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<a href="/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Kosovo" class="mw-redirect" title="Roman Catholicism in Kosovo">Roman Catholicism in Kosovo</a>; <a href="/wiki/Adolph_John_Paschang" title="Adolph John Paschang">Bishop Adolph John Paschang</a>; <a href="/wiki/Cum_s%C3%A6pe_accidere" class="mw-redirect" title="Cum sæpe accidere">Cum sæpe accidere</a>; <a href="/wiki/Altar_Society" class="mw-redirect" title="Altar Society">Altar Society</a>; <a href="/wiki/American_Board_of_Catholic_Missions" title="American Board of Catholic Missions">American Board of Catholic Missions</a>; <a href="/wiki/Bernard_H%C3%A4ring" class="mw-redirect" title="Bernard Häring">Bernard Häring</a></li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">NPOV</a></i> :</b> <a href="/wiki/Americanism_(heresy)" title="Americanism (heresy)">Americanism (heresy)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Ensoulment" title="Ensoulment">Ensoulment</a></li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_pictures" title="Wikipedia:Requested pictures">Photo</a></i> :</b> see <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_of_Catholicism" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of Catholicism">Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of Catholicism</a></li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Stubs</a></i> :</b> see <a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_Catholicism_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class Catholicism articles">Category:Stub-Class Catholicism articles</a>; <a href="/wiki/Category:Catholic_Church_stubs" title="Category:Catholic Church stubs">Category:Catholic Church stubs</a></li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:As_of" title="Wikipedia:As of">Update</a></i> :</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PR">Peer review</a>; <a href="/wiki/John_Aloysius_Maguire" class="mw-redirect" title="John Aloysius Maguire">John Aloysius Maguire</a></li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">Verify</a></i> :</b> <a href="/wiki/Archdiocese_of_Glasgow" title="Archdiocese of Glasgow">Archdiocese of Glasgow</a>; <a href="/wiki/Archbishop_of_Westminster" title="Archbishop of Westminster">Archbishop of Westminster</a>; <a href="/wiki/Bishop" title="Bishop">Bishop</a>; <a href="/wiki/Saint_Mungo" title="Saint Mungo">Saint Mungo</a>; <a href="/wiki/Sanctification" class="mw-redirect" title="Sanctification">Sanctification</a>; <a href="/wiki/Westminster_Cathedral" title="Westminster Cathedral">Westminster Cathedral</a></li><li><b><i>Other</i> :</b> Watch <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Catholicism/Articles" title="Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Articles">recent changes</a> for Catholicism articles</li> </ul> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Shahada.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/35px-Shahada.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/53px-Shahada.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/70px-Shahada.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="342" data-file-height="192"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam">Islam</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Shahada.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/80px-Shahada.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/120px-Shahada.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/160px-Shahada.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="342" data-file-height="192"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239009302"><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><span class="portalbox-image"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Allah-green.svg/27px-Allah-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="27" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Allah-green.svg/40px-Allah-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Allah-green.svg/54px-Allah-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="206" data-file-height="215"/></span></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Islam" title="Portal:Islam">Islam portal</a></span></li></ul>This redirect is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam">WikiProject Islam</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of <a href="/wiki/Islam" title="Islam">Islam</a>-related articles on Wikipedia. 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There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">renominated</a>. Editors may also seek a <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment">reassessment</a></b> of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="width:100%"><table class="article-history-milestones" style="width:100%;font-size:90%"><tbody><tr><th colspan="3" style="font-size:110%">Article milestones</th></tr><tr style="text-align:left"><th>Date</th><th>Process</th><th>Result</th></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Books_of_the_Bible&oldid=477648862">February 19, 2012</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible/GA1" title="Talk:Books of the Bible/GA1">Good article nominee</a></b></td><td>Not listed</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WikiProject" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject"></span>WikiProject<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: WikiProject"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Based on a suggestion in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention" title="Wikipedia:Pages needing attention">Wikipedia:Pages needing attention</a>, I have started the skeleton of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bible" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible">WikiProject</a> to try to cut down on the overlap between the various presentations of the canon. I think that a lot of people working here will want input on this. Feel free! <a href="/wiki/User:Mpolo" title="User:Mpolo">Mpolo</a> 13:24, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Major_and_Minor._How_about_Former_and_Latter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Major_and_Minor._How_about_Former_and_Latter"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Major_and_Minor._How_about_Former_and_Latter"></span>Major and Minor. How about Former and Latter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Major_and_Minor._How_about_Former_and_Latter"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Major and Minor. How about Former and Latter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Though there is no distinction between Major nad Minor prophets in the Tanakh, the "N" (i.e. Neviim) are divided into two categories. Rishonim and Acharonim (Priori and Posteriori). Joshua, Judges, Samuel 1-2, Kings 1-2 are considered Neviim Rishonim, whereas the rest are considered Latter Prophets. Perhaps that ought to be included. I understand that would be hard to fit into the graph, but at least in text... </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Other_Bibles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_Bibles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_Bibles"></span>Other Bibles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_Bibles"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Other Bibles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>The OT list could also include lists for the Armenian Apostolic, Ethiopian and Syriac Bibles. Likewise the NT list could add the Syriac NT. There are 2 Catholic orders: Vulgate (Maccabees after Malachi) & Septuagint (Maccabees after Malachi). </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart" data-mw-thread-id="h-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z"></span>Collated Jewish books in the chart<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Collated Jewish books in the chart"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guðsþegn-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart"></span>I collated Jewish books in the chart. Previously the <i><a href="/wiki/Ketuvim" title="Ketuvim">Ketuvim</a></i> books were separated out from the rest of the chart and added to the bottom of the chart as a separate list. This made it appear (without close inspection and mental collation) that there was a massive difference between the Jewish <i><a href="/wiki/Tanakh" class="mw-redirect" title="Tanakh">Tanakh</a></i> and the Christian <i><a href="/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament">Old Testament</a></i>, which, of course, there is not. The Hebrew Bible and the Protestant Old Testament are even identical in content. This is made much more plain by the collation job done. I marked the <i>Ketuvim</i> books in bold, and I footnoted each one so that there would be no confusion with the <i><a href="/wiki/Nevi%27im" title="Nevi'im">Nevi'im</a></i> books. I think this brings much more clarity to the chart, which before seemed rather confusing. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gu%C3%B0s%C3%BEegn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Guðsþegn">Guðsþegn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gu%C3%B0s%C3%BEegn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Guðsþegn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Guðsþegn-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guðsþegn-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guðsþegn-2012-10-13T23:36:00.000Z-Collated_Jewish_books_in_the_chart"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Christian_Books" data-mw-thread-id="h-Christian_Books-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Christian_Books-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Christian Books<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Christian_Books-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Christian Books"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.20.102.126-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z-Christian_Books"></span>Can someone please add a Christian (not Catholic) table I'm having trouble making one. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.20.102.126" title="Special:Contributions/173.20.102.126">173.20.102.126</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:173.20.102.126&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:173.20.102.126 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-173.20.102.126-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z-Christian_Books" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.20.102.126-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z-Christian_Books"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.20.102.126-2014-06-25T15:41:00.000Z-Christian_Books"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"></span>Re: reversion of changes to book order<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Books_of_the_Bible&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Re: reversion of changes to book order"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:55:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"></span>(Copied from my user talk page: I thought it might be more useful here.) <a href="/wiki/User:Evensteven" title="User:Evensteven">Evensteven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evensteven" title="User talk:Evensteven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:55:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:55:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:55:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"></span>You stated that the order of the books of the Bible (specifically the New Testament) varies based on the denomination. This may be true, but the statement in the article that the order you have is accepted by most Protestants, Catholics, and Greek Orthodox is not. You can see the Catholic order <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible/">here</a>. Just on the bookshelf of my office, the same order is used in the NIV, NRSV, CEB, KJV, NKJV, TEV, CEV, RSV, and New Oxford Annotated Bible. All of these versions are used regularly across Protestant denominations. In fact, this is the order found in both my Greek texts: "A Reader's Greek New Testament: 2nd Edition" by Goodrich and Lukaszewski and "The Greek New Testament: 4th Revised Edition" edited by Aland et. al. Every Bible Commentary in my office, including the New Interpreter's Bible and The Interpreter's Bible has them in this order; however, to be fair, they do rely on the NIV and NRSV (former) and RSV and KJV (latter). You can also find this order in Box 1.4 on page 10 of "The New Testament (4th ed)" by Bart D. Ehrman. </p><p>I would request one of two things happen. 1) The correct order as cited above be placed in the article or 2) Both your order and the order I cited above be placed in the article with the statement that this order is the one used by most Protestant denominations as well as Roman Catholics. I have been unable to confirm that the Greek Orthodox use this order. </p><p>In the interest of learning, would you tell me which denominations use the order you have, and where this can be found? I was unable to find it in any google search. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pastor_Melissa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pastor Melissa (page does not exist)">Pastor Melissa</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pastor_Melissa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Pastor Melissa (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)</a>Pastor Melissa<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z-Re:_reversion_of_changes_to_book_order"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"></span>You appear to be new to Wikipedia. Welcome! I assume you are IP 50.195.146.93 who made the edits I recently reverted.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I wasn't calling into question the accuracy of your changes. I was questioning the editing process. Edit summaries are fine for simple matters, but it's clear that the book order in the Bible tends to be more complex, and moreover, could be subject to partisan rivalries among editors. The article has been stable for some time, indicating its original state has been generally acceptable to the community of editors who watch it, representing an editing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">consensus</a> (click or right-click on the blue word to bring up the editorial consensus policy). That consensus can change, but my action in reverting you was designed to draw attention to your edits so that sufficient attention could be drawn, and its desirability be weighed also by experienced editors here. The edit summaries could not explain your reasons or approach sufficiently for due consideration to be given (there just isn't room there). Now you have responded, quite perfectly I might add, and everyone can see your thoughts, which also appear to me to be quite reasonable.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The various Biblical versions don't just differ in order, of course, but in content (differences in accepted Biblical canon), and in grouping. Protestants eliminate several books (sometimes differently from each other too), often calling them Apochrypha, while Catholics and Orthodox take them as canonical (the Orthodox accept a couple more than Catholic). Western translations tend to stick with content and order as in the Vulgate, whereas Orthodox used the Greek of the Septuagint (I assume that's the basis for your "Greek" versions). Different orderings might be useful to different people for different reasons, depending on how far they are going into historical development of the canon and collections of original texts. In addition, while Protestant-oriented ordering may be natural to many westerners who speak English, there are also a great many English speakers worldwide of Catholic and Orthodox backgrounds, and all such use English Wikipedia.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I don't really oppose your changes. I hope I merely brought up a few things you may not yet have considered in approaching Wikipedia, asking that you give them what you consider to be proper weight. Then, if you still wish your changes to be made, it's ok with me if you want to revert my reversion. And now all the other editors here can also weigh in with any comments they want to bring, and respond to changes with a good idea of what's going on. Please be aware that we on Wikipedia often get editing from IP addresses (essentially anonymous) who leave behind a very few edits, all too often without merit or appreciation of things they haven't thought about. While yours did not have the earmarks of the less knowledgeable of those, I hope you now have also gained some insight into how valuable editorial review can be, and why we may pause to consider before going ahead with changes. Welcome again, and I hope we see you again in the Christianity pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Evensteven" title="User:Evensteven">Evensteven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evensteven#top" title="User talk:Evensteven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T16:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T18:25:00.000Z-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z"></span>The section I actually wished to change was the New Testament ordering. The Hebrew Bible/Old Testament list on the page seemed to do a good job of showing the variety of possible orders. As such, no, the Greek texts I used are not based on the Septuagint. They are compiled from a variety of manuscripts and are the two texts used most often in Koine Greek classes in undergraduate and graduate studies. The manuscripts most used in the one I prefer, edited by Aland et al, comes from papyri, uncials, miniscules, lectionaries, and several more. I have never seen arguments before about the ordering of the New Testament, so discovering this problem on Wikipedia surprised me. Admittedly, I do live in the US, but I have not been able to find any non-western sources that confirm a different order of the New Testament canon either.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thank you for the insight into how editorial changes should be made. In the future, should I encounter something I would like to add or edit, should I come to a page like this before making a change? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pastor_Melissa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pastor Melissa (page does not exist)">Pastor Melissa</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pastor_Melissa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Pastor Melissa (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T18:25:00.000Z-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 29 October 2015 (UTC)</a>Pastor Melissa<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T18:25:00.000Z-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T18:25:00.000Z-Evensteven-2015-10-29T17:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evensteven-2015-10-29T19:07:00.000Z-Pastor_Melissa-2015-10-29T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Yes, this is the place for anything that needs the consideration of the editing community, and that isn't readily addressed in simple fashion by edit comments themselves. But in many small matters, the edit comment alone is sufficient. So it's often a judgment call where to go first, and often the talk page is used once it's clear that there's an actual question that needs resolving.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As for arguments on Wikipedia, I can't say I've seen one specifically about Bible book order, either Testament, but stuff that is associated with differences among the churches can be sensitive, and I was seeking only to get explicit confirmation that all sides were fine. But as for your changes being to the New Testament ordering, indeed I see it now, but somehow I was thinking OT at the time I reverted you. That was completely my own blunder, for which I apologize. If I had only seen that aright the first time, I would have let your edit pass without all this commentary, and I would not have considered the matter to be sensitive. For indeed, I know of no real differences in NT canon, or ordering. I've only ever heard of infrequent criticisms of an early Reformation leader or two regarding bits from a couple of the general epistles, but nothing that altered it in major ways. Anyway, I hope I haven't influenced you to become too shy. After all, two more WP policies talk about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">editing boldly</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">how to respond when that doesn't work out the first time</a>, so no one really needs to walk on eggshells either. 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You know, "Jn" for "John", etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jerome_Charles_Potts" title="User:Jerome Charles Potts">Jerome Potts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerome_Charles_Potts" title="User talk:Jerome Charles Potts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Books_of_the_Bible#c-Jerome_Charles_Potts-2018-06-02T02:18:00.000Z-Abbreviations_of_the_names_of_the_books" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 2 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerome_Charles_Potts-2018-06-02T02:18:00.000Z-Abbreviations_of_the_names_of_the_books"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerome_Charles_Potts-2018-06-02T02:18:00.000Z-Abbreviations_of_the_names_of_the_books"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a 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