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We are students at Colgate University in a class entitled Women and Religious Traditions:Islam. We are working on a project to edit the female education section of this page. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Dcunningham14" title="User:Dcunningham14">Dcunningham14</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dcunningham14" title="User talk:Dcunningham14">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dcunningham14" title="Special:Contributions/Dcunningham14">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Dcunningham14-2014-04-14T16:09:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 14 April 2014 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dcunningham14-2014-04-14T16:09:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dcunningham14-2014-04-14T16:09:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:08:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project"></span>Hello, that sounds great. Please tell your professor that medrasa means school in the Arabic language and also applies and is used by Christian Arab women, secular Arab women, atheist Arab women, agnostic Arab women, Shia Arab women, Sunni Arab women, and so on. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:08:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:08:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:08:00.000Z-Colgate_University_Editing_Project"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id='"Misuse_of_the_word"' data-mw-thread-id='h-"Misuse_of_the_word"-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z'><span id=".22Misuse_of_the_word.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='h-"Misuse_of_the_word"-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z'></span>"Misuse of the word"<span data-mw-comment-end='h-"Misuse_of_the_word"-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z'></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madrasa&action=edit&section=3" title='Edit section: "Misuse of the word"' class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-27' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wikileb123-2018-10-07T21:50:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Lou_Sander-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"'></span>This section seems to be denying the very strong religious flavor of madrasah teaching. That flavor is presented in detail in the rest of the article. Certainly it can be said that the word just means "school." Certainly not all madrasahs teach radical Islam. But even more certainly, there is a very heavy connotation of religious education in the word, and most madrasahs have Islamic teaching as the foundation of their curriculum. This section, for some reason, seems to paper that over. <a href="/wiki/User:Lou_Sander" title="User:Lou Sander">Lou Sander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lou_Sander" title="User talk:Lou Sander">talk</a>) 15:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC) Incorrect. Madrassa is the term for school. ALL schools, religious (a minority) or not (the vast majority), in many countries.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ff11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ff11 (page does not exist)">Ff11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ff11" title="User talk:Ff11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Lou_Sander-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z-%22Misuse_of_the_word%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Lou_Sander-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"'><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Lou_Sander-2008-10-15T15:13:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"'></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Wikileb123-2018-10-07T21:50:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"'></span>Millions of Arab Christians use this same word for school. It simply means school. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikileb123&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikileb123 (page does not exist)">Wikileb123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikileb123" title="User talk:Wikileb123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Wikileb123-2018-10-07T21:50:00.000Z-%22Misuse_of_the_word%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Wikileb123-2018-10-07T21:50:00.000Z-"Misuse_of_the_word"'><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a 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class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"><span id="Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"></span>Why are we using the word Medrasa?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madrasa&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Why are we using the word Medrasa?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Largoplazo-2018-03-26T20:06:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>10 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span>Medrasa, etc simply means school. Madaris means schools. Why are we referring to them in Arabic while discussing the various schools that exist? Is this not a promotion of the misuse of a foreign language word? School in English = school. Madrasah in Arabic equals Madrasah. Madrasah= school. School =madrasah. </p><p>Why not just start substituting a lot of English words with Arabic equivalents? The entire article is a bit discriminatory. Religious schools are translated into religious schools in Arabic. And school is translated into equivalent “school”. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T11:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a>:</span> This article isn't about what the word "madrasa" means in Arabic, it's about what the word refers to when used in English, where it almost always refers to Islamic religious schools (while all other schools, including schools in Arabic-speaking countries, are called "schools"...). And having a different meaning in English than in the original language isn't unique, but a fate "madrasa" shares with many other loan words, from a number of different languages. - <b>Tom</b> | <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas.W" title="User talk:Thomas.W"><i><b><sup><small> talk</small></sup></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T11:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T11:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T11:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T10:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span>Let’s be clear, loanwords are often reflective of the true meaning of the word. They are not usually appropriated in order to promote discrimination and bigotry.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Secondly,<a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a>, what you stated about schools in Arabic speaking countries simply isn’t true. Most schools in the Arabic speaking world are titled as “madrasa” and that includes catholic schools in Lebanon, in their Arabic titles, so don’t make ridiculous statement like that, it’s not objective and it’s silly. Furthermore, most Arabic speakers refer to school as “madraseh”, so please don’t try to argue against this fact. Whether you like it or not the word means school in Arabic, simply school. And if this is an English language article on what the word means to English language speakers, I can say this, that Arabic to English dictionaries define it correctly as simply “school”, while a number of bigoted and misinformed people define the Arabic word for school as Islamist or Islamic school. </p><p>Additionally, just because you’re mistranslations a word, doesn’t make it right. There are dictionaries that don’t agree with you. And you’re just blatantly promoting racism and discrimination. But look, I don’t go around wiki editing Spanish words, or Italian words, etc. I don’t go around wiki telling other people what the words in their languages mean, and use their words against them to denote something discriminatory and negative. </p><p>And you can stop deleting sourced information because you would like to promote your bigotry. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:15:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a>:</span> This is the <b>English language</b> Wikipedia, and we don't care what the word "madrasa" means in Arabic, only what it means in English. And the meaning of "madrasa" <b>in English</b> is crystal clear, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/madrasa">Cambridge Dictionary</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/madrasa">Oxford Dictionary</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/madrasah">Collins Dictionary</a>, they all say that <b>in the English language</b> the word "madrasa" refers to an <i>"Islamic religious school"</i>. And that's what we go by, since this, after all, is the <b>English language Wikipedia</b>. - <b>Tom</b> | <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas.W" title="User talk:Thomas.W"><i><b><sup><small> talk</small></sup></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:15:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:15:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:15:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T12:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span>Thomas.W</a> Listen you harasssatoru bigot, English is my first language so you can get off of your white English language pride ha. 2. You’re still mistranslating a foreign word. 3. Do not address anymore or I will be forced to report your bigotry and behavior. I don’t care what you think the word means, that is not what it means, and you are promoting racism and discrimination. Do not contact me anymore, you’re a creep. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T17:22:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a>:</span> "White English pride", sheeesh. Well, you're free to think I'm a bigot, and I'm equally free to feel that you're ignorant (anyone who knows anything about European languages would know that there's been a lot of borrowing of words back and forth, very often with a changed, or narrowed down, meaning, and that you cannot automatically assume that a borrowed word has the same meaning as in the original language). The more narrow meaning of the word "madrasa" when used in English, compared to in Arabic, is not in any way bigotted or derogatory, it's just a word to describe a specific type of school, as opposed to schools in general, for which the English word "school" has existed for a <b>very</b> long time, and no borrowing was needed. I very strongly suggest you pipe down a bit, BTW, because if you continue to call other editors "harassatory bigots" and "creeps" you will, with all probability, lose your editing privileges here pretty soon... - <b>Tom</b> | <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas.W" title="User talk:Thomas.W"><i><b><sup><small> talk</small></sup></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T17:22:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T17:22:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T17:22:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T16:54:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span>Thomas.W</a>: Give me an example of a foreign language word (from a non Romance language) that has been borrowed and completely changed in the English language due to political reasons, and bigotry. </p><p>Also, <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> because I can prove that older English language dictionaries defined the word madrasa into English as school. We can show the changing of the word meaning within the last decade by different editions so what we are talking about is a definition of a word that is not static, and I cited evidence being currently changed from its actual meaning and obscuring its actual meaning. And that is important that people understand that a word meaning flux, politicized and turned into a degragotory and hate word (which is used to promote stereotyping and disinformation), is evolving. And your denial of this obvious and well documented process is the reason why I used the words harrassatory bigot. That’s just an explanation. Perhaps you’re not used to an American-Arab female standing up for herself. I don’t know. </p><p>And FYI your reference to a person as a “psychotic Moroccan” is very telling. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z-Why_are_we_using_the_word_Medrasa?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a>:</span> And that last comment of yours was, as can apparently be expected from you, not only taken out of context (a long-term abuse case where a person geolocating to Morocco, as can be seen from the IPs they use, for several years now has regularly posted huge incoherent rants against named psychiatric hospitals in Morocco, and doctors there, sometimes in French and sometimes with the French text machine translated into English, on random articles here...) but also rephrased, and <b>not</b> what I wrote... - <b>Tom</b> | <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas.W" title="User talk:Thomas.W"><i><b><sup><small> talk</small></sup></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Weller-2018-03-26T12:10:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a>:</span> she's blocked, won't be unblocked for about 2 days 13 hours from the time of this post. <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Weller" title="User:Doug Weller"><span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller" title="User talk:Doug Weller">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Doug_Weller-2018-03-26T12:10:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Weller-2018-03-26T12:10:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Weller-2018-03-26T12:10:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-26T11:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Largoplazo-2018-03-26T20:06:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a>:</span> Somehow we manage to use "gelato" in English to refer specifically to an Italian style of ice cream, even though in Italian the word simply means "ice cream", without Italians getting hysterical and insisting that a deep hatred for Italians is involved and imagining that this amounts to English speakers telling Italians what the word should mean in Italian. And people from English-speaking countries don't bat an eye over the sort of adaptations Japanese speakers have made of English words. <a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Largoplazo" title="User talk:Largoplazo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Largoplazo-2018-03-26T20:06:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Largoplazo-2018-03-26T20:06:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Largoplazo-2018-03-26T20:06:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Madrasa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Madrasa-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Madrasa-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Madrasa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Madrasa-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madrasa&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Madrasa" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-30' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z-Madrasa"></span>That simply not true. Arab schools in Arabic speaking countries have the word “madrassa” in their Arabic titles. If you’re going to make this an article about the appropriation of an Arabic word that is used to discriminate Arabs and Muslims please be more clear. I don’t go around creating Spanish words and their meanings on articles, and I hope you don’t either. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z-Madrasa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z-Madrasa"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z-Madrasa"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"></span>See section above... - <b>Tom</b> | <a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W">Thomas.W</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas.W" title="User talk:Thomas.W"><i><b><sup><small> talk</small></sup></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T11:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Thomas.W" title="User:Thomas.W"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z"></span>Thomas.W</a>: You do realize orienatialism is an in-depth topic regarding stereotyping, and that the term “oriental” is considered a derogatory term. This is 2018, Ali Baba isn’t going to rob your caravan. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-Thomas.W-2018-03-25T12:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a 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that by claiming the only valid meaning is cherry picked dictionary meanings is contrary to encyclopedic approach. <a href="/wiki/User:LebaneseBebe" title="User:LebaneseBebe">LebaneseBebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LebaneseBebe" title="User talk:LebaneseBebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z-LebaneseBebe-2018-03-25T21:51:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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data-mw-thread-id='h-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z'><span id="Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_.28.22madrasas.22.29_in_general_usage_here"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='h-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z'></span>Recommendation to use English plural ("madrasas") in general usage here<span data-mw-comment-end='h-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z'></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madrasa&action=edit&section=8" title='Edit section: Recommendation to use English plural ("madrasas") in general usage here' class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-32' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vice_regent-2020-08-13T15:37:00.000Z-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here'></span>I noticed that we use "madaris", the Arabic plural, in many places here where it's not needed. Since this is an English article, and madrasa is used as a loanword in this context, I would strongly recommend that at least in section titles, and preferably also in general usage throughout the article, we use the English plural "madrasas" (which is pretty common in English-language literature where this topic comes up). If the Arabic <i>madaris</i> is used anywhere, it should be in italics in order to make it clearer that it is not an English word (see <a href="/wiki/MOS:FOREIGNITALIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FOREIGNITALIC">MOS:FOREIGNITALIC</a>). Otherwise, general readers will be confused and think there is both a word "madrasa" and a word "madaris" (or they might even think the word is "madari" and it's being pluralized to "madaris"). Keep in mind that many readers also come to just skim an article and will look through the section titles for what they're interested in, so having "madaris" in those is especially confusing at first sight.<br> I'd like to check that other editors would agree? Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_Prazeres" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Robert Prazeres">Robert Prazeres</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_Prazeres" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Robert Prazeres">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_(%22madrasas%22)_in_general_usage_here" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here'><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z-Recommendation_to_use_English_plural_("madrasas")_in_general_usage_here'></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vice_regent-2020-08-13T15:37:00.000Z-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Agreed.<b><a href="/wiki/User:Vice_regent" title="User:Vice regent">VR</a></b> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vice_regent" title="User talk:Vice regent"><b style="color:Black">talk</b></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Madrasa#c-Vice_regent-2020-08-13T15:37:00.000Z-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vice_regent-2020-08-13T15:37:00.000Z-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vice_regent-2020-08-13T15:37:00.000Z-Robert_Prazeres-2020-08-13T15:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Needs_a_table_of_contents_at_or_near_the_top_of_the_article._(As_is_customary_with_very_long_Wikipedia_articles_like_this_one.)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Needs_a_table_of_contents_at_or_near_the_top_of_the_article._(As_is_customary_wi-20230216151800"><span id="Needs_a_table_of_contents_at_or_near_the_top_of_the_article._.28As_is_customary_with_very_long_Wikipedia_articles_like_this_one..29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Needs_a_table_of_contents_at_or_near_the_top_of_the_article._(As_is_customary_wi-20230216151800"></span>Needs a table of contents at or near the top of the article. 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