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.wp-signpost-block-2-full{font-size:1em;font-family:sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial}.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2-narrow{max-width:46em}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2{padding-left:2vw}}</style><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>It isn't easy to predict accurately how content inserted into Wikipedia is going to be used. Over here at <i>Signpost</i> I have read articles about how <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-03-29/From_the_archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-03-29/From the archives">Oxford found Wikipedia content good enough to claim as its own</a>. But while these are examples I understood, they were third party and distant; the experience of actually being part of the process was still alien. Then this happened... </p><p>I consciously licensed an image (<b>Image 1</b>) I had taken into the public domain (officially <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/">CCO here</a>). I placed this image in a timely manner into the infobox of the <a href="/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh" title="Shaheen Bagh">concerned article</a>. Within a few weeks the image had been used by news magazines, think-tanks, university blogs and a number of other websites. Was I surprised? Yes. </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Placeholder alt text" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg/300px-Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="169" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg/450px-Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg/600px-Shaheen_Bagh_women_protesters_15_Jan_2020.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4608" data-file-height="2592"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Image 1</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><small> <b>Usage of Image 1:</b> <a href="/wiki/The_Yale_Globalist" class="mw-redirect" title="The Yale Globalist">The Yale Globalist</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bulletin_of_the_Atomic_Scientists" title="Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists">Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mashable" title="Mashable">Mashable India</a>, <a href="/wiki/Outlook_(Indian_magazine)" title="Outlook (Indian magazine)">Outlook India (& Outlook Hindi)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Observer_Research_Foundation" title="Observer Research Foundation">Observer Research Foundation</a>, <a href="/wiki/National_Herald" title="National Herald">National Herald</a>, <a href="/wiki/Times_Now" title="Times Now">Times Now online</a>, <a href="/wiki/Medium_(website)" title="Medium (website)">Medium</a>, <a href="/wiki/OpIndia" title="OpIndia">OpIndia</a>, <a href="/wiki/News_Nation" title="News Nation">News Nation</a>, <a href="/wiki/NewsX" class="mw-redirect" title="NewsX">NewsX</a>, <a href="/wiki/Deccan_Chronicle" title="Deccan Chronicle">Deccan Chronicle</a>, <a href="/wiki/Punjab_Kesari" title="Punjab Kesari">Punjab Kesari</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Quint" title="The Quint">The Quint</a>, <a href="/wiki/Global_Voices" title="Global Voices">Global Voices</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dainik_Bhaskar" title="Dainik Bhaskar">Bhaskar</a>, <a href="/wiki/Qaumi_Awaz" title="Qaumi Awaz">Qaumi Awaz</a>, And more. Columbia University Library (CUL) blogs, borgenproject.org, thepolisproject.com, clarionindia.net, citizenmatters.in, Sanatan Prabhat, The Kochi Post, Citizens for Justice and Peace (CJP), The Logical Indian, TFI Post... </small> </p><p>When I realized what happened with Image 1, I went to another image (<b>Image 2</b>) I had placed in the infobox of a <a href="/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests" title="Citizenship Amendment Act protests">related article</a>. This had also been used to an extent which surprised me. <i>Other</i> images from these two articles had also been used, but to a much lesser extent. </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Placeholder alt text" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg/300px-JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="225" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg/450px-JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg/600px-JMI_students_and_locals_protesting_against_CAA_NRC.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4032" data-file-height="3024"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Image 2</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p><small> <b>Usage of Image 2 and <i>others</i>:</b> <a href="/wiki/Columbia_Political_Review" title="Columbia Political Review">Columbia Political Review</a>, <a href="/wiki/HAU:_Journal_of_Ethnographic_Theory" title="HAU: Journal of Ethnographic Theory">HAU: Journal of Ethnographic Theory</a>, <a href="/wiki/National_University_of_Singapore" title="National University of Singapore">National University of Singapore ISAS</a>, <a href="/wiki/University_of_Oslo" title="University of Oslo">University of Oslo</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Muslim_News" title="The Muslim News">The Muslim News</a>, Penn Libraries News, <a href="/wiki/New_Humanist" title="New Humanist">New Humanist</a>, <a href="/wiki/Economic_and_Political_Weekly" title="Economic and Political Weekly">Economic and Political Weekly</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Siasat_Daily" title="The Siasat Daily">The Siasat Daily</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Youth_Ki_Awaaz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Youth Ki Awaaz (page does not exist)">Youth Ki Awaaz</a>, <a href="/wiki/News18" class="mw-redirect" title="News18">News18</a>, <a href="/wiki/CounterPunch" title="CounterPunch">CounterPunch</a>, <a href="/wiki/Daily_Excelsior" title="Daily Excelsior">Daily Excelsior</a>, <a href="/wiki/Businessworld" title="Businessworld">Businessworld</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Hans_India" title="The Hans India">The Hans India</a>, Eurasian Times, Sciencenorway.no, Newsclick... </small> </p><p>Image 2 was licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 and most of the websites did not follow the license requirements in relation to attribution, but that is not the point I want to raise. Going by the above two examples, this should mean that the infobox images of protest articles are hotspots, at least potential hotspots for further usage. Currently the <a href="/wiki/2021_Myanmar_protests" class="mw-redirect" title="2021 Myanmar protests">2021 Myanmar protests</a> are going on. A quick google image search for the infobox images shows the same usage by websites around the world. </p><p>Generalizing this even more, infobox images for most articles are potential hotspots, provided that the article itself is viewed often enough. Take for example usage of the infobox image of <a href="/wiki/Berlin_Wall" title="Berlin Wall">Berlin Wall</a>. This process can be likened to retweet and share buttons on social media. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="The_best_infobox/lede_image_ever?" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_best_infobox/lede_image_ever?-signpost-article-title"><span id="The_best_infobox.2Flede_image_ever.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_best_infobox/lede_image_ever?-signpost-article-title"></span>The best infobox/lede image ever?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_best_infobox/lede_image_ever?-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Unhappy_Valentine.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Placeholder alt text" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Unhappy_Valentine.jpg/300px-Unhappy_Valentine.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Unhappy_Valentine.jpg/450px-Unhappy_Valentine.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Unhappy_Valentine.jpg/600px-Unhappy_Valentine.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3888" data-file-height="2592"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">A wrapped, unopened Valentines Day gift with heart-shaped helium balloons attached sits discarded in a dumpster.</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>While there are fantastic featured images, there are images which aren't featured but are still amazing. 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <p>That is indeed a fantastic image for <a href="/wiki/Unrequited_love" title="Unrequited love">unrequited love</a>. I've also had protest images I took appear widely in the media; it's cool because it's a much more direct way to see the impact of Wikipedia editing than you generally get editing text. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z-Discuss_this_story"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elli-2021-04-25T22:37:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span>I'd love to get images I've taken used in the media. I've taken a few pictures of campaign rallies - no notable protests yet, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elli" title="User talk:Elli">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elli" title="Special:Contributions/Elli">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Elli-2021-04-25T22:37:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elli-2021-04-25T22:37:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elli-2021-04-25T22:37:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jim.henderson-2021-04-25T23:49:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span>No picture of mine is so poignant or seems to have become wonderfully prominent, but dozens have been published in books, magazines, and Websites. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://queenseagle.com/all/2019/1/4/jim-henderson-wikipedia-photog-and-unsung-hero-of-community-news?fbclid=IwAR0vcCUFZU-kJJgGXER3odEiwYDHqK5juAXVa9vTINN1-K5JdZkxfCKaoRc">Unsung Hero</a> <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Jim.henderson" title="User:Jim.henderson">Jim.henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jim.henderson#top" title="User talk:Jim.henderson">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jim.henderson" title="Special:Contributions/Jim.henderson">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Jim.henderson-2021-04-25T23:49:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jim.henderson-2021-04-25T23:49:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jim.henderson-2021-04-25T23:49:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span>Well, as a matter of fact, this is what is wrong with WP images. How do we know that the photographer didn't set up the photo himself or herself? We don't, and I am really suspicious about the reality of this claim. <a href="/wiki/User:BeenAroundAWhile" title="User:BeenAroundAWhile">BeenAroundAWhile</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BeenAroundAWhile" title="User talk:BeenAroundAWhile">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z"></span>How is that in any way specific to images on Wikipedia? — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-BeenAroundAWhile-2021-04-26T04:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"Image 2 was licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 and most of the websites did not follow the license requirements in relation to attribution, but that is not the point I want to raise."</q> This is an issue that should be raised, perhaps in a separate column, because it is at the core of what both Wikipedia and the <a href="/wiki/Free-culture_movement" title="Free-culture movement">free-culture movement</a> at large are all about. It baffles me how professional journalists, who are no doubt educated in copyright to some degree, simply can't get <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/best_practices_for_attribution">one simple line</a> right: "Photo: 'JMI students and locals protesting against CAA NRC' by DiplomatTesterMan, Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0." Publishers should stop treating free content simply as a <a href="/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre" title="Gratis versus libre">gratis</a> resource and start valuing it as an important manifestation of how reporting has been democratized. It has already changed how journalism works, for the better, and it is high time to show some appreciation. We're in this together. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">– <a href="/wiki/User:Finnusertop" title="User:Finnusertop">Finnusertop</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Finnusertop" title="User talk:Finnusertop">talk</a> ⋅ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Finnusertop" title="Special:Contributions/Finnusertop">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z"></span>It's disappointing to see. At least with American sources, it's rare for a recognizable publication to just omit attribution altogether, but many will do something like "by Wikimedia Commons" or the like. If it's a particularly well-known source doing that, I might tweet at them or something (<i>Psychology Today</i> and <i>Business Insider</i> come to mind) but there's just too much to try to police (assuming that's something one really wants to do in the first place). — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:22:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2021-04-26T14:16:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:31:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for writing this. I did a little lightning talk for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day_2018" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia Day 2018">Wikipedia Day NYC</a> a few years ago on the same subject (the reach/value of protest photos contributed to Commons/Wikipedia). I'd been documenting protests in the NYC area and saw they just kept getting used in various media (big and small, from across the political spectrum). Many of those photos are still finding new use, and probably will continue to do so as long as the issues remain relevant to the news. I find this argument -- the wide use of photos if they're used on Wikipedia -- one of the most persuasive when trying to convince people to donate theirs. You can also use tools like <a class="external text" href="https://glamtools.toolforge.org/glamorous/">Glamorous</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://glamtools.toolforge.org/glamorgan.html">Glamorgan</a> to see how many of your uploads are being used on Wikimedia projects and how many pageviews those articles receive. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:31:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:31:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2021-04-26T14:31:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DiplomatTesterMan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DiplomatTesterMan (page does not exist)">DiplomatTesterMan</a>:</span> Shouldn't <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:My_Name_is_Madness">My Name is Madness</a></span> be referred to with 'she' pronoun? I got confused when <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF/ShowUserGender" title="User:BrandonXLF/ShowUserGender">User:BrandonXLF/ShowUserGender</a> userscript shows the user's desired pronoun to be 'she' when the article is referring to her as 'he' in the article. A stroll through her userpage also affirms that the user wants to be referred to with 'she' pronoun. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z-Sdkb-2021-04-25T22:25:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-2021-05-04T15:22:00.000Z-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for bringing this up. I've made the correction. Please note that this is the editor-in-chief;\'s mistake, not the author's. It's something as EIC that I'm specifically supposed to check. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world#c-Smallbones-2021-05-04T15:22:00.000Z-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-2021-05-04T15:22:00.000Z-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-2021-05-04T15:22:00.000Z-Robertsky-2021-04-29T09:34:00.000Z"></span><br/><div style="clear:both;"></div></li></ul></li></ul></div></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1240929115">.mw-parser-output .signpost-footer{padding-top:2em}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation,.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker,.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{box-sizing:border-box;clear:both;font-family:Georgia,Palatino,Palatino Linotype,Times,Times New Roman,serif;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation{font-size:116%;display:flex;flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;font-style:italic;gap:1em;justify-content:space-between;padding:0 2vw;margin:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-nav-casing{font-size:80%;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker{border-top:3px double #BBB;color:var(--color-subtle,#333);font-size:110%;padding:5px 2vw;text-align:center;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{border-top:1px solid #999;padding:3px 2vw}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div{color:#444;display:flex;flex-flow:row wrap;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:center;font-size:90%;margin:0 auto;max-width:80em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div>div{display:inline-block;flex:1 1 auto;min-width:6em}</style> <div class="signpost-footer"> <div class="signpost-issue-navigation noprint"></div> <div class="signpost-ticker">Want the latest <i>Signpost</i> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">delivered to your talk page</a> each month?</div> <div class="signpost-linkbar"> <div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Home</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/About" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About">About</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives">Archives</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom">Newsroom</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Subscribe</a></div> <div><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions">Suggestions</a></span></div> </div></div></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world&oldid=1193879993">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-04-25/Changing_the_world&oldid=1193879993</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Signpost_archives_2021-04" title="Category:Wikipedia Signpost archives 2021-04">Wikipedia Signpost archives 2021-04</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 6 January 2024, at 02:51<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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