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Source: Drawn by <a href="/wiki/User:SKopp" title="User:SKopp">User:SKopp</a> {{Template:Insignia}} <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Flags_of_Micronesia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Flags of Micronesia (page does not exist)">Category:Flags of Micronesia</a>) </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shade_of_blue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shade_of_blue-20220815145500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shade_of_blue-20220815145500"></span>Shade of blue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shade_of_blue-20220815145500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Shade of blue"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seloloving-20220815145500-Shade_of_blue"></span>It seems that in real life photos of the flag, the shade of blue is darker. <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Peter_Christian_and_Shinzo_Abe.jpg">1</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marshall_Islands_%26_Micronesia_students_(7750252160)_(2).jpg">2</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marshall_Islands_%26_Micronesia_students_(7750250496)_(2).jpg">3</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Federated_States_of_Micronesia_in_front_of_UN_Headquarters_(5012420601)_(cropped).jpg">4</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Visit_by_Dimitris_Avramopoulos,_Member_of_the_EC,_to_New-York_(29726848121).jpg">5</a>. </p><p>While the law does not stipulate an exact shade, it seems that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-Micronesia">Britannica</a> states a darker shade of blue than the UN blue was actually adopted after the compact of free association, though this is not backed by the image they are using. Any thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Seloloving" title="User:Seloloving">Seloloving</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seloloving" title="User talk:Seloloving"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-Seloloving-20220815145500-Shade_of_blue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seloloving-20220815145500-Shade_of_blue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seloloving-20220815145500-Shade_of_blue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seloloving-20220816033300-Seloloving-20220815145500"></span>The book <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/flagloreofallnat00smit/page/64/mode/2up">flag lore of all nations</a> published by the professional vexillologist Whitney Smith has an image of the darker blue used, while the shade used in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=Y8gcL2PBOVIC">Complete flags of the world</a> is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://color-hex.org/color/388ccb">388ccb</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Seloloving" title="User:Seloloving">Seloloving</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seloloving" title="User talk:Seloloving"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-Seloloving-20220816033300-Seloloving-20220815145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seloloving-20220816033300-Seloloving-20220815145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seloloving-20220816033300-Seloloving-20220815145500"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seloloving-20220816080300-Shade_of_blue"></span>It seems there's really no consistent standard in the shade even amongst diplomatic and FSM use. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/04/08/china-meets-its-limits-in-micronesia/">1</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjb_663304/zwjg_665342/zwbd_665378/202103/t20210318_9717158.html">2</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/464374/fsm-president-appeals-to-sogavare-to-stop-deal-with-china">3</a> I am thus far unable to find an original source for the light blue shade. <a href="/wiki/User:Seloloving" title="User:Seloloving">Seloloving</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seloloving" title="User talk:Seloloving"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-Seloloving-20220816080300-Shade_of_blue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seloloving-20220816080300-Shade_of_blue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seloloving-20220816080300-Shade_of_blue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200-Seloloving-20220816080300"></span>Actually, the use of light blue dates to at least 2002 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fm.html">[11]</a>, when Željko Heimer, perhaps unaware of the change, showed the flag background as light blue. The London 2012 Flags and Anthems Manual has light blue too.</dd> <dd>But Alfred Znamierowski shows the dark blue. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SVG-image-maker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SVG-image-maker (page does not exist)">SVG-image-maker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SVG-image-maker" title="User talk:SVG-image-maker"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200-Seloloving-20220816080300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200-Seloloving-20220816080300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200-Seloloving-20220816080300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005500-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200"></span>Also the UN headquarters (as of 2010) used dark blue. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/usaid_images/5012420601/">[12]</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SVG-image-maker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SVG-image-maker (page does not exist)">SVG-image-maker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SVG-image-maker" title="User talk:SVG-image-maker"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005500-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005500-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SVG-image-maker-20231010005500-SVG-image-maker-20231010005200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tcr25-20240318202600-Shade_of_blue"></span>Looking at the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/piofsm/photos_by">FSM Office of the President Facebook page</a>, the flag color ranges from the lighter blue shown here to some darker shades. The recent <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dofa.gov.fm/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Citizens-Budget-2024.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0XVYPH7X17Wwn5bflXXLW-Da2O8CDlPZCHzQqWBVW7za-mjKh2NpnXTB0">Citizens Budget</a> document leans towards the lighter shade on the cover and on page 5. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.fsmlaw.org/fsm/code/title01/t01ch05.htm">flag statue</a> is silent on the specific shade, just saying blue. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tcr25" title="User:Tcr25">Tcr25</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tcr25" title="User talk:Tcr25"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-Tcr25-20240318202600-Shade_of_blue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tcr25-20240318202600-Shade_of_blue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tcr25-20240318202600-Shade_of_blue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tcr25-20240327145900-Tcr25-20240318202600"></span>(Copying over a longer comment from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Federated_States_of_Micronesia" class="extiw" title="en:Talk:Federated States of Micronesia">en:Talk:Federated States of Micronesia</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://fsmlaw.org/fsm/code/title01/t1ch5_2014.html">Code of the Federated States of Micronesia, Title I, Chapter 5</a> gives the official legal definition for the flag's design: <blockquote class="templatequote language"><p>There shall be and there is hereby adopted an official flag of the Federated States of Micronesia, which shall consist of a circle of four white stars centered on a field of blue. The width of the flag of the Federated States of Micronesia shall bear a ratio to its length of 1 to 1.9, and the width of the flag to the width of a star the ratio of five to one. The flag may be reproduced for unofficial purposes, with different dimensions.</p></blockquote></dd></dl> <dl><dd>There is no specific definition for the shade of blue to be used. A paper presented at the 24th International Congress of Vexillology (2011) notes that during a 2009 visit to Pohnpei and Chuuk, multiple shades of blue were seen for the FSM national flag at different government agencies and installations with the difference attributed "probably due to differences in flag manufacturers." (Lupant, Michel R. (2011) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://fiav.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/icv24lupant.pdf">From the Trust Territory of Pacific to the Federated States of Micronesia</a> in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nava.clubexpress.com/proceedings-icv24-2011"><i>Proceedings of the 24th International Congress of Vexillology</i></a>. Washington, D.C.: North American Vexillological Association. pp. 702–705)</dd> <dd>Evidence for official support for a lighter shade of blue is found in the Olympic Flags and Anthem Manual, most recently <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://library.olympics.com/Default/doc/SYRACUSE/1568069/flags-and-anthems-manual-tokyo-2020-the-tokyo-organising-committee-of-the-olympic-and-paralympic-gam">the one for the 2020 Games in Tokyo</a>. As part of its process, the organizing committee submits to each national Olympic committee images and samples of the nation's flag that the committee intends to use. The NOC then approves or requests changes. The main stipulation for the IOC is that every flag must follow the same proportions (so Switzerland's flag becomes rectangular and Nepal's maintains its shape, but with white cloth added for the area not filled by the Nepalese flag). The colors and design (other than shape and proportions) have the approval of the country's authorities. The FSM flag can be seen on page 117 of the manual with a lighter shade of blue that my graphics program identifies as #17B0E3 <span style="display:inline-block; width:1.5em; height:1.5em; margin:1px 0; border:1px solid black; background-color: #17B0E3;" title="#17B0E3"> </span> . The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://library.olympics.com/Default/doc/SYRACUSE/34593/flags-and-anthems-manual-london-2012-spp-final-version-london-organising-committee-of-the-olympic-ga?_lg=en-GB">manual for the 2012 Games in London</a> specified that the approved flag color is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://encycolorpedia.com/b3c7e3">PMS 277</a> <span style="display:inline-block; width:1.5em; height:1.5em; margin:1px 0; border:1px solid black; background-color: #b3c7e3;" title="#b3c7e3"> </span> .</dd> <dd>This is all a long and roundabout way of saying that 1) there seems to be no officially defined shade of blue for the FSM flag, 2) that the FSM government appears to use flags from a variety of manufacturers in various official contexts without regard to the shade of blue used, and 3) there is evidence for at least some official sanction for a lighter hue even if it isn't officially defined. <a href="/wiki/User:Tcr25" title="User:Tcr25">—Carter (Tcr25)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tcr25" title="User talk:Tcr25">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg#c-Tcr25-20240327145900-Tcr25-20240318202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tcr25-20240327145900-Tcr25-20240318202600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tcr25-20240327145900-Tcr25-20240318202600"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg&oldid=863953888">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Flag_of_the_Federated_States_of_Micronesia.svg&oldid=863953888</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 28 March 2024, at 16:43.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Files are available under licenses specified on their description page. 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