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class="subtitle">Charles Bernstein, 'In a Restless World Like This Is'</h3><div class="podcast-series-byline"><a href="/content/poem-talk">PoemTalk</a></div><p><a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-21-Bernstein-In_a_Restless_World.mp3">LISTEN TO THE SNOW</a></p> <p><img src="https://jacket2.org/system/files/images/pt21-Bernstein-Durand-Lazer-Goldbatt-mar09.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; width: 320px; height: 240px;" class="mceItem" border="0" />In PT #21 we talk about a poem by <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Bernstein.html">Charles Bernstein</a> written in 2002, published in <em>World on Fire</em> and eventually collected in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Girly-Man-Charles-Bernstein/dp/0226044297"><em>Girly Man</em></a>: “In a Restless World Like This Is.” As <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Durand.php">Marcella Durand</a> informs the PoemTalkers, the title is taken from the lyrics of a sweet 1940s song, sung later by Nat King Cole, Doris Day, <em>et alia</em>. Why derive the title from so sentimental a source? <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Lazer.php">Hank Lazer</a> and Marcella each speculate: it’s the postwar thing, bitter-sweet, looking simultaneously forward and back, done with it but still needing the balm. Okay, but why now, here — why in this poem? <br /><br />It’s a post-9/11 poem. <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Goldblatt.php">Eli Goldblatt</a> describes for us Bernstein’s initial written responses to 9/11, providing us a context for this poem's unstraightforward all-preamble going-nowhere-ness. <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/%7Eafilreis">Al</a> asserts the obvious: the poem enacts the restlessness the speaker feels: linguistically, tonally, idiomatically. The “no” of the fourth line is one of those staring-over words, as is, of course, “well” in line 8. The poem gives us an alternative “way” or path from the (non)start of its opening to the (non)finish of its ending. It is the opposite of an A to Z poem. There is not a single direction, not a point, and, needless to say — ah, but we at PoemTalk say it! — <em>that</em> is its point. <br /><br /> <img src="https://jacket2.org/system/files/images/Bernstein-Charles-The-Answer-2.gif" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 320px; height: 240px;" class="mceItem" border="0" />Where are we going? What is going to happen next? Is it narratively possible to discern (“Not long ago” is story-telling phrasing)? Ah, but “maybe I dreamt it / Or made it up, or have suddenly lost / Track of its train.” If you decide you need to go “In one direction” only, you'll find — note the contorted, merged idiomatic language — that “you’ll / Have to go on before the way back has / Become totally indivisible.’ The final word, the PoemTalkers agree, is a national word — a term from the pledge of allegiance to the United States of America, yet a notion that counters rather than abets the concept of discrete parts, clear paths, moving along the road from regress to progress.</p> <p><strong>In a Restless World Like This Is</strong><br /><br />Not long ago, or maybe I dreamt it<br />Or made it up, or have suddenly lost<br />Track of its train in the hocus pocus<br />Of the dissolving days; no, if I bend<br />The turn around the corner, come at it<br />From all three sides at once, or bounce the ball<br />Against all manner of bleary-eyed fortune<br />Tellers--well, you can see for yourselves there's<br />Nothing up my sleeves, or notice even<br />Rocks occasionally break if enough<br />Pressure is applied. As far as you go<br />In one direction, all the further you'll<br />Have to go on before the way back has<br />Become totally indivisible.<img src="https://jacket2.org/sites/all/modules/wysiwyg/plugins/break/images/spacer.gif" alt="<--break- />" title="<--break-->" class="mceItem"><br /><br /> Our <a href="http://mediamogul.seas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Bernstein/9-25-03_UPenn/Bernstein-Charles_07_In-a-Restless-World_9-25-03_Penn.mp3">recording of the poem</a> was made during a moving <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Bernstein-2003.html">outdoor reading</a> in September 2003 at the Kelly Writers House. It and all PoemTalk poems are available through PennSound.<br /><br /> We note that the phrase “World on Fire” is also taken from a popular song — of 1941. Here’s <a href="http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/books/girly-man/fire-sheet-music.html">more</a>.<br /><br /> As always, at the end, we gather some paradise. Marcella’s suggestion, which was omitted from the final edit, was one we are happy to pass along nonetheless: <a href="http://directory.calarts.edu/directory/tisa-bryant">Tisa Bryant</a>’s new book.<br /><br />We at PoemTalk are grateful as ever to <a href="http://jameslamarre.com/">James LaMarre</a> for his expert engineering and directing, and to <a href="https://jacket2.org/?q=content/stephen-mclaughlin">Steve McLaughlin</a>, our masterful sound editor.</p> <div class="field field-type-link field-field-podcast-link"> <div class="field-items"> <div class="field-item odd"> <a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-21-Bernstein-In_a_Restless_World.mp3">LISTEN TO THE SHOW</a> </div> </div> </div> <br /><div class="meta"><span class="submitted">August 24, 2009</span></div> </div> <ul class="links inline"><li class="addthis first last"><span> <a class="addthis-button" href="http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php" onfocus="return addthis_open(this, '', '[URL]', '[TITLE]')" onmouseover="return addthis_open(this, '', '[URL]', '[TITLE]')" onblur="addthis_close()" onmouseout="addthis_close()" onclick="return addthis_sendto()"><img src="http://s7.addthis.com/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="share" class="addthisimage" /></a><script type="text/javascript" src="https://secure.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script></span></li> </ul></div>  </div> </section> <aside id="secondary" class="column sidebar second"> <div class="region region-right"> <div id="block-views-podcasts_section_series-block_9" class="block block-views region-odd odd region-count-1 count-1"> <div class="content"> <div class="view view-podcasts-section-series view-id-podcasts_section_series view-display-id-block_9 view-dom-id-1 view-podcasts-section-series view-id-podcasts_section_series view-display-id-block_9 view-dom-id-1"> <div class="view-content"> <div class="views-row views-row-1 views-row-odd views-row-first views-row-last"> <div class="views-field-field-podcast-sidebar-value"> <div class="field-content"><p><strong>POEMTALK</strong> is a collaboration of the <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/wh">Kelly Writers House</a> and <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound">PennSound</a>. PoemTalk’s producer and host is <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/%7Eafilreis">Al Filreis</a>, our engineer is <img src="/sites/jacket2.org/files/commentary-images/Filreis%20on%20KWH%20porch.jpg" width="115" height="92" class="right" />Zach Carduner, and our editor is the same talented Zach Carduner (whose predecessors were Amaris Cuchanski, Allison Harris, and for most of the early episodes, Steve McLaughlin). PoemTalk is also available by subscription on many podcast platforms, including Spotify.<br /></p> <p><strong>INDEX OF EPISODES:</strong><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/broken-pieces-poemtalk-1"><br /></a><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-01-Williams-Between_Walls.mp3">PT#1</a>: William Carlos Williams between walls <a href="https://jacket2.org/poemtalk/no-place-little-lyric-poemtalk-2"><br /> </a><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-02-Rich-Wait.mp3">PT#2</a>: Adrienne Rich won’t wait <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-03-Oppen-Ballad.mp3">PT#3</a>: George Oppen’s ballad <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/bard-goes-country-poemtalk-4">PT#4</a>: Allen Ginsberg sings Blake <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/Pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-05-Berrigan-Three_Pages.mp3">PT#5</a>: Ted Berrigan’s “3 Pages” <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/hold-your-breath-and-gag-poemtalk-6">PT#6</a>: Jaap Blonk sound poem <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/now-time-poemtalk-7">PT#7</a>: Jerome Rothenberg’s paradise <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/grease-word-poemtalk-8">PT#8</a>: Rae Armantrout’s “The Way” <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/beginnings-concept-poemtalk-9">PT#9</a>: John Ashbery at a crossroads <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/portrait-whom-poemtalk-10">PT#10</a>: One of Gertrude Stein’s portraits <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/paddling-ladders-poemtalk-11">PT#11</a>: Erica Hunt’s “voice of no” <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/troubled-sleep-poemtalk-12">PT#12</a>: Ezra Pound’s America <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/can%E2%80%99t-stop-cars-poemtalk-13">PT#13</a>: Kathleen Fraser’s dangerous highway <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/it%E2%80%99s-new-reality-man-poemtalk-14">PT#14</a>: Wallace Stevens at the end <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/surpassing-things-weve-known-poemtalk-15">PT#15</a>: Lyn Hejinian’s change <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/because-i-am-always-talking-poemtalk-16">PT#16</a>: Creeley driving the car <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/Pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-17-Toscano-Poetics.mp3">PT#17</a>: Rodrigo Toscano’s political poetics <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/sort-person-you-imagine-poemtalk-18">PT#18</a>: Lydia Davis has a position <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/learn-language-poemtalk-19">PT#19</a>: Bob Perelman’s inner unruly child <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/choice-and-style-poemtalk-20">PT#20</a>: Amiri Baraka’s Kenyatta <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/totally-indivisible-poemtalk-21-0">PT#21</a>: Charles Bernstein’s restlessness <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/just-begun-learn-poemtalk-22">PT#22</a>: Louis Zukofsky begins anew <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/living-terror-poemtalk-23">PT#23</a>: Cid Corman really knew terror <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/air-roses-poemtalk-24">PT#24</a>: Barbara Guest, a poem about painting <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/democracy-10th-poemtalk-25">PT#25</a>: Alice Notley on the Lower East Side <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/noncanonical-congo-poemtalk-26">PT#26</a>: wild Vachel Lindsay <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/made-place-poemtalk-27">PT#27</a>: Robert Duncan opens the field <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/mad-cartographer-poemtalk-28">PT#28</a>: Jack Spicer to shrink: drop dead <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/Pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-29-Robinson-Return_on_Word.mp3">PT#29</a>: Kit Robinson ponders mad men <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/poem-remembering-me-poemtalk-30">PT#30</a>: the W. C. Williams we remember <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/outside-box-poemtalk-31">PT#31</a>: Robert Grenier’s box of poem-cards <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/art-and-power-poemtalk-32">PT#32</a>: Susan Howe’s Emily Dickinson <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/flarf-corrosive-poemtalk-33">PT#33</a>: flarfist Sharon Mesmer <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/back-geography-poemtalk-34">PT#34</a>: Charles Olson’s Maximus <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/trained-listener-poemtalk-35">PT#35</a>: Bruce Andrews at the center <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/writing-through-imagism-poemtalk-36">PT#36</a>: J. Scappettone writes through H.D. <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/finding-words-poemtalk-37">PT#37</a>: Jena Osman drops leaflets <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/web_root/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-38-Fischer_Id-Like-to-See-It.mp3">PT#38</a>: Norman Fischer would like to see it<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/after-night-years-poemtalk-39">PT#39</a>: Etheridge Knight and Gwendolyn Brooks<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/loss-reverse-poemtalk-40">PT#40</a>: Susan Schultz blogs dementia<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/ezra-venice-poemtalk-41">PT#41</a>: Ezra Pound in Venice<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/hole-torn-world-poemtalk-42">PT#42</a>: Nathaniel Tarn’s ecopoetics<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/wieners-night-poemtalk-43">PT#43</a>: John Weiners by night<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/other-side-tracks-poemtalk-44">PT#44</a>: Fred Wah’s race to go<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/poem-going-down-drain-poemtalk-45">PT#45</a>: Eileen Myles does what they teach<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/writing-through-ezra-poemtalk-46">PT#46</a>: Jackson Mac Low writes through Ezra<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/inalienable-writes-poemtalk-47">PT#47</a>: Rosmarie Waldrop’s America<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/ill-angelic-poetics-poemtalk-48">PT#48</a>: Edgar Allan Poe’s “Dream-Land”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/writing-slow-down-poemtalk-49">PT#49</a>: P. Inman advocates slow writing<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/state-error-poemtalk-50">PT#50</a>: Tom Raworth’s state of error<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-51-Dinh-Eating_Fried_Chicken.mp3">PT#51</a>: Linh Dinh on race, food, and war<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/where-real-exceeds-ideal-poemtalk-52">PT#52</a>: Cole Swensen on art and gardens<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/obscure-things-have-already-been-said-poemtalk-53">PT#53</a>: Joan Retallack’s homage to Cage<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/value-pronoun-poemtalk-54">PT#54</a>: Ron Silliman’s “You”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/find-missing-line-poemtalk-55">PT#55</a>: Jennifer Moxley’s line<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/without-house-and-ground-poemtalk-56">PT#56</a>: Charles Reznikoff’s Mishnaic poetics<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/cut-same-tongue-poemtalk-57">PT#57</a>: Djanikian and the alphabet of genocide<a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/tired-poor-huddled-gentrified-poemtalk-58"><br />PT#58:</a> Mayer’s Statue of Liberty<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/yankee-go-home-poemtalk-59">PT#59</a>: Blackburn on baseball and imperialism<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/whelm-lessons-poemtalk-60">PT#60</a>: The bebop verse of Clark Coolidge<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/i-cant-get-started-poemtalk-61">PT#61</a>: Bill Berkson’s signature song<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/space-only-you-can-build-poemtalk-62">PT#62</a>: Charles Alexander’s post-9/11 poem<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/daytime-never-ends-poemtalk-63">PT#63</a>: Laynie Browne’s daily sonnets<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/straight-path-gone-astray-poemtalk-64">PT#64</a>: Bergvall chants Dante translations<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/day-pours-out-space-poemtalk-65">PT#65</a>: Lisa Robertson on the weather<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/deep-hearts-core-sound-poemtalk-66">PT#66</a>: W. B. Yeats longs for Ireland<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/girl-head-mostly-eyes-poemtalk-67">PT#67</a>: Catherine Wagner’s fucking poem<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/perhaps-new-optimism-poemtalk-68">PT#68</a>: Ray DiPalma’s languagy optimism<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/fierce-storehouses-articulation-poemtalk-69">PT#69</a>: Rachel Blau DuPlessis’s <em>Drafts<br /></em><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/convergence-war-and-wedding-poemtalk-70">PT#70</a>: Laura Mullen on wars and weddings<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/constrained-honor-poemtalk-71">PT#71</a>: Claude McKay’s political sonnet<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/gone-word-word-poemtalk-72">PT#72</a>: Bob Cobbing sound poem <br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/it-over-already-poemtalk-73">PT#73</a>: Steve Benson improvises questions<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/word-poemtalk-74" target="_blank">PT#74</a>: Basil Bunting performs Whitman<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/strange-galvanics-poemtalk-75" target="_blank">PT#75</a>: Will Alexander’s galvanics<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/im-coming-poemtalk-76" target="_blank">PT#76</a>: Anne Waldman vs. Jesse Helms<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/my-other-country-poemtalk-77" target="_blank">PT#77</a>: Lorine Niedecker, home and country<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/how-can-they-write-and-believe-poemtalk-78" target="_blank">PT#78</a>: Muriel Rukeyser teaches in East Harlem<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/revolutionary-vibe-poemtalk-79" target="_blank">PT#79</a>: Joanne Kyger’s revolutionary notes<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/fail-better-and-revolt-poemtalk-80" target="_blank">PT#80</a>: Tom Leonard does Shelley in voices<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/deep-descent-poemtalk-81" target="_blank">PT#81</a>: Fanny Howe’s deep descent<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/remote-yet-present-poemtalk-82" target="_blank">PT#82</a>: Carl Rakosi and what makes the poetic “I”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/there-it-was-poemtalk-83" target="_blank">PT#83</a>: Wallace Stevens climbs a mountain poem<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/i-hieroglyph-poemtalk-84" target="_blank">PT#84</a>: H.D. rewrites the story of Helen<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/day-any-other-poemtalk-85" target="_blank">PT#85</a>: James Schuyler’s New York February<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/signature-public-poemtalk-86" target="_blank">PT#86</a>: Tyrone Williams’s eshuneutics<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/amplitude-and-awe-poemtalk-87" target="_blank">PT#87</a>: Emily Dickinson reckons requirements<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/me-no-one-will-take-poemtalk-88" target="_blank">PT#88</a>: Kathy Acker’s punk translations<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/requiem-so-sweet-we-forgot-what-it-lamented-poemtalk-89" target="_blank">PT#89</a>: Nathaniel Mackey on survival<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/fuck-you-bow-poemtalk-90" target="_blank">PT#90</a>: Gertrude Stein and her brother(s)<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/body-pain-poemtalk-91" target="_blank">PT#91</a>: Gil Ott and the invisible wound<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/abductee-theory-poemtalk-92" target="_blank">PT#92</a>: Bob Perelman’s confession<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dreams-not-spoiled-roaches-poemtalk-93" target="_blank">PT#93</a>: Helen Adam’s witchy ballad<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/no-spell-broken-poemtalk-94-0" target="_blank">PT#94</a>: CA Conrad’s somatic poetry<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/i-too-received-identity-poemtalk-95">PT#95</a>: Rob Fitterman’s “Sprawl”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/laurel-crown-poemtalk-96">PT#96</a>: Allen Grossman in the synagogue<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/articulate-beyond-walls-poemtalk-97">PT#97</a>: Larry Eigner’s unyielding rock<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/weakness-stalks-pride-poemtalk-98">PT#98</a>: James Weldon Johnson’s onward feet<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/unabettable-bleak-poemtalk-99">PT#99</a>: William Bronk, poet of bleakness<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/poemtalk-retrospective-poemtalk-100">PT#100</a>: A PoemTalk retrospective<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/what-geometry-poemtalk-101">PT#101</a>: Ed Dorn’s ’60s political synthesis<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/minds-not-right-poemtalk-102" title="PoemTalk 102">PT#102</a>: Robert Lowell in the off-season<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/swear-it-closed-poemtalk-103" title="PoemTalk 103">PT#103</a>: Simone White and the ferocity of dispersal<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/explode-small-change-poemtalk-104" title="PoemTalk 104">PT#104</a>: Akilah Oliver’s flesh memory<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/no-truths-self-evident-poemtalk-105" title="PoemTalk 105">PT#105</a>: Michael Magee walks Philadelphia<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dear-conflicted-reader-poemtalk-106" title="PoemTalk 106">PT#106</a>: C. D. Wright on mass incarceration<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/it-time-poemtalk-107" title="PoemTalk 107">PT#107</a>: Paul Celan declares that it’s time<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/too-beautiful-poemtalk-108" title="PoemTalk 108">PT#108</a>: Tracie Morris radicalizes the voice<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/i-mean-only-means-poemtalk-109" title="PoemTalk 109">PT#109</a>: Kate Colby’s long poem on meaning<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/rearrange-world-poemtalk-110">PT#110</a>: Philip Whalen in Bolinas<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/rise-and-live-poemtalk-111">PT#111</a>: Naomi Replansky’s metrical radicalism<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/listen-everything-you-love-disappear-poemtalk-112">PT#112</a>: Patrick Rosal’s “Instance of an Island”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/truth-flies-poemtalk-113">PT#113</a>: Robin Blaser’s “A Bird in the House”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dead-me-poemtalk-114">PT#114</a>: Claudia Rankine’s “Don’t Let Me Be Lonely”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/hands-reach-poemtalk-115">PT#115</a>: Lorenzo Thomas’s “An Arc Still Open”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/images-mon-ami-poemtalk-116">PT#116</a>: Ann Tardos’s “Uxudo”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dark-containers-poemtalk-117">PT#117</a>: Larissa Lai’s “Nascent Fashion”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/question-therefore-age-poemtalk-118">PT#118</a>: M. Nourbese Philip’s “Zong!”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/nothing-say-poemtalk-119">PT#119</a>: Fatemah Shams and the wars of Iran<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/world-without-sequence-poemtalk-120">PT#120</a>: Ann Lauterbach’s complex dream<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/corner-diaspora-poemtalk-121">PT#121</a>: Jerome Rothenberg sings <em>Poland/1931</em><br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/insurrection-value-poemtalk-122">PT#122</a>: Sean Bonney’s happiness (in London)<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/bugging-circles-poemtalk-123">PT#123</a>: A David Antin talk-poem about war<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/our-endless-ear-poemtalk-124">PT#124</a>: Jack Kerouac’s experimental poetry<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/fallout-cooling-poemtalk-125">PT#125</a>: Erica Baum’s ‘Dog Ear’<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/something-way-poemtalk-126">PT#126</a>: A live PoemTalk on Baraka<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/boring-different-way-poemtalk-127">PT#127</a>: Ashbery’s short answer<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/beautiful-tangents-poemtalk-128">PT#128</a>: Sueyeun Juliette Lee’s “perfect villagers” series<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/after-hell-poemtalk-129">PT#129</a>: Sylvia Plath’s “The Stones”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/not-detainable-poemtalk-130">PT#130</a>: Gwendolyn Brooks’s “Riot”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/filter-impose-trespass-poemtalk-131">PT#131</a>: Syd Zolf’s Markov Chain text<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/light-filtering-through-poemtalk-132">PT#132</a>: Maria Hindmarch on Vancouver’s poetry scene<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/flesh-ekes-ink-poemtalk-133">PT#133</a>: Divya Victor on Whitman’s colonial extraction<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/slowing-rate-perception-poemtalk-134">PT#134</a>: Berssenbrugge greets the roses<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/hadbeen-variety-poemtalk-135">PT#135</a>: Cage's writing through James Joyce<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/saw-lie-poemtalk-136">PT#136</a>: Nasser Hussain writes with airport codes<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/laying-poems-away-poemtalk-137">PT#137</a>: psychiatrists talk about Anne Sexton<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/written-water-poemtalk-138">PT#138</a>: Maggie Nelson’s “Bluets”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/worker-tanka-poemtalk-139">PT#139</a>: poems from the Worker Writers School<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/republic-space-poemtalk-140">PT#140</a>: Barbara Guest ascends the blue stairs<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/september-1941-poemtalk-141">PT#141</a>: Rosmarie Waldrop remembers Nazi Germany<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/these-squiggles-poemtalk-142">PT#142</a>: an early Charles Bernstein poem<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/beside-mind-poemtalk-143">PT#143</a>: Hannah Weiner’s “Clairvoyant Journal”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/mammal-patriot-poemtalk-144">PT#144</a>: Michael McClure’s “Ghost Tantras”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/knots-woman-poemtalk-145">PT #145</a>: Tonya Foster’s <em>A Swarm of Bees in High Court<br /></em><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/gaps-i-mean-poemtalk-146">PT #146</a>: Robert Frost’s “Mending Wall”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/begin-awaken-poemtalk-147">PT #147</a>: “By the road to the contagious hospital”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/word-me-poemtalk-148">PT #148</a>: Erica Hunt’s “Should You Find Me”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/find-me-rage-poemtalk-149">PT #149</a>: Kamau Brathwaite’s “Negus”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/ominous-pre-tingling-poemtalk-150">PT #150</a>: Two Terrance Hayes poems<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/thats-right-poemtalk-151">PT #151</a>: Two Eileen Myles poems<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/word-word-poemtalk-152">PT #152</a>: “The Poem That Took the Place of a Mountain”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/rousing-earth-excel-poemtalk-153">PT #153</a>: Daphne Marlatt’s “Arriving”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/promise-go-poemtalk-154">PT#154</a>: Liz Willis & her great flower<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/passion-shields-its-servants-poemtalk-155">PT#155</a>: Lorenzo Thomas on passion & race<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/damned-fruitflies-poemtalk-156">PT#156</a>: Steve Dalachinsky remembers Brooklyn<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/way-haunt-me-poemtalk-157">PT #157</a>: Kevin Killian’s “Is It All over My Face?”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/little-string-and-sharp-stone-pt-158">PT #158</a>: Bob Kaufman’s “Suicide”<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/adore-adore-poemtalk-159">PT #159</a>: bpNichol’s small songs<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/biologically-speaking-poemtalk-160">PT #160</a>: Sonnets from Edna St. Vincent Millay<br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/unwitting-monument-poemtalk-161">PT #161</a>: Sarah Dowling’s <em>Entering Sappho</em><br /><a href="http://jacket2.org/podcasts/my-rotting-place-poemtalk-162">PT #162</a>: Tuli Kupferberg’s verse<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/perilous-bodies-poemtalk-163">PT #163</a>: Daphne Marlatt, “Steveston, B.C.”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/words-label-space-poemtalk-164">PT #164</a>: Scalapino’s “‘Can’t’ is ‘Night’”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/punch-fascists-poemtalk-165">PT #165</a>: Punch fascists<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/coup-created-our-thoughts-poemtalk-166">PT #166</a>: Cecilia Vicuña in performance<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/must-it-ring-true-poemtalk-167">PT #167</a>: Myung Mi Kim’s “And Sing We”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/hot-and-cold-poemtalk-168">PT #168</a>: Jayne Cortez’s “She Got He Got”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/far-toward-far-end-poemtalk-169">PT #169</a>: George Quasha’s preverbs<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/better-lose-and-win-poemtalk-170">PT #170</a>: di Prima’s “Revolutionary Letters”<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/teach-us-love-poemtalk-171">PT #171</a>: Two poems from Eugene Ostashevsky<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/trance-language-poemtalk-172">PT #172</a>: Harryette Mullen & her dictionary<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/when-name-falls-face-poemtalk-173">PT #173</a>: Divya Victor on anti-Asian violence<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/girls-supply-chain-poemtalk-174">PT #174</a>: Sawako Nakayasu's girls on the run<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/composition-life-life-poemtalk-175">PT #175</a>: Joan Retallack's poethical wager<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/touch-love-then-explain-poemtalk-176">PT #176</a>: cruising John Ashbery's early poem<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/paw-mouthings-poemtalk-177">PT #177</a>: Maggie O'Sullivan paw mouthings<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/downgraded-scribble-poemtalk-178">PT #178</a>: Matvei Yankelevich's "Dear Winter"<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/untranslatable-poemtalk-179">PT #179</a>: Armand Schwerner's tablet<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/nothing-made-ink-poemtalk-180">PT #180</a>: Lisa Fishman in Chicago<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/rhetorical-happenings-poemtalk-181">PT #181</a>: Hoa Nguyen's "Long Light"<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/woot-century-poemtalk-182">PT #182</a>: Doug Kearney's sounded art<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/present-plans-succeed-poemtalk-183">PT #183</a>: Dodie Bellamy's "Vomit Journal"<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/whole-world-smiles-poemtalk-184">PT #184</a>: John Giorno's sound art<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dont-refuse-breathe-poemtalk-185">PT #185</a>: Frank O'Hara's dirty songs<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/dots-move-out-poemtalk-186">PT #186</a>: Tina Darragh's wire boxes<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/bray-brassily-poemtalk-187">PT #187</a>: Mina Loy's love songs<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/goon-ictus-poemtalk-188">PT #188</a>: Ted Pearson's catenary odes<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/humming-vacancy-poemtalk-189">PT #189</a>: Gregory Corso in Europe<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/watches-dont-shoot-poemtalk-190">PT #190</a>: Aldon Nielsen's "Tray"<br /><a href="https://jacket2.org/podcasts/fracas-hinterlands-poemtalk-191">PT #191</a>: Kenward Elmslie sings<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-192_On-Dodsons-Sorrow-and-Finally-lady.mp3">PT #192</a>: Owen Dodson's "For Billie Holiday"<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-193_On-Ariana-Raines-To-the-Reader.mp3">PT #193</a>: Ariana Reines' "To the Reader"<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-194_On-Veronica-Forrest-Thomsons-SZ-and-Lemon-and-Rosemary.mp3">PT #194</a>: Veronica Forrest-Thomson's “S/Z”<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-195_On-Ron-Padgetts-The-Austrian-Maiden-and-Joe-Brainards-Painting-Bingo.mp3">PT #195</a>: Ron Padgett's “The Austrian Maiden” <br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-196_On-Hart-Cranes-The-Harbor-Dawn.mp3">PT #196</a>: Hart Crane’s “The Harbor Dawn”<br /><a href="https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-197_On-Marjorie-Welishs-Begetting-Textile.mp3">PT #197</a>: Marjorie Welish's “Begetting Textile”</p> <p><img src="https://jacket2.org/system/files/commentary-images/PoemTalk%20on%20Erica%20Hunt_0.jpg" alt="" title="PoemTalk on Erica Hunt" width="300" height="225" /><em>The recording of <a href="https://jacket2.org/poemtalk/paddling-ladders-poemtalk-11">PoemTalk #11</a> on Erica Hunt’s “The Voice of No.” Clockwise from left: Julia Bloch, our editor Steve McLaughlin, Elizabeth Willis, Al Filreis, and Jessica Lowenthal.</em><br /></p></div> </div> </div> </div> </div>  </div> </div>  </div>  <h2>Tags</h2><div class="view view-podcasts-section-series view-id-podcasts_section_series view-display-id-block_11 view-dom-id-3 view-podcasts-section-series view-id-podcasts_section_series view-display-id-block_11 view-dom-id-3"> <div class="view-content"> <div class="views-row views-row-1 views-row-odd views-row-first"> <div 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