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Just received my new(ish) phone about an hour ago. Won't do me any good today, of course, but I can see it potentially being useful. <br /> <br /> OTOH upgrading is an opportunity to say goodbye to a lot of cruft, so there's that.</div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <div class="uix_reactionBarWrapper"> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <a class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--menuTrigger" data-xf-click="menu" title="More options" role="button" tabindex="0" aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="true">•••</a> <div class="menu" data-menu="menu" aria-hidden="true" data-menu-builder="actionBarNew"> <div class="menu-content"> <h4 class="menu-header">More options</h4> <div class="js-menuBuilderTarget"></div> <a href="/civis/posts/43324882/report" class="menu-linkRow" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay">Report</a> <a href="/civis/posts/43324882/bookmark" class="bookmarkLink bookmarkLink--highlightable menu-linkRow " title="Bookmark" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay" 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"> I think it balls down to Trust. On the Apple end. With the walled garden does Apple have flags and reviews of apps that use the Stored credentials? Not sure. But i would guess the typical iOS user trusts the Apple password manager way more then the Google Android password manager. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Why would the stored credentials be insecure? Each app shouldn't be able to access each other's credentials, the same way that today your X app can't access your Wells Fargo credentials when you're logged into both (true for both browser and apps). If they can't access each other's credentials now then there shouldn't be any issues when transferring credentials to a new phone.<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 14524" data-quote="Andrewcw" data-source="post: 43324901" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/civis/goto/post?id=43324901" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-43324901">Andrewcw said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Which is why it works for iOS. Also required i think is for both devices to be present. I'm not so sure restore on iOS using a password and a cloud backup restores all credentials without needing to resign in. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>No, credentials are just files. 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Each app shouldn't be able to access each other's credentials, the same way that today your X app can't access your Wells Fargo credentials when you're logged into both (true for both browser and apps). If they can't access each other's credentials now then there shouldn't be any issues when transferring credentials to a new phone.<br /> <br /> No, credentials are just files. 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But I wonder how secure that store is. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Similar sentiment, but I'll outline more concern more succinctly. If Google handles your credentials, even while encrypted, how easily would it be for Google to hand them over in the event of a Government subpoena and they just login to your accounts? 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There is, of course, a direct device-to-device option for manually moving over app restore keys. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I don't have any problem signing into anything from my phone, because I don't sign into anything ON my phone that I didn't first sign into on my computer. My computer is a lot more secure than my phone is, because my OS isn't controlled by an ad agency or anyone interested in delivering ads to my computer. For the record, I also log OUT of whatever I logged into on my phone with very few exceptions. This includes Google, which on the phone means deleting the Google account data. I always keep data and wifi off unless I'm actively using it.<br /> <br /> Needless to say, I back NOTHING up to the cloud. I don't trust cloud so I don't do cloud. I get its utility. I don't trust its security.<br /> <br /> I personally see automating that sign-in process as fraught as fuck, but I can understand how it could be a convenience for those who don't rock it like it's 2009 like I do. <br /> <br /> That said, when I do get a new phone, it's an ideal time to go through what I had, and not restore it if it's something I don't use anymore. LOTS of stuff fall into that category considering I keep a phone for at least five or six years before upgrading. (I leave all the internal devices like location, data, wifi, etc. off unless I'm explicitly using them, and turn them off after I'm done, mostly so my battery lasts longer than 20 hours, but also for the security part of it. You can't hack what you can't get into.)<br /> <br /> A fresh phone merits a fresh start. 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Homescreen, settings, apps. I have to log back into a few apps like Bitwarden, but other than that, it’s all there when I switch phones. Like, just start using the phone. I’m like, oh, so you’re telling me I don’t have to spend an entire day setting up my new phone? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Apple is highly motivated to make switching phones as easy as possible. They make huge profits from customers upgrading to new iPhones, and it is in Apple's interest to eliminate pain points that may make customers hold off from upgrading. For the same reasons, Samsung created their Smart Switch app to facilitate switching between Samsung phones. 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I wish this was true.<br /> I spent about 4 hours at the Apple and AT&T stores getting my wife a new i-phone after she lost her old one. It was only maybe an hour and a half at the Apple store, but they couldn't transfer the phone account, so they sent us over to the AT&T store. The AT&T store is around the block from the Apple store, so going wasn't a hassle. We had to wait 45 minutes before talking to a person, and then the first person couldn't figure out how to do it - she tried half a dozen times before giving up and calling in a co-worker. He also took a few tries before he could figure out how to do it. Once he figured it out, it took nearly an hour for their back end systems to finish their work.<br /> My wife was halfway to full Karen by the time we were done. 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If Google handles your credentials, even while encrypted, how easily would it be for Google to hand them over in the event of a Government subpoena and they just login to your accounts? I want to understand the nuts and bolts more before I trust the escrow of credentials and the lack of interaction on the user's behalf to restore. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>To take security point further its not clear from picture but hopefully sync is only triggered when device owner logins to the old phone and start transfer process. At least there is an option to disable automatic periodic sync of credentials to mother ship.<br /> <br /> Device-to-device option is good for marketing convincing folks that google cares about privacy but high chance first bug encountered in process goes unfixed for years leaving feature unusable or broken but still featured on marketing slides.</div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <div class="uix_reactionBarWrapper"> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <a class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--menuTrigger" data-xf-click="menu" title="More options" role="button" tabindex="0" aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="true">•••</a> <div class="menu" data-menu="menu" aria-hidden="true" data-menu-builder="actionBarNew"> <div class="menu-content"> <h4 class="menu-header">More options</h4> <div class="js-menuBuilderTarget"></div> <a href="/civis/posts/43327353/report" class="menu-linkRow" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay">Report</a> <a href="/civis/posts/43327353/bookmark" class="bookmarkLink bookmarkLink--highlightable menu-linkRow " title="Bookmark" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay" data-label=".js-bookmarkText" rel="nofollow" data-sk-bookmarked="addClass:is-bookmarked, Edit bookmark" data-sk-bookmarkremoved="removeClass:is-bookmarked, Add bookmark"><span class="js-bookmarkText u-srOnly">Add bookmark</span></a> <a href="/civis/threads/android-will-soon-instantly-log-you-in-to-your-apps-on-new-devices.1504224/post-43327353" class="menu-linkRow" data-href="/civis/posts/43327353/share" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="overlay">Share</a> </div> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <span class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--vote"> <div class="contentVote js-contentVote 1 " data-xf-init="content-vote" data-content-id="post-43327353"> <a href="javascript:" class="contentVote-vote is-disabled contentVote-vote--up " data-vote="up"><span class="u-srOnly">Upvote</span></a> <span class="contentVote-scores"> <div class="ars_voteScore"> <span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--total js-voteCount js-voteCount--total" data-score="0">0</span> (<span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--positive js-voteCount js-voteCount--positive" data-score="0">0</span> / <span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--negative js-voteCount js-voteCount--negative" data-score="0">0</span>) </div> </span> </div> </span> <a href="/civis/threads/android-will-soon-instantly-log-you-in-to-your-apps-on-new-devices.1504224/add-reply?post_id=43327353" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay" data-cache="false">Quote</a> </div> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--internal"> <a href="/civis/posts/43327353/report" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--report" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay">Report</a> </div> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> <section class="message-responses js-messageResponses"> <div class="js-replyNewMessageContainer"></div> </section> </footer> </div> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--vote"> <div class="message-column"> <div class="contentVote js-contentVote 1 " data-xf-init="content-vote" data-content-id="post-43327353"> <a href="javascript:" class="contentVote-vote is-disabled contentVote-vote--up " data-vote="up"><span class="u-srOnly">Upvote</span></a> <span class="contentVote-scores"> <div class="ars_voteScore"> <span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--total js-voteCount js-voteCount--total" data-score="0">0</span> (<span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--positive js-voteCount js-voteCount--positive" data-score="0">0</span> / <span class="contentVote-score contentVote-score--negative js-voteCount js-voteCount--negative" data-score="0">0</span>) </div> </span> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post arsPvs--neutral js-inlineModContainer " data-author="WebDev511" data-content="post-43327457" id="js-post-43327457"> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-43327457"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" class="message-user userExtra--expand"> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <a href="/civis/members/webdev511.5931/" class="avatar avatar--s avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="5931" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" style="background-color: #6a1b9a; 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The one exception, which may or may not have changed since my last android is the face recognition screen unlock feature. On android, that function was basically useless and almost never worked unless I had perfect lighting, the same haircut as when I set it up, no glasses on, and had it at exactly the same angle I used when I set it up. So it pretty much never worked. 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Why does sheets have to run in the background 24/7? Yes I can force it to stop, but should I have to? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Do you also calculate which inode your apps use when saving to disk?</div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <div class="uix_reactionBarWrapper"> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <a class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--menuTrigger" data-xf-click="menu" title="More options" role="button" tabindex="0" aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="true">•••</a> <div class="menu" data-menu="menu" aria-hidden="true" data-menu-builder="actionBarNew"> <div class="menu-content"> <h4 class="menu-header">More options</h4> <div class="js-menuBuilderTarget"></div> <a href="/civis/posts/43327479/report" class="menu-linkRow" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay">Report</a> <a href="/civis/posts/43327479/bookmark" class="bookmarkLink bookmarkLink--highlightable menu-linkRow " 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