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Welcome! <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Learn to edit</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Questions" title="Wikipedia:Questions">get help</a>.</li></ul> </div> <div class="talkheader-policies"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">Assume good faith</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Be polite</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">avoid personal attacks</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers">Be welcoming to newcomers</a></li> <li>Seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests">dispute resolution</a> if needed</li></ul> </div><div class="talkheader-shortcuts"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WT:RM"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcut</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:RM&redirect=no">WT:RM</a></span></li></ul></div></div> </div> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>NOTE:</b> This is <b>not</b> the place to request moves. Please follow the instructions given on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">project page</a>. If you seek instruction on closing existing requests, please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">closing instructions</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="box-Notice plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">Please use the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">Wikipedia:Move review</a></b> process for contested move request closes.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Fairytale_key_enter.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/40px-Fairytale_key_enter.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/60px-Fairytale_key_enter.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">To help <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Centralized_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">centralize</a> discussions and keep related topics together, most subpages of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a> that are unused have talk pages that redirect here.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-move" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/36px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png" decoding="async" width="36" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/54px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/72px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="36" data-file-height="40"></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This page has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. <p><b>Discussions: </b> </p> <ul><li>RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, <b>No consensus</b>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_10#Proposed_move" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 10">7 June 2007</a></li> <li>RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, <b>Not moved</b>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_30#Requested_move_5_February_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 30">11 February 2018</a></li> <li>RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Articles for renaming, <b>Not moved</b>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_31#Requested_move_19_September_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 31">19 September 2018</a></li> <li>RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Requested title changes, <b>Not moved</b>, <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1236100571#Requested_move_22_July_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1236100571">22 July 2024</a></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" value="insource:move intitle:" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"></div> <input type="hidden" name="ns1" value="1" id="mw-inputbox-ns1-0.681937916750" checked> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value='Search for "move"' class="cdx-button"></form></div> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" value='insource:"requested move" intitle:' placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"></div> <input type="hidden" name="ns1" value="1" id="mw-inputbox-ns1-0.234466980397" checked> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value='Search for "requested move"' class="cdx-button"></form></div> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Enter the title (or part of a title) to search for after "intitle:", then click "search"</div> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Try other variants (e.g. "move discussion") to broaden or narrow your search</div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table id="archivebox" role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center; padding: 1em;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding:0.6em 0 0.25em;"> <div style="width:100%; overflow:hidden;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"></a></span><br><b>Archives</b></div> </td></tr><tr> <td class="plainlinks"> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_index" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive index">Index</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 7">7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 9">9</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 10">10</a><br><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 11">11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_12" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 12">12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 13">13</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_14" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 14">14</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_15" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 15">15</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_16" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 16">16</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_17" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 17">17</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_18" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 18">18</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_19" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 19">19</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_20" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 20">20</a><br><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_21" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 21">21</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_22" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 22">22</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_23" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 23">23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_24" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 24">24</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_25" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 25">25</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_26" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 26">26</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_27" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 27">27</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_28" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 28">28</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_29" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 29">29</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_30" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 30">30</a><br><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_31" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 31">31</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_32" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 32">32</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_33" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 33">33</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_34" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 34">34</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_35" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 35">35</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_36" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 36">36</a></td></tr><tr><td class="plainlinks" style="padding:0px 10px; text-align:left;"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Move_requests" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Move requests">Administrators' noticeboard/Move requests</a> (2005)</li> <li>For why RM was created, see: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_A#requested_moves_--_policy_change?" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive A">requested moves -- policy change?</a></li></ul></li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="background:#e0d2a3; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center; color:#202122"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Archives by date</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: #f8eabb;"> <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 1">Oct 2004 – Jan 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 2">Jan 2005 – Feb 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 3">Feb 2005 – Mar 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 4">Mar 2005 – Aug 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 5">Aug 2005 – Dec 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 6">Dec 2005 – Jun 2006</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 7">Jun 2006 – Sep 2006</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 8">Sep 2006 – Feb 2007</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 9">Feb 2007 – May 2007</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 10">May 2007 – Nov 2007</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 11">Nov 2007 – May 2008</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_12" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 12">Jun 2008 – Oct 2008</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 13">Nov 2008 – Jan 2009</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_14" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 14">Jan 2009</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_15" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 15">Jan 2009 – Jun 2009</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_16" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 16">Jun 2009 – Oct 2009</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_17" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 17">Oct 2009 – Jun 2010</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_18" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 18">Jun 2010 – Oct 2010</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_19" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 19">Oct 2010 – Jan 2011</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_20" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 20">Jan 2011 – Sep 2011</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_21" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 21">Sep 2011 – Jan 2012</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_22" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 22">Jan 2012 – Apr 2012</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_23" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 23">Apr 2012 – Aug 2012</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_24" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 24">Aug 2012 – Dec 2012</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_25" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 25">Dec 2012 – Dec 2013</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_26" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 26">Dec 2013 – Nov 2014</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_27" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 27">Nov 2014 – Apr 2015</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_28" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 28">Apr 2015 – Jun 2016</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_29" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 29">Jun 2016 – May 2017</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_30" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 30">May 2017 – Mar 2018</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_31" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 31">Mar 2018 – May 2019</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_32" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 32">May 2019 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And I can't fix it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ironzombie39" title="User:Ironzombie39">Ironzombie39</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ironzombie39" title="User talk:Ironzombie39">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Ironzombie39-20241101120500-Move_%E2%80%9CBelarusian_People%CA%BBs_Republic%E2%80%9D_to_%E2%80%9CBelarusian_People's_Republic%E2%80%9D" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ironzombie39-20241101120500-Move_“Belarusian_Peopleʻs_Republic”_to_“Belarusian_People's_Republic”"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Primefac-20241101121500-Ironzombie39-20241101120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241101121500-Ironzombie39-20241101120500"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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"Mathematical object"<span data-mw-comment-end='h-Move_"Mathematical_object_(philosophy)"_back_to_"Mathematical_object"-20241112154200'></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-32' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112183900-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200">22 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200-Move_"Mathematical_object_(philosophy)"_back_to_"Mathematical_object"'></span>A user renamed the long-standing "Mathematical object" article to <a href="/wiki/Mathematical_object_(philosophy)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mathematical object (philosophy)">Mathematical object (philosophy)</a> without any discussion, I can't move it back or rename it as the original title was made a redirect to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Mathematical_object_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Mathematical object (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Mathematical object (disambiguation)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Farkle_Griffen" title="User:Farkle Griffen">Farkle Griffen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farkle_Griffen" title="User talk:Farkle Griffen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200-Move_%22Mathematical_object_(philosophy)%22_back_to_%22Mathematical_object%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200-Move_"Mathematical_object_(philosophy)"_back_to_"Mathematical_object"'><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200-Move_"Mathematical_object_(philosophy)"_back_to_"Mathematical_object"'></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112183900-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200"></span>Resolved <a href="/wiki/User:Farkle_Griffen" title="User:Farkle Griffen">Farkle Griffen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farkle_Griffen" title="User talk:Farkle Griffen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112183900-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farkle_Griffen-20241112183900-Farkle_Griffen-20241112154200"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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id="h-Move_the_article_of_Yifei_Ye_to_Ye_Yifei-20241121063700"></span>Move the article of <a href="/wiki/Yifei_Ye" title="Yifei Ye">Yifei Ye</a> to <a href="/wiki/Ye_Yifei" class="mw-redirect" title="Ye Yifei">Ye Yifei</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_the_article_of_Yifei_Ye_to_Ye_Yifei-20241121063700"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-33' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Primefac-20241123131000-Thfeeder-20241121063700">11 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thfeeder-20241121063700-Move_the_article_of_Yifei_Ye_to_Ye_Yifei"></span>I want to move the article based on the Chinese name format where the surname placed first. In motorsport, he always called by Yifei Ye than Ye Yifei, but to make it consistent with other Chinese figures, and people his name has to be Ye Yifei. It's not Zedong Mao, it's Mao Zedong for example. Hope someone can accepts the changes. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Thfeeder" title="User:Thfeeder">Thfeeder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thfeeder" title="User talk:Thfeeder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Thfeeder-20241121063700-Move_the_article_of_Yifei_Ye_to_Ye_Yifei" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thfeeder-20241121063700-Move_the_article_of_Yifei_Ye_to_Ye_Yifei"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tiggerjay-20241126192400-RaschenTechner-20241126125400">8 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaschenTechner-20241124180100-Overcomplication"></span>Making move requests is way too overcomplicated, this page should be handled like the protection request page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RaschenTechner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RaschenTechner (page does not exist)">RaschenTechner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaschenTechner" title="User talk:RaschenTechner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-RaschenTechner-20241124180100-Overcomplication" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaschenTechner-20241124180100-Overcomplication"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaschenTechner-20241124180100-Overcomplication"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nohomersryan-20241125164900-RaschenTechner-20241124180100"></span>Protections aren't generally controversial, so the format isn't very useful for something that typically requires debate. There is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMTR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMTR">WP:RMTR</a> for uncomplicated moves that no one will object to. <a href="/wiki/User:Nohomersryan" title="User:Nohomersryan">Nohomersryan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nohomersryan" title="User talk:Nohomersryan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Nohomersryan-20241125164900-RaschenTechner-20241124180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nohomersryan-20241125164900-RaschenTechner-20241124180100"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nohomersryan-20241125164900-RaschenTechner-20241124180100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaschenTechner-20241125184600-Nohomersryan-20241125164900"></span>What I mean is that there isn't an "add topic" button or something like this on this page, unlike the protection request page, you would have to edit the page manually, which you can't do as an IP user, because this page is semi-protected. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RaschenTechner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RaschenTechner (page does not exist)">RaschenTechner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaschenTechner" title="User talk:RaschenTechner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-RaschenTechner-20241125184600-Nohomersryan-20241125164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaschenTechner-20241125184600-Nohomersryan-20241125164900"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaschenTechner-20241125184600-Nohomersryan-20241125164900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nohomersryan-20241125185000-RaschenTechner-20241125184600"></span>There is no reason to edit it. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMTR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMTR">WP:RMTR</a> has no protection. Regular RMs are made on article talk pages and transcribed here. <a href="/wiki/User:Nohomersryan" title="User:Nohomersryan">Nohomersryan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nohomersryan" title="User talk:Nohomersryan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Nohomersryan-20241125185000-RaschenTechner-20241125184600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nohomersryan-20241125185000-RaschenTechner-20241125184600"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nohomersryan-20241125185000-RaschenTechner-20241125184600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaschenTechner-20241125194600-Nohomersryan-20241125185000"></span>I mean the move request page, not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMTR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMTR">Wikipedia:RMTR</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RaschenTechner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RaschenTechner (page does not exist)">RaschenTechner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaschenTechner" title="User talk:RaschenTechner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-RaschenTechner-20241125194600-Nohomersryan-20241125185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaschenTechner-20241125194600-Nohomersryan-20241125185000"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaschenTechner-20241125194600-Nohomersryan-20241125185000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiggerjay-20241125210100-RaschenTechner-20241125194600"></span>Do you find using a single template on the talk page of an article difficult? See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSPM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSPM">WP:RSPM</a> -- there is only two parameters: the requested new name and your reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Tiggerjay" title="User:Tiggerjay"><span style="color:DarkOrange"><b>Tigger</b></span><b>Jay</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiggerjay" title="User talk:Tiggerjay"><span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Tiggerjay-20241125210100-RaschenTechner-20241125194600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiggerjay-20241125210100-RaschenTechner-20241125194600"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tiggerjay-20241125210100-RaschenTechner-20241125194600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaschenTechner-20241126125400-Tiggerjay-20241125210100"></span>But you still need to edit this page, there is no "add topic" button even though there should be one. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RaschenTechner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RaschenTechner (page does not exist)">RaschenTechner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaschenTechner" title="User talk:RaschenTechner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-RaschenTechner-20241126125400-Tiggerjay-20241125210100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaschenTechner-20241126125400-Tiggerjay-20241125210100"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaschenTechner-20241126125400-Tiggerjay-20241125210100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiggerjay-20241126192400-RaschenTechner-20241126125400"></span>As <a href="/wiki/User:Nohomersryan" title="User:Nohomersryan">Nohomersryan</a> stated, they are very different applications, used in different places. The "add topic" is used on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMTR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMTR">WP:RMTR</a> page, and that discussion is not included on the article talk page -- its not necessary since it is specifically "discussed on the article talk page". However, by contrast, regular moves are discussed on the talk page, so a simple button on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> would be impossible to work currently, as it would require backend changes to the Mediawiki software or requiring people to otherwise run untrusted Javascript. However, an example of a tool talk might help you specifically is to look over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle" title="Wikipedia:Twinkle">Wikipedia:Twinkle</a> and make a request on that talk page. That is a tool that would add an extra navigation tab at the top of your browser that would let you do RMs when viewing the article itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Tiggerjay" title="User:Tiggerjay"><span style="color:DarkOrange"><b>Tigger</b></span><b>Jay</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiggerjay" title="User talk:Tiggerjay"><span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Tiggerjay-20241126192400-RaschenTechner-20241126125400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiggerjay-20241126192400-RaschenTechner-20241126125400"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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id="h-Move_cleanup-20241127042500"></span>Move cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_cleanup-20241127042500"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-35' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tiggerjay-20241204054400-Bagumba-20241127132100">21 hours ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Cleaning_up_after_the_move" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241127042500-Move_cleanup"></span>Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Cleaning up after the move</a> reads: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style></p><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>You should not close any move if you are unwilling to do the necessary clean up tasks described at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POSTMOVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POSTMOVE">WP:POSTMOVE</a></p></blockquote><p> Maybe I just more notice and remember the cases where this isn't done, but to what extent does the community consider this a closer requirement versus some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NODEADLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NODEADLINE">WP:NODEADLINE</a> laundry list that anyone can volunteer to do, not necessarily the closer. I'm trying to have the proper perspective on this. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Bagumba-20241127042500-Move_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241127042500-Move_cleanup"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241127042500-Move_cleanup"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20241127043400-Bagumba-20241127042500"></span>The line is pretty clear, if an editor wants to close a move, they should be willing to do the postmove cleanup, such as fixing bypass redirects in templates or retargeting links and cleaning up leads.</dd> <dd>The only general exception I'd see to that is if some editors in the discussion have volunteered preemptively that they will do some of the cleanup if it's not just ordinary cleanup. Like say an alternative result of a split or so that requires more than routine cleanup. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Raladic-20241127043400-Bagumba-20241127042500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241127043400-Bagumba-20241127042500"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20241127043400-Bagumba-20241127042500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiggerjay-20241127085500-Bagumba-20241127042500"></span>My perspective has been that editors should avoid closing articles if they cannot complete the task within a reasonable amount of time, say an hour or so. The exception to this that I can think of have been in RMnac situations where sometimes an experienced editor can perform most (but not all) of the necessary close steps (such as a delay such as waiting for a CSD to make room) or they might be closing the discussion, and then asking requesting a technical move, etc. But in these cases, they should be monitoring for those changes to take place and promptly go about finishing up any cleanup work, which I'd AGF and gracefully give many hours (but not multiple days) for this to be accomplished (e.g. an Admin performs their action while the closer is now asleep). However, at this point, I would say it would be acceptable for another experienced editor to jump in and help out as well with wrapping up the cleanup tasks. However, if any RM closer is consistently dropping the ball with regards to cleanup tasks, do AGF and use their talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Tiggerjay" title="User:Tiggerjay"><span style="color:DarkOrange"><b>Tigger</b></span><b>Jay</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiggerjay" title="User talk:Tiggerjay"><span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Tiggerjay-20241127085500-Bagumba-20241127042500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiggerjay-20241127085500-Bagumba-20241127042500"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tiggerjay-20241127085500-Bagumba-20241127042500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241127132100-Tiggerjay-20241127085500"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">However, at this point, I would say it would be acceptable for another experienced editor to jump in and help out as well with wrapping up the cleanup tasks</q>: Yeah, I'm sure nobody would mind if a non-closer volunteers to help cleanup. But my original question was about the expectation of closers to cleanup their moves, such as old titles that got usurped or links in navboxes. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Bagumba-20241127132100-Tiggerjay-20241127085500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241127132100-Tiggerjay-20241127085500"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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title="User talk:Tiggerjay"><span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Tiggerjay-20241204054400-Bagumba-20241127132100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiggerjay-20241204054400-Bagumba-20241127132100"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frost-20241201140700-Participating_in_a_RM_after_relisting"></span>These texts don't seem to align: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Relisting_a_requested_move" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves#Relisting a requested move</a> - "While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote."</li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Relisting_and_participating" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Relisting and participating</a> - "A relister may later become a participant or closer in the requested move discussion or survey."</li></ul> <p>Should either or both be removed/changed to become aligned on whether participating in an RM after relisting is allowed/not allowed/encouraged/discouraged/etc? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frost" title="User talk:Frost"><span style="color: #9cbfe8; font-family: Bahnschrift">Frost</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Frost-20241201140700-Participating_in_a_RM_after_relisting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frost-20241201140700-Participating_in_a_RM_after_relisting"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled 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something neutrally and thereafter some arguments are made by editors and the person who relisted it will often be following threads as well a week later to potentially close it, but sometimes new arguments are made since relisting (since that's the point) and as experienced editors, sometimes then instead of closing a discussion as say no consensus based on the presented arguments, that editor may instead decide to become a party of the discussion and present new evidence as a participant, which, while rare, is not entirely unheard of, since the people that relist/close sometimes have more experience with regards to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AT">WP:AT</a> policies and if such evidence wasn't presented in an RM, it can be useful to present it instead of just letting an RM play out resulting in potentially a wrong move. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Raladic-20241201164700-Frost-20241201140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241201164700-Frost-20241201140700"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20241201164700-Frost-20241201140700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Safrolic-20241201173500-Frost-20241201140700"></span>They seem to say the same thing. Many editors consider many acceptable things inadvisable, but PAG is based on consensus. But the way the first sentence is structured implies that the opinions of many editors outweighs the lack of editor consensus. Perhaps it could be changed to read, "While many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote, there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it." <a href="/wiki/User:Safrolic" title="User:Safrolic">Safrolic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Safrolic" title="User talk:Safrolic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Safrolic-20241201173500-Frost-20241201140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Safrolic-20241201173500-Frost-20241201140700"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Safrolic-20241201173500-Frost-20241201140700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frost-20241201185900-Safrolic-20241201173500"></span>The first sentence discourages against participating after relisting, the second one says it's allowed. I think some clarity, on both pages, is needed if it's allowed, discouraged or both. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frost" title="User talk:Frost"><span style="color: #9cbfe8; font-family: Bahnschrift">Frost</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Frost-20241201185900-Safrolic-20241201173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frost-20241201185900-Safrolic-20241201173500"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Frost-20241201185900-Safrolic-20241201173500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adumbrativus-20241203092900-Frost-20241201140700"></span>The lines from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a> about supervote are wrong and should be <b>removed</b>. A supervote is when a closure reflects the closer's own preference, which should have been a vote, but instead is a super-powered vote that gets the last word and shuts down rebuttal. A relist does none of that. It doesn't stop other people from discussing. It doesn't stop other people from closing ("there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion"). All it is is one person's non-binding opinion that a discussion wasn't ready for closure at a particular time. Participating after relisting is no big deal. <a href="/wiki/User:Adumbrativus" title="User:Adumbrativus">Adumbrativus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adumbrativus" title="User talk:Adumbrativus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Adumbrativus-20241203092900-Frost-20241201140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adumbrativus-20241203092900-Frost-20241201140700"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adumbrativus-20241203092900-Frost-20241201140700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dekimasu-20241203131400-Frost-20241201140700"></span>The underlying idea is that there are always enough participants for a discussion without relying upon the input of involved editors. The lines effectively discourage adding a !vote at the same time as relisting, which would usually be disruptive in practice if not in theory (most closers wait for resisted discussions to expire even though that is not required). With that in mind I think it is best for both lines to be retained. The general practice should be discouraged, and it is noted that it is not explicitly forbidden in special cirumstances. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Dekimasu-20241203131400-Frost-20241201140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dekimasu-20241203131400-Frost-20241201140700"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dekimasu-20241203131400-Frost-20241201140700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiggerjay-20241204055000-Frost-20241201140700"></span>While I can see what you bring up, they're not exactly conflicting, but they could introduce confusion, especially for those who never look at the closing instructions so regular participators in the RM might feel that it is inappropriate. However, at the end of the day I believe that most closers properly understand how much weight to place on the relisting editor -- which is basically almost zero. However, we still want to discourage the general practice of people relisting and !voting, as it might give the appearance of trying to game the system, especially when their !vote is running in contrary to what otherwise might appear to be consensus forming. <a href="/wiki/User:Tiggerjay" title="User:Tiggerjay"><span style="color:DarkOrange"><b>Tigger</b></span><b>Jay</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiggerjay" title="User talk:Tiggerjay"><span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Tiggerjay-20241204055000-Frost-20241201140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiggerjay-20241204055000-Frost-20241201140700"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tiggerjay-20241204055000-Frost-20241201140700"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?-20241204020900"><span id="Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?-20241204020900"></span>Best way to handle a complicated move?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?-20241204020900"></span></h2><span id='ooui-php-37' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Blameless-20241205000900-CX_Zoom-20241204173300">3 hours ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blameless-20241204020900-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?"></span>I need help with something, if you don't mind. I came across a weird situation with <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists" title="List of mandolinists">List of mandolinists</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists_(sorted)" class="mw-redirect" title="List of mandolinists (sorted)">List of mandolinists (sorted)</a>. The original list has been pretty static for a long time, and the sorted list is fuller, better cited, and better maintained. I proposed merging them and have <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_mandolinists#Merge_proposal" title="Talk:List of mandolinists">heard no objections</a>, but it's not really a merge, because other than a couple of citations that needed to be copied over (which I've already done), all of the content will come from the sorted list. So it seems counter-productive to copy and paste it over the original list--the history should be with the content. How is this sort of thing handled? Move the original list to a subpage to preserve <i>it's</i> history, maybe, and then move the sorted list to <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists" title="List of mandolinists">List of mandolinists</a>? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Blameless" title="User:Blameless"><small>blameless</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Blameless-20241204020900-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blameless-20241204020900-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blameless-20241204020900-Best_way_to_handle_a_complicated_move?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20241204111900-Blameless-20241204020900"></span>Redirect the former page to the latter, tag it with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_merge" title="Template:R from merge">r from merge</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_with_history" title="Template:R with history">r with history</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, make sure to add all of the appropriate talk page attribution templates (e.g. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Merged_from" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Merged from">merged from</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) and call it a day. Just because there isn't actually any text being merged doesn't mean that the pages can't be merged. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Primefac-20241204111900-Blameless-20241204020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241204111900-Blameless-20241204020900"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20241204111900-Blameless-20241204020900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CX_Zoom-20241204173300-Primefac-20241204111900"></span>And if you want <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists_(sorted)" class="mw-redirect" title="List of mandolinists (sorted)">List of mandolinists (sorted)</a> to go to <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists" title="List of mandolinists">List of mandolinists</a> after the merge, a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAGESWAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAGESWAP">WP:PAGESWAP</a> will be required, which can be performed by a page mover or administrator. <span class="nowrap">—<b><a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom" title="User:CX Zoom">CX Zoom</a></b>[he/him]</span> <sup class="nowrap">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CX_Zoom" title="User talk:CX Zoom">let's talk</a> • {<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CX_Zoom" title="Special:Contributions/CX Zoom">C</a>•<a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom/X" title="User:CX Zoom/X">X</a>})</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-CX_Zoom-20241204173300-Primefac-20241204111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CX_Zoom-20241204173300-Primefac-20241204111900"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CX_Zoom-20241204173300-Primefac-20241204111900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blameless-20241205000900-CX_Zoom-20241204173300"></span>Thanks. Is that better than using the templates to point to the history? I have now completed the merge, so right the history of what is now <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists" title="List of mandolinists">List of mandolinists</a> is at <a href="/wiki/List_of_mandolinists_(sorted)" class="mw-redirect" title="List of mandolinists (sorted)">List of mandolinists (sorted)</a>, which is a redirect. <a href="/wiki/User:Blameless" title="User:Blameless"><small>blameless</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves#c-Blameless-20241205000900-CX_Zoom-20241204173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blameless-20241205000900-CX_Zoom-20241204173300"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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