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While staying in Washington he stays at a Brotherhood provided home. Some information is here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525">http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.214.234.204" title="Special:Contributions/141.214.234.204">141.214.234.204</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:141.214.234.204&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:141.214.234.204 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z-Religious_Affiliation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z-Religious_Affiliation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z-Religious_Affiliation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.31.47.139-2010-03-13T17:45:00.000Z-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span>I've actually had a hard time tracking down his official denomination. Some sites suggest he is an Evangelical, others that he is a Catholic. I changed the "Religious Affiliation" to "Roman Catholic" on the basis of the comment here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGU0MmM3YTA3MTMzYzEwNWE2OTYzNjc3ODczZjdkZjY=">http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGU0MmM3YTA3MTMzYzEwNWE2OTYzNjc3ODczZjdkZjY=</a> The statement "Bart is a brother Knight" would have to mean that he's Catholic - only Catholics are eligible for membership in the Knights of Columbus. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.31.47.139" title="Special:Contributions/66.31.47.139">66.31.47.139</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.31.47.139&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:66.31.47.139 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-66.31.47.139-2010-03-13T17:45:00.000Z-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.31.47.139-2010-03-13T17:45:00.000Z-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.31.47.139-2010-03-13T17:45:00.000Z-141.214.234.204-2009-07-13T15:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prior_Office_Holder" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prior_Office_Holder-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prior_Office_Holder-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Prior Office Holder<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prior_Office_Holder-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Prior Office Holder"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span>Stupak suceeded Bob Davis, John Conyers is still in Congress. Why do people keep changing this? ```` <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.156.175.252" title="Special:Contributions/141.156.175.252">141.156.175.252</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:141.156.175.252&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:141.156.175.252 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2007-01-04T13:19:00.000Z-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Robert Davis did not represent the 1st District. Conyers preceded Stupak as the representative of the 1st district. The boundaries for congressional districts were dramatically redrawn following the 1990 census, which deserves a note, but as far as succession by district Conyers preceded Stupak in the 1st district. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Bkonrad-2007-01-04T13:19:00.000Z-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2007-01-04T13:19:00.000Z-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2007-01-04T13:19:00.000Z-141.156.175.252-2007-01-04T07:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2008-12-07T05:29:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span>Note that was added handles the issue. Do you even live in Michigan? John Conyers is still a Congressman representing the same (renumbered) district he's represented since the 60s. I'm changing it back to Robert Davis who was Bart Stupak's predecessor. If someone changes it to Conyers, I'm appealing it.<a href="/wiki/User:Mp2dtw" title="User:Mp2dtw">mp2dtw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mp2dtw" title="User talk:Mp2dtw">talk</a>) </p> <dl><dd>Appeal away. The boundaries for the 1st district were redrawn following the 1990 census. Before that redistricting, John Conyers represented Michigan's 1st district. <a href="/wiki/Robert_William_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="Robert William Davis">Robert William Davis</a> may have represented most of what is now the 1st district, but at the time he was serving it was the 11th district. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Bkonrad-2008-12-07T05:29:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2008-12-07T05:29:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2008-12-07T05:29:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mp2dtw-2008-12-07T21:27:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span>The explain to me how, if John Conyers was Bart Stupak's predecessor, John Conyers still represents the same district in Washington today. The first district was renamed as well, not simply redrawn. The old 11th district was the UP and northern lower Michigan. The old 1st district was northern & western Detroit plus a few suburbs. The new 1st is the UP and northern lower Michigan. The new 14th is northern & western Detroit plus a few suburbs. Your logic is faulty beyond belief. <a href="/wiki/User:Mp2dtw" title="User:Mp2dtw">mp2dtw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mp2dtw" title="User talk:Mp2dtw">talk</a>) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">undated</a> comment was added at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Mp2dtw-2008-12-07T21:27:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a>.</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mp2dtw-2008-12-07T21:27:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mp2dtw-2008-12-07T21:27:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.188.192.241-2009-11-09T15:04:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span>The current 1st congressional district was enlarged and renumbered after the 2000 census. It has always contained all of the counties in the Upper Peninsula and some counties in the northern most section of the lower peninsual. With the loss of a number of congressional seats after the census, several more counties were added to this district, which was formerly the 11th., and there was a state wide renumbeing. This geographic district (formerly the 11th was was renumbered the 1st.) was formerly held by Robert W. Davis (R) John Conyers never represented any part of this geographic area. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.188.192.241" title="Special:Contributions/68.188.192.241">68.188.192.241</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.188.192.241&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.188.192.241 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-68.188.192.241-2009-11-09T15:04:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.188.192.241-2009-11-09T15:04:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.188.192.241-2009-11-09T15:04:00.000Z-Prior_Office_Holder"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="regarding_his_son's_suicide" data-mw-thread-id="h-regarding_his_son's_suicide-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z"><span id="regarding_his_son.27s_suicide"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-regarding_his_son's_suicide-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z"></span>regarding his son's suicide<span data-mw-comment-end="h-regarding_his_son's_suicide-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: regarding his son's suicide"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.132.176.54-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z-regarding_his_son's_suicide"></span>This is from the Accutane article:<br/> U.S. Representative Bart Stupak (D-MI) is known for his distrust of Accutane. He believes unadvertised psychological side effects from the drug drove his teenage son, Bartholomew Thomas "B.J" Stupak Jr., to commit suicide in 2000.<br/> Maybe this should be incorporated here? <br/> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.132.176.54" title="Special:Contributions/217.132.176.54">217.132.176.54</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.132.176.54&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.132.176.54 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-217.132.176.54-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z-regarding_his_son's_suicide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.132.176.54-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z-regarding_his_son's_suicide"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.132.176.54-2009-01-05T00:15:00.000Z-regarding_his_son's_suicide"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""The_Family"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"The_Family"-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"><span id=".22The_Family.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"The_Family"-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"></span>"The Family"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"The_Family"-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: "The Family""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z-"The_Family""></span>The section on "The Family" doesn't have any mention or explanation of what kind of activities are taking place at the facility, or are alleged to be taking place, that Stupak claims he doesn't know about or isn't involved in. It's very puzzling in its current state. (I suspect those allegations may have been in the article at some point but were removed?) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.126.115.61" title="Special:Contributions/24.126.115.61">24.126.115.61</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.126.115.61" title="User talk:24.126.115.61">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z-"The_Family"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z-"The_Family""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z-"The_Family""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBFrenchhorn-2009-12-14T10:28:00.000Z-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"></span>That section, imo, should be edited, cut down, or removed. <a href="/wiki/User:JBFrenchhorn" title="User:JBFrenchhorn">JBFrenchhorn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBFrenchhorn" title="User talk:JBFrenchhorn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-JBFrenchhorn-2009-12-14T10:28:00.000Z-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBFrenchhorn-2009-12-14T10:28:00.000Z-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBFrenchhorn-2009-12-14T10:28:00.000Z-24.126.115.61-2009-11-22T17:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z-"The_Family""></span>I appreciate Boromir123's attempt to balance the edits I made last night. However, in doing so key facts have been lost. You deleted the fact that the Fellowship is a secretive organization. This is not controversial, and it is important. Fellowship member Bob Hunter stated to the press on national television: "But I do agree with you, that The Fellowship is too secret. We don‘t have a Web site. We don‘t have - we have a lot of good ministers, 200 ministers doing good works that nobody knows about. I think that‘s wrong, and there‘s a debate going on among a lot of people about whether and how we should change that." <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34728459/">Rachel Maddow Show, Jan. 5 2010</a> See also facts described regarding secrecy in <a href="/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)" title="The Fellowship (Christian organization)">The Fellowship</a>. There are a lot more inflammatory facts that could be mentioned about the organization than its secretiveness that I did not mention, such as its leaders praising of aspects of Hitler and other leaders/institutions like him (same cite). More to the point of the secretiveness of the organization, Stupak himself denied knowing anything about the Fellowship. This is important too. You deleted the fact that the Ohio VOICE challenged the tax status of the Fellowship on the grounds of, among others, the secrecy of the organization. In addition, Stupak introduced a controversial bill on a religious subject with another Fellowship member, which goes to his denial of knowledge or involvement with the organization. These facts are important, not subject to question, and need to go back in. To address your concern over NPOV, I will try to use a more neutral tone when I put these facts back in. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Likesausages" title="User:Likesausages">Likesausages</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Likesausages" title="User talk:Likesausages">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Likesausages" title="Special:Contributions/Likesausages">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z-"The_Family"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z-"The_Family""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z-"The_Family""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for your level-headed and reasonable response.<a href="/wiki/User:Boromir123" title="User:Boromir123">Boromir123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Boromir123" title="User talk:Boromir123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z-Likesausages-2010-03-06T14:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Likesausages-2010-03-08T01:36:00.000Z-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z"></span>And thank you too for your input, which made the piece better - WP at its best.<a href="/wiki/User:Likesausages" title="User:Likesausages">Likesausages</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Likesausages" title="User talk:Likesausages">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Likesausages-2010-03-08T01:36:00.000Z-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Likesausages-2010-03-08T01:36:00.000Z-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Likesausages-2010-03-08T01:36:00.000Z-Boromir123-2010-03-07T00:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span>Uganda 2009 Anti-Homosexuality Bill<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Uganda 2009 Anti-Homosexuality Bill"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"></span>I'm don't completely understand <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/meet_the_us_politicians_who_want_to_see_gay_people_dead_in_uganda">this article</a> about the <a href="/wiki/Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill" class="mw-redirect" title="Uganda 2009 Anti-Homosexuality Bill">Uganda 2009 Anti-Homosexuality Bill</a>, but I'm wondering if it should be included into Stupak's article, or if this source is more of an assumption? Anyone more knowledgeable about this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Danlev" title="User:Danlev"><span style="color:#339966;"><b>Dan Leveille</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danlev" title="User talk:Danlev"><sup><span style="color:#77BB99;"><b>TALK</b></span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Austinrh-2009-12-01T15:14:00.000Z-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span>It definitely needs to be included here. This is a <i>huge</i> deal! --<a href="/wiki/User:Austinrh" title="User:Austinrh">Austin de Rossi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Austinrh" title="User talk:Austinrh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Austinrh-2009-12-01T15:14:00.000Z-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Austinrh-2009-12-01T15:14:00.000Z-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Austinrh-2009-12-01T15:14:00.000Z-Danlev-2009-11-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.245.194.254-2009-12-09T16:41:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"></span>I deleted the section claiming that Stupak supports the Uganda anti-homosexuality bill. The source cited provides no evidence that Stupak supports that bill. The source only shows that a member of the Family is responsible for the bill but does not provide evidence that the Family as an institution supports the bill. In any case, according to the rest of the article, Stupak's relationship with the Family is ambiguous and it does not make sense to assume that he supports every action of a Family member. If that sentence is going to stay in, I think a better source showing that Stupak actually supports the bill is needed. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.245.194.254" title="Special:Contributions/192.245.194.254">192.245.194.254</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.245.194.254" title="User talk:192.245.194.254">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-192.245.194.254-2009-12-09T16:41:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.245.194.254-2009-12-09T16:41:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.245.194.254-2009-12-09T16:41:00.000Z-Uganda_2009_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI" data-mw-thread-id="h-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"><span id="2010_Governor.27s_Race_in_MI"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"></span>2010 Governor's Race in MI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 2010 Governor's Race in MI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI"></span>I can find no support for the statement that Bart Stupak will run for governor of Michigan in 2010. Unless someone can support this, it should be removed.<a href="/wiki/User:Rpogge" title="User:Rpogge">Rpogge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rpogge" title="User talk:Rpogge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z-2010_Governor's_Race_in_MI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danlev-2009-12-10T04:52:00.000Z-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"></span>That's what <a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">Template:citation needed</a> is for :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Danlev" title="User:Danlev"><span style="color:#339966;"><b>Dan Leveille</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danlev" title="User talk:Danlev"><sup><span style="color:#77BB99;"><b>TALK</b></span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Danlev-2009-12-10T04:52:00.000Z-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danlev-2009-12-10T04:52:00.000Z-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danlev-2009-12-10T04:52:00.000Z-Rpogge-2009-12-09T20:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Healthcare" data-mw-thread-id="h-Healthcare-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Healthcare-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"></span>Healthcare<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Healthcare-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Healthcare"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span>Could someone with the appropriate permissions please fix the healthcare language which not only overtly political but also refers to 'today'? </p><p><br/> I find the last few sentences of this section politically biased; in addition no references are cited. They also ignore the fact that A) before voting for the senate bill Stupak received assurances from Obama that an executive order would be used to quell his abortion fears, and B) That the Stupack Amendment offered up by republicans on March 21st was just a veiled parliamentary tactic designed to invalidate the just passed health-care reform bill at the last possible second. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sorcerer2007&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sorcerer2007 (page does not exist)">Sorcerer2007</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sorcerer2007&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Sorcerer2007 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z-Healthcare" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z-Healthcare"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T07:46:00.000Z-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"></span>Yes no kidding. The subjective remarks at the ends of some of the sections are tantamount to vandalism.<a href="/wiki/User:Alaroz33" title="User:Alaroz33">alaroz33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaroz33" title="User talk:Alaroz33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T07:46:00.000Z-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T07:46:00.000Z-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T07:46:00.000Z-Sorcerer2007-2010-03-22T07:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T08:27:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span>I've made the necessary changes and the page has been semi-protected now with the user doing most of the damage warned. For the record I'm a Republican and not happy with his vote but trashing his page with nonsense is not appropriate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wgfinley" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wgfinley">Wgfinley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wgfinley" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Wgfinley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T08:27:00.000Z-Healthcare" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T08:27:00.000Z-Healthcare"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T08:27:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span>Hey wiggly, the guy is a career politician that did not serve in vietnam although he definately was of age and has flip flopped around on his positions. If you don't think taht stuff is true, you are blind. And as far as being a Catholic, LMAO, sure he is. and I am the easter bunny./ <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:ProfGrunt" title="User:ProfGrunt">ProfGrunt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ProfGrunt" title="User talk:ProfGrunt">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ProfGrunt" title="Special:Contributions/ProfGrunt">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z-Healthcare" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z-Healthcare"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z-Healthcare"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z"></span>He's not a career politician, he clearly had jobs as a police officer and as a lawyer as the article indicates. He graduated high school in 1970 and went to college, I'm sure his draft status reflected that. Whatever the case, pointing out he didn't serve when he could have been drafted is meaningless. If he had wheels he'd be a wagon too but I'm not putting that in the article. As far as his religious beliefs he has stated them, whether he follows them is not for you to decide by changing his listing. Like I said, I couldn't disagree more with the guy and the position he took but vandalizing his article out of frustration is not the proper venue to vent that frustration. Giving money to his opponent was for me. Oh, and sign your comments for pete sake though I had little trouble figuring it out. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wgfinley" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wgfinley">Wgfinley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wgfinley" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Wgfinley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z-ProfGrunt-2010-03-22T09:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T19:44:00.000Z-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z"></span>I'm with you on all counts. Thank you for making the changes.<a href="/wiki/User:Alaroz33" title="User:Alaroz33">alaroz33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaroz33" title="User talk:Alaroz33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T19:44:00.000Z-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T19:44:00.000Z-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaroz33-2010-03-22T19:44:00.000Z-Wgfinley-2010-03-22T14:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_POV_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_POV_link-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_POV_link-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"></span>Remove POV link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_POV_link-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Remove POV link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z-Remove_POV_link"></span>In the "Biography" section please remove the POV link in the word Accutane in the paragraph about Bart Jr.. It is highly inappropriate. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.51.209.126" title="Special:Contributions/65.51.209.126">65.51.209.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.51.209.126" title="User talk:65.51.209.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z-Remove_POV_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z-Remove_POV_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z-Remove_POV_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"></span>I've changed this to a properly cited reference. However, since this was testimony given before a Congressional hearing on the safey of Accutane and the Congressman's views on the matter, it is a perfectly approrpiate to include it.<a href="/wiki/User:Dcmacnut" title="User:Dcmacnut">DCmacnut</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dcmacnut" title="User talk:Dcmacnut"><span style="color:blue;"><</span><span style="color:red;">></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-22T17:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z"></span>Well aren't direct links to external sites against policy. They should be listed as further reading at the end right? Also, it it POV to link the product name to testimony against the product. Nonetheless, thank you for changing to a Wikipedia page. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.51.209.126" title="Special:Contributions/65.51.209.126">65.51.209.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.51.209.126" title="User talk:65.51.209.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z-Dcmacnut-2010-03-22T17:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-23T18:52:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z"></span>This isn't an external link. It's a reference, which is different. Per the [[WP:IC|inline citation guidelines], external links can be used inline as citations (with or without <ref></ref>, but they should go at the end of the sentence being cited, like this<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/">[1]</a>. The original link was not used in that manner, which, as you pointed out, implied a connection that did not exist.<a href="/wiki/User:Dcmacnut" title="User:Dcmacnut">DCmacnut</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dcmacnut" title="User talk:Dcmacnut"><span style="color:blue;"><</span><span style="color:red;">></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-23T18:52:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-23T18:52:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dcmacnut-2010-03-23T18:52:00.000Z-65.51.209.126-2010-03-23T17:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Religion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Religion-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Religion-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z"></span>Religion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Religion-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Religion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.66.195.109-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z-Religion"></span>ex</i> Roman Catholic <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/24/stupak-pope-doesnt-control-catholic-lawmakers/">[2]</a> --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.66.195.109" title="Special:Contributions/88.66.195.109">88.66.195.109</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.66.195.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.66.195.109 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bart_Stupak#c-88.66.195.109-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z-Religion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.66.195.109-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z-Religion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.66.195.109-2010-03-28T13:15:00.000Z-Religion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-15T09:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-15T09:23:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-15T09:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bart_Stupak&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-07-15T09:23:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified 4 external links on <a href="/wiki/Bart_Stupak" title="Bart Stupak">Bart Stupak</a>. 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