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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Virginia" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Virginia">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Virginia</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Virginia</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Virginia articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-high"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Virginia_articles" title="Category:High-importance Virginia articles">High</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>High-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Virginia/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Substantial_rewrite" data-mw-thread-id="h-Substantial_rewrite-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Substantial_rewrite-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z"></span>Substantial rewrite<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Substantial_rewrite-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Substantial rewrite"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luna_Santin-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z-Substantial_rewrite"></span>Just a quick note, I've rewritten a large portion of this article, today. Hopefully it's much better sourced, now, among other things. – <span style="font-family: Garamond"><a href="/wiki/User:Luna_Santin" title="User:Luna Santin"><span style="color:#1E90FF;"><b>Luna Santin</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luna_Santin" title="User talk:Luna Santin">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Luna_Santin-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z-Substantial_rewrite" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luna_Santin-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z-Substantial_rewrite"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luna_Santin-2007-07-06T23:10:00.000Z-Substantial_rewrite"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GA_fail" data-mw-thread-id="h-GA_fail-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GA_fail-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z"></span>GA fail<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GA_fail-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: GA fail"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awadewit-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z-GA_fail"></span>This article needs more information, some restructuring and a bit more historical context. </p> <ul><li>Because the editors are using encyclopedias and what appear to be textbooks as their main sources, this article's information on Bacon is very limited. While it may be difficult to find information on Bacon, it is not impossible. The editors need to dig in their heels and do serious research. (I would start with the references listed <a href="/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion" title="Bacon's Rebellion">here</a>. They will also have bibliographies that will hopefully lead you to better material.</li> <li>I would suggest that the "Identification" section be incorporated into the "Early life" section or put into a footnote. It is strange to have Bacon die and then start discussing his birthdate and existence.</li> <li>The lead needs to be expanded a bit more per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEAD">WP:LEAD</a>.</li> <li>The section on <a href="/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion" title="Bacon's Rebellion">Bacon's Rebellion</a>, while informing the reader to an extent of the historical background, needs to do still more. Berkeley, for example, is not introduced anywhere - he just appears.</li></ul> <p>Drop me a line on my talk page if you have any questions concerning this review. <a href="/wiki/User:Awadewit" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Awadewit">Awadewit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awadewit" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Awadewit"><small>talk</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Awadewit-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z-GA_fail" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awadewit-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z-GA_fail"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awadewit-2007-07-20T09:15:00.000Z-GA_fail"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Birthdate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Birthdate-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Birthdate-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z"></span>Birthdate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Birthdate-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Birthdate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wjhonson-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z-Birthdate"></span>No one knows for certain when he was born. An earlier attribution of him as the Nathaniel Bacon born in 1646 or 1647 appears to be spurious, based on no firm foundation, although widely repeated in later literature including Encyclopaedia Britannica, and the new Dictionary of National Biography. The old Dictionary of National Biography lists only a supposed birthyear and credits his father as Thomas from a contemporary document, but no mother is listed. </p><p>The birthdate is not correct. It was based on a false pasting of him onto another Nathaniel Bacon of that birthdate. Any book or article which purports to give him a particular birthdate is based ultimately on this bad research which they merely repeat. I'm particularly grieved to see the new Dictionary of National Biography merely repeating this falsehood without doing the proper research to see that it's false. </p><p>In my ap us history book, (The American Pagent), it states that Bacon led 1,000 followers, not 500. Which is true? I was just wondering... I see that the information was taken from the book I have, I believe that I also have the 2002 version, so I'm not sure why they put 500 people.? </p> <dl><dd>Edit the page, cite your source with a page number, and you'll be fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Wjhonson" title="User:Wjhonson">Wjhonson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Wjhonson-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z-Birthdate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wjhonson-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z-Birthdate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wjhonson-2006-07-28T06:01:00.000Z-Birthdate"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wjhonson-2006-10-13T05:19:00.000Z-Birthdate"></span>This is an awful document and is to hard to read for normal people? </p><p>No one knows for certain when he was born? I know EXACTLY when he was born. through vigourous research. Samantha G. </p> <dl><dd>Unfortunately, most sources erroneously give him a birthdate based on a baptismal record for a different Nathaniel Bacon. There is no proof the two Nathaniel's are the same person and there is reason to believe they are not.<a href="/wiki/User:Wjhonson" title="User:Wjhonson">Wjhonson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Wjhonson-2006-10-13T05:19:00.000Z-Birthdate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wjhonson-2006-10-13T05:19:00.000Z-Birthdate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wjhonson-2006-10-13T05:19:00.000Z-Birthdate"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unclear" data-mw-thread-id="h-unclear"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unclear"></span>unclear<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unclear"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: unclear"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I don't understand the phrase "Bacon's Rebellion was here upon by Nathaniel Bacon's disagreement with ..." I would edit it, but I can't even determine what the original author is even trying to say. I leave it to some other brave soul to try. </p><p>ADC </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Poor_farmer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Poor_farmer-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Poor_farmer-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z"></span>Poor farmer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Poor_farmer-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Poor farmer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.242.64.16-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z-Poor_farmer"></span>Is it really fair to call Nathaniel Bacon a poor farmer, considering his linneage? I remember hearing that he had over one thousand pounds to invest in a plantation he himself owned. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.242.64.16" title="Special:Contributions/24.242.64.16">24.242.64.16</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.242.64.16&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.242.64.16 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-24.242.64.16-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z-Poor_farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.242.64.16-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z-Poor_farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.242.64.16-2007-09-03T21:25:00.000Z-Poor_farmer"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Picture_of_the_wrong_man" data-mw-thread-id="h-Picture_of_the_wrong_man-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Picture_of_the_wrong_man-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z"></span>Picture of the wrong man<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Picture_of_the_wrong_man-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Picture of the wrong man"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-85.216.101.202-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"></span>The engraving is From "An Historical Discourse" thus it shows the other Nathaniel Bacon of the 17th Century. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.216.101.202" title="Special:Contributions/85.216.101.202">85.216.101.202</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:85.216.101.202&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:85.216.101.202 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-85.216.101.202-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-85.216.101.202-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-85.216.101.202-2008-05-20T19:58:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-05-28T21:48:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"></span>Correct, this is an engraving of <a href="/wiki/Sir_Nathaniel_Bacon" class="mw-redirect" title="Sir Nathaniel Bacon">Sir Nathaniel Bacon</a>. Nathaniel Bacon the rebel was not knighted. </p><p>I have moved this image to the correct article and removed it from <a href="/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion" title="Bacon's Rebellion">Bacon's Rebellion</a> as well. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-05-28T21:48:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-05-28T21:48:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-05-28T21:48:00.000Z-Picture_of_the_wrong_man"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diplomat?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diplomat?-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"><span id="Diplomat.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diplomat?-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"></span>Diplomat?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diplomat?-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Diplomat?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z-Diplomat?"></span>Why is he called a diplomat? <a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z-Diplomat?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z-Diplomat?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z-Diplomat?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"></span>First, please actually learn how to rename a page. It is NOT appropriate to "move" a page by copy and pasting the contents of the article over to a new name space. It violates GFDL as the article history is lost. Secondly, you do not rename an article like this without actual discussion and consensus. -- <a href="/wiki/User:AnmaFinotera" title="User:AnmaFinotera"><span style="font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F">AnmaFinotera</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnmaFinotera" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnmaFinotera">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera" title="Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-06-03T04:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span>I was unaware of any way of moving a page except by copy and pasting, for that I apologize. As to the moving, I asked in June why Nathaniel Bacon was called a diplomat, as he was not one. The article itself doesn't even explain this odd label. When nobody replied, I thought this was consensus enough. If this too violated some policy, I apologize again. And I can only plead ignorance in these two cases, though that my not be a sufficient excuse. I only wholeheartedly believed that I was making Wikipedia better and more accurate by renaming the page. It SHOULD be renamed, regardless of the incorrect fashion in which I did it. This should be done even without "consensus," as it is factually inaccurate, and this page is rarely visited and/or edited (I don't even want to expend energy to do it), so it might take weeks (as it already has) to find out why someone called him a diplomat, and reach consensus for that change. So, again, I am sorry for doing things incorrectly, but how can we get this page moved ASAP? <a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z"></span>To learn the proper way to move a page, see <a href="/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Moving a page">Help:Moving a page</a>. <s>For the page, I agree diplomat seems to be a bad disambiguation label, but rebel may or may not be appropriate (not sure if it is considered neutral). I've left a note at the biography project to ask them to weigh in on what a better disambig would be.</s> -- <a href="/wiki/User:AnmaFinotera" title="User:AnmaFinotera"><span style="font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F">AnmaFinotera</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnmaFinotera" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnmaFinotera">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera" title="Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the page (<a href="/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Moving a page">Help:Moving a page</a>), I'll look it over. I think rebel is proper, there is only a rebellion named after the guy! "Nathaniel Bacon (colonist)," perhaps? <a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z"></span>(edit conflict) Actually, I am wrong. "Diplomat" appears to have been used as the article once noted he was a diplomat.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nathaniel_Bacon_%28diplomat%29&oldid=176911582">[1]</a> This was changed to "figurehead" on March 15th, with no explanation for why it was changed.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nathaniel_Bacon_%28diplomat%29&diff=198465942&oldid=197996206">[2]</a> The page was being vandalized quite a bit during that time, and this change was never undone (until now). So diplomat appears to be appropriate unless it can't be substantiated -- <a href="/wiki/User:AnmaFinotera" title="User:AnmaFinotera"><span style="font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F">AnmaFinotera</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnmaFinotera" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnmaFinotera">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera" title="Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T02:45:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T02:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span>However you may deem it "appropriate," "diplomat" is just plain wrong. There is no such thing as a "diplomat of the Virginia Colony." Bacon was also not Berkeley's cousin, though I believe he Bacon and Berkeley may have been cousins by marriage (I don't recall where I read that, however). The creator of the page called him a "diplomat" in the title, but there is no possible reason gleaned from what he put on the page <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nathaniel_Bacon_%28diplomat%29&oldid=705246">[3]</a>. The first person to put "diplomat" into the main body of text did so without any substantiation, or reasoning <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nathaniel_Bacon_%28diplomat%29&diff=159732131&oldid=159249202">[4]</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>John Fiske, <i>Old Virginia and Her Neighbours</i>, (Boston and New York: Houghton, Mifflin and Co, 1902), available here <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=UiQSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA74&dq=%22nathaniel+bacon%22&ei=gO99SPe0HZD0jgGyzpjtDw&client=firefox-a">[5]</a>, doesn't even have the word "diplomat" in it! And it has a nice section on Bacon (pp. 74ff.), the colonist, the rebel (the genealogy even has "Bacon the Rebel), but not a "diplomat."</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-17T15:28:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Checking with Bio project. -- <a href="/wiki/User:AnmaFinotera" title="User:AnmaFinotera"><span style="font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F">AnmaFinotera</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnmaFinotera" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnmaFinotera">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera" title="Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-17T15:28:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-17T15:28:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-17T15:28:00.000Z-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-16T13:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-23T12:45:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Still no answer here or at bio project, and Nathaniel Bacon is still not a diplomat which means that Wikipedia is still wrong! Can we form a consensus of two and move the bloody page to "Nathaniel Bacon (colonist)," since "Nathaniel Bacon (rebel)" offends your NPOV sensibilities. It pains me to see Wikipedia remain incorrect. <a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-23T12:45:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-23T12:45:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2008-07-23T12:45:00.000Z-AnmaFinotera-2008-07-16T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spurious" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spurious-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spurious-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z"></span>Spurious<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spurious-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Spurious"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z-Spurious"></span>The current text decries the identification with the son of Thomas Bacon of Friston Hall as spurious, despite several authorities that confirm it. We need a source for this judgment, especially since the <i>ODNB</i> also affirms it, and specifies the sum Nathaniel Bacon was handed when he was sent off to the New World. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Pmanderson-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z-Spurious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z-Spurious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2009-04-11T02:34:00.000Z-Spurious"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Picture?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Picture?-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z"><span id="Picture.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Picture?-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z"></span>Picture?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Picture?-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Picture?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.70.107.137-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z-Picture?"></span>I'm almost positive that the picture on this page is not of Nathaniel Bacon, leader of Bacon's Rebellion, but rather of Sir Nathaniel Bacon, the noted English painter, who lived between 1585 and 1627 entirely in England, and was made a Knight of Bathe in 1625. These are two entirely different people. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.70.107.137" title="Special:Contributions/174.70.107.137">174.70.107.137</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:174.70.107.137&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:174.70.107.137 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-174.70.107.137-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z-Picture?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.70.107.137-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z-Picture?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.70.107.137-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z-Picture?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist" data-mw-thread-id="h-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z"><span id="This_is_the_painter.2C_not_the_Virginia_colonist"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z"></span>This is the painter, not the Virginia colonist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: This is the painter, not the Virginia colonist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tuckerresearch-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg/220px-Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="311" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg/330px-Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg/440px-Nathaniel_Bacon.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="904"/></a><figcaption>The painter, not the colonist</figcaption></figure> <p>This image is of the painter <a href="/wiki/Nathaniel_Bacon_(painter)" title="Nathaniel Bacon (painter)">Nathaniel Bacon</a>, not the Virginia colonist <a href="/wiki/Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist_and_rebel)" class="mw-redirect" title="Nathaniel Bacon (Virginia colonist and rebel)">Nathaniel Bacon</a>. Note the category at the bottom of the image page on Wikimedia and, for instance the Yale Center for British Art (link: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3622630">http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3622630</a>) here: "People Represented or Subject • Bacon, Sir Nathaniel (1585–1627), painter". Further research <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22S.R+NATHANIEL+BACON.+%7C+From+an+Original+at+the+Lord+Viscount+Grimston%27s%2C+at+Gorhambury.+~%22&oq=%22S.R+NATHANIEL+BACON.+%7C+From+an+Original+at+the+Lord+Viscount+Grimston%27s%2C+at+Gorhambury.+~%22&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=S.R+NATHANIEL+BACON.+%7C+From+an+Original+at+the+Lord+Viscount+Grimstons,+at+Gorhambury.+~&safe=off&tbm=bks&*">on Google Books</a> shows this as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Tuckerresearch" title="User:Tuckerresearch">TuckerResearch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tuckerresearch" title="User talk:Tuckerresearch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Tuckerresearch-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 11 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tuckerresearch-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tuckerresearch-2017-03-11T16:48:00.000Z-This_is_the_painter,_not_the_Virginia_colonist"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z"></span>Whitewashing of all mention of slavery from this article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Whitewashing of all mention of slavery from this article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmayer-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article"></span>All mention of the most significant aspect of <a href="/wiki/Bacon%27s_rebellion" class="mw-redirect" title="Bacon's rebellion">Bacon's rebellion</a> has been whitewashed from this article. That is to say, the most significant aspect of Bacon's rebellion was that it was a slave rebellion, uniting both enslaved and bonded workers, both black and white, against their oppressors. The most significant consequence of the Rebellion was the <a href="/wiki/Virginia_Slave_Codes_of_1705" title="Virginia Slave Codes of 1705">Virginia Slave Codes of 1705</a>, which legally enshrined a racial caste system that reverberates into modern American society. </p><p>I'm not a scholar, so it's not my place to fix this article. This is a call for help: someone needs to correct and then defend history in this article. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YESBIAS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YESBIAS">WP:YESBIAS</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Jmayer" title="User:Jmayer">Jmayer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmayer#top" title="User talk:Jmayer">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jmayer" title="Special:Contributions/Jmayer">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathaniel_Bacon_(Virginia_colonist)#c-Jmayer-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmayer-2018-09-02T17:38:00.000Z-Whitewashing_of_all_mention_of_slavery_from_this_article"><span 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