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Please check your email; you've got mail! <br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit {{{1}}}"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&action=edit">remove this notice</a></span> at any time by removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:You%27ve_got_mail" title="Template:You've got mail">You've got mail</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ygm" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ygm">ygm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.</span></div> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_enlighten_me" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_enlighten_me-20241106202500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_enlighten_me-20241106202500"></span>Can you enlighten me<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_enlighten_me-20241106202500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500-Can_you_enlighten_me"></span>as to why I might have been pinged in such illustrious company to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads</a>? I know my memory is not what it used to be, but I don't recall ever showing any interest in roads, let alone ones in the US. Of course I will understand if you are as stumped as I am. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500-Can_you_enlighten_me" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500-Can_you_enlighten_me"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500-Can_you_enlighten_me"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241106205700-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"></span>Phil Bridger</a>, it's some dumb troll who has been pestering Imzadi1979. Let's see if I remember--they were in a conflict over some road, and the troll demands an apology for something while also acknowledging that they were a douchebag. Something like that. I can't remember if there was an SPI or not. But hey, welcome to our little group. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241106205700-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241106205700-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241106205700-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241106210000-Drmies-20241106205700"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">But hey, welcome to our little group.</q> Heck, welcome to the internet! <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241106210000-Drmies-20241106205700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241106210000-Drmies-20241106205700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241106210000-Drmies-20241106205700"></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bluebird207" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bluebird207"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fredddie-20241106212200-Drmies-20241106205700"></span>Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bluebird207</a> I've been updating it today on Imzadi's behalf. He's gone through enough with this guy. –<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Fredddie-20241106212200-Drmies-20241106205700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fredddie-20241106212200-Drmies-20241106205700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fredddie-20241106212200-Drmies-20241106205700"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241106212800-Fredddie-20241106212200"></span>Thank you, yes. I've done a few things, but they are minor things. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> you see this? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241106212800-Fredddie-20241106212200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241106212800-Fredddie-20241106212200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241106212800-Fredddie-20241106212200"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400-Drmies-20241106212800"></span>Yes, I see it. Thanks for your help, everyone who helped. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400-Drmies-20241106212800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400-Drmies-20241106212800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400-Drmies-20241106212800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fredddie-20241107233100-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400"></span>There was another account that popped up today <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Roger_VIII_Roger">Roger VIII Roger</a></span> who basically claimed to be sockmaster of the Roger x Roger accounts. Those accounts were blocked as socks of BSanders46. I wonder if we could merge Bluebird and BSanders46. –<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Fredddie-20241107233100-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fredddie-20241107233100-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fredddie-20241107233100-Phil_Bridger-20241107135400"></span> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241108012000-Fredddie-20241107233100"></span>Fredddie</a>, ping some of the admins/clerks that have been active on the SPIs--not from here, but in the SPIs. I think I left a note there but I don't know if anyone has looked at it. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241108012000-Fredddie-20241107233100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241108012000-Fredddie-20241107233100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241108012000-Fredddie-20241107233100"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"></span>I think I've finally got to the bottom of it. It seems that this sockpuppet keeps pinging me because of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1175320455">this edit</a></span>, which I thought was very innocuous. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900-Phil_Bridger-20241106202500"></span> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241122145000-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900"></span>Phil Bridger</a>, you got caught between two fools? I looked through all those edits and I forgot which side favored West and which side didn't, but I couldn't help but be reminded of User:MidAtlanticBaby, who got himself blocked (well, he was already a sock) over some silliness about how to define "Central Florida". Amazing! Anyway, thank you for sourcing that material: I appreciate it. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241122145000-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241122145000-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241122145000-Phil_Bridger-20241122142900"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IP_cat_pest" data-mw-thread-id="h-IP_cat_pest-20241107015000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IP_cat_pest-20241107015000"></span>IP cat pest<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IP_cat_pest-20241107015000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crowsus-20241107015000-IP_cat_pest"></span>Hi, IP user 86.40.54.89 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies/Archive_149#Possible_IP_evasion?" title="User talk:Drmies/Archive 149">User talk:Drmies/Archive 149#Possible IP evasion?</a>) is back and has resumed their prolific but substandard category editing. I reverted them for a few last week and they returned with improvements (though still not perfect) but this week it has gone back to stuff like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danelle_Tan&diff=prev&oldid=1255726641">this</a>, all minor but not correct, fiddly for others to fix, and something they have already been warned about already. Unfortunately I think when one IP is blocked they still continue to edit from another - 109.255.177.252 - so may do so again. <a href="/wiki/User:Crowsus" title="User:Crowsus">Crowsus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crowsus" title="User talk:Crowsus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crowsus-20241107015000-IP_cat_pest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crowsus-20241107015000-IP_cat_pest"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crowsus-20241107015000-IP_cat_pest"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241107023100-Crowsus-20241107015000"></span>Gotcha--thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241107023100-Crowsus-20241107015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241107023100-Crowsus-20241107015000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241107023100-Crowsus-20241107015000"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_repeated_addition_of_unsourced_content" data-mw-thread-id="h-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re-20241107210000"><span id="Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content.2C_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags.2C_repeated_addition_of_unsourced_content"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re-20241107210000"></span>Continuing to add unsourced content, unexplained removal of maintenance tags, repeated addition of unsourced content<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re-20241107210000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re"></span>Hi Drmies, Found that there were 2 IP address ranges <a href="/w/index.php?title=2001:1388:A44:0:0:0:0:0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2001:1388:A44:0:0:0:0:0 (page does not exist)">2001:1388:A44:0:0:0:0:0</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=2001:1388:A45:0:0:0:0:0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2001:1388:A45:0:0:0:0:0 (page does not exist)">2001:1388:A45:0:0:0:0:0</a> All edits from the IP address found to be the same person. Harassing and deleting content in other articles which had administrators warn and rollback more than 30 disruptive edits Found the latest edit, redo it. Repeatedly adding unsourced content and deleting maintenance tags by correcting them and not explained in the article <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> in terms of being a fan club Due to adding content to live broadcast activities to sell products Duplicate content is added which is not important. As with most of the content in this article concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using Wikipedia to promote their own interests at the expense of neutrality. </p><p>There is a sockpuppet account named <a href="/wiki/User:Rosalinares1" title="User:Rosalinares1">Rosalinares1</a> who evaded their block by creating a new IP and restoring the same old edits that they were blocked for at <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a>. </p><p>Please see <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a>: Revision history <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nine_(singer)&action=history">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nine_(singer)&action=history</a> </p><p>Please see this edits: <a href="/w/index.php?title=2001:1388:A44:5700:28FE:5648:2A79:8595&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2001:1388:A44:5700:28FE:5648:2A79:8595 (page does not exist)">2001:1388:A44:5700:28FE:5648:2A79:8595</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:5700:28FE:5648:2A79:8595">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:5700:28FE:5648:2A79:8595</a></q> <a href="/w/index.php?title=2001:1388:A44:EDDB:98F3:C8BE:82C6:175D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2001:1388:A44:EDDB:98F3:C8BE:82C6:175D (page does not exist)">2001:1388:A44:EDDB:98F3:C8BE:82C6:175D</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:EDDB:98F3:C8BE:82C6:175D">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:EDDB:98F3:C8BE:82C6:175D</a></q> <a href="/w/index.php?title=2001:1388:A44:23CC:DCF2:FD41:F2BA:FCE3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2001:1388:A44:23CC:DCF2:FD41:F2BA:FCE3 (page does not exist)">2001:1388:A44:23CC:DCF2:FD41:F2BA:FCE3</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:23CC:DCF2:FD41:F2BA:FCE3">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:23CC:DCF2:FD41:F2BA:FCE3</a></q> </p><p>Revision history <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> has only one person, IP addresses starting with 2001:1388:A45 and 2001:1388:A44 all are the same person The edits will be made in the same way, namely adding information to the article without the source in <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> and deleting and disturbing other articles. which always has admin rollback This person made repeated changes with new IP addresses like this. </p><p>The article <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> does not meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Much of the content in these sections seems to be little known events and awards. Likely of interest only to a small audience. </p><p>Much of it should be removed: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Filmography" title="Nine (singer)">Filmography</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Discography" title="Nine (singer)">Discography</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Endorsements" title="Nine (singer)">Endorsements</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Brand_activity" title="Nine (singer)">Brand activity</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Concert,_fanmeeting_and_other_activities" title="Nine (singer)">Concert, fanmeeting and other activities</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Magazine" title="Nine (singer)">Magazine</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)#Awards_and_nominations" title="Nine (singer)">Awards and nominations</a></li></ul> <p>The entire article was edited by the same person, unexplained removal of maintenance tags, and recently used a new IP address to add a lot of unsourced content. </p><p>repeated addition of unsourced content I think examining a person is difficult. This person from Lima, Peru uses a different IP address every time they resolve. Every time delete and add information to another article. will be reversed Then edit again with the new IP address. </p><p>This person created information in the <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> article and also caused mischief in other articles. Add information without references Administrators always roll back edits that this person deleted on other articles. Editing that disturbs another article and edited and added information only to the article <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> The person using all IP addresses in this <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> article is the same person who removed the maintenance tag without editing it. </p><p>The person using all the IP addresses I attached is the same person. I'm only giving examples because there are many. The entire article <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> has an IP address from the same person from Lima, Peru, but the IP address in the update is different every time the information is added. This person deleted the maintenance tag notice. Delete without correcting Most articles lack references. As I looked at the article's history, <a href="/wiki/Nine_(singer)" title="Nine (singer)">Nine (singer)</a> has been doing this for a long time, but no user has come to check on this person. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:F15F:C574:7A91:49D9:AAC9">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:F15F:C574:7A91:49D9:AAC9</a></q> </p><p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:7B00:F810:2A14:7BCB:F48B">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:7B00:F810:2A14:7BCB:F48B</a></q> </p><p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:7B00:358F:FBE6:A148:46A0">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:7B00:358F:FBE6:A148:46A0</a></q> </p><p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:40B6:504C:F2CB:D823:F9B">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:40B6:504C:F2CB:D823:F9B</a></q> </p><p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:AEDB:F872:834B:5232:4D3E">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A45:AEDB:F872:834B:5232:4D3E</a></q> </p><p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:EA0C:2594:EA67:F737:FD4B">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1388:A44:EA0C:2594:EA67:F737:FD4B</a></q> <a href="/wiki/User:MeetHoneyBee" title="User:MeetHoneyBee">MeetHoneyBee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MeetHoneyBee" title="User talk:MeetHoneyBee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000-Continuing_to_add_unsourced_content,_unexplained_removal_of_maintenance_tags,_re"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:MeetHoneyBee" title="User:MeetHoneyBee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241107221600-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000"></span>MeetHoneyBee</a> I see that you regularly post such massive reports on the pages of admins as well as non-admins. If there is vandalism, warn them and report them. If these are behavioral issues, report at ANI. If these are content issues, discuss on the article talk page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241107221600-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241107221600-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241107221600-MeetHoneyBee-20241107210000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241107235700-Drmies-20241107221600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MeetHoneyBee" title="User:MeetHoneyBee">MeetHoneyBee</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> Also, reports of sockpuppetry involving logged in editors (or a mixture of logged in and logged out editors) go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPI">sockpuppet investigations</a>, with a caveat that they will not publicly comment on IP addresses. If it's all IP editors being problematic, we just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">assume</a> there's some amount of lack of choice in the IP address changing, or that's legitimately different people, barring evidence to the contrary. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241107235700-Drmies-20241107221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241107235700-Drmies-20241107221600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241107235700-Drmies-20241107221600"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unban_request_at_AN" data-mw-thread-id="h-unban_request_at_AN-20241108214700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unban_request_at_AN-20241108214700"></span>unban request at AN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unban_request_at_AN-20241108214700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241108214700-unban_request_at_AN"></span>Hi Drmies, since this is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3X" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3X">WP:3X</a> ban I don't know if I'm expected to notify you personally, but just in case, since you're the original block admin, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#84Swagahh_unban_request" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN#84Swagahh unban request</a>. Cheers. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Asilvering-20241108214700-unban_request_at_AN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241108214700-unban_request_at_AN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241108214700-unban_request_at_AN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="VMLY&R_(Companies)" data-mw-thread-id="h-VMLY&R_(Companies)-20241108214900"><span id="VMLY.26R_.28Companies.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-VMLY&R_(Companies)-20241108214900"></span><a href="/wiki/VMLY%26R_(Companies)" class="mw-redirect" title="VMLY&R (Companies)">VMLY&R (Companies)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-VMLY&R_(Companies)-20241108214900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241108214900-VMLY&R_(Companies)"></span>Hi Drmies, could you take a look at what's going on here? <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaylorLvx">TaylorLvx</a></span> has clearly gamed to autoconfirmed so I thought at first it was an obvious sock of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TruthEditor3">TruthEditor3</a></span>, but on second thought they seem to be editing against each other. Strange. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-CFA-20241108214900-VMLY&R_(Companies)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241108214900-VMLY&R_(Companies)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241108214900-VMLY&R_(Companies)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241109004900-CFA-20241108214900"></span>I think maybe they ran out for some coffee and a burger, but I'm confident it's the same one. Thanks. (I'll let you figure out what to do with the page moves; they always make me dizzy. If you think any of em need protecting, we can do that.) <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241109004900-CFA-20241108214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241109004900-CFA-20241108214900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241109004900-CFA-20241108214900"></span> <ul><li><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241109010300-Drmies-20241109004900"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> - I moved it back to the stable title and changed the protection level. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241109010300-Drmies-20241109004900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241109010300-Drmies-20241109004900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241109010300-Drmies-20241109004900"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241109010600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"></span>Thanks Crisco, on a Friday night. Hope you have a good weekend. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241109010600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241109010600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241109010600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241109011900-Drmies-20241109010600"></span>Friday means very little to me, unfortunately, though tomorrow I have <a href="/wiki/Chicago_(band)" title="Chicago (band)">Chicago</a> keeping me busy. (Also, wow they have barely anything illustrating their article since the 70s) — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241109011900-Drmies-20241109010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241109011900-Drmies-20241109010600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241109011900-Drmies-20241109010600"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241109020600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"></span>Thanks both. Still not sure what's going on with that page. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-CFA-20241109020600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241109020600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241109020600-Crisco_1492-20241109010300"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You've_got_mail!" data-mw-thread-id="h-You've_got_mail!-20241109192000"><span id="You.27ve_got_mail.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You've_got_mail!-20241109192000"></span>You've got mail!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You've_got_mail!-20241109192000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241109192000-You've_got_mail!"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256396942"> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/40px-Mail-message-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/60px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/80px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Drmies. Please check your email; you've got mail! <br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">Message added 19:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit {{{1}}}"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&action=edit">remove this notice</a></span> at any time by removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:You%27ve_got_mail" title="Template:You've got mail">You've got mail</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ygm" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ygm">ygm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.</span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#7a0427;">SerialNumber</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#17662c;">54129</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Serial_Number_54129-20241109192000-You've_got_mail!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241109192000-You've_got_mail!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241109192000-You've_got_mail!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You're_next!" data-mw-thread-id="h-You're_next!-20241109221200"><span id="You.27re_next.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You're_next!-20241109221200"></span>You're next!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You're_next!-20241109221200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Euryalus-20241109221200-You're_next!"></span>I recall reading that Danton shouted this at Robespierre as he was trundled off to the guillotine. Can't recall the source. Can you? </p><p>These things didn't happen back in Nisus' day, but only "old timers" like us recall those times. :) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus" title="User talk:Euryalus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Euryalus-20241109221200-You're_next!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Euryalus-20241109221200-You're_next!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Euryalus-20241109221200-You're_next!"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241110010100-Euryalus-20241109221200"></span>Haha, I quit teaching that: there's no point anymore in assignment texts that are more complicated than an Instagram poem. Shame--no more Virgil, Homer, Dante, Chaucer, Shakespeare. Then again, that nursing students have to take humanities classes provides our bread and butter, but the use for them is pretty limited of course. It gets worse if you ask a class full of lit crit seniors what their favorite books and authors are, and none of them get any farther than some YA books. <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a>, I always thought you had one of the best names of any admin, and I'm so glad you're still around. Plus your name has an article, which is cool. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241110010100-Euryalus-20241109221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241110010100-Euryalus-20241109221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241110010100-Euryalus-20241109221200"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Euryalus-20241110034900-Drmies-20241110010100"></span>True. Luckily I am yet to be dragged to admin recall for my flagrant disregard of WP:IMPERSONATE. As Robespierre verifiably said, "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty." Our turns will come.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>And re assignments, isn't that what AI is for? Apparently allowed in University essays these days, provided there's some tiny fleck of individuality, or idiosyncratic use of commas, or some other trivial variation. Bah humbug, as someone once said. Anyway: hope you and yours are well. I have a reference book of eighteenth century Dutch warships somewhere, will write an article on one of them for you provided you can explain why the Dutch have such a confusing system of weights and measures. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus" title="User talk:Euryalus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Euryalus-20241110034900-Drmies-20241110010100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Euryalus-20241110034900-Drmies-20241110010100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Euryalus-20241110034900-Drmies-20241110010100"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110042200-Euryalus-20241110034900"></span>It frightens me to think that lit majors would rely on AI. I write because I like to write, not because I'm made to. I can understand people focusing on YA, because it's what they're used to (and it's still better than TikTok or YouTube shorts), but going into literature while feeling like writing is a chore... As for the Dutch units of measure, it all boils down to two arnhemse meisjes to each speculaas, and two speculaas to each stroopwafel. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241110042200-Euryalus-20241110034900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110042200-Euryalus-20241110034900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241110042200-Euryalus-20241110034900"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Euryalus-20241110075300-Crisco_1492-20241110042200"></span>Is a Dutch "last" a unit of volume? Is suspect it is, similar to the <a href="/wiki/Builder%27s_Old_Measurement" title="Builder's Old Measurement">Builder's Old Measurement</a> used in English vessels. But our article on <a href="/wiki/Dutch_units_of_measurement" title="Dutch units of measurement">Dutch_units_of_measurement</a> also lists it under "weight" and assigns a value in kilograms. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus" title="User talk:Euryalus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Euryalus-20241110075300-Crisco_1492-20241110042200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Euryalus-20241110075300-Crisco_1492-20241110042200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Euryalus-20241110075300-Crisco_1492-20241110042200"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110121000-Euryalus-20241110075300"></span>In all seriousness, based on our article I suspect it could be used as much. If is "the weight equivalent of 120 cubic feet (3.398 m3) of shipping space", by extension one could use it to measure capacity or displacement. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241110121000-Euryalus-20241110075300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110121000-Euryalus-20241110075300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241110121000-Euryalus-20241110075300"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Euryalus-20241110122500-Crisco_1492-20241110121000"></span>Yeah might do that. I've also worked out how to change Amsterdam feet into English feet (because I dont think we have an Amsterdam feet template). But apparently the Admiralty of Rotterdam (and not the others) used Maas feet for ship dimensions. Wtf is a Maas foot? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus" title="User talk:Euryalus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Euryalus-20241110122500-Crisco_1492-20241110121000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Euryalus-20241110122500-Crisco_1492-20241110121000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Euryalus-20241110122500-Crisco_1492-20241110121000"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125700-Euryalus-20241110122500"></span>If the Maas is the Meuse, then I'd expect that the Maas foot would be the Rotterdam foot (that city being on the Meuse). Our article gives that as equivalent to 312.43 millimetres (1.0250 ft), citing a 19th-century French textbook. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241110125700-Euryalus-20241110122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125700-Euryalus-20241110122500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125700-Euryalus-20241110122500"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Euryalus-20241110134900-Crisco_1492-20241110125700"></span>Thanks, that's very helpful. I have a few reference sources on Dutch warships of (mostly) seventeenth century, and might try a summer task of filling in some of our blanks in their coverage. Labour of love really - these kind of articles get a handful of views a day and most of those are bots. But whatever. Starting point is being able to translate the basic numbers of ship anatomy before going on to the easy part of their actual history. Hence questions like these. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Euryalus" title="User:Euryalus">Euryalus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Euryalus" title="User talk:Euryalus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Euryalus-20241110134900-Crisco_1492-20241110125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Euryalus-20241110134900-Crisco_1492-20241110125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Euryalus-20241110134900-Crisco_1492-20241110125700"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241111133100-Euryalus-20241110134900"></span>Oh, I get that. Very few of the articles I write get more than ten views a day. It's more a matter of professional pride and making sure things are well put together. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241111133100-Euryalus-20241110134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241111133100-Euryalus-20241110134900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241111133100-Euryalus-20241110134900"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/dictionnaireuni00dourgoog/page/414/mode/2up?q=voet"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125900-Euryalus-20241110122500"></span>Page 415</a>, near the bottom. Notates it as an "ancient" unit of measure. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241110125900-Euryalus-20241110122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125900-Euryalus-20241110122500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241110125900-Euryalus-20241110122500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Serious,_serious" data-mw-thread-id="h-Serious,_serious-20241110005300"><span id="Serious.2C_serious"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Serious,_serious-20241110005300"></span>Serious, serious<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Serious,_serious-20241110005300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110005300-Serious,_serious"></span>Once there was <a href="/wiki/User:Pinzunski" title="User:Pinzunski">User:Pinzunski</a>, whom i was sure was a sockpuppet of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Martimc123&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Martimc123 (page does not exist)">Martimc123</a>, but the investigation yielded nothing. Now, we have <a href="/wiki/User:SukunaZenin" title="User:SukunaZenin">User:SukunaZenin</a>, and i am SURE they are a sock of the first account mentioned. They continue to add stuff like transfer speculation to <a href="/wiki/Francisco_Trinc%C3%A3o" title="Francisco Trincão">Francisco Trincão</a> or <a href="/wiki/Ricardo_Velho" title="Ricardo Velho">Ricardo Velho</a> (i let it "slide" in the latter, only composed the wording, but reverted the former altogether); now, through an IP (this one <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:6832:2C00:E10F:9A77:CE09:D3D7">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:6832:2C00:E10F:9A77:CE09:D3D7</a>, i also use them, no problem there from where i stand), they resorted to serious insults ("fucking keyboard warrior", "biggot" (sic)) and, as Pinzunski before, warned me that there would be serious consequences if i continue what i'm doing: what am i doing? Trying to make articles readable, without tons of unencyclopedical material (some of their additions are good, i do admit it; the first time around, the legal threats were so "substantiated" that, following two or three days of them, we never heard anything more in that regard). </p><p>Attentively (oh, this just in, i'm leaving because: 1 - my summaries will never improve and i realise that may be unfair sometimes; 2 - can't take more of this abuse. Whatever any further investigations may produce it's neither here or there for me, cheers), continue the great work <a href="/wiki/User:RevampedEditor" title="User:RevampedEditor">RevampedEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevampedEditor" title="User talk:RevampedEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-RevampedEditor-20241110005300-Serious,_serious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110005300-Serious,_serious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevampedEditor-20241110005300-Serious,_serious"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241110010400-RevampedEditor-20241110005300"></span>You know Alabama is playing LSU right now, right? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241110010400-RevampedEditor-20241110005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241110010400-RevampedEditor-20241110005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241110010400-RevampedEditor-20241110005300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110010700-Drmies-20241110010400"></span>No problems mate, you go at it and enjoy! Like i said, no additional wiki-stress from now on. I'm 52, this other guy is probably in his 20s or so, why am i wearing myself down to oblivion like this? --<a href="/wiki/User:RevampedEditor" title="User:RevampedEditor">RevampedEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevampedEditor" title="User talk:RevampedEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-RevampedEditor-20241110010700-Drmies-20241110010400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110010700-Drmies-20241110010400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevampedEditor-20241110010700-Drmies-20241110010400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241110011400-RevampedEditor-20241110010700"></span>Well, it's Alabama football without Nick Saban, so it's always an extra level of stress. Haha 52--so young and full of life! <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241110011400-RevampedEditor-20241110010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241110011400-RevampedEditor-20241110010700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241110011400-RevampedEditor-20241110010700"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000-Drmies-20241110011400"></span>I ended up watching the whole Michigan-IU game. Holy shit, IU is so good. (also, my brother goes there; he's about to finish his master's). <a href="/wiki/User:NoobThreePointOh" title="User:NoobThreePointOh">NoobThreePointOh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoobThreePointOh" title="User talk:NoobThreePointOh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000-Drmies-20241110011400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000-Drmies-20241110011400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000-Drmies-20241110011400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241110143200-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000"></span>And Michigan is not--but this section is dedicated to the Tide, who played a great game against LSU. Don't make me ping <a href="/wiki/User:Tide_rolls" title="User:Tide rolls">User:Tide rolls</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241110143200-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241110143200-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241110143200-NoobThreePointOh-20241110023000"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110163400-Serious,_serious"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Kerem_Akt%C3%BCrko%C4%9Flu" title="Kerem Aktürkoğlu">Kerem Aktürkoğlu</a>, through a new IP, they reinstated EVERYTHING you have reverted (with an "interesting" edit summary to go along)! a promise to you: i won't leave of course, have done NOTHING contrary to WP guidelines (if you except the summaries of course), but i will only edit with my account from now on, no more laziness/not logging off. </p><p>Cheers --<a href="/wiki/User:RevampedEditor" title="User:RevampedEditor">RevampedEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevampedEditor" title="User talk:RevampedEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-RevampedEditor-20241110163400-Serious,_serious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevampedEditor-20241110163400-Serious,_serious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevampedEditor-20241110163400-Serious,_serious"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" data-mw-thread-id="h-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team-20241110034900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team-20241110034900"></span>2024 Alabama Crimson Tide football team<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team-20241110034900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team"></span>Can you help me? The game summary had a different looking format when I was adding and editing the content. Someone came in and changed it and I would like to have it reverted back to its original format <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rolltide_pisco&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rolltide pisco (page does not exist)">Rolltide pisco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rolltide_pisco" title="User talk:Rolltide pisco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900-2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241110143700-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900"></span>Are you talking about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team&diff=prev&oldid=1254437523">this edit</a>? I'm no better at restoring older versions than you, so have at it. I've already warned the editor, but that's also something you can do yourself. Good luck, <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241110143700-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241110143700-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241110143700-Rolltide_pisco-20241110034900"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Since_you_pinged_me" data-mw-thread-id="h-Since_you_pinged_me-20241111013200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Since_you_pinged_me-20241111013200"></span>Since you pinged me<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Since_you_pinged_me-20241111013200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200-Since_you_pinged_me"></span>Since you pinged me, but I think that conversation's going pretty far off topic, I guess I'll respond here. Also, pre-emptively, my apologies if your question was rhetorical. If that's the case, then I guess you can just remove this from your talk page. But I think you were genuinely curious, so here goes. I don't think any of the admins, in either the recall or the AN/I thread, were intentionally covering up for another admin's poor behaviour. If I did, I would have said. Yes, I do think some of them could and should be a lot firmer on other admins, but it's really freaking hard to tell somebody you know and have worked with for years that they're behaving inappropriately. I can't fault anybody for assuming good faith of their friends/acquaintances. Well, I mean I <em>could</em>, obviously, but it would feel petty and vindictive and I won't. </p><p>I get that people do it, though. The fact you can have a situation where Person A says something mean, Person B says Person A was wrong, and Person C thinks "Yes, I agree, but Person A is my friend and I don't like Person B enough to jeopardize that" isn't great, but it's really common. So common, in fact, that we've ended up with a situation that's even more worse- there's an unwritten social rule that in either scenario, should Person B say something against Person A, everybody etching will assume that they're now friends/allies with Person C and therefore agrees with everything else Person C does. Or, alternatively, we take it one step back and deliberately read bad faith into the situation by saying "Person B didn't tell their friend to stop- therefore they must stand by Person A's actions and we must punish them as well". Which is also not great! My saying this isn't particularly revolutionary, I know, but it's true and I think I've made peace with the fact that I can't change any of it. The only thing I can do, I think, is try and avoid copying this behaviour myself. </p><p>I guess all of this is to say that I think I can understand why you think I'd be acting differently, but you asked, you pinged me, and I figured you deserved/wanted an answer as to why I'm acting in the way I am. Does this explain where I'm coming from? Feel free to ask again, or feel free to tell me to sod off. Again, if it was a rhetorical question all along, apologies. (And I mean that quite genuinely). But also, while I'm here, could you explain the wounded deer comment? I've been trying to get what you meant by it. Could you clarify/expand? <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200-Since_you_pinged_me" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200-Since_you_pinged_me"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200-Since_you_pinged_me"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241111210600-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200"></span>I think there's some A/B/C confusion, and I don't think C said B was wrong because C and A are friends. You got a couple Cs here saying what A said wasn't wrong enough to fire them from their jobs, and that's what we're talking about, really. Never mind that A, B, and C are not coming into this the same way: B was actively looking to get A demoted, and if a couple of Cs don't agree, then B is looking for another forum in which to get A demoted--this procedure, which seems to be a relative easy way to demote someone. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>A wounded deer is a deer that's been shot or whatever and is now attracting attention from other hunters, and is a much easier prey. And anyone can shoot--one of the signers of the anti-Fastily petition has 300 mainspace edits and a very tenuous grasp of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, and has voted "you're fired" (basically "per nom") in both the recalls we've seen. I find this problematic, yes. The ArbCom procedure is much more difficult, and I think it should be much more difficult, since it's so easy for admins to make enemies. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241111210600-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241111210600-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241111210600-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241111013200"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200-Drmies-20241111210600"></span>On your first point- if I'm going to be Person B in this scenario, you might want to note B was a bystander in the original thread - there was no "trying one forum, failing, and looking for another". And do you find it relatively easy? I don't. The recall petition can't demote anybody by itself- the community would still need to decide next steps at an RfA. And I don't like the term "demoted", but I think it's interesting that you chose it. Being an admin isn't a reward, and being a regular editor isn't a punishment. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>And thank you for explaining the metaphor. I'm not particularly interested in discussing an identifiable no-name editor's behaviour in a public forum, but without notifying them (It's so middle school), so I think if you have issues with any individual editor, you should bring it up to them, not me. I do find your point about Arbcom interesting, however. I've had a lot of people tell me recently that they think in similar lines to you. I can't say I agree. Maybe it's just be being youthful and optimistic, maybe I'm just not that swayed by the long list of enemies in wait argument, but I think most currently admins would sail pretty easily through an re-RfA, especially if we're going by the 60% and up + trust the crats to discount spite/bad faith !votes. There's a couple admins I think who wouldn't pass, but most have already proven that they're not going to start out-of-process blocking everybody who questions their actions. And I do think it's interesting that you think Arbcom should be less strict. Desycops and admonishments <a href="/wiki/User:Maxim/ArbCom_and_desysops" title="User:Maxim/ArbCom and desysops">are pretty rare</a>, especially once you consider that most of the behaviours that get administrators desysopped or warned would earn a regular user a nice little enforced Wikibreak of varying lengths. That's probably enough of me being anti-establishment for one day, but I am curious as to what solution you would propose instead. How poorly would you have to view an administrator's conduct before you took action? And, seeing as you have the block button, how poorly would you have to view a non-admin's conduct before you took action? Under whatever new even more strict Arbcom you have in mind, how would those answers look? What avenues would you make availible to discuss administrator conduct? How severe would a potential infraction be before you even examined it? <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200-Drmies-20241111210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200-Drmies-20241111210600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200-Drmies-20241111210600"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241112131900-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200"></span>You misread. I don't think the ArbCom procedure should be more difficult than it is. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241112131900-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241112131900-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241112131900-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241112053200"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles-20241111160200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles-20241111160200"></span>Page Protection for multiple articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles-20241111160200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles"></span>Hey I know I don't usually ask adminstrators to do page protections but now it has gotten serious because the same editor <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2601:42:0:4000:F914:FA4B:3A66:3AD2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2601:42:0:4000:F914:FA4B:3A66:3AD2 (page does not exist)">2601:42:0:4000:f914:fa4b:3a66:3ad2</a> keeps adding the same edits at multiple articles that are not proven nor found in the cited source they cited. So if you can please do page protection on those articles. Thank You. <a href="/wiki/User:Cookiemonster1618" title="User:Cookiemonster1618">Cookiemonster1618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cookiemonster1618" title="User talk:Cookiemonster1618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200-Page_Protection_for_multiple_articles"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241111182600-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200"></span>Sure thing. It's a longterm problem, I know. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241111182600-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241111182600-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241111182600-Cookiemonster1618-20241111160200"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000-Drmies-20241111182600"></span>Hey can you also add a page protection for <a href="/wiki/Portuguese_language" title="Portuguese language">Portuguese language</a> as there is vandalism going on with one user changing the population numbers and dates and claiming they are found in the source when they aren't. <a href="/wiki/User:Cookiemonster1618" title="User:Cookiemonster1618">Cookiemonster1618</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cookiemonster1618" title="User talk:Cookiemonster1618">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000-Drmies-20241111182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000-Drmies-20241111182600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000-Drmies-20241111182600"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241118011300-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000"></span>No, <a href="/wiki/User:Cookiemonster1618" title="User:Cookiemonster1618">Cookiemonster1618</a>, I'm not going to do that. There's been two edits from that range, only two, and they explained what they were doing. You say they were wrong--OK, fine, but then explain it to them also, on their talk page (the most recent one) for instance, or leave a note on the article talk page and leave a message on their talk pages using the TB function. So, it's too early for protection, and I don't yet see evidence of vandalism. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241118011300-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241118011300-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241118011300-Cookiemonster1618-20241117203000"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abigail_Thomas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abigail_Thomas-20241112025800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abigail_Thomas-20241112025800"></span>Abigail Thomas<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abigail_Thomas-20241112025800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Acroterion-20241112025800-Abigail_Thomas"></span>For such a well-reviewed author who, after all, mainly writes about herself, there is precious little biographical information available. I've ordered her books as Christmas presents for my wife, and will read them myself once she's had a shot at them. <b><span style="font-family: Arial;"><a href="/wiki/User:Acroterion" title="User:Acroterion"><span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Acroterion" title="User talk:Acroterion"><span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span></a></small></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Acroterion-20241112025800-Abigail_Thomas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Acroterion-20241112025800-Abigail_Thomas"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Acroterion-20241112025800-Abigail_Thomas"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241112030300-Acroterion-20241112025800"></span>Can I have em after? I'll trade you for my almost-complete collection of North Korean novels in English translation--all three of em. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241112030300-Acroterion-20241112025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241112030300-Acroterion-20241112025800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241112030300-Acroterion-20241112025800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Acroterion-20241112032300-Drmies-20241112030300"></span>Sure, though I’m not convinced that “The Patriotic Adherence to Juche Workers Brigade of Vinylon Factory 12” will live up to its promise. <b><span style="font-family: Arial;"><a href="/wiki/User:Acroterion" title="User:Acroterion"><span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Acroterion" title="User talk:Acroterion"><span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span></a></small></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Acroterion-20241112032300-Drmies-20241112030300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Acroterion-20241112032300-Drmies-20241112030300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Acroterion-20241112032300-Drmies-20241112030300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241112032800-Acroterion-20241112032300"></span>You made that up, but it's actually a thrilling narrative, I'm sure. I just finished <a href="/wiki/Friend_(Paek_novel)" title="Friend (Paek novel)"><i>Friend</i></a>--an interesting read. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241112032800-Acroterion-20241112032300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241112032800-Acroterion-20241112032300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241112032800-Acroterion-20241112032300"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241112035900-Acroterion-20241112032300"></span>Oh <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/41807109">this</a> was great, <a href="/wiki/User:Acroterion" title="User:Acroterion">Acroterion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241112035900-Acroterion-20241112032300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241112035900-Acroterion-20241112032300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241112035900-Acroterion-20241112032300"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65" data-mw-thread-id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112124900"><span id="Books_.26_Bytes_.E2.80.93_Issue_65"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112124900"></span>Books & Bytes – Issue 65<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112124900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> <div style="font-size: 1.5em; 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padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em;"> <ul><li>Hindu Tamil Thisai joins The Wikipedia Library</li> <li>Frankfurt Book Fair 2024 report</li> <li>Tech tip: Mass downloads</li></ul> <p><big><b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/September-October_2024" class="extiw" title="m:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/September-October 2024">Read the full newsletter</a></b></big> </p> </div> </div> <p><small>Sent by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241112124900-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241112124900-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241112124900-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"></span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>I recently invited you to take a survey about administration on Wikipedia. If you haven’t yet had a chance, there is still time to participate– we’d truly appreciate your feedback. The survey is anonymous and should take about 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/294789?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User:BGerdemann (WMF)">BGerdemann (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a> </bdi><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Bluebird207" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Bluebird207-20241113022500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Bluebird207-20241113022500"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Bluebird207" title="User:Bluebird207">User:Bluebird207</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Bluebird207-20241113022500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500-User:Bluebird207"></span>This individual, whom you blocked a while ago, has created this attack page <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:162.128.128.7&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:162.128.128.7 (page does not exist)">User talk:162.128.128.7</a>. It's not aimed not at me but I'm sure he did one especially for me once. Not sure if you want to permanently remove it, or what the procedure is. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Bretonbanquet" title="User:Bretonbanquet">Bretonbanquet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bretonbanquet" title="User talk:Bretonbanquet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500-User:Bluebird207" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500-User:Bluebird207"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500-User:Bluebird207"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241113023800-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500"></span>Ha, the whining continues. I see that the indefatigable Bbb has taken care of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241113023800-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241113023800-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241113023800-Bretonbanquet-20241113022500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Home_Alone_2:_Lost_in_New_York" title="Home Alone 2: Lost in New York"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241113042100-Drmies-20241113023800"></span>Wow, what a hole</a>. I should have studied the dictionary more, because I have never heard that word before. <a href="/wiki/User:NoobThreePointOh" title="User:NoobThreePointOh">NoobThreePointOh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoobThreePointOh" title="User talk:NoobThreePointOh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-NoobThreePointOh-20241113042100-Drmies-20241113023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241113042100-Drmies-20241113023800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoobThreePointOh-20241113042100-Drmies-20241113023800"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800-User:Bluebird207"></span>He's still going, creating <a href="/wiki/User:Roger_Eight_Roger" title="User:Roger Eight Roger">User:Roger Eight Roger</a> solely to have a pop at <a href="/wiki/User:Roger_8_Roger" title="User:Roger 8 Roger">User:Roger 8 Roger</a> and to dig at him (and me) in edit summaries. The account's been blocked but maybe scratch it completely for R8R's sake? This guy seems completely unhinged. <a href="/wiki/User:Bretonbanquet" title="User:Bretonbanquet">Bretonbanquet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bretonbanquet" title="User talk:Bretonbanquet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800-User:Bluebird207" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800-User:Bluebird207"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800-User:Bluebird207"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120210200-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800"></span>There was nothing else there. Yeah, amazing, huh, how someone can carry a grudge for that long. BTW the big edit was complete shite. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120210200-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120210200-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120210200-Bretonbanquet-20241120190800"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120214300-Drmies-20241120210200"></span>Thanks for that. I guess he's too far gone to stop now, so let's see what happens next... ! <a href="/wiki/User:Bretonbanquet" title="User:Bretonbanquet">Bretonbanquet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bretonbanquet" title="User talk:Bretonbanquet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bretonbanquet-20241120214300-Drmies-20241120210200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120214300-Drmies-20241120210200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bretonbanquet-20241120214300-Drmies-20241120210200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_summaries_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_summaries_removed-20241114134200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_summaries_removed-20241114134200"></span>Edit summaries removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_summaries_removed-20241114134200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchreiberBike-20241114134200-Edit_summaries_removed"></span>Thank you for removing those edit summaries. There are similar issues at <a href="/wiki/White-rumped_falcon" title="White-rumped falcon">White-rumped falcon</a> and <a href="/wiki/Termite" title="Termite">Termite</a>. This is a problem that's been coming up repeatedly, probably by a single IP editor. The least said about it the better. <a href="/wiki/User:SchreiberBike" title="User:SchreiberBike">SchreiberBike </a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchreiberBike#top" title="User talk:SchreiberBike"> ⌨ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-SchreiberBike-20241114134200-Edit_summaries_removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchreiberBike-20241114134200-Edit_summaries_removed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchreiberBike-20241114134200-Edit_summaries_removed"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241114135100-SchreiberBike-20241114134200"></span>Thanks for that--the range was widened a bit. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241114135100-SchreiberBike-20241114134200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241114135100-SchreiberBike-20241114134200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241114135100-SchreiberBike-20241114134200"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond-20241118040800"><span id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices.2FPage.2FDonald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond-20241118040800"></span>Nomination for deletion of <a href="/wiki/Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations" title="Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations">Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond-20241118040800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20241118040800-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations" title="Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations">Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">nominated for deletion</a>. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_18#Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 18"><b>the entry on the Templates for discussion page</b></a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Jonesey95-20241118040800-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20241118040800-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20241118040800-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscond"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241118132900-Jonesey95-20241118040800"></span>? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241118132900-Jonesey95-20241118040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241118132900-Jonesey95-20241118040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241118132900-Jonesey95-20241118040800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800-Drmies-20241118132900"></span>I'm struggling to understand what problem is caused by blank edit notices such that they're worth the effort to nominate and discuss them. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800-Drmies-20241118132900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800-Drmies-20241118132900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800-Drmies-20241118132900"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241118151300-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800"></span>Well I'm all about cleanup, but I don't understand why I got pinged. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241118151300-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241118151300-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241118151300-HJ_Mitchell-20241118134800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241118151400-Drmies-20241118151300"></span>Because we're supposed to ping the creator, even when the creation was in all likelihood not something they'll remember? — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241118151400-Drmies-20241118151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241118151400-Drmies-20241118151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241118151400-Drmies-20241118151300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241118152400-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"></span>This creator certainly doesn't remember creating one of them things. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241118152400-Crisco_1492-20241118151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241118152400-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241118152400-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241118152500-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"></span>Looking through some of those histories makes me miss <a href="/wiki/User:Coffee" title="User:Coffee">Coffee</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241118152500-Crisco_1492-20241118151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241118152500-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241118152500-Crisco_1492-20241118151400"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina-20241119000200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina-20241119000200"></span>Reversions in Hohenlohe and Malaspina<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina-20241119000200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span>! I've seen your reversions on the tables I edited recently. </p> <ul><li>I was sure that notability issues were related to creating pages for unnotable people; I don't think listing them causes a problem, and erasing everything I done isn't definitely the best solution. Also, Wikipedia is a collaborative project; instead of erasing tables for lack of verifiability, let me invite you to improve what's already there!</li> <li>The tables I make are not genealogies; they are lists of rulers, ordered chronologically by beginning of rule, that somehow intervened/ruled in a part of a territory. For the Hohenlohe case, it's normal that, in Germany, there were lots of rulers, branches and divisions; they had the habit of splitting their inheritances between many children. I only make these distinctions with colours in one table, instead of many separate tables or long lists. Of course, for the Malaspina case it is very difficult to be concise; the family really split up a lot.</li></ul> <p>I'm sorry if you felt confused. I agree some tables can be hard to understand (The House of Malaspina is definitely one of them), but you can always message me first with your doubts, before undoing in seconds a work that took a lot of time to be done. I won't even bother about your erasings in a page that was clearly <b>under construction</b>. Just speak to me first, instead of justifying in-between edits. Thank you in advance for your understanding! Greetings, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mhmrodrigues&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mhmrodrigues (page does not exist)">Mhmrodrigues</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mhmrodrigues" title="User talk:Mhmrodrigues">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200-Reversions_in_Hohenlohe_and_Malaspina"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241119154600-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200"></span>Thanks for the note and the sympathy, but I'm not confused. I'm not "justifying in-between edits": I'm removing a ton of excessive, poorly formatted, unverified, and unencyclopedic material. No, I am not going to improve a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malaspina_family&diff=prev&oldid=1258249078">genealogy of this size</a>--that's for a different website than ours. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241119154600-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241119154600-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241119154600-Mhmrodrigues-20241119000200"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mhmrodrigues-20241119185500-Drmies-20241119154600"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span>, please, tell me which website were you thinking of, because I wouldn't want to throw all my work to trash. I understand that for the Malaspina case, the table got too big, but I don't think it's the case for the Hohenlohe family. As so, I'll revert your erasing in this page. As I told, the page is under construction, and I would appreciate your respect for my work. Thank you in advance for your understanding! 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001600-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001600-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001600-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minesocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minesocks-20241119161700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minesocks-20241119161700"></span>Minesocks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minesocks-20241119161700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zinnober9-20241119161700-Minesocks"></span>Thanks, I was suspecting all three of those accounts were the same person, but hadn't formalized a report yet.<br/> <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:5.95.128.24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:5.95.128.24 (page does not exist)">5.95.128.24</a> </span><span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:5.95.128.24" title="User talk:5.95.128.24">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/5.95.128.24" title="Special:Contributions/5.95.128.24">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=5.95.128.24">WHOIS</a>)</span></span> had similar edits, so a little surprised they weren't included. Guessing there wasn't a technical connection, but would you have a look at a behavioral connection? All of their 150 byte+ edits added the same wikitable entry content as the confirmed socks. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MTM_Enterprises&diff=prev&oldid=1252506752">diff 5.95.128.24</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MTM_Enterprises&diff=prev&oldid=1258409279">diff TES2.0</a> for a comparison. Can provide more if other diffs if needed, though they are all more or less the same. <a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zinnober9" title="User talk:Zinnober9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Zinnober9-20241119161700-Minesocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zinnober9-20241119161700-Minesocks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zinnober9-20241119161700-Minesocks"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241119175000-Zinnober9-20241119161700"></span>No, <a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a>, that's enough--thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241119175000-Zinnober9-20241119161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241119175000-Zinnober9-20241119161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241119175000-Zinnober9-20241119161700"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apparently_misleading_userpage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apparently_misleading_userpage-20241120014400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apparently_misleading_userpage-20241120014400"></span>Apparently misleading userpage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apparently_misleading_userpage-20241120014400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120014400-Apparently_misleading_userpage"></span>Hey Drmies, how have you been? <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GreenStoneThrow">GreenStoneThrow</a></span>, who left a weird message on my tp<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ktrimi991&diff=prev&oldid=1254754608">[1]</a>, claims on their userpage to be Radix and to have some advanced rights like that of Wikimedia steward. It seems that GreenStoneThrow copy-pasted the userpage of the true <a href="/wiki/User:RadiX" title="User:RadiX">User:RadiX</a>. I notified RadiX of that <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RadiX&diff=prev&oldid=1254816015">[2]</a>, but almost 3 weeks have passed and they have not edited on enwiki yet. Maybe an admin should take a look at this, if time permits. <a href="/wiki/User:Ktrimi991" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ktrimi991">Ktrimi991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktrimi991" title="User talk:Ktrimi991">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Ktrimi991-20241120014400-Apparently_misleading_userpage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120014400-Apparently_misleading_userpage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktrimi991-20241120014400-Apparently_misleading_userpage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241120015500-Ktrimi991-20241120014400"></span>I removed the userpage. Per el.wiki, the user is a sock of an account that hasn't edited en.wiki in a couple of years and is not blocked on en.wiki. I'd block GST but they haven't edited since posting that stupid message on your Talk page on November 1. If they resume editing, I'm happy to block.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bbb23-20241120015500-Ktrimi991-20241120014400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241120015500-Ktrimi991-20241120014400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241120015500-Ktrimi991-20241120014400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120020300-Bbb23-20241120015500"></span>That reminds me that maybe one day I should re-read <i><a href="/wiki/Radix_(novel)" title="Radix (novel)">Radix</a></i>, which I think our user was named for. Very, very weird book. Images from it sometimes return to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120020300-Bbb23-20241120015500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120020300-Bbb23-20241120015500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120020300-Bbb23-20241120015500"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120022200-Bbb23-20241120015500"></span>Bbb23</a>, do you know what's wrong with the <a class="external text" href="https://ip-range-calc.toolforge.org/">range calculator tool</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120022200-Bbb23-20241120015500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120022200-Bbb23-20241120015500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120022200-Bbb23-20241120015500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241120022400-Drmies-20241120022200"></span>Look like some more collateral damage due to Fastily's resignation.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bbb23-20241120022400-Drmies-20241120022200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241120022400-Drmies-20241120022200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241120022400-Drmies-20241120022200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241120022500-Bbb23-20241120022400"></span>Don't know if there's something better, but I use <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Blockcalc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blockcalc">blockcalc</a>}}</code>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bbb23-20241120022500-Bbb23-20241120022400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241120022500-Bbb23-20241120022400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241120022500-Bbb23-20241120022400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120023400-Bbb23-20241120022500"></span>Thanks--I appreciate that. But the tool was broken a few days ago already. Anyway, yes, another loss for our community, which is how <a href="/wiki/User:Knitsey" title="User:Knitsey">Knitsey</a> put it. Did you see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fastily&diff=prev&oldid=1258371984">this</a> and the responses to it? I noted in one of my comments on this or the other recall: users with little experience and sometimes even less sense get to weigh in and it all counts up to 15. Who's taking bets on who's next? I don't think <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> is in any danger yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120023400-Bbb23-20241120022500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120023400-Bbb23-20241120022500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120023400-Bbb23-20241120022500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241120023800-Drmies-20241120023400"></span>Safe, only because I so seldom do anything around here anymore; but if you recall RFA #2, there were quite a lot of non-fans. Feels like the French Revolution. Who's next at the guillotine? Maybe one of the people who supported it the first two times. That's how guillotines work. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Floquenbeam-20241120023800-Drmies-20241120023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241120023800-Drmies-20241120023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241120023800-Drmies-20241120023400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knitsey-20241120024300-Floquenbeam-20241120023800"></span>I will get my knitting needles out. Don't we have an essay somewhere about sitting too close to the guillotine?</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>, I said on the recall that toxicity from RfA's has now transfered to the recall process. <a href="/wiki/User:Knitsey" title="User:Knitsey"><span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knitsey" title="User talk:Knitsey"><span style="color: maroon">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Knitsey-20241120024300-Floquenbeam-20241120023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knitsey-20241120024300-Floquenbeam-20241120023800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knitsey-20241120024300-Floquenbeam-20241120023800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120030400-Knitsey-20241120024300"></span>Floq, thanks for reminding me of that shit show--I had kind of forgotten. Glad you are still here. Ha, you have that too? Every time you see one of those old records you start clicking to see if the editors you remember are still here? Sad. Knitsey, I don't know about essays--I teach essay writing but prefer not to read too many. And yes I agree re:toxicity. I don't know, but I'll put down some money on the recall process being re-evaluated three recalls from now. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120030400-Knitsey-20241120024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120030400-Knitsey-20241120024300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120030400-Knitsey-20241120024300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120181100-Drmies-20241120030400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a>:</span> thank you, much appreciated.</dd> <dd>Btw, since the recall process was mentioned above, let me offer another point of view. I agree that the recall process gives weight to votes from inexperienced editors, who probably have no clue about things. However, on the other hand, it has the great benefit of making it easier to make admins accountable and desysop those who lose the community's trust. I know the vast majority of admins are constructive and I highly appreciate their efforts (apart from the Graham case, I have always voted "Support" in RfAs), but a few admins for a long time took advantage of the complexity of the desysopping process to misuse their tools and get away with it. In the Balkan topics this has become an obvious issue in recent years. Like the admin who blocked, without a prior warning, an established editor with a clean block log for making a single revert (they had had many content disputes on the Kosovo vs Serbia articles before, which puts in question admin's neutrality). Another admin wanted to topic ban an established editor, without a prior warning, for a single edit (they had had content disputes on the Croatia vs Serbia articles). Another one protected his version of the article after running out of reverts. Even more blatant was the admin who threatened to block anyone who reverted a recent edit, which had failed to get consensus on the tp, and which was supported by admin's "friend" (admin's own words). Or like the guy who, almost immediately after becoming an admin, went to a content dispute and decided that a recent edit did not need consensus on the tp, and blocked an editor for restoring the long-term version (the editor, a newbie, quit editing on enwiki). IMO only an easy process of desysopping can deter such blatant misuse of admin authority. The number of active admins has gone down and it is a serious problem, but it is as much of a serious problem that the overall quality, at least in the Balkans topic area, has gone down as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Ktrimi991" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ktrimi991">Ktrimi991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktrimi991" title="User talk:Ktrimi991">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Ktrimi991-20241120181100-Drmies-20241120030400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120181100-Drmies-20241120030400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktrimi991-20241120181100-Drmies-20241120030400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Ktrimi991" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ktrimi991"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241120183100-Apparently_misleading_userpage"></span>Ktrimi991</a>, yeah, what you're describing is a whole nother kettle of fish, and if you decide to take any action on those issues, please let me know. I think you know me as a straight shooter, and I do believe that deep content involvement is not a good thing, and such matters should be dealt with in broader forums than obscure article talk pages or project pages. Then again, I think we both know how ANI discussions on Balkanized topics often go--they rapidly devolve into name calling and accusations of partisanship, and rarely offer solutions or even clarity. Well, you now have a tool to use if you want. I'm not happy with how the first two recalls went, though I also realize they were based on real and genuine concerns; I still think it's too blunt a tool. Perhaps <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall/Reworkshop" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Reworkshop">Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Reworkshop</a> will be productive. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241120183100-Apparently_misleading_userpage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241120183100-Apparently_misleading_userpage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241120183100-Apparently_misleading_userpage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120203500-Drmies-20241120183100"></span>Those cases are one year or older, so now it is pointless for me to report them. If they were fresh cases with the recall process around, I would seriously consider reporting them to the wider community. I agree that the recall process is too blunt. My concern is that some people will misuse it to put pressure on good faith admins or to take "revenge" after a dispute. IMO 3 changes should be added to the current rules. An editor should not directly open a recall petition, but instead should complain about the admin at ANI/I. Then another editor with a certain level of experience, say with at least 10k edits and 5 years of editing, is allowed to open the recall petition. If the petition fails or the RfA is successful, then that editor who opened the petition is not allowed to open any petitions for a year. Some conditions like these are needed to serve as a filter and prevent such a potent tool from turning into a joke. How the community refines the rules will decide whether the recall process eventually serves its true purpose or not. Only time will tell. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ktrimi991" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ktrimi991">Ktrimi991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktrimi991" title="User talk:Ktrimi991">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Ktrimi991-20241120203500-Drmies-20241120183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktrimi991-20241120203500-Drmies-20241120183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktrimi991-20241120203500-Drmies-20241120183100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sockpuppet" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sockpuppet-20241121170000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sockpuppet-20241121170000"></span>Sockpuppet<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sockpuppet-20241121170000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikiToby-20241121170000-Sockpuppet"></span>You might wanna do a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUCK">WP:DUCK</a> block for <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ynm011" title="Special:Contributions/Ynm011">Ynm011</a> (remember this guy? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ynm010" title="User talk:Ynm010">User talk:Ynm010</a>). Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikiToby" title="User:TheWikiToby">TheWikiToby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikiToby" title="User talk:TheWikiToby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-TheWikiToby-20241121170000-Sockpuppet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikiToby-20241121170000-Sockpuppet"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikiToby-20241121170000-Sockpuppet"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241121170300-TheWikiToby-20241121170000"></span>Thanks. Sheesh, how obvious. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241121170300-TheWikiToby-20241121170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241121170300-TheWikiToby-20241121170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241121170300-TheWikiToby-20241121170000"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nature_abhors_a_vacuum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum-20241122154100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum-20241122154100"></span>Nature abhors a vacuum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum-20241122154100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheLongTone-20241122154100-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum"></span>...but all the world loves a vacuum cleaner. The Roborock article is indeed a curiosity. I take pleaure in removing fluff from such articles. There will probably be almost nothing left. I shall leave no corner unmopped.<a href="/wiki/User:TheLongTone" title="User:TheLongTone">TheLongTone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheLongTone" title="User talk:TheLongTone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-TheLongTone-20241122154100-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheLongTone-20241122154100-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheLongTone-20241122154100-Nature_abhors_a_vacuum"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241122154400-TheLongTone-20241122154100"></span>...nieuwe bezems vegen schoon! Oh, right, you're the one who nominated the list. Thanks for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241122154400-TheLongTone-20241122154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241122154400-TheLongTone-20241122154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241122154400-TheLongTone-20241122154100"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nice!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nice!-20241122154700"><span id="Nice.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nice!-20241122154700"></span>Nice!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nice!-20241122154700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122154700-Nice!"></span>Nice comeback to this hater <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TheAlienMan2020&curid=78421838&diff=1258949831&oldid=1258933911">here</a>. </p> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Face-smile.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/62px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="62" height="62" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/93px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/124px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>Hello Drmies</b>, Cooldudeseven7 has smiled at you! Smiles promote <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLove</a> and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLove</a> by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br/> <small><i>Smile at others by adding {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Smile" title="Template:Smile">subst:Smile</a>}} to their talk page with a friendly message.</i></small></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122154700-Nice!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122154700-Nice!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122154700-Nice!"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Michael_Herren" data-mw-thread-id="h-Michael_Herren-20241122165300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Michael_Herren-20241122165300"></span><a href="/wiki/Michael_Herren" title="Michael Herren">Michael Herren</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Michael_Herren-20241122165300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241122165300-Michael_Herren"></span>If you have time, could you take a look at the Herren article? Seems like your kind of subject. I'm having a dispute with another editor about a lot of material they want added to the article. I suspect the article should be expanded but not the way the user is going about it. Maybe somewhere in the mythical middle? All I can think of is the song from <i>Cabaret</i>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bbb23-20241122165300-Michael_Herren" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241122165300-Michael_Herren"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241122165300-Michael_Herren"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241122191500-Bbb23-20241122165300"></span>Oh, he's an outstanding and important scholar, but yes, this kind of resume writing just won't do. Everything based on a Festschrift--we can't have that. You may have seen I got busy on <a href="/wiki/Lisa_Vollendorf" title="Lisa Vollendorf">Lisa Vollendorf</a>, which is a similar case. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Drmies-20241122191500-Bbb23-20241122165300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241122191500-Bbb23-20241122165300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241122191500-Bbb23-20241122165300"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241122192700-Drmies-20241122191500"></span>No, I didn't notice, these are not the types of articles I edit. I stumbled into the Herren article. Thanks for your help.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Bbb23-20241122192700-Drmies-20241122191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241122192700-Drmies-20241122191500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241122192700-Drmies-20241122191500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying" data-mw-thread-id="h-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying-20241122171100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying-20241122171100"></span>2R at <a href="/wiki/Murder_of_Wang_Lianying" title="Murder of Wang Lianying">Murder of Wang Lianying</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying-20241122171100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241122171100-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying"></span>Howdy, Drmies and stalkers. <a href="/wiki/Murder_of_Wang_Lianying" title="Murder of Wang Lianying">Murder of Wang Lianying</a> is linked from the main page, and I'm at 2R for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Wang_Lianying&diff=prev&oldid=1258961378">reverting a link to 'sex scandal'</a> when the sources indicate that the case was more eye-catching due to its modernity and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Wang_Lianying&diff=1258969287&oldid=1258964436">restoring a mention of sex work in Shanghai</a> removed by someone who does not appear to understand the word "courtesan". I'd appreciate it if anyone could keep an eye on the article, as neither of these reverts crosses the "obvious vandalism" threshold set by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">WP:3RR</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241122171100-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241122171100-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241122171100-2R_at_Murder_of_Wang_Lianying"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122184500-Crisco_1492-20241122171100"></span>Both of these threads featured disruption around courtesans in China: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1163#User:清风与明月_multiple_issues" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1163">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1163 § User:清风与明月 multiple issues</a> (August 2024) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1166#User:清风与明月_Continued_Tendentious_editing." title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1166">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1166 § User:清风与明月 Continued Tendentious editing.</a> (September 2024). Not sure if related. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Folly_Mox-20241122184500-Crisco_1492-20241122171100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241122184500-Crisco_1492-20241122171100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241122184500-Crisco_1492-20241122171100"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241122193900-Folly_Mox-20241122184500"></span>Thanks for the link, <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a>. It may be related... seems to fit the pattern of downplaying the prostitution aspect of courtesanship in China. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241122193900-Folly_Mox-20241122184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241122193900-Folly_Mox-20241122184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241122193900-Folly_Mox-20241122184500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Slim_Jxmmi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Slim_Jxmmi-20241124002700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Slim_Jxmmi-20241124002700"></span><a href="/wiki/Slim_Jxmmi" class="mw-redirect" title="Slim Jxmmi">Slim Jxmmi</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Slim_Jxmmi-20241124002700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-20241124002700-Slim_Jxmmi"></span>Would it be possible to decrease the protection of this redirect from admin to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ECP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ECP">extended-confirmed protection</a>? The attempts to override the AFD were six years ago, and there is a draft in review at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Slim_Jxmmi" title="Draft:Slim Jxmmi">Draft:Slim Jxmmi</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Robert_McClenon-20241124002700-Slim_Jxmmi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-20241124002700-Slim_Jxmmi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-20241124002700-Slim_Jxmmi"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd-20241124013200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd-20241124013200"></span><a href="/wiki/Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd" title="Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd">Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd-20241124013200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd"></span>I don't oppose cutting down the plot material, but having no coverage of his role in the game beyond his backstory makes it difficult for readers to understand critical discussion of his character. - <a href="/wiki/User:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User:Cukie Gherkin">Cukie Gherkin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User talk:Cukie Gherkin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200-Dimitri_Alexandre_Blaiddyd"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User:Cukie Gherkin">Cukie Gherkin</a>. As someone who played the game, albeit with the Black Eagles, I tend to agree that the coverage on Dimitri's role in the game is a bit excessive, better suited for Fandom than Wikipedia – and ironically also not sufficiently comprehensive, as it fails to cover the three alternative storylines (though to be fair, as far as I remember, his role in the Church and the Black Eagles storylines is the same). I agree that keeping <i>some</i> of it makes sense, but at most a paragraph. If you look at featured articles on video game characters, like <a href="/wiki/Ada_Wong" title="Ada Wong">Ada Wong</a> and <a href="/wiki/Jill_Valentine" title="Jill Valentine">Jill Valentine</a>, we don't provide beat-by-beat information on their roles in the games. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241124025000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124013200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100-Crisco_1492-20241124025000"></span>I am in agreement, but I merely reverted it because I think that too much was lost. - <a href="/wiki/User:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User:Cukie Gherkin">Cukie Gherkin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User talk:Cukie Gherkin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100-Crisco_1492-20241124025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100-Crisco_1492-20241124025000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100-Crisco_1492-20241124025000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025500-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"></span>Fair, though I think the best step moving forward would be to trim the plot. As for the trimming of Hernandez' comments, I agree with Drmies that too much <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a> is being given to that review. Hackney's commentary is (for me) mostly good, but it could be reworded to avoid bloat. I'll see about doing that. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241124025500-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025500-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241124025500-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124030000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"></span>Managed to trim almost 240 characters. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Crisco_1492-20241124030000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124030000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241124030000-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124025100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124032100-Crisco_1492-20241124030000"></span>We could stand to trim Hernandez's comments, but I don't agree that it's undue, considering that the article focuses on Dimitri a significant amount of the time. - <a href="/wiki/User:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User:Cukie Gherkin">Cukie Gherkin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User talk:Cukie Gherkin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies#c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124032100-Crisco_1492-20241124030000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124032100-Crisco_1492-20241124030000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cukie_Gherkin-20241124032100-Crisco_1492-20241124030000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&oldid=1259238511">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&oldid=1259238511</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_user_and_user_talk_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia semi-protected user and user talk pages">Wikipedia semi-protected user and user talk pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 November 2024, at 03:21<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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