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(<a class="postlink" href="https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/7967">#7967</a>)</li></ol> Mainly what seems to be happened fairly regularly is either that changes get committed that don't follow the guidelines and then months later a bunch of them are fixed at once which then causes those strings to become fuzzy for translators, or the issues are noticed while reviewing the PR because only one or two people are consistently reviewing the text of PRs to try and catch these.</div> <div id="sig684345" class="signature">99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs<br> take one down, patch it around<br> -2,147,483,648 little bugs in the code</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p684351" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile684351"> <dt class="has-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=100598&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #8621FF;" class="username-coloured">Soliton</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Site Administrator</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./../search.php?author_id=100598&sr=posts&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216">1726</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> April 5th, 2005, 3:25 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> #wesnoth-mp</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content684351"> <h3 > <a href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684351&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684351">Re: Typography Style Guide</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./../posting.php?mode=quote&p=684351&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684351&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684351" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=100598&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #8621FF;" class="username-coloured">Soliton</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2023-10-25T08:57:11+00:00">October 25th, 2023, 8:57 am</time> </p> <div class="content">Not opposed, didn't check everything in detail though. Being consistent is a good thing and if there are details that are not useful the guide can be adjusted.<br> <br> The more that can be checked automatically the better.</div> <div id="sig684351" class="signature">"If gameplay requires it, they can be made to live on Venus." -- scott</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p684389" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile684389"> <dt class="has-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108075&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./../download/file.php?avatar=108075_1585525419.jpg" width="61" height="61" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108075&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">doofus-01</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Art Director</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./../search.php?author_id=108075&sr=posts&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216">4172</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> January 6th, 2008, 9:27 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> USA</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content684389"> <h3 > <a href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684389&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684389">Re: Typography Style Guide</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./../posting.php?mode=quote&p=684389&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684389&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684389" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108075&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">doofus-01</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2023-10-29T02:16:07+00:00">October 29th, 2023, 2:16 am</time> </p> <div class="content">1. "Opposed" is maybe too strong a word, but I don't have much respect for policing the subtleties of hyphen length or "non-standard" spacing after full stop. Grammar and spelling are important, as is enabling special characters for non-English text (in any context). But if it isn't a symbol on the keyboard, it's on the displaying program to auto-correct. Otherwise, it's a needless complication and waste of precious time.<br> 2. Standardization is certainly worth something, and if there is some easy script, like <code class="inline-code">wmlindent</code>, that can automate the style-guide corrections, then no problem. If I have to think about <em class="text-italics">em dash</em> vs <em class="text-italics">hyphen</em>, I'm just going to avoid text changes. Maybe that's a good thing, but that's where I stand.<br> <br> From looking at <a class="postlink" href="https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/7967">#7967</a>, I don't know what to think. Maybe it's OK, I'll follow up there if I have anything useful to contribute.</div> <div id="sig684389" class="signature"><span style="font-size:70%;line-height:116%">BfW 1.12 supported, but active development only for BfW 1.13/1.14: <strong class="text-strong"><a href="http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31348" class="postlink">Bad Moon Rising</a></strong> | <strong class="text-strong"><a href="http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31632" class="postlink">Trinity</a></strong> | <strong class="text-strong"><a href="http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27740" class="postlink">Archaic Era</a></strong> |<br> | Abandoned: <a href="http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=514347#p514347" class="postlink"><span style="text-decoration:line-through">Tales of the Setting Sun</span></a><br> </span><a href="https://github.com/doofus-01" class="postlink">GitHub link for these projects</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p684403" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile684403"> <dt class="has-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=131665&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./../download/file.php?avatar=131665_1344050688.png" width="100" height="100" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=131665&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #D52929;" class="username-coloured">Celtic_Minstrel</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Developer</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./../search.php?author_id=131665&sr=posts&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216">2357</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> August 3rd, 2012, 11:26 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> Canada</dd> <dd class="profile-contact"> <strong>Contact:</strong> <div class="dropdown-container dropdown-left"> <a href="#" class="dropdown-trigger" title="Contact Celtic_Minstrel"> <i class="icon fa-commenting-o fa-fw icon-lg" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Contact Celtic_Minstrel</span> </a> <div class="dropdown"> <div class="pointer"><div class="pointer-inner"></div></div> <div class="dropdown-contents contact-icons"> <div> <a href="http://pentalithia.ca/blog/" title="Website"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_website-icon">Website</span> </a> <a href="skype:celticminstrek?userinfo" title="Skype"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_skype-icon">Skype</span> </a> <a href="http://twitter.com/Celtic_Minstrel" title="Twitter" class="last-cell"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_twitter-icon">Twitter</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content684403"> <h3 > <a href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684403&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684403">Re: Typography Style Guide</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./../posting.php?mode=quote&p=684403&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./../viewtopic.php?p=684403&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216#p684403" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=131665&sid=d58624b6f3e6e1efb88068db74e2d216" style="color: #D52929;" class="username-coloured">Celtic_Minstrel</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2023-10-29T22:45:44+00:00">October 29th, 2023, 10:45 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">Regarding 1, I haven't read the style guide in detail recently, so don't take this as endorsement of the specific policies it prescribes. However, I think we <em class="text-italics">should</em> have a style guide and <em class="text-italics">should</em> endeavour to follow it consistently, even if I may disagree with some details here and there.<br> <br> As a random example, I would personally prefer to use the ellipsis character instead of three periods. However, if the project has decided to use three periods, then we should do so consistently everywhere.<br> <br> On to point 2, I think some of these rules simply cannot be automatically validated. I already mentioned elsewhere the example of the apostrophe / single quote issue – unless we decide <em class="text-italics">never</em> to use single quotes, we can't reliably determine with a script whether or not a given single quote preceded by a space is an apostrophe (and thus a "closing" quote) or an opening quote. 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