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Your use of AWB to remove honorific titles from clergy articles has meant that those titles have also been removed from infoboxes and references, in addition to removing those in the main text. This has made references incorrect. Also, titles are fine being included in infoboxes: <a href="/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HONORIFIC">MOS:HONORIFIC</a> concerns article titles and the first mention (IE right at the start of an article), as you'll see if you look at the table of contents for that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-05-30T21:53:00.000Z-Infobox_honorifics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-05-30T21:53:00.000Z-Infobox_honorifics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-05-30T21:53:00.000Z-Infobox_honorifics"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorry_for_the_mishap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorry_for_the_mishap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorry_for_the_mishap"></span>Sorry for the mishap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorry_for_the_mishap"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Sorry for the mishap"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Apologies for the Attenborough mix-up (back in '14). 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DPL_bot-2016-06-19T10:32:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 19 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2016-06-19T10:32:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_19"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2016-06-19T10:32:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_19"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"></span>Ordering of cast in TV program articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Ordering of cast in TV program articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles"></span>As was explained in the note that you deleted in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Top_Gear_%282002_TV_series%29&diff=next&oldid=726157999">this edit</a> to <a href="/wiki/Top_Gear_(2002_TV_series)" title="Top Gear (2002 TV series)">Top Gear (2002 TV series)</a>, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TVCAST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TVCAST">WP:TVCAST</a>, cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the programme and cast remain on the list even after departing the proramme. In series 1 of the programme, the cast ordering was <a href="/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson" title="Jeremy Clarkson">Jeremy Clarkson</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jason_Dawe_(TV_presenter)" class="mw-redirect" title="Jason Dawe (TV presenter)">Jason Dawe</a> and <a href="/wiki/Richard_Hammond" title="Richard Hammond">Richard Hammond</a>. Dawe left at the end of series one and was replaced by <a href="/wiki/James_May" title="James May">James May</a> and <a href="/wiki/The_Stig" title="The Stig">The Stig</a> was added. In series 23 episode 1, <a href="/wiki/Chris_Evans_(presenter)" title="Chris Evans (presenter)">Chris Evans</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matt_LeBlanc" title="Matt LeBlanc">Matt LeBlanc</a> and <a href="/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz" title="Sabine Schmitz">Sabine Schmitz</a> were added, in that order. <a href="/wiki/Eddie_Jordan" title="Eddie Jordan">Eddie Jordan</a> was added in episode 2. <a href="/wiki/Chris_Harris_(journalist)" title="Chris Harris (journalist)">Chris Harris</a> and <a href="/wiki/Rory_Reid_(journalist)" title="Rory Reid (journalist)">Rory Reid</a> were added in that order. This means that, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TVCAST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TVCAST">WP:TVCAST</a>, the cast listing should be <a href="/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson" title="Jeremy Clarkson">Jeremy Clarkson</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jason_Dawe_(TV_presenter)" class="mw-redirect" title="Jason Dawe (TV presenter)">Jason Dawe</a>, <a href="/wiki/Richard_Hammond" title="Richard Hammond">Richard Hammond</a>, <a href="/wiki/James_May" title="James May">James May</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Stig" title="The Stig">The Stig</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chris_Evans_(presenter)" title="Chris Evans (presenter)">Chris Evans</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matt_LeBlanc" title="Matt LeBlanc">Matt LeBlanc</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz" title="Sabine Schmitz">Sabine Schmitz</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eddie_Jordan" title="Eddie Jordan">Eddie Jordan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chris_Harris_(journalist)" title="Chris Harris (journalist)">Chris Harris</a>, <a href="/wiki/Rory_Reid_(journalist)" title="Rory Reid (journalist)">Rory Reid</a>, which is what it was until your edits. Also, we do not add things like "<i>with:</i>". --<a href="/wiki/User:AussieLegend" title="User:AussieLegend"><b><span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AussieLegend#top" title="User talk:AussieLegend"><big>✉</big></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z-Ordering_of_cast_in_TV_program_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"></span>Ok, most of that is fair enough; except that, clearly, when all seven new presenters are credited together, the five 'with's are credited in alphabetical order... <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T13:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T16:28:00.000Z-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z"></span>The five "withs" are credited differently in different episodes. In series 2, The Stig wasn't credited as "with". He was credited with Clarkson, Hammond and May. In series 23 episode 1, Schmitz was credited while the other "withs" weren't credited at all. In any case, "with" is irrelevant. Once people are credited on the list we don't change the order, otherwise we'd be changing it all the time. --<a href="/wiki/User:AussieLegend" title="User:AussieLegend"><b><span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AussieLegend#top" title="User talk:AussieLegend"><big>✉</big></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T16:28:00.000Z-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AussieLegend-2016-06-20T16:28:00.000Z-DBD-2016-06-20T15:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DPL_bot-2016-07-21T09:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2016-07-21T09:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_21"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2016-07-21T09:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_July_21"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"></span>Interpretation of <a href="/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HONORIFIC">MOS:HONORIFIC</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Interpretation of MOS:HONORIFIC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span>On what basis do you interpret <a href="/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HONORIFIC">MOS:HONORIFIC</a> as meaning or implying that honorifics should never be included before anyone's names in articles? It seems quite clear to me that this aspect of the MOS is only referring to the use of honorifics before the name of the subject of biographical articles in the opening sentence. I cannot find anything in the MOS which suggests that this also proscribes having honorifics before the names of other people mentioned elsewhere in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"></span>The first sentence, "In general, styles and honorifics should not be included in front of the name"? <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z"></span>In the context it appears in the MOS it is adequately clear that this is only referring to the subject of biographical articles and only to the opening sentence. You are also now mass removing honorifics from info boxes. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z"></span>I notice that <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a> has also addressed this issue with you on this page in May 2016 but you apparently didn't respond. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Ah. Bother. I see what you mean. How frustrating. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z"></span>The part you'll looking for is under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Subsequent_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies">Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Subsequent use</a> where it states "After the initial mention of any name, the person should generally be referred to by surname only, without an honorific prefix such as "Mx", "Mr", "Mrs", "Miss", or "Ms", or by a pronoun." <a href="/wiki/User:Ealdgyth" title="User:Ealdgyth">Ealdgyth</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ealdgyth" title="User talk:Ealdgyth">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T16:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. I would be perfectly content to accept that that would support my edits; what saith the jury? <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2016-07-24T17:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:02:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"></span>It doesn't support your edits at all. It does not support your removal of honorifics from elsewhere in articles for people who are <i><b>not the subject</b></i> of <b>biographical</b> articles. <a href="/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HONORIFIC">MOS:HONORIFIC</a> <i><b>only</b></i> refers to the <b>opening sentence</b> of articles and <i><b>not</b></i> to the whole article. Additionally, honorifics and titles are not (normally) ever used elsewhere in biographical articles for the subject (except in the info box). Nothing in the MOS appears to proscribe the use of honorifics for other other people mentioned in the body of articles. In fact other parts of the MOS make it apparent that honorifics and titles are usually acceptable in the body of articles. You have misread and misunderstood the MOS on this matter and most of your changes have been incoorect ones. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:02:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:02:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:02:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"></span>As I mentioned above, MOS:HONORIFIC is about the opening paragraph. "Subsequent use", is about the body of the article. Neither of these things apply to infoboxes, therefore it fine to include honorifics in infoboxes in the appropriate parameter. Outside of clergy, have a look at politicians' articles: eg, <a href="/wiki/David_Cameron" title="David Cameron">David Cameron</a> is a member of the Privy council therefore he qualifies for the honorific <i>The Right Honourable</i>, this is only used in the infobox, not the opening sentence or in the body of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T17:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Ok, so honorifics limited to infobox (if there is one) and a specific section (if there is one), not permitted elsewhere? I can agree not to remove honorifics from ibx <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-24T18:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z"></span>That's right, except in quotes, references etc; eg "‘TREMLETT, Rev. Canon Andrew’, Who's Who 2012". Could you please also not remove the the "|church=" parameter from infoboxes. What's the reasoning behind that? <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-24T18:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:08:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"></span>That is not right. "Subsequent use" <i><b>only applies</b></i> to the subject of a <b>biographical article</b>. It <i><b>does not apply</b></i> to any other people mentioned in the body of an article. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:08:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:08:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-26T00:08:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"></span>Oh, just that the people I'm dealing with don't usually have one church is all. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T13:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T18:23:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z"></span>The church parameter doesn't mean the building/local community church, but the larger church the person belongs to. Or, in the words of the template "Church the leader is a member of". It's the largest division that moves from Church to Archdiocese/Province/Metropolis to Diocese etc. For example, <a href="/wiki/Justin_Welby" title="Justin Welby">Justin Welby</a>'s infobox goes Church = Church of England, Province = Province of Canterbury, Diocese = Diocese of Canterbury. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T18:23:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T18:23:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T18:23:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span>Oh! Doesn't that get kinda lengthy? <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span> </p><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z"></span>I suppose it could do! Archdiocese/Province/Metropolis could be skipped to shorten things down if the infobox is overwhelming the article. But the church parameter is pretty important/vital. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T18:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Understood. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:48:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"></span>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:48:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:48:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T19:48:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T20:01:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"></span>Would it be worth copying this over to the talk page (IE <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biographies" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies</a>) so that others would be aware of this discussion? <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T20:01:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T20:01:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-25T20:01:00.000Z-DBD-2016-07-25T19:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span>Please stop your constantly disruptive habit of mass removing honorifics on the basis of your wrong understanding of <a href="/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HONORIFIC">MOS:HONORIFIC</a>. It does not apply to people in non-biographical articles nor to people who are not the subject of biographical articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anglicanus" title="User talk:Anglicanus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z-Interpretation_of_MOS:HONORIFIC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-28T20:25:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"></span>Hello <a href="/wiki/User:Anglicanus" title="User:Anglicanus">Anglicanus</a>, could you provide some evidence for your interpretation? Obviously we're not reading it the same way you are. For example, at the top of MOS:BIO it states "This page sets out guidelines for achieving visual and textual consistency in biographical articles and in biographical information in other articles", and under MOS:HONORIFIC it states "In general, styles and honorifics should not be included in front of the name". Further down (under Honorific titles) it says "honorific titles should not be deleted when they are used throughout an article unless there is consensus" however this refers specifically to the titles Sir, Dame, Lord and Lady, rather than the likes of Reverend. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-28T20:25:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-28T20:25:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-2016-07-28T20:25:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-29T14:52:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"></span>Anglicanus, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Luers&oldid=prev&diff=731949180">your revert</a> looks, let us say, at least a little overzealous. My edit corrected a few wikilinks <i>and</i> reformatted the succession box to the current-preferred format besides the honorifics-removals to which you object. While we're at that, what damage does removing the word Bishop from every reference to Luers do? Anyone reading the article already know he was a bishop, so what possible reason is there not to simply follow the encyclopaedic convention of referring to persons by surname only? <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-29T14:52:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-29T14:52:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-29T14:52:00.000Z-Anglicanus-2016-07-28T15:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cleryman/Priest" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleryman/Priest-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"><span id="Cleryman.2FPriest"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleryman/Priest-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Cleryman/Priest<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleryman/Priest-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Cleryman/Priest"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z-Cleryman/Priest"></span>You've amended the names of many articles from Foo (cleryman) to Foo (priest) citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCWC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCWC">WP:NCWC</a>. I don't find any support in NCWC for the changes. On what basis have they been made? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z-Cleryman/Priest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z-Cleryman/Priest"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z-Cleryman/Priest"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Before I revert all of the cleryman->priest renames you did, I thought I'd give you one last opportunity to explain the policy-based reasons which support your change. thanks --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-25T23:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-07-30T21:03:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, didn't see this before. Also I apologise for having misquoted WP:NCWC. Somewhere I have become mistaken as to what the rationale for these moves was. The rationale is not one which is codified or a guideline: it is simply for consistency among similar articles — the very large majority of articles about persons who are or were ordained priests (and require this dab but no more) were at (priest); and (cleric/gy/gyman) was a little imprecise. For instance, you can now tell from looking at the title (priest) that the subject was for instance an Anglican or Catholic priest, or (a minority of cases I've moved) (minister) for a Presybterian (say) or Congregationalist. I have carefully used the words which are used for these people by their own church. Now, you may contest that there is no specific guideline which prescribes (priest) over (cleric/gy/gyman); but I counter that there is neither any guideline which <i>proscribes</i> (priest) (nor <i>prescribes</i> {cleric/gy/gyman}). If you would like to establish such a guideline, we should discuss this widely as a community at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCWC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCWC">WP:NCWC</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">DBD</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-DBD-2016-07-30T21:03:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 30 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2016-07-30T21:03:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2016-07-30T21:03:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2016-07-30T19:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z"><span id="Princess_Alexandra.2C_Lady_Ogilvy"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z"></span>Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JackofOz-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy"></span>User:DBD, you cannot keep on moving <a href="/wiki/Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy" class="mw-redirect" title="Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy">Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy</a> to <a href="/wiki/Princess_Alexandra,_The_Honourable_Lady_Ogilvy" title="Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy">Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy</a> without any discussion. </p><p>Every time I've moved it, I've gone to the talk page and argued for my position. You have simply reverted me, twice now without engaging in the discussion, and just asserting in your edit summary that your preferred title is "the correct title". Well, that is exactly what we're at issue about. </p><p>You cannot simply ignore the discussion and insist on having your way. What you're doing is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">WP:edit warring</a>, which is BANNED, as an editor of over 11 years would well and truly know by now. </p><p>Please either self-revert your latest move, or go the talk page now and at least explain why you've made your latest move. </p><p>Failing that, further action will be taken. -- <a href="/wiki/User:JackofOz" title="User:JackofOz"><span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JackofOz#top" title="User talk:JackofOz"><span style="font-size:85%; font-family:Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-JackofOz-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 26 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JackofOz-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JackofOz-2016-07-26T00:33:00.000Z-Princess_Alexandra,_Lady_Ogilvy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What's_the_deal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What's_the_deal?-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z"><span id="What.27s_the_deal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What's_the_deal?-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z"></span>What's the deal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What's_the_deal?-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: What's the deal?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_K-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z-What's_the_deal?"></span>What's up with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minister_without_portfolio&type=revision&diff=675314123&oldid=664211522">this edit</a>? Why would you actively change "Lord John Russell" (correct) to "John Russell" (incorrect)? <a href="/wiki/User:John_K" title="User:John K">john k</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_K" title="User talk:John K">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-John_K-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z-What's_the_deal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_K-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z-What's_the_deal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_K-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z-What's_the_deal?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_K-2016-08-09T12:44:00.000Z-John_K-2016-08-09T12:36:00.000Z"></span>Is it about some overzealousness with honorifics? He's called "Lord John Russell" in like every other list article, and, in general, younger sons of dukes and marquesses are always referred to with the "Lord" in first references in wikipedia, and, indeed, in article titles. (See <a href="/wiki/Lord_George_Hamilton" title="Lord George Hamilton">Lord George Hamilton</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_Randolph_Churchill" title="Lord Randolph Churchill">Lord Randolph Churchill</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_Robert_Montagu" title="Lord Robert Montagu">Lord Robert Montagu</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_John_Cavendish" title="Lord John Cavendish">Lord John Cavendish</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_William_Bentinck" title="Lord William Bentinck">Lord William Bentinck</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_Frederick_Cavendish" title="Lord Frederick Cavendish">Lord Frederick Cavendish</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lord_Henry_Lennox" title="Lord Henry Lennox">Lord Henry Lennox</a>, etc.) Given that this is pretty universal Wikipedia practice, and that it's a good way to disambiguate people with reasonably common names, if MOS suggests otherwise it is MOS, which was certainly not considering this particular type of honorific when it banned their use, that must bow before actual usage (and this is not just actual usage on Wikipedia. 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I have <b>automatically detected</b> that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows: </p> <ul><li>On the <a href="/wiki/Mark_Davies_(Bishop_of_Shrewsbury)" title="Mark Davies (Bishop of Shrewsbury)">Mark Davies (Bishop of Shrewsbury)</a> page, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=749155948">your edit</a> caused an <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_with_citations_using_unnamed_parameters&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages with citations using unnamed parameters (page does not exist)">unnamed parameter error</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#Text_.22.3F.3F.3F.3F.22_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</small>. (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Davies_(Bishop_of_Shrewsbury)&action=edit&minor=minor&summary=Fixing+reference+error+raised+by+%5B%5BUser%3AReferenceBot%7CReferenceBot%5D%5D">Fix</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:ReferenceBot/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F749155948%7CMark%20Davies%20(Bishop%20of%20Shrewsbury)%5D%5D">Ask for help</a>)</li></ul> <p>Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a <a href="/wiki/False_positive" class="mw-redirect" title="False positive">false positive</a>, you can <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/RBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/RBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=ReferenceBot%20–%20{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}&section=new">report it to my operator</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:ReferenceBot" title="User:ReferenceBot">ReferenceBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReferenceBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ReferenceBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-ReferenceBot-2016-11-13T00:30:00.000Z-Reference_errors_on_12_November" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReferenceBot-2016-11-13T00:30:00.000Z-Reference_errors_on_12_November"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReferenceBot-2016-11-13T00:30:00.000Z-Reference_errors_on_12_November"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z"></span>User group: New Page Reviewr<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: User group: New Page Reviewr"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/80px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/120px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/160px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello DBD. </p><p>Based on the patrols you made of new pages during a qualifying period in 2016, your account has been added to the "<code>New page reviewers</code>" user group, allowing you to review new pages and mark them as <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edit" class="extiw" title="meta:Help:Patrolled edit">patrolled</a>, tag them for maintenance issues, or in some cases, tag them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">New Pages Feed</a>. </p><p> New page reviewing is a vital function for policing the quality of the encylopedia, if you have not already done so, you <b>must</b> read the new tutorial at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">New Pages Review</a>, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the various <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Deletion">deletion criteria</a>. If you need more help or wish to discuss the process, please join or start a thread at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers"><b>page reviewer talk</b></a>. </p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BITE">Be nice to new users</a> - they are often not aware of doing anything wrong.</li> <li>You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted - be formal and polite in your approach to them too, even if they are not.</li> <li>Don't review a page if you are not sure what to do. Just leave it for another reviewer.</li> <li>Remember that quality is quintessential to good patrolling. Take your time to patrol each article, there is no rush. Use the message feature and offer basic advice.</li></ul> <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In case of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, the right can be revoked at any time by an administrator. <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-19T01:34:00.000Z-User_group:_New_Page_Reviewr"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"><span id="ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2016">ArbCom Elections 2016</a>: Voting now open!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello, DBD. Voting in the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2016" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2016">2016 Arbitration Committee elections</a></b> is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBCOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBCOM">Arbitration Committee</a> is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration">Wikipedia arbitration process</a>. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAN">site bans</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic bans</a>, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">arbitration policy</a> describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. </p><p>If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2016/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2016/Candidates">the candidates' statements</a> and submit your choices on <b><a href="/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/399" title="Special:SecurePoll/vote/399">the voting page</a></b>. <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-21T22:08:00.000Z-ArbCom_Elections_2016:_Voting_now_open!"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Page_Review_-_newsletter" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z"></span>New Page Review - newsletter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: New Page Review - newsletter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border:2px solid #90C0FF; background:#F0F0FF; width:99%; padding:4px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter"></span> Hello DBD,<figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/120px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/180px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/240px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <dl><dt><big><b>Breaking the back of the backlog</b></big></dt></dl> We now have 803 New Page Reviewers! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog. Now it's time for action.<br/> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png/250px-NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png" decoding="async" width="250" height="213" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png/375px-NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png/500px-NPP_backlog_01_October_2016.png 2x" data-file-width="796" data-file-height="677"/></a><figcaption>Mid July to 01 Oct 2016</figcaption></figure> <p>If each reviewer does <b>only 10 reviews a day</b> over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing <b>only 2 or 3 reviews a day</b> - that's about 5 minutes work!<br/> Let's get that over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. </p> <dl><dt><big><b>Second set of eyes</b></big></dt></dl> <p>Not only are <i>New Page Reviewers</i> the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work. Read about it at the new <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Monitoring_the_system" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP"><b>Monitoring the system</b></a> section in the tutorial. </p> <dl><dt><big><b>Getting the tools we need</b> - 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey: Please vote</big></dt></dl> <p>With some tweaks to their look, and some additional features, <i>Page Curation</i> and <i>New Pages Feed</i> could easily be the best tools for patrollers and reviewers. We've listed most of what what we need at the 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey. <b>Voting starts on 28 November</b> - please turn out to make our bid the Foundation's top priority. Please help also by improving or commenting on our Wishlist entry at the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Categories/Moderation_tools#New_pages_Feed/Page_Curation" class="extiw" title="m:2016 Community Wishlist Survey/Categories/Moderation tools"><i><b>Community Wishlist Survey</b></i></a>. Many other important user suggestions are listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Suggested_improvements" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Suggested improvements">at Page Curation</a>. </p> <hr/> <p><small>Sent to all New Page Reviewers. Discuss this newsletter <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers">here</a>. If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list">the mailing list</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)</a> </small>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2016-11-26T09:15:00.000Z-New_Page_Review_-_newsletter"></span> </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi_D." data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi_D.-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi_D.-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z"></span>Hi D.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi_D.-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBD/Archive_30&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Hi D."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bashereyre-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z-Hi_D."></span>Been a busy year for me, saw you'd edited one of my few recent entries- yours t has spent very little time on WP in 2016 How are you? Basher<a href="/wiki/User:Bashereyre" title="User:Bashereyre">Bashereyre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bashereyre" title="User talk:Bashereyre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBD/Archive_30#c-Bashereyre-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z-Hi_D." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bashereyre-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z-Hi_D."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bashereyre-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z-Hi_D."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2016-11-27T13:04:00.000Z-Bashereyre-2016-11-27T09:29:00.000Z"></span>Hi Bash. Massively busy and very difficult term for me. 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