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data-mw-thread-id="c-Resplendent-2007-12-27T20:55:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Resplendent-2007-12-27T20:55:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Resplendent-2008-01-17T06:27:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky"></span>Removed Big Sky, as it has ceased operations. --<a href="/wiki/User:Resplendent" title="User:Resplendent">Resplendent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Resplendent" title="User talk:Resplendent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Resplendent-2008-01-17T06:27:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Resplendent-2008-01-17T06:27:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Resplendent-2008-01-17T06:27:00.000Z-MAXjet,_Big_Sky"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="US_Airways_Shuttle" data-mw-thread-id="h-US_Airways_Shuttle-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-US_Airways_Shuttle-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"></span>US Airways Shuttle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-US_Airways_Shuttle-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: US Airways Shuttle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"></span>An IP editor (possibly Holding Company Guy) has added a section for defunct airlines within an airline. While he may be technically correct that US Airways Shuttle is no longer an airline within an airline but merely a marketing brand, I still feel it is misleading to list is there because US Airways Shuttle continues to exist. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MilborneOne-2009-01-27T21:17:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"></span>Dont think that a list of airlines is a place for any of the airline within airline marketing names. <a href="/wiki/User:MilborneOne" title="User:MilborneOne">MilborneOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MilborneOne" title="User talk:MilborneOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-MilborneOne-2009-01-27T21:17:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MilborneOne-2009-01-27T21:17:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MilborneOne-2009-01-27T21:17:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-27T19:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cliffb-2009-05-17T07:16:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"></span>Hey Hawaiian, I left you a note back at US Airways Shuttle. US Airways Shuttle was folded back into US Airways prior to its merger with America West and the US Airways group. I referenced this with a link. I did however leave your AWE ICAO code up there because it seems to be an issue for now. I think we could possily get rid of the airline box now because it is no longer an airline within an airline and might pose some confusion to people thinking it is. (Holding Company Guy!) 166.129.56.135 (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.129.165.114" title="Special:Contributions/166.129.165.114">166.129.165.114</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.129.165.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.129.165.114 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) </span> </p> <dl><dd>I removed it from the defunct list, as it is still a still flying. It actually fits the definition of an airline within an airline better now than it used to. Before it was folded back into US Airways it was an airline in its own right, now it is just a brand of US Airways, just like Metrojet was, and the other airlines within airlines were. I also removed Delta Shuttle for the same reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Cliffb" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cliffb">—Cliffb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cliffb" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Cliffb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Cliffb-2009-05-17T07:16:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cliffb-2009-05-17T07:16:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cliffb-2009-05-17T07:16:00.000Z-US_Airways_Shuttle"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scope_Creep" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scope_Creep-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scope_Creep-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"></span>Scope Creep<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scope_Creep-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Scope Creep"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z-Scope_Creep"></span>An IP editor has been expanding the scope of this template to include defunct regional airline brands (e.g. America West Express) and defunct airline-within-an-ailrine operations (e.g. Ted). I'm in concurrence with MilborneOne's comment above that this really isn't the place for these sub brands, but I'm okay with living the currently active ones on the list (e.g. Delta Connection) since to the public they appear to be "airlines" and are useful to assist with navigation. In particular I'm concerned with the growth of the defunct section as there are <i>lots</i> of defunct airlines and airline brands in the US, so I really think it needs to be limited to the most notable ones. An argument could be made that since they are no longer US airlines at all that they don't belong (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Airlines_of_the_United_Kingdom" title="Template:Airlines of the United Kingdom">Airlines of the United Kingdom</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> doesn't list any defunct airlines and simply provides a link to the category), but I don't really want to go there right now. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z-Scope_Creep" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z-Scope_Creep"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z-Scope_Creep"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsfullofstars-2009-12-17T19:50:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"></span>I removed some air cargo and charter lines from the Defunct section. One of them was <a href="/wiki/Primaris_Airlines" title="Primaris Airlines">Primaris Airlines</a>, which apparently had a fleet size of ONE aircraft. --<a href="/wiki/User:Itsfullofstars" title="User:Itsfullofstars">Itsfullofstars</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsfullofstars" title="User talk:Itsfullofstars">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Itsfullofstars-2009-12-17T19:50:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsfullofstars-2009-12-17T19:50:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsfullofstars-2009-12-17T19:50:00.000Z-Hawaiian717-2009-01-29T16:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="To_BIG?" data-mw-thread-id="h-To_BIG?-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z"><span id="To_BIG.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-To_BIG?-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z"></span>To BIG?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-To_BIG?-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: To BIG?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alan_Liefting-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z-To_BIG?"></span>This template is too BIG especially if you compare it to the size of the stub article at <a href="/w/index.php?title=AirStar_Executive_Airways&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="AirStar Executive Airways (page does not exist)">AirStar Executive Airways</a>. Perhaps it should be broken down into multiple templates. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Alan_Liefting" title="User:Alan Liefting">Alan Liefting</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alan_Liefting" title="User talk:Alan Liefting">talk</a>) - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Alan_Liefting-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z-To_BIG?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alan_Liefting-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z-To_BIG?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alan_Liefting-2009-10-24T21:08:00.000Z-To_BIG?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-24T01:51:00.000Z-To_BIG?"></span>Why compare templates... Alan. I am sure the list of Airlines of Zimbawe would be much smaller than a list of Airlines of China for example. Comprehensive and accurate is the vast goal of Wiki for most of us. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.187.47.69" title="Special:Contributions/166.187.47.69">166.187.47.69</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.187.47.69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.187.47.69 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-24T01:51:00.000Z-To_BIG?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-24T01:51:00.000Z-To_BIG?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-24T01:51:00.000Z-To_BIG?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Midwest_Airlines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Midwest_Airlines-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Midwest_Airlines-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Midwest Airlines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Midwest_Airlines-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Midwest Airlines"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-166.183.182.106-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z-Midwest_Airlines"></span>Republic Airways Holdings has given up its operating certificate, therefore it is no longer an airline. </p><p>Why is it still included within this list? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.183.182.106" title="Special:Contributions/166.183.182.106">166.183.182.106</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.183.182.106&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.183.182.106 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.183.182.106-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z-Midwest_Airlines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.183.182.106-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z-Midwest_Airlines"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-166.183.182.106-2009-11-25T12:45:00.000Z-Midwest_Airlines"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="USA3000" data-mw-thread-id="h-USA3000-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-USA3000-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z"></span>USA3000<span data-mw-comment-end="h-USA3000-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: USA3000"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.5.11.131-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z-USA3000"></span>With a fleet of five planes, and the fact that it does charter work, is it really a mainline carrier? I don't think so. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.5.11.131" title="Special:Contributions/174.5.11.131">174.5.11.131</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.5.11.131" title="User talk:174.5.11.131">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-174.5.11.131-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z-USA3000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.5.11.131-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z-USA3000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.5.11.131-2010-12-17T22:33:00.000Z-USA3000"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-23T23:57:00.000Z-USA3000"></span>5 airplanes.... yeah looks like 700 fleet airline major airline carriers get lumped in all the same.... did my part to try and correct this 174.5.11.131 <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.187.47.69" title="Special:Contributions/166.187.47.69">166.187.47.69</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.187.47.69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.187.47.69 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-23T23:57:00.000Z-USA3000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-23T23:57:00.000Z-USA3000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-166.187.47.69-2011-08-23T23:57:00.000Z-USA3000"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removal-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removal-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z"></span>Removal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removal-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Removal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mukkakukaku-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z-Removal"></span>I've just removed Isla Nena Air and Island Air Service as both just failed AFDs for non-notability. If they ever get notable enough to merit an article, I'm sure they can be added back. In the meantime: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Isla_Nena_Air" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isla Nena Air">Isla Nena AFD</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Island_Air_Service" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Island Air Service">Island Air Service AFD</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mukkakukaku" title="User:Mukkakukaku"><span style="color:#006600;"><b>M</b>û<b>ĸĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û<b>ĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û</span></a> <sub><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mukkakukaku" title="User talk:Mukkakukaku">blah?</a>)</small></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Mukkakukaku-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z-Removal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)</a>h<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mukkakukaku-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z-Removal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mukkakukaku-2011-02-17T19:03:00.000Z-Removal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Direct_Air" data-mw-thread-id="h-Direct_Air-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Direct_Air-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Direct Air<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Direct_Air-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Direct Air"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-166.187.106.55-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z-Direct_Air"></span>This is not an airline? They do not even have plans upon becoming an airline. Why include? Currently creditors are going after this business in relation to the failure of Pace Airlines which actually flew flights on behalf of Direct Air. </p><p>Aviation Advantage, d/b/a Southern Skyways d/b/a Myrtle Beach Direct Air, d/b/a Direct Air uses the aircraft of different Charter Airlines <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.187.106.55" title="Special:Contributions/166.187.106.55">166.187.106.55</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.187.106.55&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.187.106.55 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.187.106.55-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z-Direct_Air" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.187.106.55-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z-Direct_Air"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-166.187.106.55-2011-06-13T18:23:00.000Z-Direct_Air"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GoMokulele" data-mw-thread-id="h-GoMokulele-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GoMokulele-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=GoMokulele&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="GoMokulele (page does not exist)">GoMokulele</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-GoMokulele-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: GoMokulele"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>Does anyone happend to know the FAA DOT operating certificate number of these two airlines, or would we need to provide both to add to the info box? </p><p>Really cannot see it being justified on the list... have tried numerous times to correct error in WIKI but keep getting re-edited....by full time users of wiki like grupo - Milborne, - 717Hawaiian, - Vegaswikean.... finally looks like we were able to get Direct Air delisted, at least <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/32.177.31.50" title="Special:Contributions/32.177.31.50">32.177.31.50</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:32.177.31.50&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:32.177.31.50 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:45:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:51:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>Well, I decided to look at the editing history and low and behold I noticed whose baby <a href="/wiki/Go!_Mokulele" title="Go! Mokulele">go! Mokulele</a> is... perhaps that is why it is unjustifiably still on the list of Airlines.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/32.177.31.50" title="Special:Contributions/32.177.31.50">32.177.31.50</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:32.177.31.50&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:32.177.31.50 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:51:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:51:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-32.177.31.50-2011-09-13T15:51:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Cartel" title="Cartel"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T16:24:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>Cartel</a> </p> <dl><dd><b>If</b> consensus is to remove Direct Air from the list, then I would say that it is reasonable to also remove go! Mokulele. If we do that, then we need to add Mokulele Airlines. go! Mokulele is essentially joint branding and marketing for the operations in Hawaii of two separately owned, separately certificated airlines: Mesa Airlines (formerly dba in Hawaii as go!) and Mokulele Airlines. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T16:24:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T16:24:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T16:24:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>A <a href="/w/index.php?title=Go!mokulele&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Go!mokulele (page does not exist)">go!mokulele</a> joint venture <b>travel advertising marketing brand</b> is NOT an airline exactly as <a href="/wiki/Direct_Air" title="Direct Air">Direct Air</a> is NOT an airline. BOTH need removal. Wiki has some standard at to what it is NOT etc... personally though I do not care that much for eventually we will have some sort of place to place <b>marketing schemes confused as airlines</b> like MetroJet, Ted, go!, and go! Mokulele and such. <a href="/wiki/Corporate_transparency" title="Corporate transparency">corporate transparency</a>, is important to some of these companies, and some like to distort. Either way, if we have correct places to put the distorted or undistorted then headway will be made in terms of <a href="/wiki/Accuracy" class="mw-redirect" title="Accuracy">accuracy</a> which I am sure is a goal of wiki<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172" title="Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172">32.177.248.172</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:32.177.248.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:32.177.248.172 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T19:32:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure what the point of this rant is. You're agreeing with yourself above, and because you refuse to register an account and use a variety of dynamic IP addresses, you could possibly be accused of using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">sockpuppets</a> to create the appearance of consensus. You've been pushing this same agenda of exposing airline marketing brands for years now. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T19:32:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T19:32:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T19:32:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T19:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>NO AGENDA HERE, just get tired of explaning United Express is NOT an airline when asked. I might suggest returning to a <a href="/wiki/Drama" title="Drama">drama</a> free zone, as whoever happened to create the Wiki article <b>go! Mokulele</b> must feel slightly <a href="/wiki/Hoodwinked" class="mw-redirect" title="Hoodwinked">hoodwinked</a> my <a href="/wiki/Mesa_Air_Group" title="Mesa Air Group">Mesa Air Group</a> and <a href="/wiki/Mesa_Airlines" title="Mesa Airlines">Mesa Airlines</a>. </p><p>I forget, WIKI considers those registered as <b>better</b> than those not "registered." Excuse me for <a href="/wiki/Bleet" class="mw-redirect" title="Bleet">bleeting</a> like a sheep on that particular "rant." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172" title="Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172">32.177.248.172</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:32.177.248.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:32.177.248.172 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a> Guess I should have looked at editing history sooner in my wiki carreer! May have been insightful!<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T20:49:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z"></span>I started the articles <a href="/wiki/Go!" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Go!">go!</a> and <a href="/wiki/Mokulele_Airlines" title="Mokulele Airlines">Mokulele Airlines</a>, and help sort out how to handle <a href="/wiki/Go!_Mokulele" title="Go! Mokulele">go! Mokulele</a> when the joint venture was announced. I'm fully aware that go! is a dba of Mesa Airlines operating under Mesa's certificate, and I've heard Mesa's "Air Shuttle" callsign being used by go! flights in Hawaii on the radio (I was on a United Airlines jet offering Channel 9 at the time). I want to clarify that I'm not opposed to removing go! Mokulele from this template, but I want to be sure that there is consensus for the change to remove it and Direct Air, not just the persistent work of a single editor trying to remove them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T20:49:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T20:49:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2011-09-13T20:49:00.000Z-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T20:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T22:37:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span>Yes or two of the same registered betters users mimicking a third for that matter. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172" title="Special:Contributions/32.177.248.172">32.177.248.172</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:32.177.248.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:32.177.248.172 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T22:37:00.000Z-GoMokulele" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T22:37:00.000Z-GoMokulele"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-32.177.248.172-2011-09-13T22:37:00.000Z-GoMokulele"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z"><span id="Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_.22go.21.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z"></span>Mesa Air Group Mesa Airlines division "go!"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Mesa Air Group Mesa Airlines division "go!""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!""></span>Mesa Air Group and Mesa Airlines have decided to rename the internal business division of Mesa Airlines back to "go!" per published reports. Since go! is not an airline this needs to be addressed....... I however am not a registered user so I cannot remove go! Mokule from the list... maybe someone can remove this internal branding that is not an airline <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.129.156.109" title="Special:Contributions/166.129.156.109">166.129.156.109</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.129.156.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.129.156.109 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:37:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!""><span 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title="Air taxi">Commuter &</a> <br/> <a href="/wiki/Marketing" title="Marketing">Banner</a> <a href="/wiki/D/b/a" class="mw-redirect" title="D/b/a">Carriers</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> </div> <div style="float:left; width:50%;"> <p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Air_Florida_Commuter" title="Air Florida Commuter">Air Florida Commuter</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Allegheny_Commuter" class="mw-redirect" title="Allegheny Commuter">Allegheny Commuter (air branding)</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/American_Eagle_destinations" class="mw-redirect" title="American Eagle destinations">American Inter-Island</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Braniff_Express&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Braniff Express (page does not exist)">Braniff Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Continental_Express" title="Continental Express">Continental Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Metro_Airlines" title="Metro Airlines">Eastern Metro Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Frontier_JetExpress" class="mw-redirect" title="Frontier JetExpress">Frontier JetExpress (air branding)</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Emerald_Air_(USA)" class="mw-redirect" title="Emerald Air (USA)">Houston Proud Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Air_Midwest" title="Air Midwest">Mesa (air branding)</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Northwest_Airlink" title="Northwest Airlink">Northwest Airlink</a> </i> </p><p> • <a href="/wiki/Air_Atlanta" title="Air Atlanta">(PA)<small> <b>Air Atlanta</b> <br/> <i>the</i> </small></a> <a href="/wiki/Pan_Am_Express" title="Pan Am Express"><i>Pan Am Express</i></a> </p><p> • <a href="/wiki/Empire_Airlines_(1976-1985)" class="mw-redirect" title="Empire Airlines (1976-1985)">(PA) <small><b>Empire Airlines <br/></b><i>the</i></small></a> <a href="/wiki/Pan_Am_Express" title="Pan Am Express"><i>Pan Am Express</i></a> </p><p> • <a href="/wiki/Republic_Airlines_(1979-1986)" class="mw-redirect" title="Republic Airlines (1979-1986)">(PA) <small> <b>Republic Airlines</b><br/><i>the</i> </small> </a> <a href="/wiki/Pan_Am_Express" title="Pan Am Express"><i>Pan Am Express</i></a> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/PW_Express" class="mw-redirect" title="PW Express">PW Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Trans_World_Express" title="Trans World Express">TW Express (TWE)</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/USAir_Express" class="mw-redirect" title="USAir Express">USAir Express (air branding)</a></i> </p> </div> <div style="float:right; width:50%;"> <p> • <i><a href="/wiki/AirTran_JetConnect" title="AirTran JetConnect">AirTran JetConnect</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/American_Eagle_destinations" class="mw-redirect" title="American Eagle destinations">American Eagle</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/America_West_Express" title="America West Express">America West Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Continental_Connection" title="Continental Connection">Continental Connection</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Air_Midwest" title="Air Midwest">Eastern Air Midwest Express</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Frontier_Commuter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Frontier Commuter (page does not exist)">Frontier Commuter</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Hooters_Air" title="Hooters Air">Hooters Air</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Go!_Mokulele" title="Go! Mokulele">go! Mokulele</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Midway_Connection" class="mw-redirect" title="Midway Connection">Midway Connection</a> </i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Air_Midwest" title="Air Midwest">Ozark Midwest</a></i> </p><p> • <a href="/wiki/Emerald_Air_(USA)" class="mw-redirect" title="Emerald Air (USA)">(PA) <small><b>Emerald Air <br/></b> <i>the</i></small></a> <a href="/wiki/Pan_Am_Express" title="Pan Am Express"><i>Pan Am Express</i></a> </p><p> • <a href="/wiki/Ransome_Airlines" title="Ransome Airlines">(PA) <small><b>Ransome</b> <br/><i>the</i></small></a> <a href="/wiki/Pan_Am_Express" title="Pan Am Express"><i>Pan Am Express</i></a> </p><p> • <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Republic_Express_(air_branding)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Republic Express (air branding) (page does not exist)">Republic Express (air branding)</a></i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/Piedmont_Commuter" class="mw-redirect" title="Piedmont Commuter">Piedmont Commuter</a> </i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Reno_Air_Express&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Reno Air Express (page does not exist)">Reno Air Express</a> </i> </p><p> • <i><a href="/wiki/TWA_Connection" class="mw-redirect" title="TWA Connection">TWA Connection</a> </i> </p><p> • <i> <a href="/w/index.php?title=TranStar_Sky_Link&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="TranStar Sky Link (page does not exist)">TranStar Sky Link</a></i> </p> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div></div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2"><div>Marketing Brands (Mistaken as Certificated Air Carriers) of World and United States Air Transportation Firms <br/><a href="/wiki/Advertising" title="Advertising">Advertising</a> - <a href="/wiki/Marketing" title="Marketing">Marketing</a> - <a href="/wiki/Brand_Management" class="mw-redirect" title="Brand Management">Brand Management</a></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>Thus I have removed go! Mokulele to its appropriate place on this template. That others are welcome to improve upon so we may differentiate between certificated airlines and simple airline brand divisions and pseudo airlines. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.129.156.109" title="Special:Contributions/166.129.156.109">166.129.156.109</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.129.156.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:166.129.156.109 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)</a>‎</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z-Mesa_Air_Group_Mesa_Airlines_division_"go!""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawaiian717-2012-07-05T15:24:00.000Z-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z"></span>I see you're still on your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOAPBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOAPBOX">WP:SOAPBOX</a>... -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hawaiian717" title="User:Hawaiian717">Hawaiian717</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawaiian717" title="User talk:Hawaiian717">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Hawaiian717-2012-07-05T15:24:00.000Z-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawaiian717-2012-07-05T15:24:00.000Z-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawaiian717-2012-07-05T15:24:00.000Z-166.129.156.109-2012-07-04T20:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Corporate_Flight_Management" data-mw-thread-id="h-Corporate_Flight_Management-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Corporate_Flight_Management-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z"></span>Corporate Flight Management<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Corporate_Flight_Management-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Corporate Flight Management"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Corporate_Flight_Management" class="mw-redirect" title="Corporate Flight Management"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drdisque-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z-Corporate_Flight_Management"></span>Corporate Flight Management</a> has begun operating the <a href="/wiki/Essential_Air_Service" title="Essential Air Service">Essential Air Service</a> flights from MDW to Manistee, Michigan under the marketing carrier "Public Charters". They previously operated flights for <a href="/wiki/Branson_AirExpress" class="mw-redirect" title="Branson AirExpress">Branson AirExpress</a>. Does this make them a commuter carrier or are they still a charter carrier? Regardless they should be on the template for offering regular passenger service. -<a href="/wiki/User:Drdisque" title="User:Drdisque">Drdisque</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drdisque" title="User talk:Drdisque">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Drdisque-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z-Corporate_Flight_Management" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drdisque-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z-Corporate_Flight_Management"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drdisque-2013-01-05T03:45:00.000Z-Corporate_Flight_Management"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2014<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Remove <a href="/wiki/AirNow" title="AirNow">AirNow</a>; <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.benningtonbanner.com/ci_17477220">local news report shutdown</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.airnow.com">company website down long term</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.187.222.71" title="Special:Contributions/50.187.222.71">50.187.222.71</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:50.187.222.71&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:50.187.222.71 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_October_2014"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oknazevad-2014-10-13T23:47:00.000Z-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Thanks for pointing it out. <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">oknazevad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oknazevad" title="User talk:Oknazevad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Oknazevad-2014-10-13T23:47:00.000Z-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oknazevad-2014-10-13T23:47:00.000Z-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oknazevad-2014-10-13T23:47:00.000Z-50.187.222.71-2014-10-13T23:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chautauqua" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chautauqua-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chautauqua-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"></span>Chautauqua<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chautauqua-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Chautauqua"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z-Chautauqua"></span>gone? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.77.87.30" title="Special:Contributions/107.77.87.30">107.77.87.30</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:107.77.87.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:107.77.87.30 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z-Chautauqua" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z-Chautauqua"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z-Chautauqua"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oknazevad-2015-01-03T13:30:00.000Z-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"></span>Gone. And removed. Thanks for pointing it out. PS, new comments go on the bottom. <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">oknazevad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oknazevad" title="User talk:Oknazevad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Oknazevad-2015-01-03T13:30:00.000Z-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 3 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oknazevad-2015-01-03T13:30:00.000Z-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oknazevad-2015-01-03T13:30:00.000Z-107.77.87.30-2015-01-03T07:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Corvus_Airlines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Corvus_Airlines-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Corvus_Airlines-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Corvus Airlines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Corvus_Airlines-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Corvus Airlines"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-172.56.32.171-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z-Corvus_Airlines"></span>I cannot edit this but Ravn is actualy a brand like <a href="/wiki/American_Eagle" class="mw-disambig" title="American Eagle">American Eagle</a>, <a href="/wiki/Delta_Connection" title="Delta Connection">Delta Connection</a>, [[United Express]. </p><p>One may look at it similar to at Ravn and Ravn Connect much like <a href="/wiki/Continental_Express" title="Continental Express">Continental Express</a> and <a href="/wiki/Continental_Connection" title="Continental Connection">Continental Connection</a>. </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/Era_Aviation" title="Era Aviation">Corvus Airlines</a> <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.56.32.171" title="Special:Contributions/172.56.32.171">172.56.32.171</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:172.56.32.171&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:172.56.32.171 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 07:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.56.32.171" title="Special:Contributions/172.56.32.171">172.56.32.171</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:172.56.32.171&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:172.56.32.171 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-172.56.32.171-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z-Corvus_Airlines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-172.56.32.171-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z-Corvus_Airlines"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-172.56.32.171-2015-01-23T07:31:00.000Z-Corvus_Airlines"></span> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 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on 17 October 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_October_2015-2015-10-17T15:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-184.99.78.63-2015-10-17T15:45:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_October_2015"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Remove US Airways as it has recently fully merged with American Airlines. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.99.78.63" title="Special:Contributions/184.99.78.63">184.99.78.63</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:184.99.78.63" title="User talk:184.99.78.63">talk</a>) 15:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC) <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. Thanks for keeping an eye out. <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">oknazevad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oknazevad" title="User talk:Oknazevad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-184.99.78.63-2015-10-17T15:45:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_October_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-184.99.78.63-2015-10-17T15:45:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_October_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-184.99.78.63-2015-10-17T15:45:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_October_2015"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="National_Airlines?" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_Airlines?-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"><span id="National_Airlines.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-National_Airlines?-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span>National Airlines?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-National_Airlines?-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: National Airlines?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-National_Airlines?"></span>What is the criteria for inclusion in the "Mainline" section of the template? National Airlines seems to be far too small (in terms of fleet size and network) to qualify.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.105.150.226" title="Special:Contributions/24.105.150.226">24.105.150.226</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.105.150.226&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.105.150.226 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-National_Airlines?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-National_Airlines?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-National_Airlines?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span>The requirement is that you fly scheduled flights on your own part 121 certificate under your own brand with any "mainline" aircraft (such as any Boeing, Airbus, or McDonnell-Douglas aircraft). Size of the airline does not matter, because that would be a fairly arbitrary distinction and what would you call these, "small mainline airlines"? -<a href="/wiki/User:Drdisque" title="User:Drdisque">Drdisque</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drdisque" title="User talk:Drdisque">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z-24.105.150.226-2016-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avman89-2017-01-07T04:01:00.000Z-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z"></span>It doesn't appear that National Airlines flies any scheduled passenger service any more. I suggest removing it from the template.<a href="/wiki/User:Avman89" title="User:Avman89">Avman89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avman89" title="User talk:Avman89">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Avman89-2017-01-07T04:01:00.000Z-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avman89-2017-01-07T04:01:00.000Z-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avman89-2017-01-07T04:01:00.000Z-Drdisque-2016-05-03T20:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z"></span>Regional vs Commuter Airline<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Regional vs Commuter Airline"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avman89-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline"></span>What is the difference in this template between "regional" and "commuter" airlines? Most of the regional airlines listed operate as regional subsidiaries of mainline airlines (American Eagle, United Express, Delta Connection, etc), but not all: Silver Airways, Great Lakes Airlines, and Contour Airlines do not. The ones that don't often operate Essential Air Service routes, but so do the likes of Air Choice One and Boutique Air, which are listed as "commuter" airlines. </p><p>Aircraft size doesn't seem to be the distinction either; Cape Air (listed as regional) operates mostly nine-seater Cessna 402s, while Key Lime Air (listed as commuter) operate 30-seat Embraer and Fairchild jets. </p><p>Lastly, Wikipedia searches for "Commuter airline" redirects to the page for "Regional airline" suggesting they are interchangeable, or that commuter is a subset of regional. </p><p>Should the two sections in this template be merged into one?<a href="/wiki/User:Avman89" title="User:Avman89">Avman89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avman89" title="User talk:Avman89">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Avman89-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 28 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avman89-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avman89-2017-12-28T05:53:00.000Z-Regional_vs_Commuter_Airline"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Air_Taxi_Deficiency" data-mw-thread-id="h-Air_Taxi_Deficiency-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Air_Taxi_Deficiency-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Air Taxi Deficiency<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Air_Taxi_Deficiency-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Air Taxi Deficiency"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z-Air_Taxi_Deficiency"></span>It looks like <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">Oknazevad</a> removed "Commuter" from the joint title of the Air Taxi section on 18 February 2018. This is certainly linked with the earlier discussion of Regional vs Commuter airlines as the correct header for most of these carriers would be one of the two. Almost none of the listed operators offer on-demand flights as a substantial part of their business. Most are independent regional carriers not operating under the banner of a larger mainline carrier. Since virtually all of the carriers listed are commuter carriers, not air taxi services, something needs to change about the section. I suppose the question becomes whether and how to distinguish between regional airlines that operate in whole or in part under the banner of a larger mainline carrier and regional airlines which are independent. Commuter Airline is a rather dated term, but it could be useful in drawing this distinction. Regardless, the Air Taxi section needs to be re-worked. <a href="/wiki/User:Speaks3703" title="User:Speaks3703">Speaks3703</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Speaks3703" title="User talk:Speaks3703">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z-Air_Taxi_Deficiency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z-Air_Taxi_Deficiency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z-Air_Taxi_Deficiency"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I couldn't really think of better titles for the sections at the time, in part because the regulatory categories don't make a good distinction as far as I can see. I'd be open to any naming set up that makes sense to others. <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">oknazevad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oknazevad" title="User talk:Oknazevad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T23:43:00.000Z-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Regional_airline" title="Regional airline">Regional airline</a> page draws a distinction between affiliated and independent regional airlines. Perhaps we can have two sub-categories within the Regional section along those lines? I'm honestly not sure if the Air Taxi section is worth retaining once most of the operators are removed from it. Perhaps it should be combined with Charter?<a href="/wiki/User:Speaks3703" title="User:Speaks3703">Speaks3703</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Speaks3703" title="User talk:Speaks3703">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T23:43:00.000Z-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T23:43:00.000Z-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Speaks3703-2019-07-15T23:43:00.000Z-Oknazevad-2019-07-15T23:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Overuse" data-mw-thread-id="h-Overuse-20221119212700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Overuse-20221119212700"></span>Overuse<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Overuse-20221119212700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Overuse"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilCat-20221119212700-Overuse"></span>Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIDIRECTIONAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIDIRECTIONAL">WP:BIDIRECTIONAL</a>, navboxes should not be used on articles that are not linked in the navbox. I've already removed it from about 5 articles today, but I don't have the time to run down all the offending articles today. I'll try to get to it later next week, but I won't complain if someone else wants to help.out. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:BilCat" title="User:BilCat">BilCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilCat" title="User talk:BilCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-BilCat-20221119212700-Overuse" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilCat-20221119212700-Overuse"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilCat-20221119212700-Overuse"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?-20240120161900"><span id="How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?-20240120161900"></span>How large of an airline qualifies?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?-20240120161900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: How large of an airline qualifies?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Name_Omitted-20240120161900-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?"></span>I am working on the page for Aleutian Airways, which is a 4 aircraft 6 destination airline in Alaska. Another user put a link to this template on the page, and I am wondering if there is an agreed-upon minimum size for inclusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Name_Omitted" title="User:Name Omitted">Name Omitted</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Name_Omitted" title="User talk:Name Omitted">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Name_Omitted-20240120161900-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Name_Omitted-20240120161900-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Name_Omitted-20240120161900-How_large_of_an_airline_qualifies?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024-20240302013000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024-20240302013000"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024-20240302013000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Add Wheels Up to the charter airlines list. Wheels Up is the 4th largest charter operator in the US and is currently missing from this list. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0" title="Special:Contributions/2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0">2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_2_March_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jamedeus-20240302045900-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Jamedeus" title="User:Jamedeus">Jamedeus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamedeus" title="User talk:Jamedeus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Airlines_of_the_United_States#c-Jamedeus-20240302045900-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamedeus-20240302045900-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamedeus-20240302045900-2600:8800:1A80:F300:118F:80F0:6ADE:F1A0-20240302013000"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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