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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:Death_Proof"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Re:Death Proof</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Re:Death_Proof-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Transformers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Transformers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Transformers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Transformers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Non-free use 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<li id="toc-Shortcut_templates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Shortcut_templates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Shortcut templates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Shortcut_templates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fire_sale" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fire_sale"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Fire sale</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Fire_sale-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>TfD nomination of Template:Cod</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Subst_help_on_furvg_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Subst_help_on_furvg_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Subst help on furvg template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Subst_help_on_furvg_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Cpnt" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Cpnt"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Template:Cpnt</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Cpnt-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Redirect_of_WP:IM" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Redirect_of_WP:IM"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Redirect of WP:IM</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Redirect_of_WP:IM-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Age_in_years_and_days" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Age_in_years_and_days"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Template:Age in years and days</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Age_in_years_and_days-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mon_fils_à_moi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mon_fils_à_moi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Mon fils à moi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mon_fils_à_moi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_with_#switch_function" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_with_#switch_function"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Help with #switch function</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_with_#switch_function-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ten_Canoes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ten_Canoes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Ten Canoes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ten_Canoes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Mapaf" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Mapaf"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Template:Mapaf</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Mapaf-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Wlinkx" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Wlinkx"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Template:Wlinkx</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Wlinkx-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Check_this_out" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Check_this_out"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Check this out</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Check_this_out-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Crank_(mechanism)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Crank_(mechanism)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Crank (mechanism)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Crank_(mechanism)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_nomination_of_Lodging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>AfD nomination of Lodging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Change_to_infobox_musical_artist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Change to infobox musical artist</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the_section_adding_feature,_but_apply_the_section_editing_feature_to_the_previous_section"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the_section_adding_feature,_but_apply_the_section_editing_feature_to_the_previous_section""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>"One can still put a link in a headline, but in that case one should not use the section adding feature, but apply the section editing feature to the previous section"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the_section_adding_feature,_but_apply_the_section_editing_feature_to_the_previous_section"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_proposal_for_Threat"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Deletion proposal for Threat</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Richard_Carew_Pole" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Richard_Carew_Pole"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Richard Carew Pole</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Richard_Carew_Pole-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Artikel_de:Ɋ" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Artikel_de:Ɋ"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Artikel de:Ɋ</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Artikel_de:Ɋ-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Moving,_accusations,_etc." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Moving,_accusations,_etc."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Moving, accusations, etc.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Moving,_accusations,_etc.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Row1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Row1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Row1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Row1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion_of_article_you_created" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_of_article_you_created"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Deletion of article you created</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion_of_article_you_created-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-In_love" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#In_love"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>In love</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-In_love-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Kingdom of the Netherlands</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">13 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Template:Ftl, Sqr and Template:Hist</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Octahedral_symmetry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Octahedral_symmetry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Octahedral symmetry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Octahedral_symmetry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Edit request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:PMediaWiki_talk" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:PMediaWiki_talk"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Template:PMediaWiki talk</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:PMediaWiki_talk-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Shalom!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Shalom!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Shalom!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Shalom!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Template:Documentation reverted 20:51, November 3, 2007</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Beam_riding" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Beam_riding"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Beam riding</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Beam_riding-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ME/CVS_Vereniging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ME/CVS_Vereniging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>ME/CVS Vereniging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ME/CVS_Vereniging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Template talk:Documentation#Revision 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Template talk:Documentation#SUBJECT... versus FULL...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Documentation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Documentation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Template:Documentation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Template:Documentation-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Template:Documentation subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Template:Documentation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46.1</span> <span>Merge from Template:Template doc</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-American_Gangster" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#American_Gangster"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>American Gangster</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-American_Gangster-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Template help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:On_nl" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:On_nl"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Template:On nl</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:On_nl-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Template talk:Infobox actor - Edit requested 7-Nov-2007</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_Help_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_Help_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Template Help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_Help_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tax_Deduction" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tax_Deduction"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Tax Deduction</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tax_Deduction-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_usage" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_usage"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Template usage</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_usage-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>AfD nomination of Page widening</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Wikiproject LDS movement/Temples</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages" 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</div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"><div class="subpages">< <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">User talk:Patrick</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <p>Archive: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/Dec_2011_-_April_2013" title="User talk:Patrick/Dec 2011 - April 2013">User talk:Patrick/Dec 2011 - April 2013</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/Feb_2010_-_Nov_2011" title="User talk:Patrick/Feb 2010 - Nov 2011">User talk:Patrick/Feb 2010 - Nov 2011</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/Feb_2008_-_Dec_2009" title="User talk:Patrick/Feb 2008 - Dec 2009">User talk:Patrick/Feb 2008 - Dec 2009</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">User talk:Patrick/June 2007 - Feb 2008</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/July_2006_-_May_2007" title="User 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href="http://www.google.nl/advanced_search?q=site:pediaview.com/openpedia/User_talk">search user talk</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="en_dashes" data-mw-thread-id="h-en_dashes-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-en_dashes-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z"></span>en dashes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-en_dashes-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: en dashes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z-en_dashes"></span>WRT to your recent edit of the Dashes pages, will you please take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dashes)#Proposed_expanded_version_of_advice_on_hyphens_and_dashes_in_MoS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dashes)">comment</a> against retaining the preference for hyphens in titles, and provide a rejoinder? <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1">Tony</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z-en_dashes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z-en_dashes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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Anyway, thanks for letting me know there is a discussion on the issue.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-09T09:20:00.000Z-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-09T09:20:00.000Z-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-09T09:20:00.000Z-Tony1-2007-06-09T08:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Finite" data-mw-thread-id="h-Finite-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Finite-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"></span>Finite<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Finite-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Finite"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z-Finite"></span>Hi Patrick. I disagree with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finite&diff=137328989&oldid=137254659">this edit</a> you made. Of course an object is not a number. But do you ever say a "finite object" meaning an object of finite diameter, or do you say "finite set" meaning an object of finite measure? Because, if not, you are not talking about the object being finite, but about its diameter or measure being finite, which is indeed a number. Thanks, you can reply here. <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z-Finite" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z-Finite"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z-Finite"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"></span>For example <a href="/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel" title="Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel">Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel</a> mentions a finite object. Even though <a href="/wiki/Bounded" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Bounded">bounded</a> is formally a better word, mentioning something on this on the page <a href="/wiki/Finite" class="mw-disambig" title="Finite">finite</a> seems useful.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T03:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"></span>The term "(in)finite hotel" is used in a very informal way in the <a href="/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel" title="Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel">Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel</a> article, and the way it is used there is clear from the context (number of rooms). I don't that is general usage.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>One should find better reasons for including things, rather than what you did for <a href="/wiki/Sequence" title="Sequence">sequence</a> when you added the fact that "finite sequence is the same as sequence with a finite number of terms" based on some sloppy writing of some previous editor at <a href="/wiki/Sequence_space" title="Sequence space">sequence space</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Are you saying that when you opposed clearing up that inconsistency you had not even followed my link to <a href="/wiki/Sequence_space" title="Sequence space">sequence space</a>?--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"></span>As otherwise it is just too easy to add misinformation and confusion to articles. I'll cut out the mention to "finite object" meaning "object of finite diameter" at <a href="/wiki/Finite" class="mw-disambig" title="Finite">finite</a> unless you can come up with references for that usage (and not just some obscure website). That per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">Wikipedia:Citing sources</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T08:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z"></span>See e.g. <a href="/wiki/Universe" title="Universe">universe</a>: it discusses whether the (theoretical) universe is finite or infinite.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-11T15:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-12T02:55:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Fair enough, the word "finite" has an informal meaning too. But then its definition should be informal also. I replaced "finite diameter" and "finite measure" with "finite size". <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-12T02:55:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-12T02:55:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-12T02:55:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-11T23:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:PD-PCL_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:PD-PCL_question-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:PD-PCL_question-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:PD-PCL&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:PD-PCL (page does not exist)">Template:PD-PCL</a> question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:PD-PCL_question-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Template:PD-PCL question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z-Template:PD-PCL_question"></span>Howdy, I noticed you created the above template and I was wondering if you could answer a question about it's application. I'd like to use some of the state maps from the Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection and add references (or shading) to the various <a href="/wiki/American_Viticultural_Area" title="American Viticultural Area">American Viticultural Area</a> in those states. The FAQ linked in the templates says that we may "use them as you wish" so I'm assuming that we can alter them with due credit and link to the original map. You template doesn't have any reference to a map being altered so I'm wondering what additional tagging that I may need to add to the maps that I upload. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. <a href="/wiki/User:Agne27" title="User:Agne27">Agne</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Agne27" title="Special:Contributions/Agne27"><sup>Cheese</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Agne27" title="User talk:Agne27"><sup>Wine</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z-Template:PD-PCL_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z-Template:PD-PCL_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z-Template:PD-PCL_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-14T08:47:00.000Z-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"></span>It seems from <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-PCL" class="extiw" title="commons:Template:PD-PCL">commons:Template:PD-PCL</a> that we should not use this template anymore anyway, and refer to the original source instead. If you are going to upload the image to Commons (which is preferable) you can best ask there, I am not an expert. Perhaps you need separate tags for the original and the change, where the latter could be <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-self" class="extiw" title="commons:Template:PD-self">commons:Template:PD-self</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-14T08:47:00.000Z-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-14T08:47:00.000Z-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-14T08:47:00.000Z-Agne27-2007-06-14T07:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rigid_body" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rigid_body-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rigid_body-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Rigid_body" title="Rigid body">Rigid body</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rigid_body-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Rigid body"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z-Rigid_body"></span>Hi Patrick. It appears that you wrote most of this article, and there is good info in there. I have a suggestion though. Do you think the article could be made more acessible? The concept of rigid body is rather elementary, but the first section in the article starts with <a href="/wiki/Configuration_space" class="mw-disambig" title="Configuration space">configuration spaces</a>, which is rather technical math. Any ideas of how to simplify at least the first half of the article? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z-Rigid_body" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z-Rigid_body"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z-Rigid_body"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:06:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span>The first two sentences of section one (the section after the lead section) could be moved down; in section one we can put in that place a simpler sentence about combinations of translations and rotations. What follows is more elementary, just vectors and matrices.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:06:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:06:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:06:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span>I have done that.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T03:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, it looks much better now!</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>And I have a question about the notation in the kinematics section. Does one need to write <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t,\mathbf {r} _{0})}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">r</mi> </mrow> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mo>,</mo> <msub> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">r</mi> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>0</mn> </mrow> </msub> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t,\mathbf {r} _{0})}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/eaba9126d5f083195cd42058371f55480aa8ce1a" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:6.941ex; height:2.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t,\mathbf {r} _{0})}"/></span> there or is it enough to write <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t)}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">r</mi> </mrow> <mo stretchy="false">(</mo> <mi>t</mi> <mo stretchy="false">)</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t)}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7216e69d28fdb11c29c859f015a284c1ec6f06ac" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.838ex; width:3.751ex; height:2.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} (t)}"/></span>, so dropping the <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">r</mi> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>0</mn> </mrow> </msub> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/dbe39f0fedae3334af5c4ffaedf25c9778363400" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:2.156ex; height:2.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}"/></span> (also note that now both the notation with r_0 and the one without r_0 is present). Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T07:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z"></span>The notation was a bit sloppy, I fixed it. Since some quantities depend on <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="bold">r</mi> </mrow> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>0</mn> </mrow> </msub> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/dbe39f0fedae3334af5c4ffaedf25c9778363400" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:2.156ex; height:2.009ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbf {r} _{0}}"/></span> and some do not, it seems good to mention this dependence when applicable. The motion of a rigid body is about the position etc. as function of the two variables.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-19T14:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-20T03:02:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User talk:Oleg Alexandrov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-20T03:02:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-20T03:02:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2007-06-20T03:02:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-19T23:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:Death_Proof" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:Death_Proof-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:Death_Proof-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"></span>Re:<a href="/wiki/Death_Proof" title="Death Proof">Death Proof</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:Death_Proof-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Re:Death Proof"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z-Re:Death_Proof"></span>The 120 version of <i>Death Proof</i> was released separately from the <i>Grindhouse</i> double feature. As the information that an extended version was created is already in the body of the article, it doesn't need to be mentioned in the infobox. (<a href="/wiki/User:Ibaranoff24" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ibaranoff24">Ibaranoff24</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z-Re:Death_Proof" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z-Re:Death_Proof"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z-Re:Death_Proof"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"></span>It is much too US-centered to consider non-US info too minor to put in the infobox. Please revert your deletions.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T13:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z"></span>The article is about <i>Grindhouse</i> as a double feature, not <i>Grindhouse</i> as seperate films. In the future, please reply to my talk page rather than your talk page so I can get back to you sooner. (<a href="/wiki/User:Ibaranoff24" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ibaranoff24">Ibaranoff24</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-06-21T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-22T14:32:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z"></span>When did I <b>delete</b> info? The info was still in the article, it just wasn't in the infobox. There's a difference! I put in a footnote on the runtimes of the individual films that includes the runtime of the extended version of <i>Death Proof</i>. What was wrong with that? (<a href="/wiki/User:Ibaranoff24" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ibaranoff24">Ibaranoff24</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-22T14:32:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-22T14:32:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-22T14:32:00.000Z-Ibaranoff24-2007-06-21T21:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Transformers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Transformers-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Transformers-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z"></span>Transformers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Transformers-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Transformers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alientraveller-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z-Transformers"></span>Because it's a comic book and novel that serves the story of the film. It isn't just a film: this whole new fictional universe is a major push on Hasbro's part to reinvigorate a franchise. <a href="/wiki/User:Alientraveller" title="User:Alientraveller">Alientraveller</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Alientraveller-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z-Transformers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alientraveller-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z-Transformers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alientraveller-2007-06-29T13:36:00.000Z-Transformers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z"></span>Non-free use disputed for Image:TramStop.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Non-free use disputed for Image:TramStop.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table align="center" style="background-color: white; border:8px solid red; padding:5px; text-align: center; font-size: larger;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Warning sign"><img alt="Warning sign" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/30px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/45px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a></span> </td> <td>This file may be <b>deleted</b>. </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Thanks for uploading <b><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:TramStop.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:TramStop.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:TramStop.jpg</a></b>. 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Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:BetacommandBot" title="User:BetacommandBot">BetacommandBot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-BetacommandBot-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BetacommandBot-2007-07-11T04:43:00.000Z-Non-free_use_disputed_for_Image:TramStop.jpg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorting-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorting-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"></span>Sorting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorting-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Sorting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z-Sorting"></span>I just turned to you for a little help. I saw you have added <i>Class=sortable</i> to <a href="/wiki/Tabu_(actress)" title="Tabu (actress)">Tabu</a>'s filmography table. I did the same in the <a href="/wiki/Preity_Zinta" title="Preity Zinta">Preity Zinta</a> page, cause I found it as a good idea. Now I changed the filmography style of Zinta, and the <i>Class=sortable</i> doesn't work properly. Could you help me please? Thanks, --<a href="/wiki/User:Shshshsh" title="User:Shshshsh"><span style="color:blue"><i><b>Shahid</b></i></span></a> • <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shshshsh" title="User talk:Shshshsh"><span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black"><b>2</b></span><span style="color:teal">me</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z-Sorting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z-Sorting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z-Sorting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-07-14T10:36:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Limitations" class="extiw" title="m:Help:Sorting">m:Help:Sorting#Limitations</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-07-14T10:36:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-07-14T10:36:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-07-14T10:36:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-14T10:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z-Sorting"></span>Thank you. So I can't display it on this king of table? --<a href="/wiki/User:Shshshsh" title="User:Shshshsh"><span style="color:blue"><i><b>Shahid</b></i></span></a> • <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shshshsh" title="User talk:Shshshsh"><span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black"><b>2</b></span><span style="color:teal">me</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z-Sorting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z-Sorting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z-Sorting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T11:02:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z"></span>I don't know what you mean by "king of table". For tables for which sorting makes sense I recommend that cells extending over multiple rows and/or columns are avoided, so that sorting is possible.<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-07-15T11:02:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T11:02:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T11:02:00.000Z-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T10:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shshshsh-2007-07-15T12:55:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-07-15T11:02:00.000Z"></span>My bad... 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Why are you replacing shortcuts with templates? Just expand the shortcut to the full link. --- <a href="/wiki/User:RockMFR" title="User:RockMFR">RockMFR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z-Shortcut_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z-Shortcut_templates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z-Shortcut_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T23:39:00.000Z-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z"></span>The full link is fine, but if somebody does not want to type or copy the full name, a template is a solution to keep it readable. Also on talk pages.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-07-15T23:39:00.000Z-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T23:39:00.000Z-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-07-15T23:39:00.000Z-RockMFR-2007-07-15T18:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fire_sale" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fire_sale-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fire_sale-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z"></span>Fire sale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fire_sale-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Fire sale"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erik-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z-Fire_sale"></span>I inserted mention of the fire sale in the Plot section and piped the link to the explanation on the Wikipedia article. Hope that works. I did consider the "see also" template to be out of place. —<a href="/wiki/User:Erik" title="User:Erik">Erik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik" title="User talk:Erik">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Erik" title="Special:Contributions/Erik">contrib</a>) - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Erik-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z-Fire_sale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erik-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z-Fire_sale"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erik-2007-07-19T17:52:00.000Z-Fire_sale"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod" data-mw-thread-id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z"></span>TfD nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cod&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cod (page does not exist)">Template:Cod</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: TfD nomination of Template:Cod"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cod&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cod (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sl-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod"></span>Template:Cod</a> has been nominated for deletion. 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Thank you. — <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sl" title="User talk:Sl"><big>✉</big> Hello World!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Sl-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sl-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sl-2007-07-21T16:12:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:Cod"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Subst_help_on_furvg_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Subst_help_on_furvg_template-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Subst_help_on_furvg_template-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Subst help on furvg template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Subst_help_on_furvg_template-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Subst help on furvg template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z-Subst_help_on_furvg_template"></span>Hi Patrick. Thanks for coming to help on <a href="/wiki/User:KieferSkunk/furvg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:KieferSkunk/furvg">User:KieferSkunk/furvg</a> with the subst issue. Unfortunately, I already tried most of that solution, and it didn't work. :/ Unless I'm missing something in how the template is used. — <b><a href="/wiki/User:KieferSkunk" title="User:KieferSkunk">KieferSkunk</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KieferSkunk" title="User talk:KieferSkunk">talk</a>) — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z-Subst_help_on_furvg_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z-Subst_help_on_furvg_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z-Subst_help_on_furvg_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"></span>You have to add "subst=subst:" in the test call. Also, <a href="/wiki/Template:Non-free_use_rationale" title="Template:Non-free use rationale">Template:Non-free use rationale</a> should be adapted.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-01T23:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-02T01:36:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z"></span>Excellent! Now it's working! :) I fixed a couple bugs, including leaving the outer "Non-free use rationale" template intact as a template (since that's what the bots are expecting). I've updated the documentation and the examples, and it appears to be working perfectly, given the extra "subst=subst:" parameter in the call. Thank you very much! :) — <b><a href="/wiki/User:KieferSkunk" title="User:KieferSkunk">KieferSkunk</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KieferSkunk" title="User talk:KieferSkunk">talk</a>) — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-02T01:36:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-02T01:36:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-02T01:36:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-01T23:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Cpnt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Cpnt-2007-08-10T16:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Cpnt-2007-08-10T16:47:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cpnt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cpnt (page does not exist)">Template:Cpnt</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Cpnt-2007-08-10T16:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Template:Cpnt"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MZMcBride-2007-08-10T16:47:00.000Z-Template:Cpnt"></span>A template you created, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cpnt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cpnt (page does not exist)">Template:Cpnt</a>, has been marked for deletion as a deprecated and orphaned template. 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Hello. I have three quick questions for you, please. Thanks. On the following page, <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Age_in_years_and_days" title="Template talk:Age in years and days">Template talk:Age in years and days</a>, you indicated that you added some documentation at <a href="/wiki/Template:Age/doc" title="Template:Age/doc">Template:Age/doc</a> about wrong input. Question 1: Do you agree or disagree that similar documentation should likewise be added to the following page: <a href="/wiki/Template:Age_in_years_and_days" title="Template:Age in years and days">Template:Age in years and days</a> ...? Question 2: If you do agree, are you yourself able to edit that page in order to add such documentation ... or who is? Question 3: I noticed that the following page is protected from being edited: <a href="/wiki/Template:Age_in_years_and_days" title="Template:Age in years and days">Template:Age in years and days</a> ... but the following page is not protected from being edited: <a href="/wiki/Template:Age/doc" title="Template:Age/doc">Template:Age/doc</a>. Do you know why that is ... and what is the distinction? Thank you. Please reply on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph_A._Spadaro" title="User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro">my Talk Page</a>.(<a href="/wiki/User:Joseph_A._Spadaro" title="User:Joseph A. Spadaro">Joseph A. Spadaro</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z-Template:Age_in_years_and_days" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z-Template:Age_in_years_and_days"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z-Template:Age_in_years_and_days"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z"></span>(1)Agree.</dd> <dd>(2)/(3) One of the advantages of transcluded doc pages is that, while keeping the template code protected, people can edit the documentation. I moved the documentation to <a href="/wiki/Template:Age_in_years_and_days/doc" title="Template:Age in years and days/doc">Template:Age in years and days/doc</a>, so you can make the desired edits.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-13T20:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-14T22:19:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z"></span>Hi. Thanks for your prompt reply. I went into the following two pages (see below) and made several edits. Most of the edits were cosmetic / aesthetic changes in formatting. Some of the edits, however, were substantive. When you have a moment, can you please take a look at both pages and let me know if everything looks fine ... or if you see the need for any further changes. Thanks a lot. Please reply on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph_A._Spadaro" title="User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro">my Talk Page</a>. The two pages are: <a href="/wiki/Template:Age/doc" title="Template:Age/doc">Template:Age/doc</a> ... and ... <a href="/wiki/Template:Age_in_years_and_days/doc" title="Template:Age in years and days/doc">Template:Age in years and days/doc</a>. Thanks. (<a href="/wiki/User:Joseph_A._Spadaro" title="User:Joseph A. Spadaro">Joseph A. Spadaro</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-14T22:19:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-14T22:19:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph_A._Spadaro-2007-08-14T22:19:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-13T22:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mon_fils_à_moi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mon_fils_à_moi-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="Mon_fils_.C3.A0_moi"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mon_fils_à_moi-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"></span>Mon fils à moi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mon_fils_à_moi-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Mon fils à moi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z-Mon_fils_à_moi"></span>I removed the image link at <a href="/wiki/Mon_fils_%C3%A0_moi" title="Mon fils à moi">Mon fils à moi</a> because it's unnecessary to have a link like that, plus the proper way would be to place an image in the infobox. However I haven't found that image on a site with which would be appropriate to upload from. If you know of one however, that'd be great. -<a href="/wiki/User:WarthogDemon" title="User:WarthogDemon">WarthogDemon</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z-Mon_fils_à_moi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z-Mon_fils_à_moi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z-Mon_fils_à_moi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T00:10:00.000Z-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"></span>Without an uploaded image the next best thing is a link, for the meantime.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-15T00:10:00.000Z-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T00:10:00.000Z-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T00:10:00.000Z-WarthogDemon-2007-08-14T18:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_#switch_function" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_#switch_function-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"><span id="Help_with_.23switch_function"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_#switch_function-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Help with #switch function<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_#switch_function-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Help with #switch function"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z-Help_with_#switch_function"></span>Hi, </p><p>I have seen that you are active on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:ParserFunctions" class="extiw" title="meta:Help talk:ParserFunctions">meta:Help talk:ParserFunctions</a> and so am requesting some help in implementing a #switch function. </p><p>Is it possible to set a colspan function inside a #switch? I'm am trying to enable a switch <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mdcollins1984/Sandbox10&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mdcollins1984/Sandbox10 (page does not exist)">here</a> (part of an infobox). I'm am attempting to make it so that one can choose the number of columns, (from 1 to all 4). At the moment, the switch works insofar as it will display the required columns, but I'd like them to expand to fill the gap left by the other two. I would also like the column widths to be the same. </p><p>I have no idea if this is making any sense, or whether you are able to help, but can the colspan="x" and/or width="x" functions work within a switch? I have realised that the pipe character doesn't work (so have used html) and I think the = sign is throwing things a bit. In the same manner, I don't seem to be able to set background colours etc within the switch. </p><p>Sorry for twittering on and cluttering your talk page, but any help would be gratefully received. </p><p>–<a href="/wiki/User:Mdcollins1984" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mdcollins1984">MDCollins</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mdcollins1984" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mdcollins1984">talk</a></i>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z-Help_with_#switch_function" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z-Help_with_#switch_function"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z-Help_with_#switch_function"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T13:18:00.000Z-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"></span>If the default result has an equal sign, you have to use "#default=". For the rest you just should not use "|", except in a template, parser function, parameter with default, link, or image tag. I think everything else is allowed.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-15T13:18:00.000Z-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T13:18:00.000Z-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-15T13:18:00.000Z-Mdcollins1984-2007-08-15T12:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ten_Canoes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ten_Canoes-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ten_Canoes-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"></span>Ten Canoes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ten_Canoes-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Ten Canoes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z-Ten_Canoes"></span>Thanks for your additions to <i><a href="/wiki/Ten_Canoes" title="Ten Canoes">Ten Canoes</a></i>. You appear to know the film well. Are you able to tidy up the later section, about its awards and so on? THe current material is out of date. If you could add references, that would be great. <a href="/wiki/User:BrainyBabe" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BrainyBabe">BrainyBabe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z-Ten_Canoes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z-Ten_Canoes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z-Ten_Canoes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-16T10:03:00.000Z-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"></span>I don't know much about the awards, but perhaps <a href="/wiki/Rolf_de_Heer#Ten_Canoes" title="Rolf de Heer">Rolf_de_Heer#Ten_Canoes</a> helps.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-16T10:03:00.000Z-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-16T10:03:00.000Z-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-16T10:03:00.000Z-BrainyBabe-2007-08-16T09:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Mapaf" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Mapaf-2007-08-18T02:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Mapaf-2007-08-18T02:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Mapaf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Mapaf (page does not exist)">Template:Mapaf</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Mapaf-2007-08-18T02:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Template:Mapaf"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MZMcBride-2007-08-18T02:40:00.000Z-Template:Mapaf"></span>A template you created, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Mapaf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Mapaf (page does not exist)">Template:Mapaf</a>, has been marked for deletion as a deprecated and orphaned template. 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Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Black_Falcon" title="User:Black Falcon">Black Falcon</a></b> <sup><i>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Falcon" title="User talk:Black Falcon">Talk</a>)</i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Black_Falcon-2007-08-28T19:25:00.000Z-Template:Wlinkx" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Falcon-2007-08-28T19:25:00.000Z-Template:Wlinkx"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Falcon-2007-08-28T19:25:00.000Z-Template:Wlinkx"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Check_this_out" data-mw-thread-id="h-Check_this_out-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Check_this_out-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"></span>Check this out<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Check_this_out-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Check this out"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_musical_artist#Background_field_addition" title="Template talk:Infobox musical artist"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z-Check_this_out"></span>Template talk:Infobox musical artist#Background field addition</a> I am aware that there are several instances of this template being transcluded but without anything in the "background" field. So I have an idea, could you look at this please? <a href="/wiki/User:FMAFan1990" title="User:FMAFan1990">FMAFan1990</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z-Check_this_out" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z-Check_this_out"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z-Check_this_out"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"></span>Yes, you can use {{#if:{{{background|}}}||[[Category:..]]}}, if that is what you are asking.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z-FMAFan1990-2007-08-29T06:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-30T04:30:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z"></span>Right now, I am discussing this with other users, and also I can't edit the template since it is protected and I am not an admin. <a href="/wiki/User:FMAFan1990" title="User:FMAFan1990">FMAFan1990</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-30T04:30:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-30T04:30:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FMAFan1990-2007-08-30T04:30:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-08-29T06:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Crank_(mechanism)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Crank_(mechanism)-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"><span id="Crank_.28mechanism.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Crank_(mechanism)-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Crank_(mechanism)" title="Crank (mechanism)">Crank (mechanism)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Crank_(mechanism)-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Crank (mechanism)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z-Crank_(mechanism)"></span>Re: Sorry about the accidental deletion.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z-Crank_(mechanism)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z-Crank_(mechanism)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z-Crank_(mechanism)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtholM-2007-09-04T11:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span>No problem. We all make silly mistakes from time to time. --<a href="/wiki/User:AtholM" title="User:AtholM">Athol Mullen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-AtholM-2007-09-04T11:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtholM-2007-09-04T11:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtholM-2007-09-04T11:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_Lodging" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z"></span>AfD nomination of <a href="/wiki/Lodging" title="Lodging">Lodging</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of Lodging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Lodging" title="Lodging"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SarekOfVulcan-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging"></span>Lodging</a>, an article you created, has been nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">deletion</a>. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that <a href="/wiki/Lodging" title="Lodging">Lodging</a> satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">What Wikipedia is not</a>" and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">Wikipedia deletion policy</a>). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lodging" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lodging">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lodging</a> and please be sure to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIG">sign your comments</a> with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of <a href="/wiki/Lodging" title="Lodging">Lodging</a> during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SarekOfVulcan" title="User talk:SarekOfVulcan">SarekOfVulcan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-SarekOfVulcan-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SarekOfVulcan-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SarekOfVulcan-2007-09-04T20:31:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Lodging"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_to_infobox_musical_artist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Change to infobox musical artist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Change to infobox musical artist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist"></span>Hi, I'm puzzled by your recent change to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist" title="Template:Infobox musical artist">infobox musical artist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. It seems like it will add the name of the image to the table-row tag <i>as if</i> it were an attribute (except, of course, it's unlikely to have an equal sign (=) like a proper attribute), unless the undocumented "image class" template argument is set (unlikely since it's undocumented), in which case the contents of that will be used as if it were an attribute (not as a class unless the template argument happens to start with "class="). Basically, I'm just very puzzled as to what this is intended to accomplish, especially since it was done without any discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Xtifr" title="User:Xtifr">Xtifr</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xtifr" title="User talk:Xtifr">tälk</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z-Change_to_infobox_musical_artist"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Never mind, I figured it out. Two curly braces, not three, so "image class" is a template not an argument. Duh. Sorry. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Xtifr" title="User:Xtifr">Xtifr</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xtifr" title="User talk:Xtifr">tälk</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Xtifr-2007-09-07T12:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the_section_adding_feature,_but_apply_the_section_editing_feature_to_the_previous_section"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"><span id=".22One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline.2C_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the_section_adding_feature.2C_but_apply_the_section_editing_feature_to_the_previous_section.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"></span>"One can still put a link in a headline, but in that case one should not use the section adding feature, but apply the section editing feature to the previous section"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: "One can still put a link in a headline, but in that case one should not use the section adding feature, but apply the section editing feature to the previous section""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the"></span>I don't understand what you mean. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dweller" title="User:Dweller">Dweller</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z-"One_can_still_put_a_link_in_a_headline,_but_in_that_case_one_should_not_use_the"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"></span>We are talking about a bug in one method of making an edit (clicking the "+"). You can still make the desired edit in another way, apply the section editing feature to the previous section and add the new section at the bottom of it.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:53:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z"></span>Arrrr I still don't understand what you're saying, but it seems irrelevant now, as the bug message has gone. Thanks anyway. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dweller" title="User:Dweller">Dweller</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:53:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:53:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dweller-2007-09-07T13:53:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-07T13:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_proposal_for_Threat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"></span>Deletion proposal for <a href="/wiki/Threat" title="Threat">Threat</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Deletion proposal for Threat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat"></span>Hello Patrick- I'm not an expert on the procedure for deletion proposals, but I don't believe you are meant to simply undo the addition of the notification template if you disagree with the proposal. I have restored it. I think we should wait to see what others think. -<a href="/wiki/User:EHM02667" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EHM02667">Eric</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EHM02667" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:EHM02667"><sup>(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z-Deletion_proposal_for_Threat"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"></span>See the distinction at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">Wikipedia:Deletion_policy</a> between the sections Proposed deletion and Deletion discussion. You used the first, perhaps you want to use the second.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z-EHM02667-2007-09-08T15:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T19:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the tip, Patrick. I re-read those sections and changed the deletion proposal template to an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Threat" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Threat">AfD</a> one. -<a href="/wiki/User:EHM02667" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EHM02667">Eric</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EHM02667" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:EHM02667"><sup>(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T19:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T19:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EHM02667-2007-09-08T19:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-09-08T15:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Richard_Carew_Pole" data-mw-thread-id="h-Richard_Carew_Pole-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Richard_Carew_Pole-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Richard_Carew_Pole" class="mw-redirect" title="Richard Carew Pole">Richard Carew Pole</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Richard_Carew_Pole-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Richard Carew Pole"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z-Richard_Carew_Pole"></span>I actually understood your first edit summary! <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z-Richard_Carew_Pole" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z-Richard_Carew_Pole"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z-Richard_Carew_Pole"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"></span>Good! I just wanted to correct my error to make sure people understand.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T01:38:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2007-09-12T01:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Artikel_de:Ɋ" data-mw-thread-id="h-Artikel_de:Ɋ-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"><span id="Artikel_de:.C9.8A"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Artikel_de:Ɋ-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Artikel <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C9%8A" class="extiw" title="de:Ɋ">de:Ɋ</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Artikel_de:Ɋ-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Artikel de:Ɋ"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z-Artikel_de:Ɋ"></span>Weil ich nicht weiß ob das mit dem Verlinken klappt, nochmal ein <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C9%8A">Weblink dahin</a>. Könntest du mal den Artikel angucken, du hast vielleicht die Ressourcen, um die von mir in der <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/10._September_2007#.C9.8A_.28d.C3.BCrfte_erledigt_sein.29">ersten Löschdiskussion</a> aufgeworfene Frage <i>wie wurde es ausgesprochen bzw. warum wurde es eingeführt und warum braucht man es nimmer?</i> zu beantworten? (Inzwischen hat der Artikel einen neuen Löschantrag aus einem anderen Grund. Grüße. --<a href="/wiki/User:Matthiasb-DE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Matthiasb-DE">Matthiasb-DE</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z-Artikel_de:Ɋ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z-Artikel_de:Ɋ"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z-Artikel_de:Ɋ"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T13:28:00.000Z-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, I don't know it. I suggest to rename it to "Q mit Hakenschwanz" or something like that, like <a href="/wiki/Q_with_hook_tail" title="Q with hook tail">Q with hook tail</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-12T13:28:00.000Z-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T13:28:00.000Z-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-12T13:28:00.000Z-Matthiasb-DE-2007-09-12T13:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Moving,_accusations,_etc." data-mw-thread-id="h-Moving,_accusations,_etc.-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"><span id="Moving.2C_accusations.2C_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Moving,_accusations,_etc.-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"></span>Moving, accusations, etc.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Moving,_accusations,_etc.-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Moving, accusations, etc."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z-Moving,_accusations,_etc."></span>Apparently the user I accused of malicious intent in moving that page is eight years old, and edits the Dutch Wikipedia with special mentors. Strange things. <a href="/wiki/User:Krator" title="User:Krator">User:Krator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krator" title="User talk:Krator">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Krator" title="Special:Contributions/Krator">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z-Moving,_accusations,_etc." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z-Moving,_accusations,_etc."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z-Moving,_accusations,_etc."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T00:42:00.000Z-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I know. It is not particularly relevant in this matter, though.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-16T00:42:00.000Z-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T00:42:00.000Z-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T00:42:00.000Z-Krator-2007-09-16T00:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Row1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Row1-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Row1-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Row1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Row1 (page does not exist)">Row1</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Row1-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Row1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z-Row1"></span>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Row1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Row1 (page does not exist)">Row1</a>, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#Articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub#Essential_information_about_stubs" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Wikipedia:Stub</a> for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notable</a> subjects and should provide references to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verify</a> their content. </p><p>Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrators</a> wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template <b><code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hangon" title="Template:Hangon">hangon</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code></b> to the article and state your intention on the article's <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Talk page">talk page</a>. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. <a href="/wiki/User:B1atv" title="User:B1atv">B1atv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z-Row1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z-Row1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z-Row1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T10:55:00.000Z-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"></span>I fixed it, it had to be <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Row1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Row1 (page does not exist)">Template:Row1</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-09-16T10:55:00.000Z-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T10:55:00.000Z-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-09-16T10:55:00.000Z-B1atv-2007-09-16T09:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_of_article_you_created" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_of_article_you_created-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_of_article_you_created-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z"></span>Deletion of article you created<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_of_article_you_created-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Deletion of article you created"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBZROCKS-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_you_created"></span>I have nominated <a href="/wiki/Quint_(Jaws_character)" class="mw-redirect" title="Quint (Jaws character)">Quint (Jaws character)</a> for deletion its entry is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Quint_(Jaws_character)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quint (Jaws character)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quint (Jaws character)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DBZROCKS" title="User:DBZROCKS"><span style="color:orange;"><i><b>DBZROCKS</b></i></span></a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBZROCKS" title="User talk:DBZROCKS"><span style="color:red;"><i><b>Its over 9000!!!</b></i></span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-DBZROCKS-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_you_created" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBZROCKS-2007-09-19T12:39:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_you_created"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Db-author" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Db-author">db-author</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:B1atv" title="User:B1atv">B1atv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-B1atv-2007-09-20T15:05:00.000Z-In_love" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B1atv-2007-09-20T15:05:00.000Z-In_love"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B1atv-2007-09-20T15:05:00.000Z-In_love"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor" title="Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor">Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor"></span>Hi Patrick, I've removed the reference added that was to a blog, (blogs aren't generally considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>), but there is plenty of news coverage about the issues of Ramadan and prayer in space for Shukor, so I've simply replaced the blog ref with the refs already existing in the article that discuss the details. Hope that helps clear it up! Cheers, <sup><a href="/wiki/User:ArielGold" title="User:ArielGold"><span style="color:#8B00FF;"><b>Ariel</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ArielGold" title="Special:Contributions/ArielGold"><span style="color:#F64A8A;">♥</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArielGold" title="User talk:ArielGold"><span style="color:#007FFF;"><b>Gold</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z-Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"></span>On the other hand, a translation is more interesting than just a summary.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:34:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z"></span>True, I just thought in this case, for the non-muslim, a summary was just as interesting. Most non-muslims would not really grasp the translation's intent or meaning, and the newspapers seem to have done a quite thorough job at finding a balance between both. If you'd like to add the title of the guideline, feel free, I just (being non-muslim) found it confusing, and thought it easier to understand in summary form. I hope you know I wasn't criticizing you in any way, but just editing for readers unfamiliar with the issue. :o) Cheers, <sup><a href="/wiki/User:ArielGold" title="User:ArielGold"><span style="color:#8B00FF;"><b>Ariel</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ArielGold" title="Special:Contributions/ArielGold"><span style="color:#F64A8A;">♥</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArielGold" title="User talk:ArielGold"><span style="color:#007FFF;"><b>Gold</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:34:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:34:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArielGold-2007-10-07T07:34:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-07T07:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" title="Kingdom of the Netherlands">Kingdom of the Netherlands</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Kingdom of the Netherlands"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span>As you may have noticed I'm cleaning up and improving the article about the <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" title="Kingdom of the Netherlands">Kingdom of the Netherlands</a> at the moment. I saw that you restored the section in Demographics that was about the demographics of the individual islands withing the <a href="/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles" title="Netherlands Antilles">Netherlands Antilles</a>. I deleted that section because it is: </p><p>a) of no relevance for the Kingdom article as it specifies how many people live within the 5 individual island areas of the Netherlands Antilles, and as such should be mentioned in <a href="/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles" title="Netherlands Antilles">Netherlands Antilles</a>, and not in the article about the Kingdom. We don't list the number of people living in the 12 Dutch provinces there either. </p> <dl><dd>It is more convenient to have these data together. If you like you can add the number of people living in the 12 Dutch provinces, but that is less needed, because geographically they are more a unity than the islands. Also, in view of the changes in status of islands the separate figures become even more relevant.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z"></span>That is true, but the data is also incorrect. I'll try and find some correct data on this. I hope you don't mind that I delete the reference to the currency used in the different constituent countries, as that has nothing to do with Demographics. I'll see if I can find a place where it is relevant. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T22:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:00:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Move_some_data_from_infobox_to_table.3F" title="Talk:Kingdom of the Netherlands">Talk:Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Move_some_data_from_infobox_to_table.3F</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:00:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:00:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:00:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span>b) that section was not wikified and written in a bad way, so restoring it degrades the quality of the article again, where I was trying to give the article an upgrade. </p><p>I'm looking forward to your opinion on this. Kind Regards, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span>Please stop frustrating my efforts to improve the article. The Kingdom Government consists of the Crown and the Council of Ministers of the Kingdom. The latter consists of the Dutch Council of Ministers + 1 Minister Plenipotentiary from the NA and 1 from Aruba. The PM of Aruba and/or the Neth. Ant. do NOT take part in the Kingdom Government. I wrote that in my summary. I don't see why you reverted my edit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z"></span>That is no reason to remove an overview of prime ministers of the three countries.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z"></span>The article is not an overview of three constituent countries, it is about the Kingdom of the Netherlands and its government, that's why it has a country infobox. As said earlier, the Prime Minister of Aruba and/or the Netherlands Antilles do NOT take part in the Kingdom Government, so why list them in the infobox as "leaders"??? They are listed as PMs on <a href="/wiki/Aruba" title="Aruba">Aruba</a> and <a href="/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles" title="Netherlands Antilles">Netherlands Antilles</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:21:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z"></span>They do not have to be put in the infobox, they can be put somewhere else in the article. The principle of an overview is that the info is shown together, not only in three separate articles.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:21:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:21:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:21:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span>Did you read what I just wrote? "The article is NOT an OVERVIEW of three constituent countries, it is about the Kingdom of the Netherlands and its government". We do not list the 50 governors of the different states in the <a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a> article, do we? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z"></span>I do not agree. It should contain various overviews: info shown together, even though that info is also dividedly available on separate pages.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-13T23:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T00:09:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span>But definately not in the infobox. I have nothing against the name of the Aruban and NA PM put in the article and you are free to do that, but the infobox should list the government of the Kingdom, not of the individual states. It would look strange to you too (I hope!) if the <a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a> article infobox would list the 50 governors, but not President George Bush (note that the previous version only mentioned Jan Peter Balkenende as the PM of the Netherlands, and not as Chair of the Council of Ministers of the Kingdom!). We could mention the Ministers Plenipotentiary though... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T00:09:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T00:09:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T00:09:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-10-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span>I added a new table to the article, with the islands of the NA, and I mentioned the current governors and PMs of Aruba and the NA in the "Constituent nations" section. Also mentioned the use of the different currencies there. Hope you like it. Please don't revert again. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maartenvdbent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maartenvdbent (page does not exist)">Maarten</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-14T07:23:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that is fine, thanks. Now let us restore the Dutch terms <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands&diff=164310784&oldid=164310095">[1]</a>, it is not like giving translations in arbitrary languages, Dutch is the main language spoken in the Kingdom. If you like we can use footnotes.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-14T07:23:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-14T07:23:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-14T07:23:00.000Z-Maartenvdbent-2007-10-14T02:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Ftl.2C_Sqr_and_Template:Hist"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z"></span>Template:Ftl, Sqr and Template:Hist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Template:Ftl, Sqr and Template:Hist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist"></span>Hi, I just noticed that some templates you created, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Ftl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Ftl (page does not exist)">Template:Ftl</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Sqr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Sqr (page does not exist)">Template:Sqr</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Hist&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Hist (page does not exist)">Template:Hist</a>, are unused and appear to be abandoned. I've marked them as deprecated, meaning they'll be deleted in two weeks' time if nobody objects. If there's a reason to keep them please leave a note at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Deprecated_and_orphaned_templates" title="Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates">Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Bryan_Derksen" title="User:Bryan Derksen">Bryan Derksen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-16T02:29:00.000Z-Template:Ftl,_Sqr_and_Template:Hist"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Octahedral_symmetry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Octahedral_symmetry-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Octahedral_symmetry-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Octahedral_symmetry" title="Octahedral symmetry">Octahedral symmetry</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Octahedral_symmetry-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Octahedral symmetry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z-Octahedral_symmetry"></span>Hello, </p><p>There is an interesting relation here to Riemann surfaces. The most symmetric Riemann surface of genus 2, namely the <a href="/wiki/Bolza_surface" title="Bolza surface">Bolza surface</a>, admits 48 automorphisms and its automorphism group is closely related to the octahedron. If you think it may be worth adding a link, I can try to elaborate on this at that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Katzmik" title="User:Katzmik">Katzmik</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z-Octahedral_symmetry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z-Octahedral_symmetry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z-Octahedral_symmetry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-25T23:41:00.000Z-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"></span>Yes, please do, that sounds interesting.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-25T23:41:00.000Z-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-25T23:41:00.000Z-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-25T23:41:00.000Z-Katzmik-2007-10-25T16:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"></span>Edit request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Edit request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z-Edit_request"></span>Thank you for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Film" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox Film">Infobox Film</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, can you do the same for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hidden" title="Template:Hidden">Hidden</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> please? <a href="/wiki/User:16@r" title="User:16@r">16@r</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z-Edit_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z-Edit_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z-Edit_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-27T14:42:00.000Z-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"></span>Done.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-27T14:42:00.000Z-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-27T14:42:00.000Z-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-27T14:42:00.000Z-16@r-2007-10-27T14:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:PMediaWiki_talk" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:PMediaWiki_talk-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:PMediaWiki_talk-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z"></span>Template:PMediaWiki talk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:PMediaWiki_talk-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Template:PMediaWiki talk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"></span>Hi, I just noticed that a template you created, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:PMediaWiki_talk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:PMediaWiki talk (page does not exist)">Template:PMediaWiki talk</a>, is unused and appears to be abandoned. I've marked it as deprecated, meaning it'll be deleted in two weeks' time if nobody objects. If there's a reason to keep it please leave a note at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Deprecated_and_orphaned_templates" title="Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates">Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates</a> and feel free to remove the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Deprecated" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Deprecated">deprecated</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tag from the template. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Bryan_Derksen" title="User:Bryan Derksen">Bryan Derksen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:06:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"></span>Also just came across <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:PUser_talk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:PUser talk (page does not exist)">Template:PUser talk</a>, with the same situation. Is there one of these for each namespace? <a href="/wiki/User:Bryan_Derksen" title="User:Bryan Derksen">Bryan Derksen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z-Template:PMediaWiki_talk"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-10-29T10:42:00.000Z-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z"></span>They were for a branching technique before we had ParserFunctions, see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Array_(older_methods)#An_array_method_using_an_auxiliary_template_for_each_value_of_the_index_used" class="extiw" title="m:Help:Array (older methods)">m:Help:Array_(older_methods)#An_array_method_using_an_auxiliary_template_for_each_value_of_the_index_used</a>. I deleted the ones I found which I made. There are still some with P and a number, e.g. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:P100&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:P100 (page does not exist)">Template:P100</a>, by other editors.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-10-29T10:42:00.000Z-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-10-29T10:42:00.000Z-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-10-29T10:42:00.000Z-Bryan_Derksen-2007-10-29T09:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shalom!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shalom!-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z"><span id="Shalom.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shalom!-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z"></span>Shalom!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shalom!-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Shalom!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shir-El_too-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z-Shalom!"></span>I'm trying to expand and bring the <a href="/wiki/Eilat" title="Eilat">Eilat</a> page up to date. From the history/talk pages you have been there too, so please come and see what we can do to make it even better. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Shir-El_too" title="User:Shir-El too">Shir-El too</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Shir-El_too-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z-Shalom!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shir-El_too-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z-Shalom!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shir-El_too-2007-10-29T13:30:00.000Z-Shalom!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51.2C_November_3.2C_2007"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Template:Documentation reverted 20:51, November 3, 2007<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Template:Documentation reverted 20:51, November 3, 2007"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007"></span>An explanation is available <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#Reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007:_Subsection_edit_links_issue" title="Template talk:Documentation">here</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-03T21:01:00.000Z-Template:Documentation_reverted_20:51,_November_3,_2007"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Beam_riding" data-mw-thread-id="h-Beam_riding-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Beam_riding-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span>Beam riding<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Beam_riding-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Beam riding"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Akradecki-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z-Beam_riding"></span>Thanks for your input on the MANPADS page. Regarding "beam riding", that terminology comes directly from the congressional report, updated in 2006, and since that section references that source, shouldn't we leave it as the source describes it? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki" title="User:Akradecki"><span style="color:#62BB32;">AK<span style="color:#006400;">Radecki</span></span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akradecki" title="User talk:Akradecki"><sup style="color:#62BB32;">Speaketh</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Akradecki-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z-Beam_riding" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akradecki-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z-Beam_riding"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akradecki-2007-11-05T16:17:00.000Z-Beam_riding"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ME/CVS_Vereniging" data-mw-thread-id="h-ME/CVS_Vereniging-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z"><span id="ME.2FCVS_Vereniging"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ME/CVS_Vereniging-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z"></span>ME/CVS Vereniging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ME/CVS_Vereniging-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: ME/CVS Vereniging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jreferee-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z-ME/CVS_Vereniging"></span>In view of your many contributions to <a href="/wiki/Netherlands" title="Netherlands">Netherlands</a>, please consider the following. <a href="/w/index.php?title=ME/CVS_Vereniging&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="ME/CVS Vereniging (page does not exist)">ME/CVS Vereniging</a> (ME/CFS Association) is one of the three patient organizations for Chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis and post-viral fatigue syndrome in the Netherlands. The deleted article now is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_November_5#ME.2FCVS_Vereniging" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 5">at deletion review.</a> The references are in a foreign language and an issue at DRV is whether there was enough reference material independent of ME/CVS Vereniging's control or anyone associated with ME/CVS Vereniging to create a Wikipedia article. Please consider participating in that DRV to assist in determining whether the references are independent from ME/CVS Vereniging or in some way connected to ME/CVS Vereniging. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jreferee" title="User:Jreferee"><span style="font-family:Kristen ITC; color:#2A52BE;"><b>Jreferee </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jreferee" title="User talk:Jreferee"><span style="color:#007BA7;"> t</span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jreferee" title="Special:Contributions/Jreferee"><span style="color:#007FFF;">c</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Jreferee-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z-ME/CVS_Vereniging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jreferee-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z-ME/CVS_Vereniging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jreferee-2007-11-05T17:03:00.000Z-ME/CVS_Vereniging"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z"><span id="Template_talk:Documentation.23Revision_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z"></span>Template talk:Documentation#Revision 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Template talk:Documentation#Revision 2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2"></span>I slipped in an edit and here's the rationale <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2" title="Template talk:Documentation">Template talk:Documentation#Revision 2</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T10:52:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#Revision_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL...-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z"><span id="Template_talk:Documentation.23SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL...-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z"></span>Template talk:Documentation#SUBJECT... versus FULL...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL...-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Template talk:Documentation#SUBJECT... versus FULL..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..." title="Template talk:Documentation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."></span>Template talk:Documentation#SUBJECT... versus FULL...</a> is an important issue affecting the merge and part of your recent work. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:06:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."></span> </p><p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:33:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."></span>Topic updated</b> – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:33:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:33:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-06T11:33:00.000Z-Template_talk:Documentation#SUBJECT..._versus_FULL..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Documentation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Documentation-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Documentation-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Template:Documentation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Documentation-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Template:Documentation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"></span>I don't understand what you're trying to fix. It worked fine before for the case I pointed to (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SONG#Infobox" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SONG">WP:SONG#Infobox</a>), and it now uses excessive whitespace for such cases. You haven't shown any examples of cases that your change fixes. Perhaps there is a solution that works for all cases, but I can't tell since I don't know what problem you're trying to solve. Substing is not a good solution. --<a href="/wiki/User:PEJL" title="User:PEJL">PEJL</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z-Template:Documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T01:31:00.000Z-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"></span>It is in the edit summaries:</dd></dl> <ul><li>transclude the doc page if it exists only, use edit link otherwise, because that gives preload</li> <li>newline is needed for the case that the documentation starts with a section</li></ul> <dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-07T01:31:00.000Z-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T01:31:00.000Z-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T01:31:00.000Z-PEJL-2007-11-06T16:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T08:14:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage" title="Template:Documentation subpage">Documentation subpage</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> edited to fix the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SONG#Infobox" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SONG">WP:SONG#Infobox</a> extra line. The rationale is <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation_subpage#New_lines_removed" title="Template talk:Documentation subpage">here</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T08:14:00.000Z-Template:Documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T08:14:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T08:14:00.000Z-Template:Documentation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc-Template:Documentation-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc-Template:Documentation-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"></span>Merge from Template:Template doc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc-Template:Documentation-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Merge from Template:Template doc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Template_doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Template doc">Template doc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> are both highly visible template systems. Errors during their merge are potentially widely disruptive. I write you as an active <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> editor and merge supporter. Given this is my first big merger I ask how do these things get organized (if at all) and finally done? To mitigate errors I'm trying attract review participation by proposing work and reporting progress for this merge <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" title="Template talk:Documentation">here</a>. Is this much talk appropriate or over done for a merge process like this one? TIA – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"></span>It looks like we can just redirect <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Template_doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Template doc">Template doc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-07T09:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T03:21:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z"></span>Not that simple but not bad either:<blockquote><p><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Template_doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Template doc">Template doc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> transcludes <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_inline&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template doc inline (page does not exist)">Template doc inline</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> transcludes <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:/doc" title="Template:/doc">/doc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> which <b>may</b> or <b>may <i>NOT</i></b> transclude <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template doc page (page does not exist)">Template doc page</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_page_transcluded&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template doc page transcluded (page does not exist)">Template doc page transcluded</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for "<i>This documentation is transcluded from...</i>" display.<br/>whereas<br/><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> generates "<i>...transcluded from...</i>" by default and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage" title="Template:Documentation subpage">Documentation subpage</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> never does.<br/>The solution is sandboxed and tested and now I need permission to implement it.</p></blockquote>Right now I need admin supoort to lower the protection level on <span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Template:Template_doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Template doc">Template:Template doc</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">(<a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Template_doc" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Template doc">backlinks</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc&action=edit">edit</a>)</span></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_inline&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template doc inline (page does not exist)">Template:Template doc inline</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">(<a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Template_doc_inline" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Template doc inline">backlinks</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_inline&action=edit">edit</a>)</span></span> from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Pp-template" title="Template:Pp-template">pp-template</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to just <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Pp-semi-template" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Pp-semi-template">pp-semi-template</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T03:21:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T03:21:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T03:21:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T10:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span>So we have to: </p> <ul><li>redirect <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Template_doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Template doc">Template doc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">Documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></li> <li>redirect <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template doc page (page does not exist)">Template doc page</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage" title="Template:Documentation subpage">Documentation subpage</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></li></ul> <p>Is that right?--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T18:49:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z"></span>No, it's more complicated than just redirection.<br/>I'll document the plan and notify you when done. Thank you! – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T18:49:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T18:49:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-10T18:49:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-10T08:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span>The project's not neglected. <a href="/wiki/User:MZMcBride" title="User:MZMcBride">User:MZMcBride</a> was available for <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MZMcBride#Template:Documentation_merge" title="User talk:MZMcBride">support</a> and I continued the work. I've asked <a href="/wiki/User:MZMcBride" title="User:MZMcBride">User:MZMcBride</a> and now solicit you for <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#Merge_into_template_protection" title="Template talk:Documentation">Merge into template protection</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Documentation#Merge_from_template_protection" title="Template talk:Documentation">Merge from template protection</a>. When convenient please implement <b>Merging Level</b> protection. I've noted the <b>Current Level</b> protection for your convenience. Thank you. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Template_doc"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Done <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Template_doc_page_viewed_directly&diff=170924520&oldid=170311468">[2]</a>. That was the only one still requested, it seems.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T03:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-17T08:23:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z"></span>I apologize for not returning here earlier to say, "Thank you!" but I did see the edit and noted your contribution on the talk page about an hour after it happened. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ConradPino" title="User talk:ConradPino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-17T08:23:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-17T08:23:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-17T08:23:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T08:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="American_Gangster" data-mw-thread-id="h-American_Gangster-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-American_Gangster-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"></span>American Gangster<span data-mw-comment-end="h-American_Gangster-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: American Gangster"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z-American_Gangster"></span>Considering you've seen the film, can you not expand the Plot section to the appropriate length per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSFILMS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSFILMS">WP:MOSFILMS</a> in one fell swoop? I've never seen this so-called "gradual" trend -- it's either small, then goes to the right size, or gets too large, and needs to be trimmed back down. There isn't progressive growth, and such a section is too minimal that reader may not be aware that you're spoiling it until it's too late. I highly suggest adding on to the section. —<a href="/wiki/User:Erik" title="User:Erik">Erik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik" title="User talk:Erik">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Erik" title="Special:Contributions/Erik">contrib</a>) - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z-American_Gangster" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z-American_Gangster"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z-American_Gangster"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"></span>Just like with other (sections of) articles, growth is very often gradual. "Plot" means it contains spoilers.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T02:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z"></span>What I'm saying is that it's as short as a Premise section, so with not enough content in it, a reader may read it before catching him or herself, as opposed to an obviously significant body of text for the Plot. —<a href="/wiki/User:Erik" title="User:Erik">Erik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik" title="User talk:Erik">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Erik" title="Special:Contributions/Erik">contrib</a>) - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-07T02:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T09:16:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z"></span>I would not mind a spoiler warning, but see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler" title="Wikipedia:Spoiler">Wikipedia:Spoiler</a>. Some all-or-nothing policy as alternative for spoiler warnings does not seem suitable.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-07T09:16:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T09:16:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-07T09:16:00.000Z-Erik-2007-11-07T03:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_help-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_help-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"></span>Template help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_help-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Template help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z-Template_help"></span>Well, that was easy! Cheers Patrick :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Gobeirne" title="User:Gobeirne">Gobeirne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gobeirne" title="User talk:Gobeirne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z-Template_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z-Template_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z-Template_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"></span>You are welcome.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T10:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z"></span>Actually, any idea about the space at the beginning? e.g. November 20th 2007 was 17 years and 1 day ago. - <a href="/wiki/User:Gobeirne" title="User:Gobeirne">Gobeirne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gobeirne" title="User talk:Gobeirne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T10:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z"></span>That is the nbsp in <a href="/wiki/Template:User_Wikipedian_For/Exp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:User Wikipedian For/Exp">Template:User Wikipedian For/Exp</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z-Gobeirne-2007-11-21T11:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-22T01:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z"></span>Great! - <a href="/wiki/User:Gobeirne" title="User:Gobeirne">Gobeirne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gobeirne" title="User talk:Gobeirne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Gobeirne-2007-11-22T01:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-22T01:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gobeirne-2007-11-22T01:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-21T13:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:On_nl" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:On_nl-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:On_nl-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z"></span>Template:On nl<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:On_nl-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Template:On nl"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z-Template:On_nl"></span>A template you created, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:On_nl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:On nl (page does not exist)">Template:On nl</a>, has been marked for deletion as a deprecated and orphaned template. 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Thanks for your attention. <a href="/wiki/User:Bryan_Derksen" title="User:Bryan Derksen">Bryan Derksen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bryan_Derksen" title="User talk:Bryan Derksen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z-Template:On_nl" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z-Template:On_nl"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bryan_Derksen-2007-11-26T08:34:00.000Z-Template:On_nl"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"><span id="commons:user_talk:Gangleri.2Fmonobook.js.23comments"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"></span><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments" class="extiw" title="commons:user talk:Gangleri/monobook.js">commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments"></span>Dear Patrick, Please take a look at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments" class="extiw" title="commons:user talk:Gangleri/monobook.js">commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments</a>.<br/> Should "<i><b><span class="plainlinks" align="center" >...</span></b></i>"<br/> not be an equivalent of<br/> "<i><b><center><span class="plainlinks" >...</span></center></b></i>" ? <br/> Best regards ·‎<a href="/wiki/User:Gangleri" title="User:Gangleri">Gangleri</a>·<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gangleri" title="User talk:Gangleri">T</a>·<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Gangleri" class="extiw" title="m:user:Gangleri">m:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Gangleri?action=history">Th</a>·<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Gangleri" class="extiw" title="m:user talk:Gangleri">T</a>·<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:Emailuser/Gangleri" class="extiw" title="m:special:Emailuser/Gangleri">email me</a>·‎ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z-commons:user_talk:Gangleri/monobook.js#comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-28T07:52:00.000Z-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, I don't know.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-28T07:52:00.000Z-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-28T07:52:00.000Z-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-28T07:52:00.000Z-Gangleri-2007-11-28T01:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"></span>Template talk:Infobox actor - Edit requested 7-Nov-2007<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Template talk:Infobox actor - Edit requested 7-Nov-2007"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"></span>At <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_actor&direction=prev&oldid=153208654">16:30, August 22, 2007 I contributed</a> to <span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_actor" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox actor">Template:Infobox actor</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">(<a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_actor" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox actor">backlinks</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_actor&action=edit">edit</a>)</span></span>. The <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_actor&oldid=153208654">following day another admin kept my contribution</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=Template:Infobox_actor">protected the template</a>. I support the decision. – I write you at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Template:Infobox_actor_edit_request" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">this user's suggestion</a>. Please visit <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_actor#Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Infobox actor">Template talk:Infobox actor#Edit requested 7-Nov-2007</a> and suggest improvements leading to action. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"></span>Done.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T04:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template disabled. – <a href="/wiki/User:ConradPino" title="User:ConradPino">Conrad T. Pino</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-11-12T07:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-All_Hallow's_Wraith-2007-12-06T20:23:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z"></span>Hi, I was involved in the discussion about the IMDB template over at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_actor#IMDB_link_in_infobox.3F" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Infobox actor">Template_talk:Infobox_actor#IMDB_link_in_infobox.3F</a>. The comments by the last few users (Garion96, Kbthompson, Rossrs, Melty girl, and myself) are in support of the removal of the IMDB link from the infobox. I don't know if this is a strong enough consensus comment to remove it, but it is a stronger consensus than there ever was to add it in the first place. Would you mind commenting on this issue further or taking action in removing the IMDB link from the infobox? The discussion seems to have otherwise died down and the last user to oppose its removal, User:linca, has not replied in over 10 days. <a href="/wiki/User:All_Hallow%27s_Wraith" title="User:All Hallow's Wraith">All Hallow's Wraith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:All_Hallow%27s_Wraith" title="User talk:All Hallow's Wraith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-All_Hallow's_Wraith-2007-12-06T20:23:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-All_Hallow's_Wraith-2007-12-06T20:23:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-All_Hallow's_Wraith-2007-12-06T20:23:00.000Z-ConradPino-2007-11-12T14:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"></span>Would you be so kind as to rename this template's parameter "partner(s)" as "domestic partner(s)"? The documentation already specifies that it's for domestic partners, but as per <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_actor#Partners" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Infobox actor">our discussion on the template talk page</a>, confusion would be reduced with a rename of the parameter itself. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z-Template_talk:Infobox_actor_-_Edit_requested_7-Nov-2007"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z"></span>Changing a parameter name is tricky, we would have to find the pages that use the old name and on each page change the name in the template call. Alternatively we can add the possibility of using the new name, while also keeping the code for the old one, for backward compatibility.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick#top" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-09T07:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z"></span>I do realize that changing the parameter name would render the current "partners" invisible. But consensus is there for this change, and editors who maintain pages that currently use the "partner" parameter will go to the template page and discover what's happened. Then they will either correct the parameter name or realize that what they had entered is inappropriate -- and that's the intended result. We want users to be alerted to the proper use of the parameter because of the existing problems. The current entries will not be lost, they will only be invisible and are easily fixed. I think the consensus decision should be implemented. Thanks for your help. --<a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-09T10:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-11T04:04:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for making the change! --<a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2007-12-11T04:04:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-11T04:04:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2007-12-11T04:04:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2007-12-10T18:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_Help_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_Help_2-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_Help_2-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span>Template Help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_Help_2-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Template Help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z-Template_Help_2"></span>Thanks for you reply on the subject of <a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box">Template:US state navigation box</a> I felt brave enough to edit the South Carolina template, but I am worried that I might mess things up editing the US State template. If you get the time, can you help me out. I would be messing up 50 state templates and that would be bad. Thanks for help, <a href="/wiki/User:Rocketmaniac" title="User:Rocketmaniac">Rocketmaniac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocketmaniac" title="User talk:Rocketmaniac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z-Template_Help_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z-Template_Help_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z-Template_Help_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span>I increased the capacity from 7 to 8, it is straightforward. You can add more if needed in a similar way.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick#top" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:41:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span>Two thumbs up! Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Rocketmaniac" title="User:Rocketmaniac">Rocketmaniac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocketmaniac" title="User talk:Rocketmaniac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:41:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:41:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocketmaniac-2007-12-10T16:41:00.000Z-Patrick-2007-12-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tax_Deduction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tax_Deduction-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tax_Deduction-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"></span>Tax Deduction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tax_Deduction-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Tax Deduction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z-Tax_Deduction"></span>Hey Patrick, I restored the distinction between <a href="/wiki/Tax_deduction" title="Tax deduction">tax deduction</a> and tax credit that you removed. It's possible my language was not as clear as it could be, but this is an important distinction and also serves to link important tax concepts together. Feel free to change the language if you'd like it to be clearer. <a href="/wiki/User:Twinotter" title="User:Twinotter">Twinotter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twinotter" title="User talk:Twinotter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z-Tax_Deduction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z-Tax_Deduction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z-Tax_Deduction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2007-12-11T00:41:00.000Z-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"></span>If you have e.g. a flat tax of 30% with a tax return, then the result is progressive, tax varies from 0% for low incomes to almost 30% for a large income.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick#top" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2007-12-11T00:41:00.000Z-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2007-12-11T00:41:00.000Z-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2007-12-11T00:41:00.000Z-Twinotter-2007-12-10T19:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_usage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_usage-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_usage-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Template usage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_usage-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Template usage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Template_usage"></span>re: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ml&action=history">one example</a> Hi, and happy holidays! </p><p>Request you run a "my contributions templates", particularly going way back, and check that things you've done here have some kind of usage... in particular, suggest <b>purpose</b> and <b>usage</b> lines. Don't give a damn if you use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Documentation" title="Template:Documentation">documentation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template and /doc pages, but some clues to the rest of us in a noinclude block would be a <i>good thing!!!</i> Thanks! // <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fabartus" title="User:Fabartus">Fra</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabartus" title="User talk:Fabartus"><span style="color:green;">nkB</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Template_usage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Template_usage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Template_usage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Oh, btw, I'm adding some teeth to your BOT "twist" on VPP... be saved in a few... // <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fabartus" title="User:Fabartus">Fra</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabartus" title="User talk:Fabartus"><span style="color:green;">nkB</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z-Fabartus-2007-12-11T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z"></span>AfD nomination of <a href="/wiki/Page_widening" class="mw-redirect" title="Page widening">Page widening</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of Page widening"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BJBot-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/48px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/72px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/96px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>An article that you have been involved in editing, <a href="/wiki/Page_widening" class="mw-redirect" title="Page widening">Page widening</a>, has been listed for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. 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Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:BJBot" title="User:BJBot">BJBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BJBot" title="User talk:BJBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-BJBot-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BJBot-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BJBot-2007-12-31T15:29:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Page_widening"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"><span id="Wikiproject_LDS_movement.2FTemples"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"></span>Wikiproject LDS movement/Temples<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Wikiproject LDS movement/Temples"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples"></span>Thanks for editing the talk page and bringing the discussion on the village pump to my attention. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del" title="User talk:Trödel"><span style="color:#0066CC;">Trödel</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z-Wikiproject_LDS_movement/Temples"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-03T01:16:00.000Z-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"></span>You are welcome.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-03T01:16:00.000Z-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-03T01:16:00.000Z-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-03T01:16:00.000Z-Trödel-2008-01-02T21:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z"><span id="m:Help_talk:Piped_link.23some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z"></span><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages" class="extiw" title="m:Help talk:Piped link">m:Help talk:Piped link#some guidlines for transcluded pages</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: m:Help talk:Piped link#some guidlines for transcluded pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-לערי_ריינהארט-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages"></span>Dear Patrick! Thanks for your work at the documentation. Please see also <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages" class="extiw" title="m:Help talk:Piped link">m:Help talk:Piped link#some guidlines for transcluded pages</a>. Best regards<br/> ‫·‏<a href="/wiki/User:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" title="User:לערי ריינהארט">לערי ריינהארט</a>‏·‏<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" title="User talk:לערי ריינהארט">T</a>‏·‏<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" class="extiw" title="m:user:לערי ריינהארט">m</a>‏:‏<a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98?action=history">Th</a>‏·‏<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user_talk:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" class="extiw" title="m:user talk:לערי ריינהארט">T</a>‏·‏<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:Emailuser/%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" class="extiw" title="m:special:Emailuser/לערי ריינהארט">email me</a>‏·‏‬ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-לערי_ריינהארט-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-לערי_ריינהארט-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-לערי_ריינהארט-2008-01-04T06:14:00.000Z-m:Help_talk:Piped_link#some_guidlines_for_transcluded_pages"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z"><span id="Once_.28film.29:_user_blocking_or_page_protection.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Once_(film)" title="Once (film)">Once (film)</a>: user blocking or page protection?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Once (film): user blocking or page protection?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span>Hello again -- I'm a major contributor to the page for <i><a href="/wiki/Once_(film)" title="Once (film)">Once</a></i>, and we're having edit war trouble with an IP user who posts from many IPs that start with 71.99. If you check the history, you'll see that this person insists on adding a Czech quote from the movie to the Plot section; another user and I have reverted, but this person keeps coming back despite discussion. Different users who say they know Czech have disagreed about what the phase in question actually is (and it's not verifiable for most English WP users), the phase isn't subtitled onscreen, and quotes in film plot summaries is not neceessary anyway. The talk page shows that the user has been uncivil, won't discuss, and ignores current and past discussions on the topic there and at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films/Archive_16#Question_about_sourcing_in_plots_of_film_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films/Archive 16">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films/Archive_16#Question_about_sourcing_in_plots_of_film_articles</a>. But can a roaming user be blocked for edit warring? Does this merit page protection to ward off this anon editor? Thanks for your help. --<a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-09T22:32:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span>Bunch of lies here? She clearly says:"Miluju Tebe". I did not add translation of the meaning as per plot?</dd></dl> <p>and meltygirl argument:" Different users who say they know Czech have disagreed about what the phase in question actually " is big LYE! there is no such a disagreetment. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.99.117.144" title="Special:Contributions/71.99.117.144">71.99.117.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.99.117.144" title="User talk:71.99.117.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Um, check the talk page and you'll see where someone else quotes the Czech differently. And I never said this user added a translation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z-71.99.117.144-2008-01-10T03:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-11T18:52:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, Patrick! --<a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2008-01-11T18:52:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-11T18:52:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-11T18:52:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-10T06:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span>The anon user is back. Discussion of the issue is ongoing among civil editors, and the issue has shifted slightly, because a source was found, and the info was added to the Production section. WikiProject Films editors favor keeping the info out of the Plot section. But the abusive anon user has returned and is reverting. Could you put a longer protection on the article so that only registered users may edit? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Melty_girl" title="User:Melty girl">Melty girl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melty_girl" title="User talk:Melty girl">talk</a>) 19:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC): So meltygirl says "please protect" and you just go blindly and protect? No one is interpreting "miluju Te" otherwise than "I Love You" . Meltygirl is clearly lying here and there. Without any consequences, and that is just ok with you right? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.99.125.232" title="Special:Contributions/71.99.125.232">71.99.125.232</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.99.125.232&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.99.125.232 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Once_(film):_user_blocking_or_page_protection?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-19T23:35:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span>In the case of a controversy it seems practical that the parties concerned log in.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-19T23:35:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-19T23:35:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-19T23:35:00.000Z-Melty_girl-2008-01-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fiorano_Software" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fiorano_Software-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fiorano_Software-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fiorano_Software&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Fiorano Software (page does not exist)">Fiorano Software</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fiorano_Software-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Fiorano Software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z-Fiorano_Software"></span>Hi </p><p>Pls find below the content I would like to write an article on Fiorano Software and everytime I write I get it blocked. </p><p>Pls find below the article and suggest, </p><p>Fiorano Software </p><p>Fiorano Software Inc. is a software company, with headquarters in Los Gatos, California. Fiorano sells business integration software. </p><p>History : </p><p>Atul Saini founded the company in 1995 with the vision of bringing an architectural revolution in the realm of business integration. </p><p>One of the first entrepreneurs to realize the power of Java and JMS, Mr. Saini led Fiorano to become the first company to release a commercial Java product based on Sun Microsystem's Java Message Service in 1998. Today Fiorano's messaging product, FioranoMQ, is the acknowledged leading Java messaging server in the high growth messaging middleware market. </p><p>Mr. Saini has over 15 years of experience in the software industry. He has been a contributing member of the C++ Standards Committee and published an authoritative work on the subject "C++ Programming with the Standard Template Library" (Addison Wesley). Prior to founding Fiorano, Mr. Saini founded Modena Software Inc. which is a leading provider of C++ and Java Test Suites and Libraries. Prior to that, Mr. Saini led compiler development at HAL Computer Systems which was later acquired by Fujitsu of Japan. Mr. Saini holds a Master of Science degree in Computer Science from Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana, and a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science from the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) at Madras. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Editorarshi" title="User:Editorarshi">Editorarshi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Editorarshi" title="User talk:Editorarshi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Editorarshi" title="Special:Contributions/Editorarshi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z-Fiorano_Software" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z-Fiorano_Software"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z-Fiorano_Software"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"></span>We need an independent person who is familiar with this type of software. Such a person could judge the notability of the company and the software, and what is worth mentioning. <a href="/wiki/Business_integration_software" class="mw-redirect" title="Business integration software">Business integration software</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/Enterprise_application_integration" title="Enterprise application integration">Enterprise application integration</a>, so perhaps the editors of that article can take a look. Anyway, the first section is rather small, and the article needs internal links.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z-Editorarshi-2008-01-23T07:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._B.-2008-01-29T15:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z"></span>FYI, we've been indundated with Fiorano Software spam: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Fiorano_Software_(again)" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Fiorano Software (again)</a> <small>(permanent <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam&oldid=187669471#Fiorano_Software_.28again.29">link</a>)</small></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2007_Archive_Aug#Fiorano_Software_spam_on_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive Aug">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive Aug#Fiorano Software spam on Wikipedia</a></li> <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/08#Fiorano_Software_spam" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/08">m:Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/08#Fiorano Software spam</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Fioranoweb_(2nd)" title="Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fioranoweb (2nd)">Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fioranoweb (2nd)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Fioranoweb" title="Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Fioranoweb">Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Fioranoweb</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Fioranoweb_(3rd)" title="Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fioranoweb (3rd)">Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fioranoweb (3rd)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Dealing_with_some_extremely_persistent_spammers" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Dealing with some extremely persistent spammers</a> <small>(permanent <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=187680822#Dealing_with_some_extremely_persistent_spammers">link</a>)</small></li></ol></dd> <dd>--<span style="font-family:Futura;"><a href="/wiki/User:A._B." title="User:A. B.">A. B.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:A._B." title="User talk:A. B."><sup>(talk)</sup></a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-A._B.-2008-01-29T15:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._B.-2008-01-29T15:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._B.-2008-01-29T15:47:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-23T09:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Housing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Housing-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Housing-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Housing" title="Housing">Housing</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Housing-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Housing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BJBot-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z-Housing"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg/48px-Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg/72px-Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg/96px-Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Another editor has added the "<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Prod" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Prod">prod</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>" template to the article <a href="/wiki/Housing" title="Housing">Housing</a>, suggesting that it be deleted according to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion</a> process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a>). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Housing" title="Talk:Housing">its talk page</a>. If you remove the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Prod" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Prod">prod</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion</a>, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. <a href="/wiki/User:BJBot" title="User:BJBot">BJBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BJBot" title="User talk:BJBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-BJBot-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z-Housing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BJBot-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z-Housing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BJBot-2008-01-26T01:29:00.000Z-Housing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Oxford_College_Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Oxford_College_Infobox" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Oxford College Infobox">Template:Oxford College Infobox</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Template:Oxford College Infobox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox"></span>Sorry, but I had to revert your edits as it making a mess of all the college articles. Could you maybe test what you wish to do with the thing before making the edit?--<a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_alf" title="User:Wiki alf">Alf</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_alf" title="User talk:Wiki alf"><sup style="color:green;">melmac</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z-Template:Oxford_College_Infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"></span>It was a mess due to the new preprocessor (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor#en:Template:Oxford_College_Infobox" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Migration to the new preprocessor">m:Talk:Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor#en:Template:Oxford_College_Infobox</a>). I already got the map back and was fixing a second template call.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T12:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:03:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"></span>Even though I reverted there maybe a cache issue affecting the display then, currently we're not seeing good results, I'm happy to leave you with it if you believe you can fix it fine.--<a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_alf" title="User:Wiki alf">Alf</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_alf" title="User talk:Wiki alf"><sup style="color:green;">melmac</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:03:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:03:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:03:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"></span>And my apologies for treading on your toes there then, I hadn't realised that a fault had already been picked up.--<a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_alf" title="User:Wiki alf">Alf</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_alf" title="User talk:Wiki alf"><sup style="color:green;">melmac</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z"></span>You only reverted your second revert. It seems to work now.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T13:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z"></span>Excellent. Again, sorry to tread on your toes.--<a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_alf" title="User:Wiki alf">Alf</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_alf" title="User talk:Wiki alf"><sup style="color:green;">melmac</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-26T13:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T14:51:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z"></span>That's ok.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-26T14:51:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T14:51:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-26T14:51:00.000Z-Wiki_alf-2008-01-26T14:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z"></span>Speedy deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:E0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:E0 (page does not exist)">Template:E0</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion of Template:E0"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MZMcBride-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0"></span>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:E0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:E0 (page does not exist)">Template:E0</a> requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#T3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted. </p><p>If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes. </p><p>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:MZMcBride" title="User:MZMcBride">MZMcBride</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MZMcBride" title="User talk:MZMcBride">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-MZMcBride-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MZMcBride-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MZMcBride-2008-01-27T01:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:E0"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Preprocessor_problems" data-mw-thread-id="h-Preprocessor_problems-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Preprocessor_problems-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Preprocessor problems<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Preprocessor_problems-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Preprocessor problems"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z-Preprocessor_problems"></span>Hi Patrick, </p><p>I guess you're probably quite busy with this sort of thing, but I'm struggling to get a template, <span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Template:Graphical_timeline" title="Template:Graphical timeline">Template:Graphical timeline</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">(<a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Graphical_timeline" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Graphical timeline">backlinks</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Graphical_timeline&action=edit">edit</a>)</span></span>, working with the new preprocessor. It uses nested templates, which I guess might be causing the problem; however, I can't find the page that detailed the changes and am struggling to get it working. If you could give me any tips as to how to get it fixed, that would be amazing. </p><p>Thanks, <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Verisimilus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Verisimilus (page does not exist)">Verisimilus</a></i> <b><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verisimilus" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Verisimilus">T</a></small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z-Preprocessor_problems" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z-Preprocessor_problems"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z-Preprocessor_problems"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-29T01:59:00.000Z-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Template:For_loop/doc#Usage" title="Template:For loop/doc">Template:For_loop/doc#Usage</a>, in the calls in <span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Template:Graphical_timeline" title="Template:Graphical timeline">Template:Graphical timeline</a> <span style="font-size:85%;">(<a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Graphical_timeline" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Graphical timeline">backlinks</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Graphical_timeline&action=edit">edit</a>)</span></span> a change is needed for the constant values. Also, currently for up to 4 parameters a fixed value can be specified, and 5 are used.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-29T01:59:00.000Z-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-29T01:59:00.000Z-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-29T01:59:00.000Z-Verisimilus-2008-01-28T19:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="discrete" data-mw-thread-id="h-discrete-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-discrete-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Discrete" class="mw-disambig" title="Discrete">discrete</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-discrete-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: discrete"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discrete&diff=25049526"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Msh210-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z-discrete"></span>You added</a> to the article <a href="/wiki/Discrete" class="mw-disambig" title="Discrete">Discrete</a> the definition "In <a href="/wiki/Discrete_mathematics" title="Discrete mathematics">discrete mathematics</a>,... a discrete is a <a href="/wiki/Countable" class="mw-redirect" title="Countable">countable</a> set". Where did you get this from? Are you certain? (This definition was later copied to <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discrete" class="extiw" title="wikt:discrete">Wiktionary</a>, where it's now the subject of a <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/WT:RFV#discrete" class="extiw" title="wikt:WT:RFV">request for verification</a>.)—<a href="/wiki/User:Msh210" title="User:Msh210">msh210</a><span class="Unicode">℠</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Msh210-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z-discrete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Msh210-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z-discrete"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Msh210-2008-01-28T20:28:00.000Z-discrete"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z"></span>AfD nomination of Resistance is futile<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of Resistance is futile"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BJBot-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/48px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/72px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/96px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>An editor has nominated <a href="/wiki/Resistance_is_futile" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Resistance is futile">Resistance is futile</a>, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion</a>. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">What Wikipedia is not</a>"). </p><p>Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Resistance_is_futile" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Resistance is futile">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Resistance is futile</a> and please be sure to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIG">sign your comments</a> with four tildes (~~~~). </p><p>You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfD">articles for deletion</a> template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:BJBot" title="User:BJBot">BJBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BJBot" title="User talk:BJBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-BJBot-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BJBot-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BJBot-2008-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Resistance_is_futile"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Extra_0_in_dates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extra_0_in_dates-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Extra_0_in_dates-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Extra 0 in dates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Extra_0_in_dates-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Extra 0 in dates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z-Extra_0_in_dates"></span>Hi, you fixed a while ago that an extra zero is removed from the birth/age templates. See <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ABirth_date&diff=181182554&oldid=159312423">[3]</a>. Could you do the same for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Death_date_and_age" title="Template:Death date and age">Death date and age</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? I probably could do it, but don't want to risk me making a mistake there. <a href="/wiki/User:Garion96" title="User:Garion96">Garion96</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Garion96" title="User talk:Garion96">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z-Extra_0_in_dates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z-Extra_0_in_dates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z-Extra_0_in_dates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Done.--<a href="/wiki/User:Patrick" title="User:Patrick">Patrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrick" title="User talk:Patrick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z-Garion96-2008-01-30T22:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Garion96-2008-01-31T10:52:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Garion96" title="User:Garion96">Garion96</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Garion96" title="User talk:Garion96">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Garion96-2008-01-31T10:52:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Garion96-2008-01-31T10:52:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Garion96-2008-01-31T10:52:00.000Z-Patrick-2008-01-30T23:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z"><span id="Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists.2Fdemo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Speedy deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Exists/demo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Exists/demo (page does not exist)">Template:Exists/demo</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion of Template:Exists/demo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MZMcBride-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo"></span>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Exists/demo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Exists/demo (page does not exist)">Template:Exists/demo</a> requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#T3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted. </p><p>If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes. </p><p>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:MZMcBride" title="User:MZMcBride">MZMcBride</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MZMcBride" title="User talk:MZMcBride">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-MZMcBride-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MZMcBride-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MZMcBride-2008-02-04T21:10:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Template:Exists/demo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Navimg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Navimg-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Navimg-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Template:Navimg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Navimg-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: Template:Navimg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z-Template:Navimg"></span>Hi Patrick, sorry for my bad english. For about 3 years was possible put inside images a redirect to a specific page. Recently redirects like this do not work, I dont know why. I found your template on Meta. I would like use in substitution of <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Segui_progetto_comuni.png" class="extiw" title="it:Immagine:Segui progetto comuni.png">it:Immagine:Segui progetto comuni.png</a> that you can see at the right of Milano <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milano" class="extiw" title="it:Milano">here</a>. I tried in a <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Archenzo/sandbox3" class="extiw" title="it:Utente:Archenzo/sandbox3">sandbox</a>, the icon now works but it stay under {{{nomeComune}}} , not on the same line to the right (with IE explorer, and FireFox). Instead, my friend <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Gac" class="extiw" title="it:Utente:Gac">Gac</a> with Safari see it on the right (like in <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milano" class="extiw" title="it:Milano">Milano</a>). Could you help me? Thanks. Please answer me on my <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Archenzo" class="extiw" title="it:Discussioni utente:Archenzo">It-talk</a>.--<small><a href="/wiki/User:Archenzo" title="User:Archenzo">Arch</a></small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Archenzo" title="User talk:Archenzo">Enzo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z-Template:Navimg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z-Template:Navimg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z-Template:Navimg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Archenzo-2008-02-07T08:56:00.000Z-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks! I notice that <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Patrick" class="extiw" title="it:Discussioni utente:Patrick">there are meets</a> 4 years ago. I was a newcomer. :-). Do you know why the images with redirect doesn’t work any more? --<small><a href="/wiki/User:Archenzo" title="User:Archenzo">Arch</a></small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Archenzo" title="User talk:Archenzo">Enzo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Patrick/June_2007_-_Feb_2008#c-Archenzo-2008-02-07T08:56:00.000Z-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Archenzo-2008-02-07T08:56:00.000Z-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Archenzo-2008-02-07T08:56:00.000Z-Archenzo-2008-02-06T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrick-2008-02-07T09:08:00.000Z-Archenzo-2008-02-07T08:56:00.000Z"></span>Nice! 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