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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Archaeology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Archaeology</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Archaeology articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Undefined_terms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Undefined_terms-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Undefined_terms-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Undefined terms<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Undefined_terms-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Undefined terms"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.247.223.114-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z-Undefined_terms"></span>The terms "ka" and "ma" are mysterious and undefined anywhere in the article. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.247.223.114" title="Special:Contributions/98.247.223.114">98.247.223.114</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:98.247.223.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:98.247.223.114 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-98.247.223.114-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z-Undefined_terms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.247.223.114-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z-Undefined_terms"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.247.223.114-2015-11-16T17:53:00.000Z-Undefined_terms"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Box_detail" data-mw-thread-id="h-Box_detail-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Box_detail-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z"></span>Box detail<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Box_detail-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Box detail"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Botteville-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z-Box_detail"></span>The detail in the box looks terrible. No order, very confusing. Obviously two schemes are being combined. I propose to return to the original scheme, which was a list of periods and dates. The attempted insertion of items in small font fails totally. For one thing, these are all given in the Three-age System box, where they are relevant. For another, they are not accurate here - this is a combination of apples and oranges, not one kind of thing. Let's stick to one kind of thing, the list of periods.<a href="/wiki/User:Botteville" title="User:Botteville">Dave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Botteville" title="User talk:Botteville">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-Botteville-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z-Box_detail" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Botteville-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z-Box_detail"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Botteville-2011-02-24T09:37:00.000Z-Box_detail"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.201.105.130-2011-07-06T23:58:00.000Z-Box_detail"></span>The end of the Lower Paleolithic marks the start of the Middle Paleolithic Age, right? Well, according to this the Lower Paleolithic Age ends 200,000 years after the start of the Middle Paleolithic Age. Chronology fail. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.201.105.130" title="Special:Contributions/98.201.105.130">98.201.105.130</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:98.201.105.130" title="User talk:98.201.105.130">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-98.201.105.130-2011-07-06T23:58:00.000Z-Box_detail" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.201.105.130-2011-07-06T23:58:00.000Z-Box_detail"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.201.105.130-2011-07-06T23:58:00.000Z-Box_detail"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_better" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"></span>Gigantic box takes up whole of RHS of some articles - Horizontal bar would be better<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Gigantic box takes up whole of RHS of some articles - Horizontal bar would be better"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be"></span>Could this box be converted into a (typical) horizontal bar to go at the end of an article? It takes up many centimetres of space down the right hand side, making image placement (document layout) a nightmare. <a href="/wiki/User:Chiswick_Chap" title="User:Chiswick Chap">Chiswick Chap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chiswick_Chap" title="User talk:Chiswick Chap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z-Gigantic_box_takes_up_whole_of_RHS_of_some_articles_-_Horizontal_bar_would_be_be"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatHadley-2015-03-27T10:19:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"></span>Definitely! This whole family of templates desperately need factual and formatting improvements! Some of them conflate environmental and archaeological periods and they are very haphazardly applied to articles. They seem to be based on the geological/climatological templates such as <a href="/wiki/Template:Neogene" title="Template:Neogene">Template:Neogene</a> but are less informative. Cheers for having a crack at them! <a href="/wiki/User:PatHadley" title="User:PatHadley">PatHadley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatHadley" title="User talk:PatHadley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-PatHadley-2015-03-27T10:19:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatHadley-2015-03-27T10:19:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatHadley-2015-03-27T10:19:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-03-27T10:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"><span id="Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"></span>Lower Paleothic starts 3.3 or 2.6 mya?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Lower Paleothic starts 3.3 or 2.6 mya?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?"></span>Until recently, stone tools were thought to have first appeared about 2.6 million years ago, but in May 2015, Harmand et al. found tools they dated to be 3.3 mililon years old. The article on the Lower Paleolithic states that the LP starts with the first stone tools about 3.3 mya, citing the article published in May 2015. The template still states 2.6 million years. The template and the article should agree. What is the consensus on the starting time of the Lower Paleolithic? Should we change the template to say that it started 3.3 mya? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Nicolas_Perrault_III" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nicolas Perrault III">Nicolas Perrault</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nicolas_Perrault_III" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nicolas Perrault III">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z-Lower_Paleothic_starts_3.3_or_2.6_mya?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-24T00:24:00.000Z-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"></span>I changed it to 3.3 mya. <a href="/wiki/User:Nicolas_Perrault_III" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nicolas Perrault III">Nicolas Perrault</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nicolas_Perrault_III" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nicolas Perrault III">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Paleolithic#c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-24T00:24:00.000Z-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-24T00:24:00.000Z-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-24T00:24:00.000Z-Nicolas_Perrault_III-2015-10-12T21:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&oldid=1234656663">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Paleolithic&oldid=1234656663</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Archaeology_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Archaeology articles">Template-Class Archaeology articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Archaeology_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Archaeology articles">NA-importance Archaeology articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 15 July 2024, at 13:35<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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