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comments</span> <ul id="toc-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Infobox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Infobox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Infobox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Infobox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Unsourced "Political spectrum" image should be removed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">13 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Campaign_Finance" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Campaign_Finance"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Campaign Finance</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Campaign_Finance-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Stein and Johnson Gain Access in Illinois</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Green_party" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Green_party"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Green party</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Green_party-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Clinton_home_state" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Clinton_home_state"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Clinton home state</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Clinton_home_state-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Green_Party_Georgia_Access" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Green_Party_Georgia_Access"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Green Party Georgia Access</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Green_Party_Georgia_Access-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Other parties which could achieve ballot access to 270 electoral votes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-VP_speculation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#VP_speculation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>VP speculation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-VP_speculation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Order "Other third parties and independents" by electoral college access</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Bernie Sanders did not suspended his campaign</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Nominee or still presumptive nominee?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-48th" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#48th"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>48th</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-48th-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Clinton's_running_mate_selection" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Clinton's_running_mate_selection"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Clinton's running mate selection</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Clinton's_running_mate_selection-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Trump_image_(again)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Trump_image_(again)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Trump image (again)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Trump_image_(again)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Proposal to change image for Gary Johnson</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Trump_Picture" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Trump_Picture"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Trump Picture</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Trump_Picture-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Running_mate_format" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Running_mate_format"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Running mate format</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Running_mate_format-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Greens_in_Infobox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Greens_in_Infobox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Greens in Infobox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Greens_in_Infobox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:1RR_violations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:1RR_violations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>WP:1RR violations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WP:1RR_violations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Johnson/Weld have ballot access in all 50 states plus DC</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Constitution Party Candidate in infobox question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Clinton_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Clinton_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Clinton image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Clinton_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Controversies_section?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Controversies_section?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Controversies section?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Controversies_section?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Finalization" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Finalization"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Finalization</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Finalization-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ballot_Access" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ballot_Access"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Ballot Access</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ballot_Access-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ballot_Access_Table" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ballot_Access_Table"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Ballot Access Table</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Ballot_Access_Table-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Ballot Access Table subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Ballot_Access_Table-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Ballot_access_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ballot_access_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38.1</span> <span>Ballot access</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Ballot_access_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Libertarian Ballot Access Map</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Incumbents" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Incumbents"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Incumbents</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Incumbents-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Biased Image Result on Google Search</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Trump_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Trump_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Trump image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">31 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Trump_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rocky_De_La_Fuente" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rocky_De_La_Fuente"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Rocky De La Fuente</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rocky_De_La_Fuente-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-sublist" 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States presidential election/Archive 15">Archive 15</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z-Proposal"></span>Should Gary Johnson and Jill Stein be included in the infobox in each state's article for the 2016 election? <a href="/wiki/User:Ghoul_flesh" title="User:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:red"><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><i><b>Ghoul flesh</b></i></span></span></a> <span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z-Proposal"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z-Proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-23T23:10:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Yes, if they had ballot access. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-23T23:10:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-23T23:10:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-23T23:10:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z"></span>RfC discussion on what image to use in sidebars<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars"></span>An RfC on what image to use in navigation templates regarding Clintion and Sanders is going on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Photography#Request_for_comment:_Which_of_the_two_following_two_photos_would_be_best_to_use_as_a_portrait?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Photography">here</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T00:34:00.000Z-RfC_discussion_on_what_image_to_use_in_sidebars"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Two brand new Donald Trump photos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti">.mw-parser-output .tmulti .multiimageinner{display:flex;flex-direction:column}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .trow{display:flex;flex-direction:row;clear:left;flex-wrap:wrap;width:100%;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .tsingle{margin:1px;float:left}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .theader{clear:both;font-weight:bold;text-align:center;align-self:center;background-color:transparent;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .thumbcaption{background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .text-align-left{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .text-align-right{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .text-align-center{text-align:center}@media all and (max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .tmulti .thumbinner{width:100%!important;box-sizing:border-box;max-width:none!important;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .trow{justify-content:center}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .tsingle{float:none!important;max-width:100%!important;box-sizing:border-box;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .tsingle .thumbcaption{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .tmulti .trow>.thumbcaption{text-align:center}}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmulti .multiimageinner img{background-color:white}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmulti .multiimageinner img{background-color:white}}</style><div class="thumb tmulti tright"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:328px;max-width:328px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:162px;max-width:162px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Photo #1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg/160px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg" decoding="async" width="160" height="237" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg/240px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg/320px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg 2x" data-file-width="838" data-file-height="1242"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:162px;max-width:162px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Photo #2" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg/160px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg" decoding="async" width="160" height="213" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg/240px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg/320px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1188" data-file-height="1585"/></a></span></div></div></div><div class="trow" style="display:flex"><div class="thumbcaption">Photo #1 (left) and Photo #2 (right)</div></div></div></div> <p>I just got back from a rally for Trump, took these photos a couple hours ago. Given they are recent and have a smile, I suggest changing the main photo. Although the microphone is in the photo, I highly doubt you will find any future event where the microphone isn't near his face, as that is how his podium is almost always set up. Personally I prefer #1. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span>I prefer the one we have. Both are too squinty and could present a problem with NPOV. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Side note. I will have a wide selection of photos up later from the same rally. Surely one can be good enough to replace the current 'puzzled' look photo. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Can't see his eyes in these photos. I say stick with status quo. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Concrete_Cloverleaf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Concrete Cloverleaf (page does not exist)">Concrete Cloverleaf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Concrete_Cloverleaf" title="User talk:Concrete Cloverleaf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span>Here's about 75 photos from today, if you want to see if one would be suitable. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/albums/72157669951315605">Link</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TL565-2016-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z"></span>None of them are good. All the photos have the mic blocking his face and ones which he is smiling, you can't see his eyes. <a href="/wiki/User:TL565" title="User:TL565">TL565</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TL565" title="User talk:TL565">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TL565-2016-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TL565-2016-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TL565-2016-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T06:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-19T19:12:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span>His eyes and facial expression are unnatural, plus there is a large microphone disturbing the view. I support the current photo or any photo of him making a natural face and no microphone. I should also note that for those who want a picture of him smiling or making a smile-like face, you may also want to consider these photos (perhaps one of those could be cropped): --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-19T19:12:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-19T19:12:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-19T19:12:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T19:36:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg/120px-Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg/180px-Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg/240px-Donald_Trump_speaking_at_Iowa_State_University.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2500" data-file-height="1663"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; 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height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg/120px-Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg/180px-Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg/240px-Donald_Trump_in_April_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5760" data-file-height="3840"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg/93px-Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="93" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg/139px-Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg/186px-Donald_Trump_Marines_April_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="428" data-file-height="552"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th,_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry,_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg/80px-Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg/120px-Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg/160px-Mr_Donald_Trump_New_Hampshire_Town_Hall_on_August_19th%2C_2015_at_Pinkerton_Academy_in_Derry%2C_NH_by_Michael_Vadon_11.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5792" data-file-height="8688"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/81px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="81" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/122px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/162px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="645" data-file-height="954"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> </ul> <dl><dd>None of those are better than the current. <a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_cropped.jpeg" title="File:Donald Trump cropped.jpeg">This</a> is better but it's from 2011.--<a href="/wiki/User:William_S._Saturn" title="User:William S. Saturn">William S. Saturn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_S._Saturn" title="User talk:William S. Saturn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T19:36:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T19:36:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T19:36:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span>In order for a real NPOV of images, Trump also has to be smiling, it's currently blatant anti-Trump bias with only Clinton smiling. <a href="/wiki/User:ShadowDragon343" title="User:ShadowDragon343">ShadowDragon343</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShadowDragon343" title="User talk:ShadowDragon343">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-19T01:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ShadowDragon343" title="User:ShadowDragon343">ShadowDragon343</a>:</span> If you can find a picture that the community can agree on and is free use please present it. Calling it blatant anti-Trump bias is nonsense as the same can be turned right around. It could be said that it is blatant anti-Clinton bias since her photo is the only one that is not head-on. Don't call something bias without presenting alternatives to attempt to eliminate said bias. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T20:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T21:59:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z"></span>The 2012 election page has Romney not facing at the camera but still smiling, same with Kerry in 2004. You have to go back to 1988 to see a main general election candidate not smiling and that's because there are no pictures of Dukakis smiling in Commons. A better picture can also be used for Johnson that is not of him mid sentence in a speech. Your argument for Clinton's not being head on could apply to Trump as well as is not head on either as clearly he is leaning over the podium.<a href="/wiki/User:ShadowDragon343" title="User:ShadowDragon343">ShadowDragon343</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShadowDragon343" title="User talk:ShadowDragon343">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T21:59:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T21:59:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-19T21:59:00.000Z-Majora-2016-06-19T21:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T23:06:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span>For the top two, the subjects should be facing forward. Personally, I favor these images:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti"><div class="thumb tmulti tleft"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:421px;max-width:421px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:215px;max-width:215px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/213px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="213" height="236" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/320px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/426px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1644" data-file-height="1824"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_(5440393641)_closeup.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg/200px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="237" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg/300px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg/400px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_closeup.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1111" data-file-height="1315"/></a></span></div></div></div></div></div><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:William_S._Saturn" title="User:William S. Saturn">William S. Saturn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_S._Saturn" title="User talk:William S. Saturn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T23:06:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T23:06:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-06-19T23:06:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span> </p><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span>In case you were wondering, here are my two favorite images. I like how both candidates are looking natural.</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti"><div class="thumb tmulti tleft"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:408px;max-width:408px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/200px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/300px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/400px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1419" data-file-height="2128"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg/200px-Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg/300px-Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg/400px-Donald_Trump_Signs_The_Pledge_11_crop.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2514" data-file-height="3767"/></a></span></div></div></div></div></div><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span> </p><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:15:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z"></span>Hmmm, maybe. I'd still like one where Trump's face is turned more towards the camera. What about this combo? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Concrete_Cloverleaf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Concrete Cloverleaf (page does not exist)">Concrete Cloverleaf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Concrete_Cloverleaf" title="User talk:Concrete Cloverleaf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:15:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:15:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:15:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T01:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:18:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti"><div class="thumb tmulti tleft"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:408px;max-width:408px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/200px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/300px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg/400px-Hillary_Clinton_AIPAC_2016_Speech_2_by_3_crop.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1419" data-file-height="2128"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/200px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="296" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/300px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg/400px-Donald_Trump_April_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="645" data-file-height="954"/></a></span></div></div></div></div></div> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd>I would note, though, that I don't personally have any objection to the photos currently used. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Concrete_Cloverleaf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Concrete Cloverleaf (page does not exist)">Concrete Cloverleaf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Concrete_Cloverleaf" title="User talk:Concrete Cloverleaf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:18:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:18:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Concrete_Cloverleaf-2016-06-20T01:18:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span>I like the new proposed images, instead of the current. <a href="/wiki/User:CCamp2013" title="User:CCamp2013">Chase</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CCamp2013" title="User talk:CCamp2013">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-20T09:14:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z"></span>The Trump photo looks great! The Clinton one however she isn't facing the screen (and looking off to the side at something like the current Trump one) and due to being not as zoomed creates an uneven appearence between the two.<a href="/wiki/User:ShadowDragon343" title="User:ShadowDragon343">ShadowDragon343</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShadowDragon343" title="User talk:ShadowDragon343">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-20T09:14:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-20T09:14:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-06-20T09:14:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-06-20T01:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti"><div class="thumb tmulti tleft"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:408px;max-width:408px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/200px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="297" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/300px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/400px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1392" data-file-height="2064"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:202px;max-width:202px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Trump_in_Phoenix_2016.png" class="new" title="File:Trump in Phoenix 2016.png"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="200">File:Trump in Phoenix 2016.png</span></a></span></div></div></div></div></div> <p>I believe this side by side to be the best. Both parties are smiling so it's fair and more neutral, and you wouldn't have to change Secretary Clinton's photograph. --<a href="/wiki/User:ThiefOfBagdad" title="User:ThiefOfBagdad">ThiefOfBagdad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThiefOfBagdad" title="User talk:ThiefOfBagdad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Trump_in_Phoenix_2016.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Trump in Phoenix 2016.png (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z"></span>This photo of Donald Trump</a> makes it look like he has two right ears and makes his head look noticeably wider than average. Unacceptable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-20T19:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span>An edited version without the microphone is available <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TL565-2016-06-21T10:55:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span>There should never be any photoshopped images even to remove the mic. We should always use authentic images. Cropping the picture is ok but anything more than that is unacceptable. <a href="/wiki/User:TL565" title="User:TL565">TL565</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TL565" title="User talk:TL565">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TL565-2016-06-21T10:55:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TL565-2016-06-21T10:55:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TL565-2016-06-21T10:55:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Third_parties_smiling" data-mw-thread-id="h-Third_parties_smiling-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Third_parties_smiling-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"></span>Third parties smiling<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Third_parties_smiling-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z-Third_parties_smiling"></span>For those who think we need photos of candidates smiling in the Infobox, perhaps these could be cropped and the Gary Johnson photo be lightened.--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z-Third_parties_smiling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z-Third_parties_smiling"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z-Third_parties_smiling"></span> </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jill_Stein_(25740592525).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg/120px-Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg/180px-Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg/240px-Jill_Stein_%2825740592525%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5616" data-file-height="3744"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_(6287553245).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="A photo of Gary Johnson, which needs to be brightened."><img alt="A photo of Gary Johnson, which needs to be brightened." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg/120px-Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg/180px-Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg/240px-Gary_Johnson_with_supporter_%286287553245%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4752" data-file-height="3168"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">A photo of Gary Johnson, which needs to be brightened.</div> </li> </ul> <dl><dd>Jill Stein looks scared in that photo, I wouldn't exactly call it smiling, the current photo is much better. I don't think you'll be able to lighten the Gary Johnson photo without some serious editing that would be unacceptable. The person he's standing with would also end up with most of their shoulder in the photo which would look rather strange. <a href="/wiki/User:Ebonelm" title="User:Ebonelm">Ebonelm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ebonelm" title="User talk:Ebonelm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T02:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-24T16:07:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z"></span>That picture of Johnson is scary as hell. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghoul_flesh" title="User:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:red"><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><i><b>Ghoul flesh</b></i></span></span></a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jack-o-lantern.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/20px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="14" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/30px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/40px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1052" data-file-height="753"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghoul_flesh" title="User talk:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:#32CD32"><i>talk</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-24T16:07:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-24T16:07:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-24T16:07:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"></span>Infobox with Trump smiling photo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo-Two_brand_new_Donald_Trump_photos-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output 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class="infobox-header"><hr/>All 538 members of the <a href="/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)" class="mw-redirect" title="Electoral College (United States)">Electoral College</a><br/>270 electoral votes needed to win</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"> <table style="background:transparent; color: inherit; width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #3333FF;"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/135px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="135" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/202px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, 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href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)">Republican</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="text-align:left">Home state </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/New_York_(state)" title="New York (state)">New York</a> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/New_York_(state)" title="New York (state)">New York</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="text-align:left">Running mate </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection, 2016">TBD</a> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Republican Party vice presidential candidate selection, 2016">TBD</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="4"><hr/> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #FED105;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/133px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="133" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/266px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="877" data-file-height="1317"/></a></span> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #17aa5c;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/134px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" decoding="async" width="134" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/201px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/267px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2408" data-file-height="3600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Nominee </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Gary_Johnson" title="Gary Johnson">Gary Johnson</a> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Jill_Stein" title="Jill Stein">Jill Stein</a> <br/> <i>(presumptive)</i> </td> <td style="text-align:center"> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Party </th> <td 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United States presidential election in Vermont"/><area href="/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Hampshire" shape="rect" coords="273,14,296,20" alt="2016 United States presidential election in New Hampshire" title="2016 United States presidential election in New Hampshire"/></map><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div>The electoral map for the 2016 election, based on populations from the <a href="/wiki/2010_United_States_Census" class="mw-redirect" title="2010 United States Census">2010 census</a></div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><hr/> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="background:transparent; color: inherit; width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width:50%; text-align:left;"><b>Incumbent President</b><br/> <p><a href="/wiki/Barack_Obama" title="Barack Obama">Barack Obama</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic</a> </p> </td> <td style="width:50%; text-align:right;"><br/> <p><br/> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This to me looks like a good photo that also compliments the Hillary Clinton photo. I don't think his eyes are too squinty, that is the way he smiles, and his eyes look that way most of the time that he is smiling, which looks perfectly fine to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z-Infobox_with_Trump_smiling_photo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"></span>He is making the weakest of smilies and it almost looks like he's about to laugh. People who look this up on Wikipedia will not get the impression he is smiling. They might think he is grinning or trying not to laugh at at joke. Also, his eyes are not usually <i>that</i> squint while smiling. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with both of your points. How is a smile that goes nearly ear to ear, not literally of course, the weakest of smiles? Also, I looked at several other smiling photos that are not freely available, many of them had the same kind of eyes. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:52:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z"></span>Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with what people may think of a photo. The current photo makes me think he is trying to listen to a song being played and is about to guess what song it is. What difference does this make? It definitely does not violate NPOV. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:52:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:52:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:52:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-06-21T11:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span>It's a nice photo but certainly not a better one than is currently being used. <a href="/wiki/User:Ebonelm" title="User:Ebonelm">Ebonelm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ebonelm" title="User talk:Ebonelm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-21T11:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Given the points constantly being made every time the current photo is debated to be changed, I do think it is better. If anything the more wide eyes in the current photo aren't necessarilly an accurate portrayal, as most of the time he does at least slightly squint, in interviews and even posed shots. <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-06-21T20:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paragraphs_gone?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paragraphs_gone?-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"><span id="Paragraphs_gone.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paragraphs_gone?-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"></span>Paragraphs gone?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paragraphs_gone?-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z-Paragraphs_gone?"></span>Why did someone make each section one long paragraph? No indentations or separations between writings at all. This makes this article very hard to read. Can someone fix it? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931" title="Special:Contributions/2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931">2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z-Paragraphs_gone?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z-Paragraphs_gone?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z-Paragraphs_gone?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Politrukki-2016-06-25T16:56:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. Thanks for pointing that out. Paragraph breaks were removed in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/726803313" title="Special:Diff/726803313">this diff</a> by an IP user. I was going to partially revert this edit anyway, but didn't notice that paragraph breaks were removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Politrukki" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Politrukki">Politrukki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Politrukki" title="User talk:Politrukki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Politrukki-2016-06-25T16:56:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Politrukki-2016-06-25T16:56:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Politrukki-2016-06-25T16:56:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:C4FC:FDA1:304F:1931-2016-06-25T14:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="HRC_portrait" data-mw-thread-id="h-HRC_portrait-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-HRC_portrait-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z"></span>HRC portrait<span data-mw-comment-end="h-HRC_portrait-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sleepingstar-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span>There appears to be considerable discussion regarding the Trump photographs. On another topic, was wanting to gauge what everyone was thinking regarding the HRC portraits? They're now both in 3:2 dimension sizes, and the face/ photograph proportions are similar, as well as to that of Johnson and Stein's current portraits. I think looking at them both in 3:2 ratio, I'm starting to prefer <b>photo #2</b> now... <a href="/wiki/User:Sleepingstar" title="User:Sleepingstar">Sleepingstar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sleepingstar" title="User talk:Sleepingstar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Sleepingstar-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z-HRC_portrait" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sleepingstar-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sleepingstar-2016-06-22T08:15:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237032888/mw-parser-output/.tmulti"><div class="thumb tmulti tleft"><div class="thumbinner multiimageinner" style="width:328px;max-width:328px"><div class="trow"><div class="tsingle" style="width:162px;max-width:162px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Photo #1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/160px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="160" height="237" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/240px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/320px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1392" data-file-height="2064"/></a></span></div></div><div class="tsingle" style="width:162px;max-width:162px"><div class="thumbimage"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Photo #2" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/160px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="160" height="227" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/240px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/320px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1644" data-file-height="2331"/></a></span></div></div></div><div class="trow" style="display:flex"><div class="thumbcaption">Do you prefer Photo #1 (left) or Photo #2 (right)?</div></div></div></div> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd>I still prefer the first one a lot better. She looks a bit flustered in the second one. Frankly, I'm grateful Clinton has a lot of good pictures on here, unlike another candidate. --<a href="/wiki/User:ThiefOfBagdad" title="User:ThiefOfBagdad">ThiefOfBagdad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThiefOfBagdad" title="User talk:ThiefOfBagdad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z-HRC_portrait" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z-HRC_portrait"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yeah_93-2016-06-22T10:53:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span>I prefer #1. The second one looks like she was caught off guard. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yeah_93" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yeah 93">yeah_93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yeah_93" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yeah 93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Yeah_93-2016-06-22T10:53:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yeah_93-2016-06-22T10:53:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yeah_93-2016-06-22T10:53:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span>HRC's head looks rather large and bloated next to Trump's head (as big as <i>it</i> is), and I'm sure that's not the case in real life. Maybe a resize is in order? <a href="/wiki/User:Blue_Eyes_Cryin" title="User:Blue Eyes Cryin">Blue Eyes Cryin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Eyes_Cryin" title="User talk:Blue Eyes Cryin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z-ThiefOfBagdad-2016-06-22T09:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_19,_2015_rotated.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg/220px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="330" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg/330px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg/440px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_rotated.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3000" data-file-height="4500"/></a><figcaption>How about we change Trump's photo to this? Then HRC's head wouldn't seem so bloated.</figcaption></figure> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div>--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 24 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-24T04:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-26T01:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z"></span>Looks good to me! <a href="/wiki/User:Blue_Eyes_Cryin" title="User:Blue Eyes Cryin">Blue Eyes Cryin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Eyes_Cryin" title="User talk:Blue Eyes Cryin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-26T01:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-26T01:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blue_Eyes_Cryin-2016-06-26T01:55:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-24T23:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 23 June 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The Libertarian Party now has access to 338 electoral votes, they just gained access in South Dakota. Please change this in the Libertarian Party section. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Ghoul_flesh" title="User:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:red"><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><i><b>Ghoul flesh</b></i></span></span></a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jack-o-lantern.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/20px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="14" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/30px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/40px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1052" data-file-height="753"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghoul_flesh" title="User talk:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:#32CD32"><i>talk</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-2016-06-23T22:18:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span> This page is not protected and can be edited directly. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Xaosflux-2016-06-23T22:18:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-2016-06-23T22:18:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-2016-06-23T22:18:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-06-23T19:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70-2016-06-26T06:34:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span>It is protected tho... <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70">2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70-2016-06-26T06:34:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70-2016-06-26T06:34:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:150D:61BC:FC2B:EE70-2016-06-26T06:34:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_23_June_2016"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z-Infobox"></span>The infobox currently lists President Obama as the incumbent, rather than president before election (as per the 2008 election page). Since the election is still months away I think "Outgoing President" would suffice until November. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.68.112.173" title="Special:Contributions/192.68.112.173">192.68.112.173</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.68.112.173" title="User talk:192.68.112.173">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z-Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z-Infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z-Infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Objective3000-2016-06-26T10:57:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Seems to me that the President is the President until he isn't. <a href="/wiki/User:Objective3000" title="User:Objective3000">Objective3000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Objective3000" title="User talk:Objective3000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Objective3000-2016-06-26T10:57:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Objective3000-2016-06-26T10:57:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Objective3000-2016-06-26T10:57:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span>I agree with you there, but he won't be an incumbent president like in 2012. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.68.112.173" title="Special:Contributions/192.68.112.173">192.68.112.173</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.68.112.173" title="User talk:192.68.112.173">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abjiklam-2016-06-26T23:09:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z"></span>When the election is over the infobox will be updated. It will read just the same as the previous elections' infoboxes. Until then the incumbent President is the incumbent President. <a href="/wiki/User:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Abjiklam">Abjiklɐm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Abjiklam">tɐlk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Abjiklam-2016-06-26T23:09:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abjiklam-2016-06-26T23:09:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abjiklam-2016-06-26T23:09:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T17:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GoodDay-2016-06-30T12:26:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Obama will be the incumbent president until January 20, 2017. <a href="/wiki/User:GoodDay" title="User:GoodDay">GoodDay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GoodDay" title="User talk:GoodDay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-GoodDay-2016-06-30T12:26:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GoodDay-2016-06-30T12:26:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GoodDay-2016-06-30T12:26:00.000Z-192.68.112.173-2016-06-26T07:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"><span id="Unsourced_.22Political_spectrum.22_image_should_be_removed"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span>Unsourced "Political spectrum" image should be removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg/220px-2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="219" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg/330px-2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg/440px-2016_US_election_political_spectrum.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1194" data-file-height="1191"/></a><figcaption>Presidential nominees on the <a href="/wiki/Political_spectrum" title="Political spectrum">political spectrum</a></figcaption></figure> <p>An editor has placed the image at right in the "Background" section of the article, shown here at actual size as currently displayed. I have no doubt that this addition was done with good intentions, and I have no objection to the basic idea of such a comparison; however, the image in question doesn't belong in the article in its present form. There are three major reasons why, and a few minor ones; most of them could be corrected in a future image. </p><p>Major issue 1: There are no sources provided, in the text, in the image itself, or on the image description page, to support the placement of the candidates. There's no explanation for why Clinton is placed close to Stein and far from Trump, when there are ample sources that analyze Clinton and Trump's politics as near-identical in practice. There's no source which explains why Stein is placed all the way to the left when there's actually a fair bit of political action to her left even in the United States. There is no source given to support placing Johnson to the right, when the Libertarian Party nomination process fell out directly along left-right lines and the rightward candidate lost. There is no source to support showing Clinton as a hair more authoritarian than Trump when both have been attacked as authoritarian populists during this election cycle. This point alone means that the image shouldn't be there. Note that it's not sufficient to have a clear methodology for placement, since this isn't the sort of simple arithmetic that is allowed by policy - but there isn't a methodology posted anywhere, either. </p><p>Major issue 2: The actual meaning of the axes and placement isn't explained in the image, in the article text, or anywhere obvious. One has to click a link in the image caption, explore the link, and click another link to find an explanation. Likewise, there is no explanation for why the leftward axis is labeled as "Progressive" (a recently resurgent term) and not as "Liberal" (as is most common on most versions of the Nolan chart), "Leftist", or similar. Plus, once again, there are no sources to support any explanation. </p><p>Major issue 3: The political spectrum actually employed is that of the Nolan chart, which is not objective - it was developed in part as a tool for political proselytism , to convince those who rated themselves on the chart that they had libertarian tendencies. Evaluations according to Nolan's methodology essentially never rate highly for authoritarianism, and that is precisely the case in this image - Clinton is rated slightly authoritarian, and Trump as not authoritarian, even though one can find sources objecting to both major candidates on the grounds of perceived authoritarianism. This, again, makes the positioning of Clinton as slightly more authoritarian quite problematic - what's the objective justification for it? </p><p>Minor issue: The graphic is ugly and hard to read. The labels are partially obscured, and the tiny portraits nearly impossible to make out. If a chart is used in the article, those issues should be fixed. Colored dots would be entirely preferable to the current version, but the smaller text should also be made larger and clearer. This part is entirely fixable. </p><p>I apologize for the long post, but I hope anyone reading this can see why the current image is a problem. It ought to be removed, and if a newer one is added it should be done with consensus. Most of all, though, any such image desperately needs sources. If anyone wishes to argue for including this or another image, please start your argument there. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z-Unsourced_"Political_spectrum"_image_should_be_removed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trackinfo-2016-06-29T21:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span>I am in agreement with the IP's analysis. Since this is a high traffic page in a contentious election I have removed this. We should get a consensus and unbiased sourcing before posting something like this. <a href="/wiki/User:Trackinfo" title="User:Trackinfo">Trackinfo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trackinfo" title="User talk:Trackinfo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Trackinfo-2016-06-29T21:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 29 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trackinfo-2016-06-29T21:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trackinfo-2016-06-29T21:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span>The source (OnTheIssues.org) is mentioned on the description page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:22:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span>I agree that it should be removed as what does it add to the article? Everyone is going to have a different opinion about a candidate so it is better off if the reader just reads the prosed info about their positions. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:22:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:22:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:22:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span>I can't find this chart on OnTheIssues.org. Could you link to it? <a href="/wiki/User:Snooganssnoogans" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Snooganssnoogans">Snooganssnoogans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snooganssnoogans" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Snooganssnoogans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T17:39:00.000Z-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z"></span>Presumably the chart was compiled from the "VoteMatch Results" tables listed for each individual candidate, which do include a visual chart for each candidate. I had to reload each candidate's page multiple times to view due to the site's "optimized for Netscape Navigator 3" web design, but it is there, just not in a single chart. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T17:39:00.000Z-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T17:39:00.000Z-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T17:39:00.000Z-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for pointing that out; it's not very easy to find without being propmpted, but at least it is there. I'm afraid I don't see that source as sufficient to state some of the claims called out above in Wikipedia's voice. It might be sufficient to use as an opinion attributed to that source, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T11:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z"></span>Visual material (such as this) in articles are advised by various Wikipedia policies and guidelines. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span>Can you link to any one in particular that would advocate for using it? What is in the image that cant be implied using text? - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-06-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment#Grades" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T14:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span>Here</a> it states that articles get higher ratings for visual material. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T14:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T14:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-06-30T14:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span>I said this above in my original wall of text, but to reiterate, I personally think that visual summaries like this can add to the article if done correctly. I happen to think that this version had problems, but if editors ere can agree on a better graphic then I would be for it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-06-30T16:40:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-06-30T13:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span>I agree that the picture should be removed. If candidates should be ranked on the political spectrum on this page (I think that would be more appropriate on the candidates' own wiki page or on the "Political Positions of X' pages), then its should consider rankings from numerous sources and it shouldn't privilege one source by giving it a picture. <a href="/wiki/User:Snooganssnoogans" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Snooganssnoogans">Snooganssnoogans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snooganssnoogans" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Snooganssnoogans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snooganssnoogans-2016-06-30T17:07:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GoodDay-2016-07-01T13:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span>Leave the spectrum image <i>out</i> of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:GoodDay" title="User:GoodDay">GoodDay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GoodDay" title="User talk:GoodDay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-GoodDay-2016-07-01T13:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GoodDay-2016-07-01T13:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GoodDay-2016-07-01T13:14:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-06-29T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Campaign_Finance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Campaign_Finance-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Campaign_Finance-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Campaign Finance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Campaign_Finance-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z-Campaign_Finance"></span>I have added a campaign finance section and table to the page. However, it is notable that opensecrets.org references appear behind the latest news coverage. <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Though the latest FEC page has the same data as the opensecrets.org page. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbsseven" title="User:Dbsseven">Dbsseven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbsseven" title="User talk:Dbsseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z-Campaign_Finance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z-Campaign_Finance"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z-Campaign_Finance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:36:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"></span>I really like this idea!!! Perhaps we can add a bit of information about what an outside group is for readers? What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Fritz1543" title="User:Fritz1543">Fritz1543</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fritz1543" title="User talk:Fritz1543">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:36:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:36:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:36:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-07-06T20:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFMurrayCardwell2016" class="citation news cs1">Murray, Mark; Cardwell, Leigh Ann (6 July 2016). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-raises-26-million-june-n604806">"Donald Trump Raises $26 Million in June"</a>. CNN<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">6 July</span> 2016</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Donald+Trump+Raises+%2426+Million+in+June&rft.date=2016-07-06&rft.aulast=Murray&rft.aufirst=Mark&rft.au=Cardwell%2C+Leigh+Ann&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2016-election%2Fdonald-trump-raises-26-million-june-n604806&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3A2016+United+States+presidential+election%2FArchive+9" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z"></span>Stein and Johnson Gain Access in Illinois<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/07/green-party-and-libertarian-party-make-illinois-ballot-for-president-challenge-filed-against-constitution-party-petitions/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span>http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/07/green-party-and-libertarian-party-make-illinois-ballot-for-president-challenge-filed-against-constitution-party-petitions/</a> ... Constitutional Party, Human Rights Party and Socialist Party USA may have also made it but they are facing legal challenges while Johnson and Stein are unquestionably on the ballot for November. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1">2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 6 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:251A:13C9:B282:3EC1-2016-07-06T03:10:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span>You have added this ballot access for Gary Johnson but not Jill Stein. Please correct this now. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4">2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z-Stein_and_Johnson_Gain_Access_in_Illinois"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:41:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z"></span>I just corrected the Stein access per <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.jill2016.com/we_re_on_the_ballot_in_illinois">http://www.jill2016.com/we_re_on_the_ballot_in_illinois</a> as most people cannot change the page more then once a day! I would prefer a non-campaign source if you have one :)! <a href="/wiki/User:Fritz1543" title="User:Fritz1543">Fritz1543</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fritz1543" title="User talk:Fritz1543">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:41:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:41:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fritz1543-2016-07-07T03:41:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:A09E:3229:1D:36B4-2016-07-07T03:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The "Unaffiliated" subsection in the third-party candidate section was recently added without a source for its single candidate, removed, then readded with a source which claimed to demonstrate ballot access, but which only shows the registration of a campaign committee. There is no source currently given for the claim that this candidate has ballot access anywhere. Therefore, the entire section should be removed. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-07T23:21:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> - Thanks, good catch on your part. The section can, of course, be reinstated if and when ballot access can be verified.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-07T23:21:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-07T23:21:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-07T23:21:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-07T23:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Green_party" data-mw-thread-id="h-Green_party-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Green_party-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Green party<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Green_party-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z-Green_party"></span>Someone deleted everything in the Green Party section.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9" title="Special:Contributions/2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9">2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z-Green_party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 10 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z-Green_party"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:640:4080:5960:D528:3270:B717:97F9-2016-07-10T01:46:00.000Z-Green_party"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Romandave-2016-07-11T01:55:00.000Z-Green_party"></span>Well they must've undeleted it, because the green party section is there now. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Romandave" title="User:Romandave">Romandave</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Romandave&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Romandave (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Romandave" title="Special:Contributions/Romandave">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Romandave-2016-07-11T01:55:00.000Z-Green_party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 11 July 2016 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Romandave-2016-07-11T01:55:00.000Z-Green_party"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Romandave-2016-07-11T01:55:00.000Z-Green_party"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clinton_home_state" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clinton_home_state-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clinton_home_state-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"></span>Clinton home state<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clinton_home_state-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z-Clinton_home_state"></span>Shouldn't HRC's home state be listed as Arkansas? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense">Remsense</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Remsense" title="Special:Contributions/Remsense">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z-Clinton_home_state" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z-Clinton_home_state"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z-Clinton_home_state"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-12T03:35:00.000Z-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"></span>Not according to her <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/524/15031411524/15031411524.pdf">FEC form</a>. She hasn't lived in Arkansas for many many many years anyways. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-12T03:35:00.000Z-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-12T03:35:00.000Z-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-12T03:35:00.000Z-Remsense-2016-07-12T03:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Green_Party_Georgia_Access" data-mw-thread-id="h-Green_Party_Georgia_Access-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Green_Party_Georgia_Access-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z"></span>Green Party Georgia Access<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Green_Party_Georgia_Access-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z-Green_Party_Georgia_Access"></span>Pending official campaign announcement, it appears as if Jill Stein has qualified for the Georgia ballot: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://onlineathens.com/mobile/2016-07-12/green-party-candidate-stein-qualifies-georgia-ballot-ware-filing-write-candidate">http://onlineathens.com/mobile/2016-07-12/green-party-candidate-stein-qualifies-georgia-ballot-ware-filing-write-candidate</a> . <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5">2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z-Green_Party_Georgia_Access" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z-Green_Party_Georgia_Access"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T01:57:00.000Z-Green_Party_Georgia_Access"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"></span>Other parties which could achieve ballot access to 270 electoral votes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes"></span>I follow minor party ballot access pretty closely and just wanted to point out to the regular editors of this page that there is a significant possibility that one or more additional parties could achieve ballot access to 270 electoral college votes. Specifically if either the Constitution Party nominee gets cross nominated by the Independent American Party in California or the Party for Socialism and Liberation Nominee gets cross nominated by the Peace and Freedom Party, each could potentially reach 270 ballot access. This isn't a pressing issue, but I just wanted to bring it up since if it does happen it would require changes to the infobox coding and layout of the page.<a href="/wiki/User:XavierGreen" title="User:XavierGreen">XavierGreen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XavierGreen" title="User talk:XavierGreen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z-Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T03:39:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"></span>If additional parties reach 270 votes of ballot access, they will be featured in the infobox. In 2012 we had six candidates listed. By all means, if you're following their ballot access, let us know as soon as any of them reach 270. <a href="/wiki/User:Antony-22" title="User:Antony-22">Antony–<i><b>22</b></i></a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antony-22" title="User talk:Antony-22">talk</a></sup>⁄<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Antony-22" title="Special:Contributions/Antony-22">contribs</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T03:39:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T03:39:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T03:39:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-07-13T18:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="VP_speculation" data-mw-thread-id="h-VP_speculation-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-VP_speculation-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"></span>VP speculation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-VP_speculation-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span>John McCain was never considered as running mate for Trump, but instead Sen. <a href="/wiki/Bob_Corker" title="Bob Corker">Bob Corker</a> (R-TN) can be added to the list. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.110.69.30" title="Special:Contributions/217.110.69.30">217.110.69.30</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:217.110.69.30" title="User talk:217.110.69.30">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z-VP_speculation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-05T17:39:00.000Z-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"></span>Source? --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-05T17:39:00.000Z-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-05T17:39:00.000Z-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-05T17:39:00.000Z-217.110.69.30-2016-07-05T11:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span>Is there a reason there is a gallery for the Democratic Vice Presidential potential picks, and not for the Republican? <a href="/wiki/User:Calibrador" title="User:Calibrador">Calibrador</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calibrador" title="User talk:Calibrador">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z-VP_speculation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-05T19:28:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span>I was wondering the same thing. IMO, neither section needs a gallery.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ddcm8991" title="User:Ddcm8991">Ddcm8991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ddcm8991" title="User talk:Ddcm8991">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-05T19:28:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-05T19:28:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-05T19:28:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-05T21:03:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span>I agree that neither needs a gallery. We didn't have one for the potential presidential candidates, so use additional bandwidth on potential veep candidates? For that reason, I have removed the gallery for the Dem. potentials.--<a href="/wiki/User:NextUSprez" title="User:NextUSprez">NextUSprez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NextUSprez" title="User talk:NextUSprez">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-NextUSprez-2016-07-05T21:03:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-05T21:03:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-05T21:03:00.000Z-Calibrador-2016-07-05T19:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span>Hey guys, The Hill just posted an article saying that Mike Pence has been selected as Trump's running mate, shoul we put it on the info box?--<a href="/wiki/User:Angelgfg12345" title="User:Angelgfg12345">Angelgfg12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Angelgfg12345" title="User talk:Angelgfg12345">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/User:Angelgfg12345" title="User:Angelgfg12345">Angelgfg12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Angelgfg12345" title="User talk:Angelgfg12345">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z-VP_speculation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a>).<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z-VP_speculation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z"></span>No, not until the official announcement has been made. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:NextUSprez" title="User:NextUSprez">NextUSprez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NextUSprez" title="User talk:NextUSprez">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-14T17:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Nextprez that we should wait unti the announcement before stating that Pence is the running mate. However, I think it would be appropriate to add a (sourced) statement saying that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://time.com/4406477/donald-trump-mike-pence-running-mate-vice-president/">multiple reliable sources are reporting that Mike Pence is expected to be named Trump's running mate</a> (or words to that effect).--<a href="/wiki/User:Rollins83" title="User:Rollins83">Rollins83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rollins83" title="User talk:Rollins83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z-NextUSprez-2016-07-14T17:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:31:00.000Z-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rollins83" title="User:Rollins83">User:Rollins83</a>: <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:31:00.000Z-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:31:00.000Z-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:31:00.000Z-Rollins83-2016-07-14T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access" data-mw-thread-id="h-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"><span id="Order_.22Other_third_parties_and_independents.22_by_electoral_college_access"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>Order "Other third parties and independents" by electoral college access<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access"></span>I propose that we order the "Other third parties and independents" section by the number of electoral college vote they have access to, rather than alphabetical order as it currently is. Who is in agreement? --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z-Order_"Other_third_parties_and_independents"_by_electoral_college_access"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T18:08:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>I agree. Better to keep it consistent with the infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Antony-22" title="User:Antony-22">Antony–<i><b>22</b></i></a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antony-22" title="User talk:Antony-22">talk</a></sup>⁄<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Antony-22" title="Special:Contributions/Antony-22">contribs</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T18:08:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T18:08:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antony-22-2016-07-14T18:08:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michelangelo1992-2016-07-14T20:28:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>I think that's a logical and fair way to do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Michelangelo1992" title="User:Michelangelo1992">Michelangelo1992</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michelangelo1992" title="User talk:Michelangelo1992">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Michelangelo1992-2016-07-14T20:28:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michelangelo1992-2016-07-14T20:28:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michelangelo1992-2016-07-14T20:28:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:54:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>I agree. Per above comments, it's best to maintain consistent listing standards throughout the page for reasons of practicality and fairness.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:54:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:54:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-14T21:54:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BobfromtheBeltway-2016-07-15T14:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>I agree with all the above. List by order of accessible electoral votes, same way as listed in the infobox--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BobfromtheBeltway&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BobfromtheBeltway (page does not exist)">BobfromtheBeltway</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BobfromtheBeltway" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BobfromtheBeltway">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-BobfromtheBeltway-2016-07-15T14:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BobfromtheBeltway-2016-07-15T14:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BobfromtheBeltway-2016-07-15T14:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T02:46:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span>I also agree with the proposal to list the candidates by electoral college access, in the interest of fairness and consistency.--<a href="/wiki/User:I.C._Rivers" title="User:I.C. Rivers">I.C. Rivers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I.C._Rivers" title="User talk:I.C. Rivers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T02:46:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T02:46:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T02:46:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-14T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I want to make the presumptive text in Donald Trump's entry link to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_nominee#Presumptive_nominee">[1]</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.102.72.189" title="Special:Contributions/24.102.72.189">24.102.72.189</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.102.72.189" title="User talk:24.102.72.189">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_July_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-16T21:20:00.000Z-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> That would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OVERLINK">WP:OVERLINKing</a>. We only wikilink the first occurrence of a particular word. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-16T21:20:00.000Z-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-16T21:20:00.000Z-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-16T21:20:00.000Z-24.102.72.189-2016-07-16T21:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Section 4.2 <i>Green Party</i>, Ballot access: </p><p>take out Deleware, change 339 to 336 </p><p>see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access">http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.22.242.183" title="Special:Contributions/174.22.242.183">174.22.242.183</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:174.22.242.183&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:174.22.242.183 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_July_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-17T21:23:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Yes, according to Ballot Access News, "only the August 2016 tally counts" <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/02/04/delaware-green-party-registration-dips-below-minimum-required-for-ballot-access/">[2]</a>, so the Greens cannot have ballot access before August 21. This should be changed. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-17T21:23:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-17T21:23:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-17T21:23:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-18T03:53:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Good catch. Thanks for pointing this out.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-18T03:53:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-18T03:53:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-18T03:53:00.000Z-174.22.242.183-2016-07-17T04:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span>Bernie Sanders did not suspended his campaign<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign"></span>Sanders did not suspend his campaign, in his speech he said he'll go all the way to November, but offered to withdrawl from the race. He is keeping his promise as to going all the way to convention. As this article says, he does not officially drop out of the race, but supports Clinton. It's like the case for Kreml and Jill Stein in the Green Party primaries. He's still a candidate, but endorses Stein. Sanders endorses Clinton to defeat Trump, but is still in the race. --<a href="/wiki/User:TDKR_Chicago_101" title="User:TDKR Chicago 101">TDKR Chicago 101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TDKR_Chicago_101" title="User talk:TDKR Chicago 101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z-Bernie_Sanders_did_not_suspended_his_campaign"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.27.101.171-2016-07-12T21:58:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span>His speech today seemed as clear of a concession as any. It's true that his campaign technically is not suspended but it's really hard for me to understand under what criteria his campaign is continuing. The goal of the campaign (for Bernie Sanders to obtain the Democratic Party nomination and afterwards the presidency) was not met and this has been acknowledged by the candidate as well as the staff. It's hard for me personally to find a justification for continuing to describe the Sanders campaign as active. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.27.101.171" title="Special:Contributions/50.27.101.171">50.27.101.171</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.27.101.171" title="User talk:50.27.101.171">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-50.27.101.171-2016-07-12T21:58:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.27.101.171-2016-07-12T21:58:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.27.101.171-2016-07-12T21:58:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T06:43:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span>It's just about official stuff. Sanders suspended his campaign months ago, in effectiveness. But officially, his campaign continues. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5">2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T06:43:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T06:43:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:F975:1B35:C1D6:90F5-2016-07-13T06:43:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span>My goodness, is that you <a href="/wiki/Jonathan_Tasini" title="Jonathan Tasini">Jonathan Tasini</a>? Sanders lost, he endorsed Clinton, and it's done. Not sure how much clearer it can be. I can see the 2020 election page being drafted and people will still want to say "Sanders is still in it". Just let it go. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404" title="Special:Contributions/2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404">2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/its-official-bernie-sanders-is-staying-in-the-race_us_576cf7a3e4b0fa01a13fd382"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z"></span>[3]</a> for those who believe Bernie sanders should be in the withdrawn category. <a href="/wiki/User:CCamp2013" title="User:CCamp2013">Chase</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CCamp2013" title="User talk:CCamp2013">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z-2601:589:4705:B31D:7971:F155:7037:D404-2016-07-13T12:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-18T18:28:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z"></span>That article came in June, <i>before</i> he endorsed Hillary. Newer sources say he <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/07/17/now-bernie-sanders/87137824/">"ended his campaign"</a>. His campaign might still be "active" in technicality, but not in actuality. Isn't he looking to transition it into a new organization, much as <a href="/wiki/Dean_for_America" class="mw-redirect" title="Dean for America">Dean for America</a> became <a href="/wiki/Democracy_for_America" title="Democracy for America">Democracy for America</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Obama_for_America" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Obama for America">Obama for America</a> became <a href="/wiki/Organizing_for_Action" title="Organizing for Action">Organizing for Action</a>? Sanders will roll out the new format of the organization either later in the campaign or after the election. – <a href="/wiki/User:Muboshgu" title="User:Muboshgu">Muboshgu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muboshgu#top" title="User talk:Muboshgu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Muboshgu-2016-07-18T18:28:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-18T18:28:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-18T18:28:00.000Z-CCamp2013-2016-07-18T18:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> Trump just won the vote at the RNC so he's no longer presumptive. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.244.230.204" title="Special:Contributions/96.244.230.204">96.244.230.204</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:96.244.230.204" title="User talk:96.244.230.204">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_July_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:15:00.000Z-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> <b>Already done</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:15:00.000Z-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:15:00.000Z-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:15:00.000Z-96.244.230.204-2016-07-19T23:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"><span id="Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Nominee or still presumptive nominee?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?"></span>Hi, Trump isn't officially nominee until he accepts it, something that hasn't happened yet so I find it controversial to list him as officially nominee of the Republican party for President of the United States, and thus I think it shouldn't be displayed on Wikipedia since it isn't confirmed and he hasn't accepted the nomination yet. I'm not from the United States but ABC News says this: <i>Trump will not officially become the Republican Party's nominee for president until he accepts the nomination, which is slated to occur as part of his speech on Thursday night, according to the RNC counsel's office. It's like a marriage: You need an "I do" from both sides to become the nominee. The Republican convention will offer the nomination when the delegates vote, and Trump needs to accept it.</i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tonights-gop-convention-roll-call-vote/story?id=40704312">SOURCE</a>) What are your opinions? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Itsyoungrapper" title="User:Itsyoungrapper">Itsyoungrapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsyoungrapper" title="User talk:Itsyoungrapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z-Nominee_or_still_presumptive_nominee?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-latest-over-the-top-%E2%80%94-trump-clinches-gop-nomination/ar-BBuwPxq?li=BBnb7Kz"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Sources say</a> it is official. Therefore it is official. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a>:</span> I'm sorry I forgot to add source and quotation and I think you replied before I have fixed it so I'm just notifying and apologize. <a href="/wiki/User:Itsyoungrapper" title="User:Itsyoungrapper">Itsyoungrapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsyoungrapper" title="User talk:Itsyoungrapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-19T23:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z"></span>Yep, it's now official. No going back. – <a href="/wiki/User:Muboshgu" title="User:Muboshgu">Muboshgu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muboshgu#top" title="User talk:Muboshgu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 19 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-19T23:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guy_Macon-2016-07-20T03:44:00.000Z-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z"></span>"House Speaker Paul Ryan has formally declared Donald Trump the winner of the Republican presidential nomination. Ryan says Trump received 1,725 delegates in the state-by-state roll call."</b> (Trump 1,725, Cruz 475, Kasich 129, Rubio 113, Carson 7, Bush 3, Paul 2, 1,237 needed to win). --<a href="/wiki/User:Guy_Macon" title="User:Guy Macon">Guy Macon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guy_Macon" title="User talk:Guy Macon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Guy_Macon-2016-07-20T03:44:00.000Z-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 20 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guy_Macon-2016-07-20T03:44:00.000Z-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guy_Macon-2016-07-20T03:44:00.000Z-Muboshgu-2016-07-19T23:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="48th" data-mw-thread-id="h-48th-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-48th-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span>48th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-48th-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z-48th"></span>The 45th and 48th president of the United States...what? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.112.57.124" title="Special:Contributions/98.112.57.124">98.112.57.124</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:98.112.57.124&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:98.112.57.124 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z-48th" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z-48th"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z-48th"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C.Fred-2016-07-21T17:07:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span>The 45th president and 48th vice president. There have been presidents who had multiple vice presidents serve under them. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:C.Fred" title="User:C.Fred">C.Fred</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C.Fred" title="User talk:C.Fred">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-C.Fred-2016-07-21T17:07:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C.Fred-2016-07-21T17:07:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C.Fred-2016-07-21T17:07:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-21T17:13:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span>Presumably you're referring to the last sentence of the article's lead paragraph. Look closer, it says "....the 2016 election will determine the 45th President and 48th <i>Vice President</i> of the United States". The statement is accurate.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ddcm8991" title="User:Ddcm8991">Ddcm8991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ddcm8991" title="User talk:Ddcm8991">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-21T17:13:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-21T17:13:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ddcm8991-2016-07-21T17:13:00.000Z-98.112.57.124-2016-07-21T16:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clinton's_running_mate_selection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clinton's_running_mate_selection-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z"><span id="Clinton.27s_running_mate_selection"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clinton's_running_mate_selection-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span>Clinton's running mate selection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clinton's_running_mate_selection-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z-Clinton's_running_mate_selection"></span>Should we remove the list of prospective running mates for Clinton, until her actual previous shortlist comes out? The media speculation was just that, and they were, in my opinion, quite baseless. The predictions were made without any <i>insider information</i>, so... </p><p><br/> I think they should be kept until Clinton comes out at the convention with a few more on Kaine, or doesn't. Should it be changed? </p><p><br/> </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rep.donsman456&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rep.donsman456 (page does not exist)">Rep.donsman456</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rep.donsman456" title="User talk:Rep.donsman456">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Rep.donsman456-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z-Clinton's_running_mate_selection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z-Clinton's_running_mate_selection"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-07-23T14:55:00.000Z-Clinton's_running_mate_selection"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trump_image_(again)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trump_image_(again)-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"><span id="Trump_image_.28again.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trump_image_(again)-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Trump image (again)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trump_image_(again)-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z-Trump_image_(again)"></span>Hi, I know that we have discussed a lot about Trump's photo, but I would like to propose you another one. What do you think about this image? </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_J._Trump.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Proposed photo"><img alt="Proposed photo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Donald_J._Trump.jpg/87px-Donald_J._Trump.jpg" decoding="async" width="87" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Donald_J._Trump.jpg/131px-Donald_J._Trump.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Donald_J._Trump.jpg/174px-Donald_J._Trump.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1034" data-file-height="1423"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Proposed photo</div> </li> </ul> <p>Thank you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Nick.mon" title="User:Nick.mon">Nick.mon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nick.mon" title="User talk:Nick.mon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z-Trump_image_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z-Trump_image_(again)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z-Trump_image_(again)"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-23T22:52:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>: Trump's face is contorted in this picture and its out of focus. <a href="/wiki/User:Ebonelm" title="User:Ebonelm">Ebonelm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ebonelm" title="User talk:Ebonelm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ebonelm-2016-07-23T22:52:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-23T22:52:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-23T22:52:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:22:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>: The lighting seems strange in that picture. That being said, I do not like the current picture. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Baconheimian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Baconheimian (page does not exist)">Baconheimian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baconheimian" title="User talk:Baconheimian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:22:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:22:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:22:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:44:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Oppose:</b> No better than the current photo of Trump. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:44:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:44:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:44:00.000Z-Nick.mon-2016-07-23T22:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"></span>Proposal to change image for Gary Johnson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_(10483988005).png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png/100px-Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="168" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png/150px-Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png/200px-Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_%2810483988005%29.png 2x" data-file-width="1205" data-file-height="2023"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Can we change the image for Gary Johnson to <a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_Head_Shot_18_(10483988005).png" title="File:Gary Johnson Head Shot 18 (10483988005).png">this one</a> from a better angle. Perhaps crop it a little at the top? --<a href="/wiki/User:Bensin" title="User:Bensin">Bensin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bensin" title="User talk:Bensin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"></span>I think it would look odd next to all the other potraits. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T01:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z"></span>This portrait: <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg/100px-Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg/150px-Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg/200px-Gary_Johnson_black_background.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="1800"/></a></span>, which is a high quality official campaign portrait (made available to use as a free-use file by the way) is of great quality and composition. It has a darker background like the other non-official portraits in the infobox. I made this change and it was removed for no <i>good</i> reason. The current image of Johnson is a candid shot, by no means professional, poor expression, angle, etc. We die for excellent quality recent photographs and here the campaign gives us their portraits as free-use and we don't use them in favor of inferior candid crops? <span style="border:2px solid #d69d36; background:#FFFFFF;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Spartan7W" title="User:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">Spartan7W</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spartan7W" title="User talk:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">§</span> </a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z"></span>While it's a great image its too dark for the infobox. Because the images in the infobox are relativly small most of this images detail is lost and the shadow becomes a lot more prominent. While the current image isn't perfect it does a better job than the proposed image within the context of the infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Ebonelm" title="User:Ebonelm">Ebonelm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ebonelm" title="User talk:Ebonelm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T14:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z"></span>No Spartan7W, I ignored that image even though its official because its dark, you removed a <a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg" title="File:Gary Johnson June 2016.jpg">better image</a> from his article because you did not like the 'color/contrast'..there is nothing wrong with the color or the contrast, It's your PC that cannot read color correctly (Are you on an intel video card by any chance?), anyways the image proposed by Bensin is from 2011, not 2013 so its over 5 years old, we should not use it if a much recent image is available..the image with black backgrounds is not suitable for use in infobox for politicians, the best images are those where the person is looking straight forward, not sideways..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"><a href="/wiki/User:Stemoc" title="User:Stemoc">Ste</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stemoc" title="User talk:Stemoc">moc</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Stemoc-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stemoc-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Ebonelm-2016-07-24T15:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/135px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg" decoding="async" width="135" height="192" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/203px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/270px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1670" data-file-height="2380"/></a><figcaption>Stemoc's proposed image at 135px</figcaption></figure> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Stemoc's proposed image is superior to the one currently used. It is also more recent than the one I proposed. I support changing to it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bensin" title="User:Bensin">Bensin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bensin" title="User talk:Bensin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z-Proposal_to_change_image_for_Gary_Johnson"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T19:17:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z"></span>Well, I support the above file (stemoc), good contrast, its from this year, high quality, official, etc. <span style="border:2px solid #d69d36; background:#FFFFFF;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Spartan7W" title="User:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">Spartan7W</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spartan7W" title="User talk:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">§</span> </a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T19:17:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T19:17:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-24T19:17:00.000Z-Bensin-2016-07-24T18:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trump_Picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trump_Picture-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trump_Picture-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"></span>Trump Picture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trump_Picture-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span>Is this a good picture to replace the hunched over the podium glancing off to the side one currently being used. </p> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg/140px-DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="140" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg/210px-DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg/280px-DonaldTrump_Fund_raiser_event_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="862" data-file-height="1230"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/User:ShadowDragon343" title="User:ShadowDragon343">ShadowDragon343</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShadowDragon343" title="User talk:ShadowDragon343">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z-Trump_Picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T17:55:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"></span>This potrait is four years older than other potraits in this article, making it inconsistent. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T17:55:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T17:55:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T17:55:00.000Z-ShadowDragon343-2016-07-24T16:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span>But it's not consistent... have you looked at the other three pictures? Take five seconds and do a google image search. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.110.99.8" title="Special:Contributions/68.110.99.8">68.110.99.8</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.110.99.8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.110.99.8 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z-Trump_Picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z-Trump_Picture"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-25T02:19:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span>"the hunched over the podium glancing off to the side" was never my favourite either, the image you chose is kinda perfect (bar it being too orange lol), so i made a slight color change, the only issue perhaps is that its 4 years old, theDonald is less orange now :P ..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"><a href="/wiki/User:Stemoc" title="User:Stemoc">Ste</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stemoc" title="User talk:Stemoc">moc</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Stemoc-2016-07-25T02:19:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-25T02:19:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stemoc-2016-07-25T02:19:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span>Can we just agree to keep the pictures the same? After the election this can always be revisited but for now it just causes pointless disruption. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z-68.110.99.8-2016-07-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z"></span>Unless a portrait-quality photograph of Mr. Trump, Secretary Clinton, or Jill Stein emerge, dated 2016, we shouldn't keep changing. We could use a better image for Clinton, Trump, and Stein, but we don't quite have them, but its better to keep these acceptable ones and change only if truly excellent ones arise such that we do not keep altering images with questionable merit superiority. <span style="border:2px solid #d69d36; background:#FFFFFF;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Spartan7W" title="User:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">Spartan7W</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spartan7W" title="User talk:Spartan7W"><span style="color:#CE2029">§</span> </a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T02:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T03:00:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span>Agreed, I am just tired of seeing edit warring/disputes over the pictures as well. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T03:00:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T03:00:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-25T03:00:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Super_Nintendo_Chalmers-2016-07-25T08:33:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span>+1, can we have an agreement that the images should now only be changed unless there is a clear reason to do so? We could argue forever about which image is marginally better, but it won't help! <a href="/wiki/User:Super_Nintendo_Chalmers" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Super Nintendo Chalmers">Super Nintendo Chalmers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Super_Nintendo_Chalmers" title="User talk:Super Nintendo Chalmers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Super_Nintendo_Chalmers-2016-07-25T08:33:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Super_Nintendo_Chalmers-2016-07-25T08:33:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Super_Nintendo_Chalmers-2016-07-25T08:33:00.000Z-Spartan7W-2016-07-25T02:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Running_mate_format" data-mw-thread-id="h-Running_mate_format-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Running_mate_format-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span>Running mate format<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Running_mate_format-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z-Running_mate_format"></span>So when Trump confirms officially that Pence as his VP and that Weld is the official VP for LP. Can we format running mates like this under the header Running mate on the party ticket header? </p> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="30"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)"><img alt="Republican Party (United States)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/65px-Republican_Disc.png" decoding="async" width="65" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/98px-Republican_Disc.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/130px-Republican_Disc.png 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="1500"/></a><figcaption>Republican Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:3em; font-size:135%; background:#B30917; width:200px;"><a href="/wiki/Mike_Pence" title="Mike Pence"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:white">Mike Pence</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/134px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="134" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/201px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/269px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="995" data-file-height="1481"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <td>50th <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Indiana" title="Governor of Indiana">Governor of Indiana</a><br/><small>(since 2013)</small> </td></tr> <tr> <td>[1] </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="30"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Libertarian_Party_US_Logo.png" class="new" title="File:Libertarian Party US Logo.png"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="30">Libertarian Party (United States)</span></a><figcaption>Libertarian Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:3em; font-size:135%; background:#FCD317; width:200px;"><a href="/wiki/William_Weld" class="mw-redirect" title="William Weld"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:black">William Weld</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:William_Weld_2016_(cropped2x3).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg/133px-William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="133" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg/200px-William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg/266px-William_Weld_2016_%28cropped2x3%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1897" data-file-height="2848"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>68th <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Massachusetts" title="Governor of Massachusetts">Governor of Massachusetts</a><br/><small>(1991–1997)</small> </td></tr> <tr> <td>[2][3] </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Good? Bad? Your thoughts Thoughts? --<a href="/wiki/User:TDKR_Chicago_101" title="User:TDKR Chicago 101">TDKR Chicago 101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TDKR_Chicago_101" title="User talk:TDKR Chicago 101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z-Running_mate_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z-Running_mate_format"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z-Running_mate_format"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-15T18:53:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span>Just list the person and a photo. Why make it gaudy? --<a href="/wiki/User:William_S._Saturn" title="User:William S. Saturn">William S. Saturn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_S._Saturn" title="User talk:William S. Saturn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-15T18:53:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-15T18:53:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-15T18:53:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-15T19:11:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span>The VP candidates should be listed more prominently than they are now, but basically I agree with William S. Saturn; there's no need for overly fancy formatting. Incidentally, the list of "possible" Republican candidates nees serious trimming; not only is it out of date, but it appears to list every person who's ever been the subject of a ghost of a rumor. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-15T19:11:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-15T19:11:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-15T19:11:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span>I prefer this format:</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="30"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)"><img alt="Republican Party (United States)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/65px-Republican_Disc.png" decoding="async" width="65" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/98px-Republican_Disc.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/130px-Republican_Disc.png 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="1500"/></a><figcaption>Republican Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:3em; font-size:135%; background:#B30917; width:200px;"><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:white">Donald Trump</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_19,_2015_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/225px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/300px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="2000"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Chairman of <a href="/wiki/The_Trump_Organization" title="The Trump Organization">The Trump Organization</a><br/><small>(1971–<i>present</i>)</small> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016">Campaign</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/23px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="23" height="34" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/35px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/46px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="995" data-file-height="1481"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/23px-No_image.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/35px-No_image.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/46px-No_image.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><a href="/wiki/Mike_Pence" title="Mike Pence">Mike Pence</a><br/><i><b>Running mate</b></i> </td></tr> <tr> <td><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="30"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Libertarian_Party_US_Logo.png" class="new" title="File:Libertarian Party US Logo.png"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="30">Libertarian Party (United States)</span></a><figcaption>Libertarian Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:3em; font-size:135%; background:#FCD317; width:200px;"><a href="/wiki/Gary_Johnson" title="Gary Johnson"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:black">Gary Johnson</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/133px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="133" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/266px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="877" data-file-height="1317"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>29th<br/><a href="/wiki/Governor_of_New_Mexico" title="Governor of New Mexico">Governor of New Mexico</a><br/><small>(1995–2003)</small> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Gary Johnson presidential campaign, 2016">Campaign</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=William_Weld_face_crop.jpg" class="new" title="File:William Weld face crop.jpg"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="20">File:William Weld face crop.jpg</span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/20px-No_image.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/30px-No_image.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/No_image.svg/40px-No_image.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><a href="/wiki/William_Weld" class="mw-redirect" title="William Weld">William Weld</a><br/><i><b>Running mate</b></i> </td></tr> <tr> <td><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>{{center| </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z-TDKR_Chicago_101-2016-07-15T18:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z"></span>I also prefer Proud User's proposed format, it i sensible and efficient IMO.--<a href="/wiki/User:I.C._Rivers" title="User:I.C. Rivers">I.C. Rivers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I.C._Rivers" title="User talk:I.C. Rivers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-15T22:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z"></span>I support Proud User's proposed format as well.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z-I.C._Rivers-2016-07-16T03:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z"></span>Showing a 23 pixel portrait looks silly. Most of the presentations I've seen in visual media show the two candidates side-by-side, something like this:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="2"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)"><img alt="Republican Party (United States)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/65px-Republican_Disc.png" decoding="async" width="65" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/98px-Republican_Disc.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Republican_Disc.png/130px-Republican_Disc.png 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="1500"/></a><figcaption>Republican Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="font-size:135%; background:#B30917; width:250px;" colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:white">Donald Trump</span></a> / <a href="/wiki/Mike_Pence" title="Mike Pence"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:white">Mike Pence</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="width:220px"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_19,_2015_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/225px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/300px-Donald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="2000"/></a></span><br/><i><b>President</b></i><br/>CEO of <a href="/wiki/The_Trump_Organization" title="The Trump Organization">The Trump Organization</a> </td> <td style="width:220px;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/134px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="134" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/201px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/269px-Mike_Pence_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="995" data-file-height="1481"/></a></span><br/><i><b>Vice President</b></i><br/><a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Indiana" title="Governor of Indiana"> Gov. of Indiana</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016">Campaign</a> <sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>8<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="background:#f1f1f1;" colspan="2"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Libertarian_Party_US_Logo.png" class="new" title="File:Libertarian Party US Logo.png"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="30">Libertarian Party (United States)</span></a><figcaption>Libertarian Party (United States)</figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="font-size:135%; background:#FCD317; width:300px;" colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Gary_Johnson" title="Gary Johnson"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:black">Gary Johnson</span></a> / <a href="/wiki/William_Weld" class="mw-redirect" title="William Weld"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:black">William Weld</span></a> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="width:220px;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/133px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="133" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg/266px-Gary_Johnson_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="877" data-file-height="1317"/></a></span> <br/><i><b>President</b></i><br/>Fmr. <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_New_Mexico" title="Governor of New Mexico"> Gov. of New Mexico</a> </td> <td style="width:220px;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg/143px-Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg" decoding="async" width="143" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg/214px-Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg/286px-Bill_Weld_campaign_portrait.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="2800"/></a></span> <br/><i><b>Vice President</b></i><br/>Fmr. <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Massachusetts" title="Governor of Massachusetts"> Gov. of Massachusetts</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Gary Johnson presidential campaign, 2016">Campaign</a> <sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>9<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>10<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Also, that shadowy pic of Weld is a bizarre pose with a an uneven crop; this one is (slightly) better. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sparkie82" title="User:Sparkie82"><span style="color:#333333;">Sparkie82</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sparkie82" title="User talk:Sparkie82"><span style="color:#666666;">t</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sparkie82" title="Special:Contributions/Sparkie82"><span style="color:#666666;">c</span></a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z-JayJasper-2016-07-16T16:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-25T17:11:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z"></span>Switching from my earlier support for the previous proposal, I am now in agreement w/ Sparkie82.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-25T17:11:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-25T17:11:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-25T17:11:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-23T08:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1232521257"><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-big-2016-announcement--2015-6">"Donald Trump is running for president"</a>. 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> In the section of withdrawn Republican candidates, Bobby Jindal is shown to be still governor of Louisiana, even though his term ended in 2016 when John Bel Edwards took office. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.129.50.194" title="Special:Contributions/74.129.50.194">74.129.50.194</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.129.50.194" title="User talk:74.129.50.194">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.61.79.236-2016-07-26T04:34:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span>Similarly, in the Democratic section for withdrawn candidates, it lists Jim Webb as having been a U.S. Senator from Virginia from 1984 to 2013, when it should be from 2007 to 2013.--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.61.79.236" title="Special:Contributions/64.61.79.236">64.61.79.236</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:64.61.79.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:64.61.79.236 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.61.79.236-2016-07-26T04:34:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.61.79.236-2016-07-26T04:34:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.61.79.236-2016-07-26T04:34:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-26T17:14:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Thank you for spotting the errors and pointing them out.--<a href="/wiki/User:JayJasper" title="User:JayJasper">JayJasper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayJasper" title="User talk:JayJasper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-JayJasper-2016-07-26T17:14:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayJasper-2016-07-26T17:14:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayJasper-2016-07-26T17:14:00.000Z-74.129.50.194-2016-07-26T04:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Greens_in_Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Greens_in_Infobox-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greens_in_Infobox-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"></span>Greens in Infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greens_in_Infobox-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span>I really don't think they should be in there. Whatever your political position, I think we can agree that they will not be a major player this election. I support including the Libertarians, but the Greens I oppose in the wikibox. If support for them grows, it can be reconsidered, but I don't think they are important enough now. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Baconheimian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Baconheimian (page does not exist)">Baconheimian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baconheimian" title="User talk:Baconheimian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:41:00.000Z-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"></span>There is a consensus that any party with access to at least 270 electoral college votes should be included in the infobox. Your proposal violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:41:00.000Z-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:41:00.000Z-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-24T11:41:00.000Z-Baconheimian-2016-07-23T23:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cax17-2016-07-26T22:28:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span>I very much think they should be there. Many Bernie Sanders supporters have flipped to supporting Stein. And donations and social media attention for Jill Stein has exploded. She will be on the ballot in 45-48 states. She definitely deserves to be there until election day.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cax17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cax17 (page does not exist)">Cax17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cax17" title="User talk:Cax17">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Cax17-2016-07-26T22:28:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cax17-2016-07-26T22:28:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cax17-2016-07-26T22:28:00.000Z-Greens_in_Infobox"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:1RR_violations" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:1RR_violations-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:1RR_violations-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span>WP:1RR violations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:1RR_violations-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span>A user is making more than one revert per 24 hours: </p> <ol><li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election,_2016&diff=731809184&oldid=731809062">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election,_2016&diff=731809184&oldid=731809062</a></li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election,_2016&diff=731808913&oldid=731808774">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election,_2016&diff=731808913&oldid=731808774</a></li></ol> <p>I also do not believe there was a consensus for that change. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-27T20:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a> for arbitration enforcement requests. Please note, that editors must be warned and aware of such sanctions before anything will happen. I have placed a DS alert on their talk page. Nothing more to do at this time. If you want to talk about the consensus for that edit fine, but beyond that enforcement doesn't happen here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-27T20:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-27T20:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-27T20:42:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T03:33:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span>This is obvious vandalism, I don't see how this one in particular would be in violation. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T03:33:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T03:33:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T03:33:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-07-27T17:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span>Regardless of bureaucracy, one provision of the 1RR restriction is specifically that "Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction". You shouldn't be afraid to revert edits that are clearly vandalism; that includes both of the above. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z-WP:1RR_violations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z"></span>Well I am more than a little embarrassed that I jumped right into the bureaucratic red tape of everything instead of taking the half a second to actually register what was going on. I saw "1RR" and didn't think twice. Apologies. Yeah <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a>:</span> you can revert vandalism as many times as you want without restriction. The sanctions alert I placed on their page is still useful though as it lets them know that the level of behaviour expected on this page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-28T02:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T16:44:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z"></span>Its okay it happens, but yeah to echo the above obvious vandalism is exempt. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T16:44:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T16:44:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-07-28T16:44:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-28T13:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"><span id="Johnson.2FWeld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"></span>Johnson/Weld have ballot access in all 50 states plus DC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC"></span>Links <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/50-state-ballot-access-gary-johnson-third-party-option/">here</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2016/05/the-libertarians-will-be-on-the-ballot-in-all-50-states/">here</a>.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:65.205.30.34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:65.205.30.34 (page does not exist)">65.205.30.34 </a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:65.205.30.34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:65.205.30.34 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.205.30.34" title="Special:Contributions/65.205.30.34">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z-Johnson/Weld_have_ballot_access_in_all_50_states_plus_DC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"></span>Those blog links aren't good enough sources to establish any such thing, especially since <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map">the Libertarian Party disagrees</a>. If they do get nationwide ballot access, we can expect it to be covered in much better sources than these, and in particular the LP will be certain to mention it somewhere. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z-65.205.30.34-2016-07-25T17:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z"></span>The Libertarian Party is still actively petitioning for ballot access in various states whose deadlines to submit petitions has not yet passed. For example, the party has not yet submitted its petition for New Jersey.<a href="/wiki/User:XavierGreen" title="User:XavierGreen">XavierGreen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XavierGreen" title="User talk:XavierGreen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-07-25T17:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span>Constitution Party Candidate in infobox question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question"></span>I'm not proposing we do this, but has there been any discussion on adding the Constitution Party candidate, Darrell Castle, once he attains ballot access to 270 electoral votes?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cax17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cax17 (page does not exist)">Cax17 </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cax17" title="User talk:Cax17">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z-Constitution_Party_Candidate_in_infobox_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-27T02:38:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cax17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cax17 (page does not exist)">Cax17</a>:</span> Yes. See <a href="/wiki/Talk:United_States_presidential_election,_2016/Archive_9#Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:United States presidential election, 2016/Archive 9">the archives</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-27T02:38:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-27T02:38:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-27T02:38:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:25:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span>Its also a small yet signifigant chance that the Party For Socialism and Liberation candidate may reach ballot access to 270 electoral college votes as well. Given the deadlines that have passed, it appears that the PSL and Constitution parties are the only ones that can feasibly still get to 270 ballot access.<a href="/wiki/User:XavierGreen" title="User:XavierGreen">XavierGreen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XavierGreen" title="User talk:XavierGreen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:25:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 29 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:25:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XavierGreen-2016-07-29T17:25:00.000Z-Cax17-2016-07-27T02:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clinton_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clinton_image-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clinton_image-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"></span>Clinton image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clinton_image-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span>Hi, we haven't discuss Clinton's photo yet, I would like to propose you one. What do you think about this image? Good, bad? thoughts? From my own perspective it looks far more better than the one we have right now. </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Proposed photo"><img alt="Proposed photo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/84px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="84" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/127px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg/169px-HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1644" data-file-height="2331"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Proposed photo</div> </li> </ul> <p>Thank you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Angelgfg12345" title="User:Angelgfg12345">User:Angelgfg12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Angelgfg12345" title="User:Angelgfg12345">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z-Clinton_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"></span>No. Enough with the photo changes. This is getting ridiculous. Leave the photos the way they are. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z-Angelgfg12345-2016-07-26T12:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-27T01:23:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z"></span>to be fair Majora, this was the photo chosen by all of us for use on this article, but as you know Gage Skidmore likes to forcefully use his pics in all articles related to entertainment and politics (with his byline)..I personally like this image much more cause she is looking towards the camera, not a sideview, its pathetic that it was changed from this to the current one without discussion..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"><a href="/wiki/User:Stemoc" title="User:Stemoc">Ste</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stemoc" title="User talk:Stemoc">moc</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Stemoc-2016-07-27T01:23:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stemoc-2016-07-27T01:23:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stemoc-2016-07-27T01:23:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-26T21:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span>I think we should move forward on changing it. <a href="/wiki/User:TexasMan34" title="User:TexasMan34">TexasMan34</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TexasMan34" title="User talk:TexasMan34">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z-Clinton_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z-Clinton_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-31T01:47:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span>This photo is better than the one being used. If I had my way, I'd crop it further to show just the face (repeat with the Johnson and Stein photos) and put it beside <a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_(5440393641)_closeup.jpg" title="File:Donald Trump (5440393641) closeup.jpg">this one of Trump</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:William_S._Saturn" title="User:William S. Saturn">William S. Saturn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_S._Saturn" title="User talk:William S. Saturn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-31T01:47:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-31T01:47:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_S._Saturn-2016-07-31T01:47:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Controversies_section?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Controversies_section?-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"><span id="Controversies_section.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Controversies_section?-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span>Controversies section?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Controversies_section?-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z-Controversies_section?"></span>What about creating <i>Controversies</i> section or something similar to that which will include alleged Russian hacking, Clinton controversies, Trump controversies etc.? Just a small description of controversial things that happened during the race. Or it can be included in Background category, I think this will be appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Itsyoungrapper" title="User:Itsyoungrapper">Itsyoungrapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsyoungrapper" title="User talk:Itsyoungrapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z-Controversies_section?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z-Controversies_section?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z-Controversies_section?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span>Controversies relevant to particular candidates can (and should) go on the candidates individual pages. Specifically, <a href="/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016">Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016</a> and <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016">Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016</a>. This page is more of a general overview of the election and shouldn't really go into specifics like that (in my opinion). --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-199.119.232.216-2016-07-30T04:22:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z"></span>Hmmmm. But what of the verbal sparring and Trump's trash-talking the Clinton supporters, or the "Jill not Hill" chanting? To have in candidate pages might be redundant; or alternatively, to put here might be a summery of what may be lengthy stuff in such pages, but somewhat relevant here.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.119.232.216" title="Special:Contributions/199.119.232.216">199.119.232.216</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:199.119.232.216" title="User talk:199.119.232.216">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-199.119.232.216-2016-07-30T04:22:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-199.119.232.216-2016-07-30T04:22:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-199.119.232.216-2016-07-30T04:22:00.000Z-Majora-2016-07-29T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span>Such content is doomed to recentism and wastes valuable editing resources. I suggest making note of prominent or enduring events on a sub-talkpage somewhere and then after the election we could add a sentence or two (not an entire section) about anything that proves to be significant or determinative in retrospect. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sparkie82" title="User:Sparkie82"><span style="color:#333333;">Sparkie82</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sparkie82" title="User talk:Sparkie82"><span style="color:#666666;">t</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sparkie82" title="Special:Contributions/Sparkie82"><span style="color:#666666;">c</span></a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-07-29T15:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:51:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z"></span>Speaking of Controversies, I personally have some conspiracy theories going in my head. What if, after all this time, Trump is supporting Clinton and all of his stupid remarks/attacks/controversial conspiracy theory is just to help her win the election? And he is doing his part eliminating other candidates from the GOP in order to make way for the Democrats to win. Remember his statement in 2008 saying "She's fit for president"? It's my opinion though.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:51:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:51:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:51:00.000Z-Sparkie82-2016-07-31T00:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Finalization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Finalization-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Finalization-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z"></span>Finalization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Finalization-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z-Finalization"></span>Hi All, </p><p>As previously suggested, I have moved the Swing states section entirely onto this page. If there are any suggestions for improvement, please feel free to express them. Also with the user's request, the "Pundits' Projections" are now in a new section; however, it does seem like it needs some polishing. If it could be linked to one of the other pages, it may look more professional under a different umbrealla. In addition, I would also like to a stronger or more accurate name for the section regarding the states' ratings. Thank you! </p><p>Rhea <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rep.donsman456&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rep.donsman456 (page does not exist)">Rep.donsman456</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rep.donsman456" title="User talk:Rep.donsman456">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rep.donsman456" title="Special:Contributions/Rep.donsman456">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Rep.donsman456-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z-Finalization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z-Finalization"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rep.donsman456-2016-08-03T03:20:00.000Z-Finalization"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ballot_Access" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ballot_Access-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ballot_Access-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"></span>Ballot Access<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ballot_Access-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z-Ballot_Access"></span>Could whoever keeps adding ballot access without valid sources PLEASE stop? Just because we turn in petitions does NOT mean we have ballot access there. Secretary of State has to announce it. Green Party has NOT gained ballot access in Pennsylvania, Missouri, Nebraska or New Jersey. Those are all pending, unless you can cite the campaign itself or the secretary of state. The New Jersey citations are UNOFFICIAL. Secretary of States can invalidate signatures. Libertarians are NOT on the ballot in Pennsylvania, New York or New Jersey. Blog and c-list news citations do not count - they're just talking about filing petitions. Filing a ton of signatures makes it more likely, but it is not confirmed. Gloria LaRiva, Rocky DeLa Fuente, Monica Moorehead and Darrel Castle also need to have their New Jersey access removed from this page until further confirmed. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614" title="Special:Contributions/2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614">2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z-Ballot_Access" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z-Ballot_Access"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z-Ballot_Access"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"></span>You are wrong, the petitions submitted in New Jersey are valid unless challenged. Richard Winger is the premier expert witness in ballot access law cases in the country, he is the editor of Ballot Access News. Ballot Access News is a printed publication and thus a valid source.<a href="/wiki/User:XavierGreen" title="User:XavierGreen">XavierGreen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XavierGreen" title="User talk:XavierGreen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z-2601:283:8300:A75A:4113:9F4F:AFDD:5614-2016-08-03T03:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T15:19:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Winger and Ballot Access News certainly are valid, high quality sources. However, Winger himself is careful to distinguish between submitting a valid petition and obtaining ballot access, since even a "valid" petition might be disqualified. Reports of ballot access for minor parties need to be based on sources that say precisely that the party has ballot access, not merely that they are certain or likely to do so. I haven't looked to see if there's a problem, but it's reasonable for the IP editor above to bring it up if they believe there is one. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T15:19:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T15:19:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T15:19:00.000Z-XavierGreen-2016-08-03T04:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ballot_Access_Table" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Ballot Access Table<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p>I am proposing to place in a ballot access table for all parties that have access to over 50 electoral votes. Please reply about any ideas or concerns about this. An unfinished prototype is available below to update and edit. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WaunaKeegan11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WaunaKeegan11 (page does not exist)">WaunaKeegan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WaunaKeegan11" title="User talk:WaunaKeegan11">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WaunaKeegan11" title="Special:Contributions/WaunaKeegan11">contribs</a>) 22:24, August 2, 2016 (UTC)</span></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Ballot_access_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ballot_access_2-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ballot_access_2-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Ballot access<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ballot_access_2-Ballot_Access_Table-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <table class="wikitable collapsible collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Democratic Party">Democratic Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Republican Party">Republican Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Libertarian_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Libertarian Party">Libertarian Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Green_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Green Party">Green Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Constitution_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Constitution Party">Constitution Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;">American Delta Party </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/America%27s_Party" title="America's Party">America's Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Reform_Party" class="mw-disambig" title="Reform Party">Reform Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation" title="Party for Socialism and Liberation">Party for Socialism and Liberation</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/American_Independent_Party" title="American Independent Party">American Independent Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Peace_and_Freedom_Party" title="Peace and Freedom Party">Peace and Freedom Party</a> </th> <th style="text-align:center;">Other Parties </th></tr> <tr> <th>States </th> <td align="center"><b>50</b> <small>(and DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>50</b> <small>(and DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>39</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>26</b> <small>(and DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>19</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>10</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>2</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>4</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>5</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>1</b> <small>(and DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>1</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td> <td align="center"><b>11</b> <small>(NOT DC)</small> </td></tr> <tr> <th>Electoral votes </th> <td align="center"><b>538</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>538</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>433</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>409</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>175</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>538</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>538</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>538</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>527</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>503</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>514</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>370</b> </td></tr> <tr> <th>% of population (EVs) </th> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td> <td align="center"><b>-</b> </td></tr> <tr style="border-top:2px solid #a9a9a9;"> <td><a href="/wiki/Alabama" title="Alabama">Alabama</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="51">On ballot </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="51">On ballot </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;" rowspan="2">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Alaska" title="Alaska">Alaska</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Arizona" title="Arizona">Arizona</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="4">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Arkansas" title="Arkansas">Arkansas</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/California" title="California">California</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Colorado" title="Colorado">Colorado</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Connecticut" title="Connecticut">Connecticut</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Delaware" title="Delaware">Delaware</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="7">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Florida" title="Florida">Florida</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)" title="Georgia (U.S. state)">Georgia</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Hawaii" title="Hawaii">Hawaii</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Idaho" title="Idaho">Idaho</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Illinois" title="Illinois">Illinois</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Indiana" title="Indiana">Indiana</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Iowa" title="Iowa">Iowa</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Kansas" title="Kansas">Kansas</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Kentucky" title="Kentucky">Kentucky</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Louisiana" title="Louisiana">Louisiana</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="3">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Maine" title="Maine">Maine</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Maryland" title="Maryland">Maryland</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Massachusetts" title="Massachusetts">Massachusetts</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Michigan" title="Michigan">Michigan</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Minnesota" title="Minnesota">Minnesota</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Mississippi" title="Mississippi">Mississippi</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="5">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Missouri" title="Missouri">Missouri</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Montana" title="Montana">Montana</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Nebraska" title="Nebraska">Nebraska</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Nevada" title="Nevada">Nevada</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/New_Hampshire" title="New Hampshire">New Hampshire</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/New_Jersey" title="New Jersey">New Jersey</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="5">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/New_Mexico" title="New Mexico">New Mexico</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/New_York_(state)" title="New York (state)">New York</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/North_Carolina" title="North Carolina">North Carolina</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/North_Dakota" title="North Dakota">North Dakota</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Ohio" title="Ohio">Ohio</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Oklahoma" title="Oklahoma">Oklahoma</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="3">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Oregon" title="Oregon">Oregon</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Pennsylvania" title="Pennsylvania">Pennsylvania</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Rhode_Island" title="Rhode Island">Rhode Island</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/South_Carolina" title="South Carolina">South Carolina</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="6">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/South_Dakota" title="South Dakota">South Dakota</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Tennessee" title="Tennessee">Tennessee</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Texas" title="Texas">Texas</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Utah" title="Utah">Utah</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Vermont" title="Vermont">Vermont</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Virginia" title="Virginia">Virginia</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;" rowspan="2">In-Progress </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Washington_(U.S._state)" class="mw-redirect" title="Washington (U.S. state)">Washington</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/West_Virginia" title="West Virginia">West Virginia</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#88ee88;" rowspan="3">On ballot </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wisconsin" title="Wisconsin">Wisconsin</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wyoming" title="Wyoming">Wyoming</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/District_of_Columbia" class="mw-redirect" title="District of Columbia">District of Columbia</a> </td> <td style="text-align:center; background:#FFE135;">In-Progress </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li><b>Oppose</b> as unnecessary, clunky, and not to mention a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COLOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COLOR">WP:COLOR</a>. And also, blatantly wrong. The Democratic Party is on the ballet in every state. As is the Republican Party. Also, please sign your posts. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-02T23:03:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> As much as a lot of people would wish that the Democrats/Republicans weren't on the ballot, they both are in every state & DC. This incorrect info, and the above makes me oppose this. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-02T23:03:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-02T23:03:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-02T23:03:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:29:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> both because it's a giant ugly thing that's both redundant and inferior to material in the article already, and because it's more or less comprehensively wrong. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:29:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:29:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:29:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-02T22:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-04T15:05:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1232521257"><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> </div> </div> <p>The table is incorrect as it isn't finished. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WaunaKeegan11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WaunaKeegan11 (page does not exist)">WaunaKeegan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WaunaKeegan11" title="User talk:WaunaKeegan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-04T15:05:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-04T15:05:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-04T15:05:00.000Z-Ballot_access_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map" data-mw-thread-id="h-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Libertarian Ballot Access Map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map"></span>What are the sources on the current Libertarian ballot access map? Because the official LP site still has only 36 states listed and several of the states currently on the article map (Pennsylvania, New York, among others) are not on the official party map. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.27.101.171" title="Special:Contributions/50.27.101.171">50.27.101.171</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.27.101.171" title="User talk:50.27.101.171">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z-Libertarian_Ballot_Access_Map"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-05T16:42:00.000Z-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"></span>I would also like to see explicit sourcing for this - and for the Green Party map and numbers as well. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-05T16:42:00.000Z-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 5 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-05T16:42:00.000Z-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-05T16:42:00.000Z-50.27.101.171-2016-08-05T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Incumbents" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incumbents-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Incumbents-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Incumbents<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Incumbents-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z-Incumbents"></span>I do believe we should reverse that edit, which made Trump first. He is generally losing in the polling averages, as well as the betting and prediction markets! And, besides, some on the other page's discussion forum had decided that incumbency would determine the order as a tie-breaker, until the real results came out. </p><p>Thanks for your consideration! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.246.89.125" title="Special:Contributions/24.246.89.125">24.246.89.125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.246.89.125" title="User talk:24.246.89.125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z-Incumbents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z-Incumbents"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z-Incumbents"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T15:57:00.000Z-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"></span>It looks like that change has already been reverted. This has already been discussed multiple times here, and indeed there is broad support for using incumbency as a tiebreaker. For the record, I agree with that conclusion. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T15:57:00.000Z-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T15:57:00.000Z-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T15:57:00.000Z-24.246.89.125-2016-08-06T15:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search" data-mw-thread-id="h-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"></span>Biased Image Result on Google Search<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-06T21:38:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235681985">.mw-parser-output .side-box{margin:4px 0;box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #aaa;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);display:flow-root}.mw-parser-output .side-box-abovebelow,.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{padding:0.25em 0.9em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-image{padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-imageright{padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .side-box-flex{display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{flex:1;min-width:0}}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .side-box{width:238px}.mw-parser-output .side-box-right{clear:right;float:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-left{margin-right:1em}}</style><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">Lets not speculate on how Google does things. Wikipedia has <i>zero</i> control over what Google displays. If you have a problem with them you have to contact them. Closing this as it is pointless to keep open. Contact Google. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-06T21:38:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-06T21:38:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-06T21:38:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>Set first image or Title Image to a generic Election of 2016 Title Image. When you search in google "When is the next election", currently first thing you see is picture of Hillary. This to some creates bias and should be reviewed to either show a generic election image or show all up for election. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ryanarp&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ryanarp (page does not exist)">Ryanarp</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryanarp&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ryanarp (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ryanarp" title="Special:Contributions/Ryanarp">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"></span>I suggest a complaint should be sent to Google (you notice that they are ignoring the actual very first image, which is the US flag. What makes you think if we put a generic image, they will really show that instead?). Editorial decisions here on NOT made based on how others reuse Wikipedia's content. The current consensus is that the candidate from the defending incumbent party is listed first. <a href="/wiki/User:Zzyzx11" title="User:Zzyzx11">Zzyzx11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzyzx11" title="User talk:Zzyzx11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z-Ryanarp-2016-08-06T16:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z"></span>I'm having trouble posting around some obnoxious edit filter, so hope this goes through: the Clinton image actually is fetched first (see "view source" in your browser, not the wikicode). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T17:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z"></span>Whether or not the first image is declared/fetched first, or automatically rendered by an <a href="/wiki/MOS:INFOBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INFOBOX">infobox template</a>, my point still stands: editorial decisions here should NOT be made based on how Google or others reuse Wikipedia's content. <a href="/wiki/User:Zzyzx11" title="User:Zzyzx11">Zzyzx11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzyzx11" title="User talk:Zzyzx11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T17:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T18:22:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z"></span>Oh, yes indeed. I'm personally disappointed with Google for getting this wrong, but that's nothing to do with Wikipedia. I was simply offering a technical point about how they are screwing it up. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T18:22:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T18:22:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-06T18:22:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2016-08-06T18:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-06T21:35:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span>To the best of my knowlege, Google looks for <i>faces</i> in an article and if it finds one, it will show it. Showing a generic image will only clutter the article itself while you will still see Clinton's face on Google. Besides, Wikipedia's purpuse is to build an encyclopedia, not make sure Google results are unbiased. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-06T21:35:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-06T21:35:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-06T21:35:00.000Z-Biased_Image_Result_on_Google_Search"></span> </p> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trump_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trump_image-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trump_image-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z"></span>Trump image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trump_image-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span>I changed the picture of Trump from the current one to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_J._Trump.jpg">this one</a> but was reverted. The reason is simply to have a different picture from the one we currently have in the <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a> page, just like we're using <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_(crop2).jpg">this one</a> for Clinton and not <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_official_Secretary_of_State_portrait_crop.jpg">this one</a>. Is there a particular reason to keep using the same picture here and in the Trump article ? I just find a bit dull to use always the same photo. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z-Trump_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-07-31T19:01:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span>The picture that you proposed was rejected, that's the reason why we reverted <a href="/wiki/User:TexasMan34" title="User:TexasMan34">TexasMan34</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TexasMan34" title="User talk:TexasMan34">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-Trump_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span>Still, I find it somewhat boring to see always the same photo. Wouldn't <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg">this one</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg">this one</a> or <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg">this one</a> be suitable ? <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 1 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z"></span>It itsn't about which picture you like, we have to use picture where we show how Trump really looks like, the picture should have high quality, show him in neutral position where he doesn't have opened mouth and where he (if it's possible) looks directly to the camera. Image of Clinton on her article is used because there's consensus on Wikipedia that we will the most current official picture, in case of Clinton - that is from 2009. Unfortunately, for Trump we don't have any official picture we could use because he hasn't held public office (yet). The image that is currently being used is from 2015 and shows him in neutral light. If he's elected, Wikipedia will use official image of his presidency published by the White House on article page and this picture that is currently being used will stay, unless someone brings better where consensus will be reached. <a href="/wiki/User:Itsyoungrapper" title="User:Itsyoungrapper">Itsyoungrapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Itsyoungrapper" title="User talk:Itsyoungrapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-01T06:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T07:42:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z"></span>It isn't about a picture I, personally, "like", it's just about having a little variety. The quality of the pictures I showed is pretty much the same than the current one's, IMHO.</dd> <dd>I wasn't thinking about neutrality - I'm not an American citizen so my opinion on the US election has no importance whatsoever - but, yes, as Squidhomme has mentioned below, having a picture of Clinton smiling and one of Trump looking grumpy is, indeed, "far from neutral-lighted". <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T07:42:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T07:42:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T07:42:00.000Z-Itsyoungrapper-2016-08-01T20:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span>I think we should search for a Trump image that meets the specifications as <a href="/wiki/User:Itsyoungrapper" title="User:Itsyoungrapper">Itsyoungrapper</a> described. The current one looks grumpy and far from being 'neutral - lighted'. It's my opinion, though.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z"></span>There are countless images out there that would probably be suitable but very few that are licensed under something we can use. Remember, images here must be free use. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-01T22:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z"></span>I love the ones in which Trump's lips resembles the "F-word". Is that possible if we pin it here?—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-01T23:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z"></span>I like the "<a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_February_2016.jpg" title="File:Donald Trump February 2016.jpg">shit</a>" one better :P its impossible to get this guy a perfect image, he just makes ugly faces even when his mouth is not moving, a bit like that other republican, scott walker.. --<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"><a href="/wiki/User:Stemoc" title="User:Stemoc">Ste</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stemoc" title="User talk:Stemoc">moc</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T03:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z"></span>I think the reason why he can't keep his mouth shut is to hide the fact that he keeps making ugly faces even when his lips shut. Oh I think you meant the other 'Republicans' he invited to RNC, Scott Baio.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z-Stemoc-2016-08-02T08:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T12:18:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z"></span>What do you think of the four ones below ? <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T12:18:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T12:18:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T12:18:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T08:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Possible other photos"><img alt="Possible other photos" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg/81px-Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg" decoding="async" width="81" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg/121px-Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg/162px-Donald_Trump_Phoenix_2016.jpg 2x" data-file-width="946" data-file-height="1403"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Possible other photos</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/80px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/120px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/160px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 2x" data-file-width="836" data-file-height="1254"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg/85px-Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg" decoding="async" width="85" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg/127px-Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg/169px-Donald_Trump_August_2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1673" data-file-height="2369"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg/80px-Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg/120px-Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg/160px-Donald_Trump_2016_02_cropped.jpg 2x" data-file-width="450" data-file-height="676"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_August_2015_(edit).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Same as Portrait 3, only edited for comparability with other photos that may appear alongside this image in the infobox."><img alt="Same as Portrait 3, only edited for comparability with other photos that may appear alongside this image in the infobox." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg/80px-Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg/120px-Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg/160px-Donald_Trump_August_2015_%28edit%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1580" data-file-height="2369"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><small>Same as Portrait 3, only edited for comparability with other photos that may appear alongside this image in the infobox.</small></div> </li> </ul> <dl><dd>No source is given for portrait 1. <a href="/wiki/User:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Abjiklam">Abjiklɐm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Abjiklam">tɐlk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-07-31T21:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T14:57:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span>Well, it's sourced as "own work" by <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gage">Gage</a>, i.e., Gage Skidmore, who also took portraits 3 and 4. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T14:57:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T14:57:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T14:57:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Abjiklam">Abjiklam</a>:</span> Portrait 1 is derived from <a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_(27151694053).jpg" title="File:Donald Trump (27151694053).jpg">this image</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T14:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. Portraits 1 and 5 are not admissible because they are photoshopped. Only unaltered pictures (except cropping obviously) should be used for portraits. <a href="/wiki/User:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Abjiklam">Abjiklɐm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abjiklam" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Abjiklam">tɐlk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T19:23:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z"></span>Pic #2 is better. I'll pick the #2 if this is a vote.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T19:23:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T19:23:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T19:23:00.000Z-Abjiklam-2016-08-02T16:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span>I'll go with #2, also. <a href="/wiki/User:TexasMan34" title="User:TexasMan34">TexasMan34</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TexasMan34" title="User talk:TexasMan34">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z-Trump_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span>None of them are better than the current photo. Why is it being left out as an option? There was just a discussion on altering photos and they are not allowed except cropping. <a href="/wiki/User:TL565" title="User:TL565">TL565</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TL565" title="User talk:TL565">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z"></span>The current one looks grumpy and his eyes aren't directed to the camera. Making impression of his evil side, in contrast of smiles and cheerful impressions in Clinton's picture. Besides, the resolution is awful.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z-TL565-2016-08-02T20:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T21:49:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z"></span>I personally prefer #2 and #4. I don't have any issues with the resolution of the current photo, but I agree with SquidHomme about the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> problem : if the article shows candidate A smiling it shouldn't show candidate B looking grumpy, as it gives the impression that we favor A. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T21:49:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T21:49:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-02T21:49:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-02T20:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span>I support the current image, rather than any of the proposed images, for two reasons: personal preference and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. None of the proposed photos are compatible with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z-Trump_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z"></span>Why ? Or rather, why is the current one <u>more</u> compatible with WP:NPOV ? <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-02T21:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z"></span>He is making a neutral face in the current photo. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> doesn't always have to mean smiles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T12:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z"></span>It doesn't always to mean smiles, but it must always mean neutrality. Neutrality here doesn't mean the face looking neutral, but avoiding bias toward one candidate.—<b><a href="/wiki/User:SquidHomme" title="User:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #FF8C00">Squid</span><span style="color: green">Homme</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SquidHomme" title="User talk:SquidHomme"><span style="color: #F00;">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T13:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z"></span>He's not really making a neutral face in the current photo. He looks grumpy, especially when compared to Clinton's large smile. A casual reader, when looking at this page, will probably think that wikipedia is trying to convey the impression that "Clinton=good" and "Trump=bad". <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z-SquidHomme-2016-08-03T13:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z"></span>Images 3 and 4 are worse. There's something else non-neutral about Image 2. Image 1 does not show Trump's eyes. We should leave things the way they are until we find an image of Trump that does not raise any concerns. --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T13:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span>Precisely, IMHO the current photo <i>does</i> raise concerns - at least on this page - more so than image 2. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z"></span>Using the proposed photo beside Clinton would still raise the same concerns:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1247979735"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1152813436"><table class="infobox ib-election infobox-table vevent"><caption class="infobox-title summary">United States presidential election, 2016</caption><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-subheader"><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/50px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/75px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/100px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/></span></span></span><hr/></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-subheader"><table style="width:100%; margin:1px; display:inline-table;"><tbody><tr> <td style="text-align:left; vertical-align:middle; padding:0 0.5em 0 0;width:20%;" class="noprint">← <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2012">2012</a></td> <td style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle;; padding:0 1px;width:60%;" class=""><b>November 8, 2016</b></td> <td style="text-align:right; vertical-align:middle;; padding:0 0 0 0.5em;width:20%;" class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2020"><i>2020</i></a> →</td> </tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><hr/>538 members of the <a href="/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)" class="mw-redirect" title="Electoral College (United States)">Electoral College</a><br/>270 electoral votes needed to win</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"> <table style="background:transparent; color: inherit; width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #3333FF;"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/135px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="135" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/202px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/270px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1392" data-file-height="2064"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #E81B23;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/133px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" decoding="async" width="133" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/200px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/266px-Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 2x" data-file-width="836" data-file-height="1254"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Nominee </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><b>Hillary Clinton Image</b> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><b>Donald Trump Image</b> </td> <td style="text-align:center"> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Party </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic</a> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)">Republican</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="4"><hr/> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #FED105;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/140px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg" decoding="async" width="140" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/210px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg/281px-Gary_Johnson_June_2016.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1670" data-file-height="2380"/></a></span> </td> <td class="notheme" style="text-align:center;border-bottom: 6px solid #17aa5c;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/134px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg" decoding="async" width="134" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/201px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/267px-Jill_Stein_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2408" data-file-height="3600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Nominee </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><b>Gary Johnson Image</b> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><b>Jill Stein Image</b> </td> <td style="text-align:center"> </td></tr> <tr> <th style="width:75px;text-align:left">Party </th> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)" title="Libertarian Party (United States)">Libertarian</a> </td> <td style="width:75px;text-align:center"><a href="/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States" title="Green Party of the United States">Green</a> </td></tr> </tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T21:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T22:37:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z"></span>If I'm not mistaken, the proposed Clinton photo is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HRC_in_Iowa_APR_2015_(crop2).jpg">this one</a> : I juste made a test with Trump photo # 2 and I find it better than what we have now. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T22:37:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T22:37:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-03T22:37:00.000Z-Proud_User-2016-08-03T22:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span>How about this one? </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_(5440393641)_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="proposed photo"><img alt="proposed photo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/87px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="87" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/130px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/174px-Donald_Trump_%285440393641%29_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1319" data-file-height="1819"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">proposed photo</div> </li> </ul> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:TexasMan34" title="User:TexasMan34">TexasMan34</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TexasMan34" title="User talk:TexasMan34">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z-Trump_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z-Trump_image"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-08T12:24:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z"></span>Not bad at all : it's definitely more neutral than the current one. Maybe it would be clearer with a formal vote, like we did for Clinton. <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User:Jean-Jacques Georges">Jean-Jacques Georges</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Jacques_Georges" title="User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-08T12:24:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-08T12:24:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jean-Jacques_Georges-2016-08-08T12:24:00.000Z-TexasMan34-2016-08-08T04:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rocky_De_La_Fuente" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rocky_De_La_Fuente-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rocky_De_La_Fuente-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Rocky De La Fuente<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rocky_De_La_Fuente-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span>I believe Rocky De La Fuente should be removed from candidates. My removing him from the campaign finance table was reverted as he is still listed as a candidate for the American Delta Party. However, this is a party he founded as a vehicle for his own candidacy.<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> He has since registered as a candidate in the <a href="/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States Senate election in Florida, 2016">2016 Senate election in Florida</a>. <sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-13"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-14"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> His campaign website is solely focused on the Senate campaign and describes his presidential candidacy in the past tense. He does not appear to be actively campaigning for the presidency. <sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-15"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/User:Dbsseven" title="User:Dbsseven">Dbsseven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbsseven" title="User talk:Dbsseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:41:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Mr. De La Fuente's campaign seems to be going strong according to the information I can find; e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/02/new-jersey-elections-office-receives-eight-petitions-for-president/">[4]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/02/libertarian-party-is-only-group-to-file-petition-for-president-in-new-york/">[5]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/02/seven-presidential-petitions-filed-in-arkansas/">[6]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/02/four-statewide-petitions-filed-in-pennsylvania/">[7]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/07/30/reform-party-postpones-choices-of-a-presidential-nominee-until-august-8/">[8]</a> and especially <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/02/nevada-says-rocky-de-la-fuente-has-enough-valid-signatures/">[9]</a>. He is, in fact, running for multiple offices under multiple party affiliations, but that doesn't disqualify him as a Presidential candidate. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:41:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:41:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-03T01:41:00.000Z-Dbsseven-2016-08-02T23:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:23:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1232521257"><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-12"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-12">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFBaker2016" class="citation news cs1">Baker, Deborah (8 July 2016). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.abqjournal.com/805191/rejected-prc-hopeful-nm-ballot-rules-unfair.html">"Politics Notebook: Rejected PRC hopeful says NM ballot rules unfair"</a>. 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Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2 August</span> 2016</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Rocky+2016&rft.atitle=Rocky+2016&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rocky2016.com%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3A2016+United+States+presidential+election%2FArchive+9" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>"Rocky" is as much a candidate as most of the others listed, if not moreso. He received nearly 70 thousand votes in the primary and thanks to his lawsuit winnings, he's got more than enough money to burn. If we list the Nutrition party, then why not him?<a href="/wiki/User:Arglebargle79" title="User:Arglebargle79">Arglebargle79</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arglebargle79" title="User talk:Arglebargle79">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:23:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:23:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:23:00.000Z-Rocky_De_La_Fuente"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> Rocky De La Fuente is now the nominee of the Reform Party (Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/09/reform-party-nominates-rocky-de-la-fuente-for-president/">http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/09/reform-party-nominates-rocky-de-la-fuente-for-president/</a>). </p><p>Please update this article accordingly. Thank you. </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51">2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_August_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-09T22:23:00.000Z-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>--<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-09T22:23:00.000Z-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-09T22:23:00.000Z-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-09T22:23:00.000Z-2600:1003:B845:32DC:B081:535C:7B0B:DE51-2016-08-09T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The Better for America petition in Arkansas has been officially accepted; see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/10/better-for-america-petition-in-arkansas-is-valid/">http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/10/better-for-america-petition-in-arkansas-is-valid/</a> . Therefore, please list them in the <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Other_third_parties_and_independents" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">Other third parties and independents</a> section as having access to six electoral votes. Please note also that they have <i>not</i> declared a Presidential candidate there yet - they will almost certainly nominate Evan McMullin, but this has not yet happened and he should not yet be listed as the candidate. Thank you. </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-11T19:28:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User">Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Proud_User-2016-08-11T19:28:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Proud_User-2016-08-11T19:28:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Proud_User-2016-08-11T19:28:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T03:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> I hate to use an edit request to request a revert, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election%2C_2016&type=revision&diff=734048678&oldid=734046129">this edit</a> which claims to "update" the Libertarian ballot access numbers is pure wishful thinking. Compare it with the Libertarian Party's official ballot access statement <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map">[10]</a> and note that, in particular neither the LP nor the Johnson/Weld ticket yet has access in Ohio <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/10/three-presidential-candidates-file-petitions-in-ohio-evan-mcmullin-is-not-among-them/">[11]</a>. Therefore, please change this to use the previous count; better yet, use the map found on the Libertarian Party website above, since the older count here also seems to be wishful thinking. Thank you. </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span>Not a semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016_2-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span>This is separate from the above since it isn't a specific request to change one thing to another, but I strongly suggest verifying both the the Libertarian and Green Party ballot access numbers against a good source. The best summary for the greens is at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gp.org/ballotaccess">http://www.gp.org/ballotaccess</a> with a similar map at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access">http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access</a> ; the best one for the LP is <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map">https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map</a> , and neither of the counts in this article agrees with those. If a state is added here that isn't on one of those maps, a specific source should be provided for it; that is required already but it ought to be enforced. There is way too much wishful thinking in the current numbers. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z-Not_a_semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_August_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Topher385-2016-08-20T15:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span>If you can provide the exact changes that you think should be made along with a reliable source to verify it, then someone will be glad to change it for you. <a href="/wiki/User:Topher385" title="User:Topher385">Topher385</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Topher385" title="User talk:Topher385">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Topher385-2016-08-20T15:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Topher385-2016-08-20T15:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Topher385-2016-08-20T15:22:00.000Z-64.105.98.115-2016-08-11T22:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party"-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"><span id="Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_.22Green-Rainbow_Party.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party"-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Massachusetts refers to Green Party as "Green-Rainbow Party"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party"-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party""></span>Massachusetts refers to the Green Party as the "Green-Rainbow Party" and should be referred to that way in the Green Party Pages. </p><p>It is stated this in both the <a href="/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States" title="Green Party of the United States">Green Party of the United States</a> as well as the <a href="/wiki/Green-Rainbow_Party" title="Green-Rainbow Party">Green-Rainbow Party</a> Wikipedia pages. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Tho97" title="User:Tho97">Travis H. O.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tho97" title="User talk:Tho97">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z-Massachusetts_refers_to_Green_Party_as_"Green-Rainbow_Party""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-13T02:04:00.000Z-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Actually, a fair number of the state Green Party affiliates officially go by variant names like this. So do many of the Constitution Party affiliates, and the Minnesota Democratic Party affiliate is officially the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. If the article mentions any of these naming variations, it should mention all of them, or not devote space to any of them. I personally vote for not mentioning it here. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-13T02:04:00.000Z-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-13T02:04:00.000Z-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-13T02:04:00.000Z-Tho97-2016-08-12T22:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evan_McMullin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evan_McMullin-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evan_McMullin-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Evan_McMullin" title="Evan McMullin">Evan McMullin</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evan_McMullin-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin"></span>The #NeverTrump group <a href="/wiki/Better_for_America" title="Better for America">Better for America</a> (the same group that attempted to recruit Ben Sasse and David French) has just announced Evan McMullin as their chosen candidate. Better for America currently has no ballot access anywhere, so McMullin doesn't currently qualify for a listing on his own merits, but should this candidacy be mentioned in relation to Trump? I'm starting a preemptive discussion, because editors will be adding his name in good faith and a consensus about this will help. So, opinions? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115" title="Special:Contributions/64.105.98.115">64.105.98.115</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.105.98.115" title="User talk:64.105.98.115">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-64.105.98.115-2016-08-08T16:11:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"><span id="Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Evan McMullin be added to the List?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2016">United States presidential election, 2016</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I wish to add or see Evan McMullin added to the list of candidates running for President of the United States. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zorseman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zorseman (page does not exist)">Zorseman</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zorseman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Zorseman (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z-Evan_McMullin_be_added_to_the_List?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> please provide <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that support the change you want to be made. See inclusion criteria as well. <a href="/wiki/User:EvergreenFir" title="User:EvergreenFir"><b><span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EvergreenFir" title="User talk:EvergreenFir">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z-Zorseman-2016-08-08T17:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z"></span>Please add McMullin. He's been on all three cable news networks and is going to be on all the sunday talk shows. That means he's recognized. <a href="/wiki/User:Arglebargle79" title="User:Arglebargle79">Arglebargle79</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arglebargle79" title="User talk:Arglebargle79">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z-EvergreenFir-2016-08-08T18:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z"></span>So are <a href="/wiki/Ken_Fields" title="Ken Fields">Ken Fields</a>, <a href="/wiki/Zoltan_Istvan" title="Zoltan Istvan">Zoltan Istvan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Terry_Jones_(pastor)" title="Terry Jones (pastor)">Terry Jones (pastor)</a>, and a whole lot others. You can find these people including McMullin over at <a href="/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016" class="mw-redirect" title="United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2016">United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2016</a>. If McMullin is confirmed to have gained ballot access in at least one state, then he will be added here. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z"></span>Right now Better for America has ballot access pending in Arkansas <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/08/better-for-america-finds-a-presidential-nominee/">[12]</a>; that's likely to be his first state if it gets approved. <a href="/wiki/User:Antony-22" title="User:Antony-22">Antony–<i><b>22</b></i></a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antony-22" title="User talk:Antony-22">talk</a></sup>⁄<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Antony-22" title="Special:Contributions/Antony-22">contribs</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-09T23:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span>Better for America has been validated for the Arkansas ballot <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ballot-access.org/2016/08/10/better-for-america-petition-in-arkansas-is-valid/">[13]</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ariostos" title="User:Ariostos">Ariostos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ariostos" title="User talk:Ariostos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z-Antony-22-2016-08-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-11T02:44:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span>He announced that he was running Independent though so I am not sure how this will work out. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-11T02:44:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-11T02:44:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-11T02:44:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:48:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span>Many of the key people in his campaign team are from Better for America, but I don't believe McMullin himself has made any statements linking himself to the group. I know some people here would like a harder link beforehand, so we might just have to wait for a more formal announcement. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ariostos" title="User:Ariostos">Ariostos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ariostos" title="User talk:Ariostos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:48:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:48:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:48:00.000Z-Ariostos-2016-08-11T02:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="See_also_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_also_section-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-See_also_section-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span>See also section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-See_also_section-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T23:06:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1250141580"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235681985"><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">I'm withdrawing my "Keep" !vote and deferring to <a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> on the point of this specific article in See Also; I have a better idea for how to resolve. <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LavaBaron" title="User talk:LavaBaron">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T23:06:00.000Z-See_also_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T23:06:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T23:06:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>Is linking to a conspiracy theory article in this article appropriate? I really don't think so. I removed it, I was reverted. So a discussion is necessary. Seems so incredibly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> on this article. Remember, this article is going to be viewed millions of times in the next few months. To have that link on here makes it seem like Wikipedia is encouraging these conspiracy theories against a major party candidate. Not only that, it makes it seem like Wikipedia is one sided against one candidate. Completely inappropriate link in my opinion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z-See_also_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z-See_also_section"></span> </p> <ul><li><del><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b></del> LOL - which candidate? <a href="/w/index.php?title=Trump_plant_theory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Trump plant theory (page does not exist)">It's a ridiculous tin-foil hat idea that paints both Trump and Clinton in a negative light for those dumb enough to believe it.</a> Nonetheless, it's important because it was so heavily covered in RS during the campaign that it became a central element in the cultural milieux. As per our policies <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ALSO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ALSO">WP:ALSO</a> the See Also links <i>might be only indirectly related to the topic</i> because one purpose of "See Also" <i>is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics</i>. The only restrictions to "See Also" - as per ALSO - are in the case of (a) completely unrelated topics, (b) redlink articles, (c) articles that are already wikilinked in the article, or, (d) articles of supplementary importance provided the See Also section has become long and unwieldy. You need to make a case it violates one of these, not just vaguely defame the GF of other editors. (But, it sounds like what you really want to do is AfD the article but don't think it will pass so are trying to orphan it instead. Right?) <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LavaBaron" title="User talk:LavaBaron">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span>I already gave you a policy link. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a>. You want a guideline link too? Fine. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a>. We do not give undue weight to fringe ideas. Putting that link in this page gives it undue weight simply by the sheer number of views this page gets. And you really need to get a hold of yourself. I did not "defame your good faith". I don't want to AfD anything. If you can't discuss matters you are involved in without flying off the handle, leave them to other people who work very hard to keep these political articles neutral. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T19:09:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z"></span>Whoa, calm down! First, the article in question is, itself, a neutral article, so NPOV doesn't apply. Second, FRINGE doesn't apply here as it refers to fringe ideas perpetuated by fringe sources. (BTW - you can't just slap up a steamer trunk of policy links without quoting relevant text, silly! Like this: as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ALSO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ALSO">WP:ALSO</a> See Also links <i>might be only indirectly related to the topic</i> because one purpose of "See Also" <i>is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics</i>.)</dd> <dd>Secondly, paranoia and fringe conspiracy are central to U.S. politics as an element of collective American mental psychosis. Read Hofstadter's formative academic work "<a href="/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics" title="The Paranoid Style in American Politics">The Paranoid Style in American Politics</a>", for instance. Cataloging and linking incidences like these is sociologically crucial. It's not UNDUE when it's a central theme.</dd> <dd>Finally, I've been at the forefront of keeping political articles neutral, see my work on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Planned_presidential_transition_of_Donald_Trump" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Planned presidential transition of Donald Trump">stopping the Trump campaign from editing articles here</a>, my work creating the entire article <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 2020">United States presidential election, 2020</a>, my work stopping Cruzites from sanitizing the <a href="/wiki/Frank_Gaffney" title="Frank Gaffney">Frank Gaffney</a> article, and my extensive work composing bios of third-party candidates like <a href="/wiki/Peter_Skewes" title="Peter Skewes">Peter Skewes</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Chris_Keniston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Chris Keniston (page does not exist)">Chris Keniston</a>, so don't try to pretend you have a monopoly on working "very hard to keep these political articles neutral". It is condescending and insulting to those of us who are knee deep in it. <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LavaBaron" title="User talk:LavaBaron">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T19:09:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T19:09:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T19:09:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span>Remove</b> - We don't need fringe theories here per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a>. The Trump plant theory has shown to benefit Trump as it implies that the election is rigged in favor of Hillary. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z-Majora-2016-08-13T18:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z"></span>Well Jeb Bush says it benefits Clinton as it shows Trump is trying to undermine the GOP. La la la. <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LavaBaron" title="User talk:LavaBaron">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z"></span>In this crazy election it is better off not added in such a visible place as both sides are pointing at each other. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:55:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z"></span>Why? Democratization of information and maximizing access is a normative goal of WP. I'd like to hear <i>why</i> we're better off censoring it. American politics has been marked, for 100 years, by the psychotic and conspiratorial mindset of the American voter. Like it or not, this is part and parcel of it. We don't destroy knowledge because <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT">WP:IDONTLIKEIT</a>. We don't destroy knowledge because it's not pretty and reflects poorly on society. If American elections are ugly, we present them as ugly. Not our job to put garnish on a shit sandwich and make it look appetizing. <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LavaBaron" title="User talk:LavaBaron">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:55:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 13 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:55:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LavaBaron-2016-08-13T22:55:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2016-08-13T22:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"><span id="Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Criteria for putting third party candidates in the infobox?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span>I noticed that there were 2 third party candidates in the main infobox, but when I looked at the pages for previous elections, most of them just had the two candidates (other than the obvious ones like Ross Perot and Ralph Nader). </p><p>Will the two added candidates be deleted once the election is over (assuming they don't have any significant effect on the results)? Or have they already met the same criteria for inclusion that Nader and Perot have met? <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki_Lee_1999" title="User:Nikki Lee 1999">Nikki Lee 1999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki_Lee_1999" title="User talk:Nikki Lee 1999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majora-2016-08-07T19:35:00.000Z-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Nikki_Lee_1999" title="User:Nikki Lee 1999">Nikki Lee 1999</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Talk:United_States_presidential_election,_2016/Archive_9#Other_parties_which_could_achieve_ballot_access_to_270_electoral_votes" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:United States presidential election, 2016/Archive 9">The archives have the answer you seek</a>. They have a chance to win the election AKA 270 possible electoral votes. We can decide what to do with them after the election and the actual results are tabulated. But generally, if they don't get any electoral votes there is no reason to keep them in the infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Majora" title="User:Majora">Majora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majora" title="User talk:Majora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Majora-2016-08-07T19:35:00.000Z-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majora-2016-08-07T19:35:00.000Z-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majora-2016-08-07T19:35:00.000Z-Nikki_Lee_1999-2016-08-07T19:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span>I have heard around that candidates will be allowed in the infobox if they achieve over 5% of the popular vote. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghoul_flesh" title="User:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:red"><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><i><b>Ghoul flesh</b></i></span></span></a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Jack-o-lantern.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/20px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="14" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/30px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Jack-o-lantern.svg/40px-Jack-o-lantern.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1052" data-file-height="753"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghoul_flesh" title="User talk:Ghoul flesh"><span style="color:#32CD32"><i>talk</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z-Criteria_for_putting_third_party_candidates_in_the_infobox?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-08T20:09:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span>Prior to the election, candidates who have access to 270 electoral college votes or more are listed in the infobox. After the election, any candidate that achieves 5% of the popular vote (IE <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 1980">United States presidential election, 1980</a> or wins a state (IE <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948" class="mw-redirect" title="United States presidential election, 1948">United States presidential election, 1948</a>) is listed in the infobox. Given the ballot access deadlines that have already passed, most of the third parties not listed in the infobox do not have a chance at making 270 ballot access, though there are one or two (like the Constitution Party) which may make it. If any other candidate gets to 270 ballot access, they will be added to the infobox.<a href="/wiki/User:XavierGreen" title="User:XavierGreen">XavierGreen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XavierGreen" title="User talk:XavierGreen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-XavierGreen-2016-08-08T20:09:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 8 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-08T20:09:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XavierGreen-2016-08-08T20:09:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span>Harry Byrd won 1.5 states in 1960 and got 15 electoral votes and he's not on the infobox. Checking out the discussion going back at least a year, The criterion was anyone who was listed in major polls. Stein and Johnson are listed in all major polls. So until the election is over, when the article's going to be ripped to shreds and reconstituted like a pupa into a butterfly, let's leave it as is. <a href="/wiki/User:Arglebargle79" title="User:Arglebargle79">Arglebargle79</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arglebargle79" title="User talk:Arglebargle79">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z-Ghoul_flesh-2016-08-08T03:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:39:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z"></span>Harry Byrd isn't included in 1960 because unpledged electors are considered to be the same as faithless electors, though the exact reasoning why remains fuzzy to me. Third Party candidates however are presently for the Presidential Election included as soon as they are validated to have access to 270 Electors in the Electoral College; the polling bar they used to clear has largely been cast aside as until recently most Polls did not include Third Party candidates, and it made it extremely difficult to judge whether a Third Party candidate had really cleared the hurdle or whether it was just an outlier. Once the election is done and we have hard vote totals however, then the 5% rule comes into play in terms of candidates like Johnson or Stein staying in the infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ariostos" title="User:Ariostos">Ariostos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ariostos" title="User talk:Ariostos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:39:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:39:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ariostos-2016-08-11T04:39:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2016-08-09T21:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Former_Candidate_Boxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Former_Candidate_Boxes-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Former_Candidate_Boxes-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Former Candidate Boxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Former_Candidate_Boxes-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z-Former_Candidate_Boxes"></span>It is justifiable to include former candidates in the boxes for the Libertarian and Green Parties since they both have enough ballot access to theoretically win the election and former candidates may run again in four years. The edits already exist for both parties with candidates being included. All that would be necessary is reverting their deletions.<a href="/wiki/User:Computermichael" title="User:Computermichael">Computermichael</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Computermichael" title="User talk:Computermichael">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z-Former_Candidate_Boxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z-Former_Candidate_Boxes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z-Former_Candidate_Boxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Proud_User" title="User:Proud User"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:27:00.000Z-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Proud User</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proud_User" title="User talk:Proud User">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Proud_User" title="Special:Contributions/Proud User">contribs</a>) I reverted your removal of Green Party "Major Candidates" section. The sections on primary candidates should be handled consistently. A consensus should be reached before relegating all primary candidates to the various party primary articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Bcharles" title="User:Bcharles">Bcharles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bcharles" title="User talk:Bcharles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:27:00.000Z-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:27:00.000Z-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:27:00.000Z-Computermichael-2016-08-14T16:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Featured_Other_Candidates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Featured_Other_Candidates-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Featured_Other_Candidates-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"></span>Featured Other Candidates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Featured_Other_Candidates-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z-Featured_Other_Candidates"></span>I believe there should be a cutoff on who gets featured on the main page, otherwise 20 candidates with access in only state will be listed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WaunaKeegan11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WaunaKeegan11 (page does not exist)">WaunaKeegan11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WaunaKeegan11" title="User talk:WaunaKeegan11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z-Featured_Other_Candidates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z-Featured_Other_Candidates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z-Featured_Other_Candidates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:32:00.000Z-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"></span>The blurbs for the various small parties and independents are short enough that listing 20 is not a problem. It is also helpful to have a brief overview of all of the choices out there. <a href="/wiki/User:Bcharles" title="User:Bcharles">Bcharles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bcharles" title="User talk:Bcharles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9#c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:32:00.000Z-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:32:00.000Z-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bcharles-2016-08-14T21:32:00.000Z-WaunaKeegan11-2016-08-14T03:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9&oldid=1152304497">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_9&oldid=1152304497</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_with_missing_files" title="Category:Pages with missing files">Pages with missing files</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 29 April 2023, at 12:15<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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