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background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/290px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg" decoding="async" width="290" height="218" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/435px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/580px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3806" data-file-height="2855"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2025#24_Jan" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2025">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>Happy new year 2025, opened with <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#1_Jan" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">trumpet fanfares</a> that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw <a href="/wiki/Christmas_Eve_(opera)" title="Christmas Eve (opera)">a lovely opera</a> by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Images_2024#14_Dec" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2024">here</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100-January_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100-January_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100-January_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250101204700-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100"></span>Happy New Year! <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250101204700-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250101204700-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250101204700-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700-John-20250101204700"></span>Did you listen to the music? (Take the last movement if you have little time, but the yt not the lilypond). --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700-John-20250101204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700-John-20250101204700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700-John-20250101204700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250102002200-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700"></span>Not yet. Home tomorrow. Will try then. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250102002200-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250102002200-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250102002200-Gerda_Arendt-20250101215700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Liebster_Immanuel,_Herzog_der_Frommen,_BWV_123" title="Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300-John-20250102002200"></span>Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123</a>, my <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">story today</a> 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. <a href="/wiki/Dada_Masilo" title="Dada Masilo">Dada Masilo</a> will be my story tomorrow. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300-John-20250102002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300-John-20250102002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300-John-20250102002200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250106231800-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300"></span>Lovely! Keep up the good work. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250106231800-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250106231800-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250106231800-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300-John-20250106231800"></span>I try ;) - My <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#8_Jan" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">story today</a> is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300-John-20250106231800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300-John-20250106231800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300-John-20250106231800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250108175000-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300"></span>Fascinating. I had never heard of him. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250108175000-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250108175000-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250108175000-Gerda_Arendt-20250108100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000-John-20250108175000"></span>same for me --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000-John-20250108175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000-John-20250108175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000-John-20250108175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250111113400-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"></span>Happy birthday! I'm at a birthday celebration ;) - enjoy! --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250111113400-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250111113400-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250111113400-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113215700-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"></span>back home - today a violinist from Turkey, <a href="/wiki/Ayla_Erduran" title="Ayla Erduran">Ayla Erduran</a>, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113215700-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113215700-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113215700-Gerda_Arendt-20250108202000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250113223700-January_music"></span> Thanks! I missed your first message. I had quite a good day. I'll have a look at the article now. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250113223700-January_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250113223700-January_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250113223700-January_music"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114184700-John-20250113223700"></span>Thank you! - Today, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page_history/2025_January_14" title="Wikipedia:Main Page history/2025 January 14">pictured on the Main page</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tosca" title="Tosca">Tosca</a>, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brianboulton" title="User talk:Brianboulton">Brian Boulton</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114184700-John-20250113223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114184700-John-20250113223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114184700-John-20250113223700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500-John-20250113223700"></span>Today I have <a href="/wiki/Elgar_Howarth" title="Elgar Howarth">a composer</a> (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with <a href="/wiki/Alexander_Goehr" title="Alexander Goehr">another</a> who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500-John-20250113223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500-John-20250113223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500-John-20250113223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250120220200-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500"></span>Fascinating. Why was his composing debut unplanned? Sounds like a good story that should be explained in the article, if possible. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250120220200-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250120220200-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250120220200-Gerda_Arendt-20250120201500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700-John-20250120220200"></span>His conducting debut was unplanned, and if I don't hear anything else, I assume someone who was planned couldn't make it (sick, delayed). Did you read about <a href="/wiki/Takeshi_Moriuchi" title="Takeshi Moriuchi">"our" head of studies</a> (at my favourite opera house) who suddenly - watching a performance as a spectator - ran when a medical need was announced, and had to face the question if he was willing to conduct the rest rest of an opera he had never conducted before? - Today <a href="/wiki/Claire_van_Kampen" title="Claire van Kampen">Claire van Kampen</a> and a hidden cat ;) - There would be more from the Guardian obit, if you had extra time ... too much just in the table, without nuance, assuming that readers know who wrote these plays when ... --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700-John-20250120220200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700-John-20250120220200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700-John-20250120220200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250123002300-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700"></span>I might have time on Friday. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250123002300-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250123002300-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250123002300-Gerda_Arendt-20250122215700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250123080400-John-20250123002300"></span>Thank you for the offer, - she left the main page already, so the service would only be for posterity. - Of all the recent deaths I have watched, more people were interested right after the notice of her death than when it was on the main page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250123080400-John-20250123002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250123080400-John-20250123002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250123080400-John-20250123002300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100-John-20250123002300"></span>I have more vacation pics to offer, and today's story of <a href="/wiki/Werner_Bardenhewer" title="Werner Bardenhewer">Werner Bardenhewer</a>. I took the pic, and it was my DYK on his 90th birthday, in both English and German. He spent the day in Africa, and after his return said - chatting after a mass of thanks he celebrated at <a href="/wiki/Mari%C3%A4_Heimsuchung,_Wiesbaden" title="Mariä Heimsuchung, Wiesbaden">Mariä Heimsuchung</a> - that we'd have to talk about these articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100-John-20250123002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100-John-20250123002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100-John-20250123002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250130231900-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100"></span>Thanks, interesting article. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250130231900-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250130231900-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250130231900-Gerda_Arendt-20250130181100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lake_Michigan_Monster" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lake_Michigan_Monster-20250105220400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lake_Michigan_Monster-20250105220400"></span>Lake Michigan Monster<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lake_Michigan_Monster-20250105220400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Lake Michigan Monster"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400-Lake_Michigan_Monster"></span>hey, it has been a while since I have done major work on <i><a href="/wiki/Lake_Michigan_Monster" title="Lake Michigan Monster">Lake Michigan Monster</a></i>. I am thinking of putting it up for FA nomination, however I wanted to run by you first to see if all the prose is the high quality it needs to be and if there are parts I should work on. <a href="/wiki/User:Paleface_Jack" title="User:Paleface Jack">Paleface Jack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paleface_Jack" title="User talk:Paleface Jack">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400-Lake_Michigan_Monster" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400-Lake_Michigan_Monster"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400-Lake_Michigan_Monster"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250105223300-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400"></span>Looks pretty good to me. What does <a href="/wiki/User:Ceoil" title="User:Ceoil">Ceoil</a> think? <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250105223300-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250105223300-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250105223300-Paleface_Jack-20250105220400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105231300-John-20250105223300"></span>He has not been on the past week or so and has not replied to a chat I sent. I guess we will have to wait and see.--<a href="/wiki/User:Paleface_Jack" title="User:Paleface Jack">Paleface Jack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paleface_Jack" title="User talk:Paleface Jack">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Paleface_Jack-20250105231300-John-20250105223300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105231300-John-20250105223300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paleface_Jack-20250105231300-John-20250105223300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="+rollback" data-mw-thread-id="h-+rollback-20250106222700"><span id=".2Brollback"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-+rollback-20250106222700"></span>+rollback<span data-mw-comment-end="h-+rollback-20250106222700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: +rollback"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a>, as a former administrator and thus obviously also a former rollbacker, you won't need the following information. But getting a permission (and granting it, admittedly) would only be half as enjoyable (to me, admittedly) without the message I customized for this purpose. So I absolutely have to. Feel free to remove it and welcome back! <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback"></span> </p> <div style="background:white; border: 2px darkgreen ridge; margin: 0.2rem; padding-left: 0.4rem;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback-1"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg/130px-Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg.png" decoding="async" width="130" height="130" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg/195px-Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg/260px-Wikipedia_Rollbacker.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hi John, </p><p>After reviewing your request, I have added your account to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Rollback" title="Wikipedia:Rollback">rollback</a> group. Keep in mind these things when using rollback: </p> <ul><li>Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TW">Twinkle</a>.</li> <li>Users should be informed (or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UWARN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UWARN">warned</a>) after their edits have been reverted. If warnings repeatedly don't help, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> is the default place to go. In cases of very clear ongoing intentional damage to the encyclopedia, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a> can be used.</li> <li>Reverting someone's edits may confuse or upset them. Whenever other users message you on your talk page, please take the time to respond to their concerns; accountability is important. For most users who message you, the tone and quality of your answer will permanently influence their opinion about Wikipedia in general.</li> <li>Because the plain default rollback link does not provide any explanatory edit summary, it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ROLLBACKUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROLLBACKUSE">must not be used</a> to revert good faith contributions, even if these contributions are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive</a>. Take the time to write a proper summary whenever you're dealing with a lack of neutrality or verifiability; a short explanation like "<code>[[WP:NPOV|not neutral]]</code>" or "<code>[[WP:INTREF|Please provide a citation]]</code>" is helpful.</li> <li>Rollback may never be used to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit war</a>, which you'll notice to be surprisingly tempting in genuine content disputes. Please especially keep the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">three-revert rule</a> in mind. If you see others edit warring, please file a report at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANEW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANEW">WP:ANEW</a>. The most helpful essay I've ever seen is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCFAIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCFAIL">WP:DISCFAIL</a>; it is especially important for those who review content regularly.</li> <li>If you encounter private information or threats of physical harm during your patrols, please quickly use <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Oversight" title="Special:EmailUser/Oversight">Special:EmailUser/Oversight</a> or <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Emergency" title="Special:EmailUser/Emergency">Special:EmailUser/Emergency</a>; ideally bookmark these pages now. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OS">WP:OS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EMERGENCY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EMERGENCY">WP:EMERGENCY</a> for details. If you're regularly patrolling recent changes, you <em>will</em> need both contacts sooner or later, and you'll be happy about the bookmarks.</li></ul> <p>To try rollback for the first time, you may like to make an edit to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">WP:Sandbox</a>, and another one, and another one, and then revert the row with one click. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">my talk page</a> if you run into trouble or have any questions about rollback. Thank you for your time and work in cleaning up Wikipedia. Happy editing! </p><p>Best regards,<br/><a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20250106222700-+rollback-1"></span> </p> </div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-20250106223100-ToBeFree-20250106222700"></span>Ooooh! Rollback. How very <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/16cM_r_mYNY">exciting</a>! <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Martinevans123-20250106223100-ToBeFree-20250106222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-20250106223100-ToBeFree-20250106222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-20250106223100-ToBeFree-20250106222700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20250106223800-Martinevans123-20250106223100"></span>Oh heh! I didn't know that's a thing. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-ToBeFree-20250106223800-Martinevans123-20250106223100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20250106223800-Martinevans123-20250106223100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20250106223800-Martinevans123-20250106223100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-20250106224600-ToBeFree-20250106223800"></span>Yes, now we can all see why users <a href="/wiki/Lemmings_(video_game)" title="Lemmings (video game)">positively flock</a> to become <a href="/wiki/Trollhunters:_Tales_of_Arcadia" title="Trollhunters: Tales of Arcadia">editors of good standing</a> and/or <a href="/wiki/Wall_of_death" title="Wall of death">lapsed Admins</a>. Yay! <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Martinevans123-20250106224600-ToBeFree-20250106223800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-20250106224600-ToBeFree-20250106223800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-20250106224600-ToBeFree-20250106223800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250107002400-ToBeFree-20250106222700"></span>Many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">ToBeFree</a> and thanks for the really nice message and carefully crafted template. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250107002400-ToBeFree-20250106222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250107002400-ToBeFree-20250106222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250107002400-ToBeFree-20250106222700"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_Birthday!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_Birthday!-20250111054200"><span id="Happy_Birthday.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_Birthday!-20250111054200"></span>Happy Birthday!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_Birthday!-20250111054200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Happy Birthday!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20250111054200-Happy_Birthday!"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238436933">.mw-parser-output .ombox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);box-sizing:border-box;color:var(--color-base,#202122)}.mw-parser-output .ombox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ombox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ombox-content{border:1px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ombox-style{border:1px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .ombox-move{border:1px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .ombox-protection{border:2px solid #a2a9b1}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-invalid-type{text-align:center}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .ombox{margin:4px 10%}.mw-parser-output .ombox.mbox-small{clear:right;float:right;margin:4px 0 4px 1em;width:238px}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.ombox img{max-width:none!important}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}</style><table class="box-Happy_Birthday plainlinks ombox ombox-notice" role="presentation" style="border: 2px solid SlateBlue; background: linear-gradient(to right, #a8ff78, #78ffd6);"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Twemoji12_1f382.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Birthday cake emoji" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/50px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/75px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Twemoji12_1f382.svg/100px-Twemoji12_1f382.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="padding: 0.75em; text-align:center;"><big><b>Happy birthday!</b></big><br/>Hi John! On behalf of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Birthday_Committee" title="Wikipedia:Birthday Committee">Birthday Committee</a>, I'd like to wish you a very happy birthday! Enjoy this special day! <a href="/wiki/User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives" title="User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives">DaniloDaysOfOurLives</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives" title="User talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20250111054200-Happy_Birthday!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20250111054200-Happy_Birthday!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20250111054200-Happy_Birthday!"></span></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Twemoji2_1f389.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250115075400-The_Signpost:_15_January_2025"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250115075400-The_Signpost:_15_January_2025"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels-20250120150400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels-20250120150400"></span>Nomination for merger of <a href="/wiki/Template:Flashman_novels" 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You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_20#Template:Flashman_novels" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 January 20"><b>the template's entry</b></a> on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Woodensuperman" title="User:Woodensuperman"><span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodensuperman" title="User talk:Woodensuperman"><span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Woodensuperman-20250120150400-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodensuperman-20250120150400-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodensuperman-20250120150400-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Flashman_novels"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord-20250125162000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord-20250125162000"></span>Lede edits on Die Antwoord<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord-20250125162000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Lede edits on Die Antwoord"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benmite-20250125162000-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord"></span>I saw you edited the lede of <a href="/wiki/Die_Antwoord" title="Die Antwoord">Die Antwoord</a> to remove the mentions of sexual assault allegations against Ninja and the abuse allegations leveled against them by their adopted son. You listed the reason simply as "BLP", and I was wondering what your reasoning for this change was. From the sources I've found, especially those from the past five years, the assault and abuse allegations have become pretty inextricable from their reputation. It's obviously contentious material as laid out in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a>, as are any allegations of that nature, but in the body, it's well-sourced not only that these allegations came out and received a reaction, but that it has been a point of thorough controversy and considerable discussion for them. LMK your thoughts. <a href="/wiki/User:Benmite" title="User:Benmite"><span style="font-family:'Constantia'; color:black;"><i><b>ben</b></i></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:red;"><b>ǝʇᴉɯ</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Benmite-20250125162000-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 25 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benmite-20250125162000-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benmite-20250125162000-Lede_edits_on_Die_Antwoord"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250125165100-Benmite-20250125162000"></span>Thanks, and thanks for not reverting. There was a central discussion (it's also linked at article talk) which was archived <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive363#h-Die_Antwoord-20240908143100">here</a> back in September, and I think there is no strong consensus to include these allegations in any of the three articles. Of course consensus can change and there are always discussions to be had, but my own feeling is that, although these allegations are real, because they have not been tested in court we should err on the side of being very careful with them. That may mean not mentioning them at all. I certainly thought the mention was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> for the lead. Happy to discuss further of course. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250125165100-Benmite-20250125162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 25 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250125165100-Benmite-20250125162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250125165100-Benmite-20250125162000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benmite-20250126083000-John-20250125165100"></span>I have to be honest and say I don't really think whether or not the allegations have been brought up in court has any bearing on their relevance to the group's public image. Zheani, the singer who first came forward with the allegations, filed a police report against Ninja, but there is no policy barring editors from including allegations until a court date has been secured. In fact, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PUBLICFIGURE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PUBLICFIGURE">WP:PUBLICFIGURE</a> suggests the contrary: "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it."</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>There are plenty of sources that cover the allegations in depth (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2019-03-13-inside-die-antwoords-messy-showdown-with-aussie-muso-zhekani/,"><i>TimesLive</i> article</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-woman-accuses-die-antwoord-singer-ninja-of-sexual-assault-20190904-p52nv7.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true"><i>SMH</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.news24.com/life/arts-and-entertainment/music/opinion-marred-by-controversy-and-soaked-in-scandal-is-die-antwoords-house-of-zef-collapsing-20200815-2,"><i>News24</i> article about their controversies</a>), but practically every article I've been able to find about them in the years since the allegations were made has also mentioned them in some capacity:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mixmag.net/read/die-antwoord-dropped-festival-hate-crime-news,">"Earlier this year, Australian rapper Zheani aimed a series of disturbing allegations..."</a> (2019)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dallasobserver.com/music/can-die-antwoord-survive-their-latest-in-string-of-scandals-11764757,">"Earlier this year, Australian rapper Zheani came forward with disturbing allegations..."</a> (2019)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.stereogum.com/2146985/die-antwoord-dropped-from-another-festival-after-artists-speak-out/news/,">"Ninja has also been accused of sexual assault by several women."</a> (2021)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-afrique/article/2022/05/09/south-african-rap-duo-die-antwoord-accused-of-sexual-abuse-by-their-adopted-son_5982935_12.html,">"Two women also accused Mr. Jones of sexual assault."</a> (2022)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://crackmagazine.net/2022/05/social-welfare-investigate-die-antwoord-over-child-abuse-allegations/,">"Ninja has also previously been accused of other incidents of sexual assault."</a> (2022)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thefader.com/2022/06/29/danny-brown-accuses-die-antwoords-ninja-of-sexual-assault,">"It wasn’t until 2019, however, that allegations of criminal misconduct began to surface. In March of that year, Australian musician Zheani Sparkes<span class="nowrap"> </span>... accused Ninja (whose legal name is Watkin Tudor Jones) of sexually assaulting her in 2013..."</a> (2022)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/die-antwoord-net-worth-songs-yolandi-ninja-tokkie-scandals-latest-14-january-2023/,">"In 2019, Australian female rapper Zheani Sparkes went public with elaborate allegations that Ninja had drugged, sexually assaulted, and human trafficked her into South Africa."</a> (2023) <a href="/wiki/User:Benmite" title="User:Benmite"><span style="font-family:'Constantia'; color:black;"><i><b>ben</b></i></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:red;"><b>ǝʇᴉɯ</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Benmite-20250126083000-John-20250125165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benmite-20250126083000-John-20250125165100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benmite-20250126083000-John-20250125165100"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250129192200-Benmite-20250126083000"></span>Interesting. These arguments would be better made in article talk or at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPN">WP:BLPN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250129192200-Benmite-20250126083000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250129192200-Benmite-20250126083000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250129192200-Benmite-20250126083000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg-20250128173900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg-20250128173900"></span>SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg-20250128173900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMK-20250128173900-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg"></span>Thanks for uploading the above picture, which receives up to 1000 views per day. I thought that any additional description details may improve its value, like perhaps: location, type of agriculture practiced here, type of crop planted or prepared, month and time of day, heritage of people depicted, or any similar details. <a href="/wiki/User:JMK" title="User:JMK">JMK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMK" title="User talk:JMK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-JMK-20250128173900-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 28 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMK-20250128173900-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMK-20250128173900-SouthAfricaFieldwork21989.jpg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250129192300-JMK-20250128173900"></span>I'm sorry but after this length of time I cannot remember any details securely. I think it was in the Western Cape, but even that isn't certain. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250129192300-JMK-20250128173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250129192300-JMK-20250128173900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250129192300-JMK-20250128173900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_the_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_the_template-20250202022300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_the_template-20250202022300"></span>About the template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_the_template-20250202022300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: About the template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WorldGoodday-20250202022300-About_the_template"></span>How to implement a template? What are the advantages of a template? (<a href="/wiki/User:WorldGoodday" title="User:WorldGoodday">WorldGoodday</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WorldGoodday" title="User talk:WorldGoodday">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-WorldGoodday-20250202022300-About_the_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WorldGoodday-20250202022300-About_the_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WorldGoodday-20250202022300-About_the_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250202032200-WorldGoodday-20250202022300"></span>A template is a good way to add the same information to many pages. You create it as [[Template:Foo]] and then you add it as {{Foo}}. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250202032200-WorldGoodday-20250202022300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250202032200-WorldGoodday-20250202022300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250202032200-WorldGoodday-20250202022300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="February_music" data-mw-thread-id="h-February_music-20250202223400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-February_music-20250202223400"></span>February music<span data-mw-comment-end="h-February_music-20250202223400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: February music"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400-February_music"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Bed_of_crocus,_Ehrenbach.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/290px-Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg" decoding="async" width="290" height="218" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/435px-Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/580px-Bed_of_crocus%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4000" data-file-height="3000"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2025#16_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2025">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>On the main page today, 300 years after its first performance, Bach's cantata <a href="/wiki/Mit_Fried_und_Freud_ich_fahr_dahin,_BWV_125" title="Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125">BWV 125</a>, - a lovely very intimate piece, with peace and joy in the title. <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#2_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">Enjoy listening with score</a> - I discovered that only now! - Today is also the birthday of <a href="/wiki/James_Joyce" title="James Joyce">James Joyce</a>, who has an article by many authors. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400-February_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400-February_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400-February_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250202232400-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400"></span>For once I am ahead of you: I saw that on the Main Page earlier and thought it might be one of yours. I'll try to listen when I get a chance. As for Joyce, I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Joyce&diff=1273500907&oldid=1273470782">got properly stuck into that article earlier</a>. It's basically sound but there were some terrible bits in it for a TFA. I love Joyce; a truly complex figure and a man for our times. "The Dead" never gets old for me. Take care and keep up the good work. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250202232400-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250202232400-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250202232400-Gerda_Arendt-20250202223400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700-John-20250202232400"></span>I had a long travel day before I could begin February ;) - glad you saw it yourself! --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700-John-20250202232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700-John-20250202232400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700-John-20250202232400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250204175200-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span>Back home, my <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#4_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">story torday</a> is about an actor who played in almost every German TV series and in internal cinema. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250204175200-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250204175200-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250204175200-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207065700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span>"Wahr", what you said below. I looked at the discussion with interest, but was too tired after a great trip to <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Images_2025#5_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2025">my brother's performance</a>, singular in a very literary way, and then a complex GA review. Thank you for your gnomish work for every FA, especially James Joyce! ... teaching me English every time I take the time to look! My story - not yet written - will be about a Turkish composer whose name I can't type: <a href="/wiki/%C4%B0lhan_Usmanba%C5%9F" title="İlhan Usmanbaş">İlhan Usmanbaş</a>. He deserved a better lead, but I didn't get to it yet. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207065700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207065700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207065700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span>more pics, and <a href="/wiki/Helga_de_Alvear" title="Helga de Alvear">the next nominated</a>, German-born gallerist and museum founder, - she seems to have known all the artists. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700-Gerda_Arendt-20250202233700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250207191100-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700"></span>Thank you for sharing, and for your tireless work on article creation and improvement. I've always rather looked down on my gnoming; a now-banned editor once described it as "shuffling commas around" which is a bit much but still resonates sometimes. I think what editors like you and <a href="/wiki/User:Ceoil" title="User:Ceoil">Ceoil</a> do in writing articles is probably less replaceable than my comma-shuffling activities (I could imagine an AI busting bad subjunctives or pruning unnecessary adverbs in the near future), aber es freut mich. It keeps me off the streets. Does German have a similar idiom? Look after yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250207191100-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250207191100-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250207191100-Gerda_Arendt-20250207182700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200-John-20250207191100"></span>"Es hält mich von der Straße." - Finding and adding references isn't much "more" than shuffling commas, and commas can change the meaning ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200-John-20250207191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200-John-20250207191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200-John-20250207191100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250207215300-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200"></span>Danke schön. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joyce">shuffled a few more commas</a>. I was pleased to find an incorrect spelling on an article that has recently been TFA. How childish. It makes me realise that having lived in the States I am probably better than average at spotting UK/US usage issues. Have a good evening. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250207215300-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250207215300-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250207215300-Gerda_Arendt-20250207193200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#8_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400-John-20250207215300"></span>today</a>: a German-born Spanish art collector, - the video in her honour is remarkable, as what she gave the world. - If you come to Germany through Frankfurt consider a stopover. I live 20 minutes by car from the airport (when traffic is without problems), and showed <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floq</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Graham87" title="User:Graham87">Graham</a> around in the <a href="/wiki/Rheingau" title="Rheingau">Rheingau</a> for a few hours, - Graham was even pictured in the Signpost ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400-John-20250207215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400-John-20250207215300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400-John-20250207215300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250209104700-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400"></span>Many thanks for the invitation Gerda. Planning for the summer is still at an early stage but I always lobby for Germany. If I appear it will be in an electric car; I don't like to fly unless I can't avoid it. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250209104700-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250209104700-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250209104700-Gerda_Arendt-20250208184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209143400-John-20250209104700"></span>That's fine, Idstein has a highway exit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209143400-John-20250209104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209143400-John-20250209104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209143400-John-20250209104700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209200700-John-20250209104700"></span>I find <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#9_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">today's birthday child</a> particularly inspiring, by enthusiasm and determination. That was - believe it or not - a pictured DYK in 2021, without the last line though. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209200700-John-20250209104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209200700-John-20250209104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250209200700-John-20250209104700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><a href="/wiki/Bundesautobahn_3" title="Bundesautobahn 3"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250210114700-February_music"></span>Bundesautobahn 3</a> is an old favourite for me. I'll definitely keep it in mind. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250210114700-February_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250210114700-February_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250210114700-February_music"></span> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#13_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800-February_music"></span>Today's story</a> is about <a href="/wiki/Edith_Mathis" title="Edith Mathis">Edith Mathis</a>, who portrayed young women by <a href="/wiki/Mozart" class="mw-redirect" title="Mozart">Mozart</a>. The video of a 1993 interview has videos of her performances. - I saw my brother on stage, - see places (A 2). --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800-February_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800-February_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800-February_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250213160400-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800"></span>Your workrate is very impressive. I wonder how you manage to write so very many interesting articles. Keep it up Gerda! <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250213160400-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250213160400-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250213160400-Gerda_Arendt-20250213145800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213161900-John-20250213160400"></span>Well, usually I just find some refs. In this particular case, however, almost nothing remained as it was from the article of last week. I also have great helpers, such as Grimes2 and you! --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213161900-John-20250213160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213161900-John-20250213160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250213161900-John-20250213160400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250214100400-John-20250213160400"></span>Look at places also for Valentine's food and flowers ;) - with <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#13_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">a story</a>, and more music there --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250214100400-John-20250213160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250214100400-John-20250213160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250214100400-John-20250213160400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800-John-20250213160400"></span>I point at <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#20_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">a composer today</a>, as the main page does. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800-John-20250213160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800-John-20250213160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800-John-20250213160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250221073600-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800"></span>Lovely! Keep up the good work, and keep being you. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250221073600-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250221073600-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250221073600-Gerda_Arendt-20250220222800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800-John-20250221073600"></span>Thank you, blushing, - I had nothing to with his article, but liked it ;) - <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#21_Feb" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">today's</a> is about an opera singer on her 35th birthday, - don't miss the short video which shows her in movement, - they had a Japanese movement coach for the production that impressed me in 2022. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800-John-20250221073600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800-John-20250221073600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800-John-20250221073600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250221214100-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800"></span>Schön. Mein Vater, der in 2019 gestorben hat, war ein Opera-fan. Wir haben in 1994 <i>La Traviata</i> zusammen gesehen. Süsse Erinnerungen. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250221214100-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250221214100-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250221214100-Gerda_Arendt-20250221195800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fascinating_stuff" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fascinating_stuff-20250203001600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fascinating_stuff-20250203001600"></span>Fascinating stuff<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fascinating_stuff-20250203001600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Fascinating stuff"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20250203001600-Fascinating_stuff"></span>Hi John. I just <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Captainllama#Babs_(2017_film)" title="User talk:Captainllama">posted a message somewhere</a> and noticed your preceding comment. What an excellent description. I would have plagiarised it for some of my lectures, but I had already retired from academia in 2006. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Kudpung-20250203001600-Fascinating_stuff" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20250203001600-Fascinating_stuff"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20250203001600-Fascinating_stuff"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250203073900-Kudpung-20250203001600"></span>Thank you! It's nice to meet someone else who understands this obscure but often misused facet of our language. As I get older, I often think that, as with the possessive apostrophe, it may be more trouble than it is worth. German uses a similar form to English for the subjunctive, but manages without the apostrophe when expressing belonging. I envy you your retirement! Just a year or two left for me. Take care, <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250203073900-Kudpung-20250203001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250203073900-Kudpung-20250203001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250203073900-Kudpung-20250203001600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250203090900-Kudpung-20250203001600"></span>PS, if you liked that, you might also enjoy <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BruschettaFan#James_Joyce" title="User talk:BruschettaFan">this</a>. Funny how things like this come in bursts. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250203090900-Kudpung-20250203001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250203090900-Kudpung-20250203001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250203090900-Kudpung-20250203001600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20250206221200-John-20250203090900"></span>I loved it. Like I also love the complexities of the French subjunctive which contemporary Francophones do their best to avoid, and highly inflected languages such as German and Russian (thank heavens I was forced to learn Latin, which I hated at the time, from my first year in primary school). My use of English, perforce, used to be quite pedantic but nowadays I don't bother much unless I'm writing a Wikipedia article. I no longer speak in capital letters either! <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Kudpung-20250206221200-John-20250203090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20250206221200-John-20250203090900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20250206221200-John-20250203090900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250207003600-Kudpung-20250206221200"></span>Thank you. I never had the benefit of learning Latin, so German was my first experience of a properly complex grammar. Of course native speakers frequently mix up the dative and the genitive, but life goes on. Nicht wahr, <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a>? As for the French subjunctive, I'm aware of it, but have never attempted to use it. Keep well, <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250207003600-Kudpung-20250206221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250207003600-Kudpung-20250206221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250207003600-Kudpung-20250206221200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20250207040500-John-20250207003600"></span>Richtig! (Grüß Dich Gerda! 😘) I don't think it's possible to master the French subjunctive at less than graduate level in FFL plus a long stay in France. My close relationship with the country goes back 62 years and I lived and taught there for 12, I still don't always get it right, but nor do they. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Kudpung-20250207040500-John-20250207003600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20250207040500-John-20250207003600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20250207040500-John-20250207003600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250207173800-Kudpung-20250207040500"></span>It sounds like your French and German will be way in advance of mine which can best be described as intermediate. I learned French at school and hated it (I found the accent ridiculous) but was surprised at how much I had retained when I first visited France as a young man. I tried to teach myself German from <i>Deutsch in drei monaten</i>, a book I bought at a jumble sale when I was 11. I found the grammar impenetrable at that age but again was surprised how much help it was when I tried again in my 20s. I have since spent many, many good times in both countries and derived enormous pleasure from both languages. I've learned that idioms are the key, both to effective communication and to "getting" good grammar. <i>Le petit matin</i> for "the small hours" and <i>um die Ecke</i> ("around the corner") are two I particularly cherish. I've also found my knowledge of these two languages greatly enriches my enjoyment of my native Scottish English. I can speak a few words of <a href="/wiki/Setswana" class="mw-redirect" title="Setswana">Setswana</a>, but that's another story. Best wishes. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250207173800-Kudpung-20250207040500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250207173800-Kudpung-20250207040500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250207173800-Kudpung-20250207040500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20250208124900-John-20250207173800"></span>Interesting that you can get by in a Bantu language. I can usually pass for a native in French and German but despite living here in Thailand for 26 years my Thai and Lao which we speak in my region (a difference like Spanish and Portugese) although reasonably 'fluent' haven't developed much. I'm challenged by what for me is an almost total absence of grammar as we know it - no determiners, no tenses, no punctuation. Being a musician helped to grasp the enormous importance of the tones though. Get the pronunciation wrong by just the difference between Edinburgh and Glasgow accents wrong and it means gobbeldygook. In Thai you can have up to 5 words that sound identical to a Western ear and each one means something completely different: <i>ไม้ ใหม่ ไม่ ไหม้ ไหม - mai mai mai mai mai</i> = New wood doesn't burn, right? In Lao its "ໄມ້ ໃໝ່ ບໍ່ ໄໝ້ ບໍ" - <i>mai mai bo mai bo</i> . I expect the African languages also have their oddities. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Kudpung-20250208124900-John-20250207173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20250208124900-John-20250207173800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20250208124900-John-20250207173800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250208140300-Kudpung-20250208124900"></span>I lived in Botswana for two years but only picked up a smattering. Very useful for the frequent police and army checkpoints they had in those days. The Setswana word for "child" (<i>ngwana</i>), with a very slightly different emphasis, can also mean "vagina". Imagine complimenting a new acquaintance: "Madam, what a beautiful child you have!" Nightmare. I have almost completely forgotten it all now. I like the glottal clicks in <a href="/wiki/Xhosa_language" title="Xhosa language">Xhosa</a> very much. Another century, another era. The most I can hope for now is a few days in Dusseldorf or Leipzig. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250208140300-Kudpung-20250208124900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250208140300-Kudpung-20250208124900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250208140300-Kudpung-20250208124900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20250209010300-John-20250208140300"></span>With English being a mix of Germanic and Romance, false cognates are the bane of any German-French-English translator too who is not perfectly bilingial, and they are the hallmarks of machine translation which I come across frequently when patrolling new articles. Your <i>ngwana</i> is a perfect example of the dangers - speakers of Peninsular Spanish have to really their our tongues when talking to Hispanics. German pronunciation is relatively easy for us Brits and it's a reasonably phonetic language to read, but I don't come across many who can get their tongues around the nasal posh Parisian French with it clipped vowels - I get away with it but I love the chance to lapse into my melodic accent du Midi. I really love Berlin German too, it's fine in Berlin and Brandenburg but if I use it in the wrong company further West I come out as being dead common; I suppose it's the nearest German equivalent of Cockney whereas nowadays Brits can generally speak their regional accents with pride.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>You have lived in the US. What I find truly fascinating are our 'nations divided by a common language'. I love their euphemisms. I had a dinner party for some visiting profs in my rambling XVII siècle pile near Avignon. An American asked if he could use the bathroom. 'Sure,' I replied, 'third floor, end of the corridor, on the left'. He came back down to the dining room and rather quietly whispered in my ear 'Er, I was actually needing the john.' 'Oh,' I said, 'It's just outside in the hall. You can't miss it, it's got WC on the door.' Good thing he hadn't asked for a restroom, I would probably have sent him to the master bedroom on the 4th floor! Mad Dogs and Englishmen! <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Kudpung-20250209010300-John-20250208140300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20250209010300-John-20250208140300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20250209010300-John-20250208140300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250209104000-Kudpung-20250209010300"></span>Five years in northern California, which was where I had the TEFL gig teaching Chinese kids the niceties of English grammar, which was where we started this conversation with the irrealis mood. Having been to school in the 1970s, I'd never formally learned the grammar of my own language and had to learn it from scratch. Knowing German grammar was a great help of course as ours is pretty much a subset of theirs. Yes, there are all the hilarious misunderstandings like asking if someone wanted to go outside and "smoke a fag" being interpreted as incitement to a hate crime. But beyond the different words that most UK speakers know well from American cinema, there are more subtle but pervasive differences between how we use our (mostly) common language. US English has a strong tendency towards formality, euphemism and hypercorrection. I shouldn't complain as it's been a large part of my fun on Wikipedia changing "individual" to "person" and "passed away" to "died". I think many Americans receive a very poor and shallow knowledge of English, mind you, so do many of us Home Islanders. Sala sêntle. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250209104000-Kudpung-20250209010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250209104000-Kudpung-20250209010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250209104000-Kudpung-20250209010300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_7_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025-20250207054500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025-20250207054500"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 7 February 2025<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025-20250207054500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 7 February 2025"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250207054500-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025"></span>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/Recent research">GPT-4 writes better edit summaries than human Wikipedians</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/News and notes">Let's talk!</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Opinion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/Opinion">Fathoms Below, but over the moon</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/In the media">Wikipedia is an extension of legacy media propaganda, says Elon Musk</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Community view: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/Community_view" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/Community view">24th Wikipedia Day in New York City</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Arbitration report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/Arbitration_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/Arbitration report">Palestine-Israel articles 5 has closed</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-02-07/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2025-02-07/Traffic report">A wild drive</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Read this Signpost in full</a></b> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2025-02-07" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2025-02-07">Single-page</a> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Unsubscribe</a> * Sent manually via <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250207054500-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250207054500-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250207054500-The_Signpost:_7_February_2025"></span></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Byzantine_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Byzantine_Empire-20250214151800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Byzantine_Empire-20250214151800"></span>Byzantine Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Byzantine_Empire-20250214151800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Byzantine Empire"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biz-20250214151800-Byzantine_Empire"></span>Hi John </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Byzantine_Empire" title="Byzantine Empire">Byzantine Empire</a> has now had all sections reviewed: sourced verified, scholarship added, and rewritten where necessary. We plan to have it go to a FAR vote this month. I hope this article, as the oldest FA now, can reflect a best standard in prose. Your expertise would now would be greatly appreciated! <a href="/wiki/User:Biz" title="User:Biz">Biz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biz" title="User talk:Biz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Biz-20250214151800-Byzantine_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biz-20250214151800-Byzantine_Empire"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biz-20250214151800-Byzantine_Empire"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250214152200-Biz-20250214151800"></span>Thank you. I'll be happy to take a look at that.<a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250214152200-Biz-20250214151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250214152200-Biz-20250214151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250214152200-Biz-20250214151800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250214205900-Biz-20250214151800"></span>What a beautiful and fascinating article! I was terribly ignorant about this empire and reading it has been fascinating. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Byzantine_Empire&diff=1275745954&oldid=1275699971">Here</a> is what I've achieved in three hours; I need to take a break now to eat and rest. I might come back to this later or else tomorrow. I think it is looking good but there are still one or two bits I'd like to work on. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250214205900-Biz-20250214151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250214205900-Biz-20250214151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250214205900-Biz-20250214151800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biz-20250214211200-John-20250214205900"></span>You are a legend! Thank you so much. That's fine this weekend is no problem. It needed someone detached from the content to read it so very happy you could do this. I'm glad you liked it: its taken 14 months! The amount of scholarship I've had to read personally has been <i>exhausting</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Biz" title="User:Biz">Biz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biz" title="User talk:Biz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Biz-20250214211200-John-20250214205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biz-20250214211200-John-20250214205900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biz-20250214211200-John-20250214205900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250215130100-Biz-20250214211200"></span>Not at all, the few hours I have contributed are nothing compared to your and your co-editors' Herculean efforts. I've made some suggestions at article talk. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250215130100-Biz-20250214211200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250215130100-Biz-20250214211200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250215130100-Biz-20250214211200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biz-20250215161200-John-20250215130100"></span>Thank you John, I've responded. I appreciate not just the time you've put in, but how you provide feedback. Happy to address issues you raise. <a href="/wiki/User:Biz" title="User:Biz">Biz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biz" title="User talk:Biz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-Biz-20250215161200-John-20250215130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biz-20250215161200-John-20250215130100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biz-20250215161200-John-20250215130100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="In_appreciation" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_appreciation-20250217142300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_appreciation-20250217142300"></span>In appreciation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_appreciation-20250217142300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: In appreciation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300-In_appreciation"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Copyeditor_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Copyeditor's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For your work on <a href="/wiki/Byzantine_Empire" title="Byzantine Empire">Byzantine Empire</a>. Always nice to have a skilled copyeditor follow up on your verbosity. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300-In_appreciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300-In_appreciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300-In_appreciation"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250217162100-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300"></span>Thanks a lot! As I said just above, my work on the article is tiny compared to yours. Good working with you. Any time. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John#c-John-20250217162100-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250217162100-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250217162100-AirshipJungleman29-20250217142300"></span></dd></dl> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&oldid=1277484078">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&oldid=1277484078</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 February 2025, at 22:36<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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