprint stopMobileRedirectToggle">Mobile view</a></li> </ul> <ul id="footer-icons" class="noprint"> <li id="footer-copyrightico"><a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/static/images/footer/wikimedia-button.svg" width="84" height="29" alt="Wikimedia Foundation" loading="lazy"></a></li> <li id="footer-poweredbyico"><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki.svg" alt="Powered by MediaWiki" width="88" height="31" loading="lazy"></a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-settings" id="p-dock-bottom"> <ul></ul> </div><script>(RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.config.set({"wgHostname":"mw-web.codfw.main-57488d5c7d-k2zjl","wgBackendResponseTime":163,"wgDiscussionToolsPageThreads":[{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Joe_Roe-20240610071000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Private_requests_for_permissions-20240610071000","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610071000","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20240610071000-Private_requests_for_permissions","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610090300","author":"SilverLocust","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SilverLocust-20240610090300-Joe_Roe-20240610071000","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610093100","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20240610093100-SilverLocust-20240610090300","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610095600","author":"SilverLocust","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SilverLocust-20240610095600-Joe_Roe-20240610093100","replies":[]},{"timestamp":"20240610122300","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300-Joe_Roe-20240610093100","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610131900","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20240610131900-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610122300","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610135900","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240610135900-Joe_Roe-20240610131900","replies":[]}],"displayName":"Joe"}]}],"displayName":"Joe"}]},{"timestamp":"20240610111000","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Schwede66-20240610111000-Joe_Roe-20240610071000","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610115900","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Primefac-20240610115900-Schwede66-20240610111000","replies":[]}],"displayName":"Schwede"},{"timestamp":"20240610120100","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Primefac-20240610120100-Joe_Roe-20240610071000","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240610132300","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20240610132300-Primefac-20240610120100","replies":[],"displayName":"Joe"}]},{"timestamp":"20240610195500","author":"Xaosflux","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xaosflux-20240610195500-Joe_Roe-20240610071000","replies":[]}],"displayName":"Joe"}]},{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kowal2701-20240815170800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Error?-20240815170800","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240815170800","author":"Kowal2701","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kowal2701-20240815170800-Error?","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240815175100","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Primefac-20240815175100-Kowal2701-20240815170800","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240815175900","author":"Kowal2701","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kowal2701-20240815175900-Primefac-20240815175100","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240815180200","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Primefac-20240815180200-Kowal2701-20240815175900","replies":[]}]}]}]}]},{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pentock-20240907154400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal-20240907154400","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240907154400","author":"Pentock","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pentock-20240907154400-ECP_Protection_Removal_Appeal","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240907154500","author":"Pentock","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pentock-20240907154500-Pentock-20240907154400","replies":[{"timestamp":"20240907164100","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Primefac-20240907164100-Pentock-20240907154500","replies":[]}]}]}]},{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Schwede66-20241003202900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Concern-20241003202900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003202900","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241003202900-Concern","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003203100","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TParis-20241003203100-Schwede66-20241003202900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003203400","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241003203400-TParis-20241003203100","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003203600","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TParis-20241003203600-Schwede66-20241003203400","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003204400","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Asilvering-20241003204400-TParis-20241003203600","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003211900","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TParis-20241003211900-Asilvering-20241003204400","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241004001700","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700-TParis-20241003211900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241004021700","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-TParis-20241004021700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001700","replies":[],"displayName":"T"}]}],"displayName":"T"}]},{"timestamp":"20241003204600","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241003204600-TParis-20241003203600","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003211900","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TParis-20241003211900-Schwede66-20241003204600","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241004001100","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100-TParis-20241003211900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241004020700","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-TParis-20241004020700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001100","replies":[],"displayName":"T"}]}],"displayName":"T"}],"displayName":"Schwede"}],"displayName":"T"}],"displayName":"Schwede"}],"displayName":"T"},{"timestamp":"20241003204700","author":"Zippybonzo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Zippybonzo-20241003204700-Schwede66-20241003202900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003204900","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241003204900-Zippybonzo-20241003204700","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241003205200","author":"Zippybonzo","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zippybonzo-20241003205200-Schwede66-20241003204900","replies":[]},{"timestamp":"20241004001400","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241004001400-Schwede66-20241003204900","replies":[]}],"displayName":"Schwede"}]}],"displayName":"Schwede"},{"headingLevel":3,"name":"h-Primefac-20241005133900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Side_note_on_review_speed-Concern-20241005133900","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241005133900","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primefac-20241005133900-Side_note_on_review_speed","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241031082600","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20241031082600-Primefac-20241005133900","replies":[],"displayName":"Joe"}]}]}]},{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?-20241030215000","replies":[{"timestamp":"20241030215000","author":"Novem Linguae","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Novem_Linguae-20241030215000-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:File_mover_§_Is_this_page_a_policy?","replies":[]}]}],"wgPageParseReport":{"discussiontools":{"limitreport-timeusage":"0.025"},"limitreport":{"cputime":"0.287","walltime":"0.439","ppvisitednodes":{"value":2573,"limit":1000000},"postexpandincludesize":{"value":23721,"limit":2097152},"templateargumentsize":{"value":8381,"limit":2097152},"expansiondepth":{"value":19,"limit":100},"expensivefunctioncount":{"value":39,"limit":500},"unstrip-depth":{"value":0,"limit":20},"unstrip-size":{"value":7015,"limit":5000000},"entityaccesscount":{"value":0,"limit":400},"timingprofile":["100.00% 343.702 1 -total"," 69.54% 239.020 1 Template:Talkheader"," 17.21% 59.155 1 Template:Pp-vandalism"," 13.88% 47.696 2 Template:Yearly_archive_list"," 13.02% 44.758 9 Template:Th/abp"," 11.98% 41.183 2 Template:For_loop"," 9.71% 33.357 1 Template:Tooltip"," 9.58% 32.932 1 Template:Shortcut"," 8.03% 27.593 1 Template:Comma_separated_entries"," 7.41% 25.476 46 Template:Ifexist_not_redirect"]},"scribunto":{"limitreport-timeusage":{"value":"0.114","limit":"10.000"},"limitreport-memusage":{"value":2928514,"limit":52428800}},"cachereport":{"origin":"mw-web.eqiad.main-745f94f9f8-9lmbt","timestamp":"20241120054104","ttl":864000,"transientcontent":true}}});});</script> </body> </html>