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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Overleg:Ad_van_der_Steur&action=edit&section=1" title="De broncode bewerken van de sectie: Tweede initiaal een J?"><span>brontekst bewerken</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Laatste bericht: <a href="#c-Paul_Brussel-2020-08-13T14:29:00.000Z-Gouwenaar-2020-08-13T14:22:00.000Z">4 jaar geleden</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 berichten</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 personen in overleg</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daaf_Spijker-2020-08-13T07:09:00.000Z-Tweede_initiaal_een_J?"></span>Blijkens <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Helpdesk#Fout_in_item_Ad_van_der_Steur">deze conversatie</a> op de Helpdesk zou er wel of geen -J.- als tweede initiaal in de naam van deze A. van der Steur horen.</dd> <dd>Op grond van <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mizig=348&miadt=236&miaet=54&micode=358.46-11893&minr=9539112&miview=ldt">deze samenvatting</a> van de geboorteakte heb ik de -J.- in de naam gewist._<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif"> <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Daaf_Spijker" title="Gebruiker:Daaf Spijker">DaafSpijker</a> <small><sub><a href="/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Daaf_Spijker" title="Overleg gebruiker:Daaf Spijker"><span class="handtekening_lang" style="color:lightblue"><b>overleg</b></span></a></sub></small></span> <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg:Ad_van_der_Steur#c-Daaf_Spijker-2020-08-13T07:09:00.000Z-Tweede_initiaal_een_J?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 aug 2020 09:09 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daaf_Spijker-2020-08-13T07:09:00.000Z-Tweede_initiaal_een_J?"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reageren","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reageren</span><span 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id="c-Gouwenaar-2020-08-13T14:22:00.000Z-Paul_Brussel-2020-08-13T13:26:00.000Z"></span>Dit heeft ook altijd vanaf 2007 <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ad_van_der_Steur&type=revision&diff=54048285&oldid=51944006">tot 19 juni 2019</a> correct in het artikel gestaan. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Gouwenaar" title="Gebruiker:Gouwenaar">Gouwenaar</a> (<a href="/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Gouwenaar" title="Overleg gebruiker:Gouwenaar">overleg</a>) <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg:Ad_van_der_Steur#c-Gouwenaar-2020-08-13T14:22:00.000Z-Paul_Brussel-2020-08-13T13:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 aug 2020 16:22 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gouwenaar-2020-08-13T14:22:00.000Z-Paul_Brussel-2020-08-13T13:26:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless 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