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Such read-aloud functionality may<br> vary from speaking a short title and summary, to speaking a few key sections of a page; in some cases, it may amount to speaking most non-visual content on the page. 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markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto">It seems like you're identifying the "key bits of the page", presumably as an initial view of it, a bit like<br> <code class="notranslate"><meta name="description" content="This is the most important page about speaking things"></code> but more directly oriented to consuming the content or interacting with it than to choosing between two or more pages.</p> <p dir="auto">I think that kind of summary has a fair bit of application beyond reading it out on a speech system. I like the model of being able to gather a <em>few different</em> pieces of the content together, but I'm wary of trying to tie it tightly to text-to-speech usage.</p> <p dir="auto">On the other hand, I am still thinking about this.</p> <p dir="auto">(The examples also seem to be a bit broken)</p> <p dir="auto"><a class="user-mention notranslate" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/LJWatson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/LJWatson">@LJWatson</a> ping?</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" name="authenticity_token" value="eUiEBkqK7lYpqeUOmFFYy3XumfXhzjPnIXgIADR8YXGt3h1aIgdJqQf85zOylZcBPX9WoJLuah6StKRvDWqKxw" autocomplete="off"/> <input type="hidden" name="input[subjectId]" value="MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDI4NDAzNjMzOQ=="> <input type="hidden" name="input[context]" value=""> <div class="js-comment-reactions-options d-flex flex-items-center flex-row flex-wrap"> <div class="js-reactions-container"> <details class="dropdown details-reset details-overlay d-inline-block js-all-reactions-popover" hidden> <summary aria-haspopup="true" data-view-component="true" class="Button--link Button--medium Button"> <span class="Button-content"> <span class="Button-label">All reactions</span> </span> </summary> <ul class="dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-se"> </ul> </details> </div> </div> </form></div> </div> </div> </div> </option></form><form class="js-comment-update" id="issuecomment-284036339-edit-form" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/284036339" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" data-csrf="true" name="authenticity_token" value="ABHF+W2YukP5+GU+o13VcrwpTBVDHJgX/gQBHg0/BUSN9Zmm45wIOBt2vrpNCsIFWRnBDVB4pPeVi7hfa+2AHQ=="/> <include-fragment loading="lazy" src="/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/284036339/edit_form?textarea_id=issuecomment-284036339-body&comment_context=" class="previewable-comment-form js-comment-edit-form-deferred-include-fragment"> <p class="text-center mt-3" data-hide-on-error> <svg aria-label="Loading..." style="box-sizing: content-box; 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When using a voice UI the interaction needs to be clutter free, or it becomes fairly horrible.</p> <p dir="auto">The only other use case for something like it, is those tools that strip out the visual clutter of pages for better readability. 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to the JSON-LD group, who are working on improvements to JSON-LD. The idea would be for the cross-domain parts of this to be specified as something a JSON-LD parser might do, i.e. as <a class="user-mention notranslate" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/chaals/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/chaals">@chaals</a> says, not "tie it tightly to text-to-speech usage". Within the purely schema.org world, at least the 'xpath' and 'cssSelector' properties have nothing binding them to text-to-speech; other definitions and usecases could easily reuse them.</p> <p dir="auto">(edit - here's the issue I mentioned) - <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="230732792" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/498" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/498/hovercard" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/498">json-ld/json-ld.org#498</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none"> 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href="#issuecomment-310260653" id="issuecomment-310260653-permalink" class="Link--secondary js-timestamp"><relative-time datetime="2017-06-22T02:48:43Z" class="no-wrap">Jun 22, 2017</relative-time></a> </div> </h3> </div> <div class="edit-comment-hide"> <task-lists disabled sortable> <table class="d-block user-select-contain" data-paste-markdown-skip> <tbody class="d-block"> <tr class="d-block"> <td class="d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto">I'm with Chaals regarding clarifying the goal. Is it about:</p> <ol dir="auto"> <li>Annotating the portions of a page that would be particularly appropriate for reading out loud because the publisher think they could be accurately rendered via TTS? This option mostly makes sense when publishers are TTS experts...</li> <li>Annotating which portions of a page would be worth reading out loud because the publisher think they are the most important information on the page? This option is more about marking up prominent information than speakable information...</li> <li>Providing an alternate, speakable, version of the most prominent information on the page?</li> </ol> <p dir="auto">Also, we should look into SSML if we want to go beyond annotating the speakable portions of a page:</p> <ul dir="auto"> <li>The <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/" rel="nofollow">Speech Synthesis Markup Language</a> is "designed to provide a rich, XML-based markup language for assisting the generation of synthetic speech in Web and other applications."</li> <li>SSML is supported by Amazon Alexa, Microsoft Cortana, and the Google Assistant.</li> </ul> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse 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Adding some new kind of HTML selector as a value in JSON-LD seems like mixing domain metaphors.</p> <p dir="auto">I don't think any existing examples contains both JSON-LD and RDFa, but this is feasible and well-supported by existing processors.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" name="authenticity_token" value="KtSs2df5XhlQcf6UMR47jWEFd8T5MiD3eganmU92ilL-QjWFv3T55n4k_Kkb2vRHKZS4kYoSeQ7Jygv2dmBh5A" autocomplete="off"/> <input type="hidden" name="input[subjectId]" value="MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDMxMjQ1NzY4MQ=="> <input type="hidden" name="input[context]" value=""> <div class="js-comment-reactions-options d-flex flex-items-center flex-row flex-wrap"> <div class="js-reactions-container"> <details class="dropdown details-reset details-overlay d-inline-block js-all-reactions-popover" hidden> <summary aria-haspopup="true" data-view-component="true" class="Button--link Button--medium Button"> <span class="Button-content"> <span class="Button-label">All reactions</span> </span> </summary> <ul class="dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-se"> </ul> </details> </div> </div> </form></div> </div> </div> </div> </option></form><form class="js-comment-update" id="issuecomment-312457681-edit-form" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/312457681" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" data-csrf="true" name="authenticity_token" value="RfmPFQZONeEvwzVoo5uJ/AW7Dpuj08OmEP2Pt9RFnM8c4AWJgN9l5aWxj6bpkOkDdctb/HsagVh2GJ55hF4UJg=="/> <include-fragment loading="lazy" src="/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/312457681/edit_form?textarea_id=issuecomment-312457681-body&comment_context=" class="previewable-comment-form js-comment-edit-form-deferred-include-fragment"> <p class="text-center mt-3" data-hide-on-error> <svg aria-label="Loading..." style="box-sizing: content-box; 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They are named with "*Type" to avoid the types having same spelling as the property.</pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="js-timeline-item js-timeline-progressive-focus-container" data-gid="MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDMyODY2MTk1NA=="> <div class="TimelineItem js-comment-container" data-gid="MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDMyODY2MTk1NA==" data-url="/web/20230321091739oe_/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/comments/MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDMyODY2MTk1NA==/partials/timeline_issue_comment"> <div class="avatar-parent-child TimelineItem-avatar d-none d-md-block"> <a class="d-inline-block" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/danbri/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/danbri"><img class="avatar rounded-2 avatar-user" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739im_/https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/170265?s=80&u=013152c09824833dde7e5e80496818fc30bd037a&v=4" 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<strong> <a class="author Link--primary text-bold css-overflow-wrap-anywhere " show_full_name="false" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/danbri/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/danbri">danbri</a> </strong> commented <a href="#issuecomment-328661954" id="issuecomment-328661954-permalink" class="Link--secondary js-timestamp"><relative-time datetime="2017-09-11T21:20:10Z" class="no-wrap">Sep 11, 2017</relative-time></a> </div> </h3> </div> <div class="edit-comment-hide"> <task-lists disabled sortable> <table class="d-block user-select-contain" data-paste-markdown-skip> <tbody class="d-block"> <tr class="d-block"> <td class="d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto">Some implementor feedback from Google: the "cssSelector" (and "xpath") property would be particularly useful on <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/http://schema.org/WebPageElement" rel="nofollow">http://schema.org/WebPageElement</a> to indicate the part(s) of a page matching the selector / xpath.</p> <p dir="auto">Note that this isn't "element" in some formal XML sense, and that the selector might match multiple XML/HTML elements if it is a CSS class selector.</p> <p dir="auto">I suggest adding WebPageElement as a type that these 2 properties are expected on.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" 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<div class="edit-comment-hide"> <task-lists disabled sortable> <table class="d-block user-select-contain" data-paste-markdown-skip> <tbody class="d-block"> <tr class="d-block"> <td class="d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto">Summary: I guess, WCAG guidelines and this 'speakable' proposal have different use cases and target audiences.</p> <p dir="auto">WCAG is about making the whole (main) content of a webpage accessible. The use case here is to serve the whole content to anyone, who <em>deliberately</em> visits a specific website.</p> <p dir="auto">Voice assistants, on the other hand, should keep their answer to a specific question brief - a short summary of the page topic could fit quite well, A typical use case is a search engine research, where users won't visit the website, but instead get an ecxerpt of the topic. Even more, users often do not know, where the excerpt is originating from (see example below).</p> <p dir="auto">An advisory from Amazon for Alexa responses: "Be brief"<br> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://developer.amazon.com/designing-for-voice/what-alexa-says/" rel="nofollow">https://developer.amazon.com/designing-for-voice/what-alexa-says/</a></p> <p dir="auto">And for Google: "Recommended: Less than 300 characters for each dialog turn."<br> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://developers.google.com/actions/assistant/responses" rel="nofollow">https://developers.google.com/actions/assistant/responses</a></p> <p dir="auto">If you. for example, ask Amazon Alexa "Alexa, who is Chuck Norris", it will read the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on Chuck Norris, without mentioning the origin. At the time of writing, the answer is "Carlos Ray 'Chuck' Norris (born March 10, 1940) is an American martial artist, actor, film producer and screenwriter." (English Wikipedia). It's not the whole article, which you would expect when using a screen reader.</p> <p dir="auto">Just my two cents ;-)<br> Alex.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container has-reactions flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-flex"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" name="authenticity_token" value="GBStMo3ZLnxBvZZOJEzMdKaX5OZRRwy6fTmpU8I8tIfMgjRu5VSJg2_olHMOiAO-7gYrsyJnVUPO9QU8-ypfMQ" autocomplete="off"/> <input type="hidden" name="input[subjectId]" value="MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDM1OTIwMDM1Mw=="> <input type="hidden" name="input[context]" value=""> <div class="js-comment-reactions-options d-flex flex-items-center flex-row flex-wrap"> <button disabled="disabled" name="input[content]" id="reactions--reaction_button_component-659c9a" value="THUMBS_UP react" data-button-index-position="0" data-reaction-label="+1" data-reaction-content="+1" aria-pressed="false" aria-label="react with thumbs up" type="submit" data-view-component="true" class="social-reaction-summary-item js-reaction-group-button js-optimistic-reaction-render-button btn-link d-flex no-underline color-fg-muted flex-items-baseline mr-2"> <g-emoji alias="+1" fallback-src="https://github.githubassets.com/images/icons/emoji/unicode/1f44d.png" class="social-button-emoji">👍</g-emoji> <span class="js-discussion-reaction-group-count">1</span> </button> <tool-tip id="tooltip-bceea16b-f8ae-40cb-82c4-e33a80f9a325" for="reactions--reaction_button_component-659c9a" data-direction="n" data-type="description" data-view-component="true" class="sr-only position-absolute">jvandriel reacted with thumbs up emoji</tool-tip> <div class="js-reactions-container"> <details class="dropdown details-reset details-overlay d-inline-block js-all-reactions-popover" hidden> <summary aria-haspopup="true" data-view-component="true" class="Button--link Button--medium Button"> <span class="Button-content"> <span class="Button-label">All reactions</span> </span> </summary> <ul class="dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-se"> <li class="dropdown-item" aria-label="jvandriel reacted with thumbs up emoji"> <g-emoji alias="+1" fallback-src="https://github.githubassets.com/images/icons/emoji/unicode/1f44d.png" class="social-button-emoji mr-2">👍</g-emoji> <span>1 reaction</span> </li> </ul> </details> </div> </div> </form></div> </div> </div> </div> </option></form><form class="js-comment-update" id="issuecomment-359200353-edit-form" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/359200353" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" data-csrf="true" name="authenticity_token" value="6PbbI4DsuxUueaphHqsCKbe1iI5qTJS7x+CxMJSHrlalMB02MLaXyad0bbi9Fj4ySfippGq84FRcbyqts9aG/A=="/> <include-fragment loading="lazy" src="/schemaorg/schemaorg/issue_comments/359200353/edit_form?textarea_id=issuecomment-359200353-body&comment_context=" class="previewable-comment-form js-comment-edit-form-deferred-include-fragment"> <p class="text-center mt-3" data-hide-on-error> <svg aria-label="Loading..." style="box-sizing: content-box; 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But for use cases like a 'title', there is the <em>name</em> property which could be used by speaking devices (or <em>headline</em> for creative works). And as for summaries, can't <em>description</em> be used for that? (which in most cases are less than 300 characters)</p> <p dir="auto">What about 'speakable' parts of an <code class="notranslate">Article</code>, do we actually expect publishers to markup individual <code class="notranslate"><section>, <p>, <div> and <span></code> elements? (when there also are properties like <em>articleBody</em> and <em>articleSection</em>) Will be real fun if the rest of the markup gets published in JSON-LD, can't wait to see how WYSIWYG text editors will cope with this (educated guess, they won't).</p> <p dir="auto">What about something like a short <code class="notranslate">Answer</code> (or <code class="notranslate">Question</code>, <code class="notranslate">Review</code> or any other form of user generated content for that matter), is it expected that both the <em>text</em> property and <code class="notranslate">speakable > SpeakebleSpecification</code> be provided? (which will more than likely contain exactly the same content)</p> <p dir="auto">And lastly, what about something like a <code class="notranslate">Product</code>? A <code class="notranslate"><meta name="description"></code> can now be ±300 chars in Google's organic search, which coincidentally is more or less the same amount of chars a marketer would provide Amazon for a product's description. I therefore expect that in a product's case the <code class="notranslate"><meta name="description"></code>, <em>description</em> and <code class="notranslate">speakable > SpeakebleSpecification</code> will all contain exactly the same content (as well as the descriptions provided (in other formats) to marketplaces and price comparison sites).</p> <p dir="auto">Really, I get the intention of the proposal but I don't expect much more to come of it than publishers duplicating the same content multiple times to be able to populate multiple properties (in different formats for different parties).</p> <p dir="auto">Now I've worked with some very large publishers in the past and can tell you that all hell breaks loose when authors have to start providing new/multiple titles and descriptions for the same article (or product) because different media require different character counts - simply because this costs time (=money) they don't have and therefore this isn't a trivial matter for them!</p> <p dir="auto">Meaning, I'm pretty sure authors (as well as business owners/stakeholders) won't be happy at all if they have to start providing 'speakable' descriptions (of a certain length) as well - especially if this also involves doing this for multiple sections of an article or web page.</p> <p dir="auto">And from a CMS perspective I don't expect much positives either as this will probably lead to authors having to fill out (many) more input fields in the CMS form of an article or a product's PIM system (or even worse, forcing authors having to start adding and managing CSS classes of elements for the cssSelectors - fun job for sites with (hundreds of) thousands of articles or products).</p> <p dir="auto">Apologies if I sound negative (especially because I do like the idea of being able to easily serve speaking devices) but I just don't see publishers handling this proposal very well mostly due to technical/resource constraints (which will lead to the duplication of content), as well as time constraints for (professional) authors (as they already have so many things to fill out).</p> <p dir="auto">Try looking at it from a business perspective, what's there to be gained by website owners after they've spend a ton of time and resources to make this happen? I understand the ROI for companies that produce speaking devices but what's the ROI for those implementing this proposal on their sites? Will this lead to users reading more articles or buying more products? If not, why would publishers bother to accommodate speaking devices? Typical questions businesses need answers to, and guess what happens if the answers aren't in their favor? Absolutely nothing as they'll see it as a waist of precious resources.</p> <p dir="auto">Can't this instead be resolved by having speaking devices simply use properties that already exist (and are being used by publishers)?</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" name="authenticity_token" value="W9dZ2_m2-9mTYZYTA8MItykLDI4kP5_JuMx8_jMkVYKPQcCHkTtcJr00lC4pB8d9YZrD21cfxjALANCRCjK-NA" autocomplete="off"/> <input type="hidden" name="input[subjectId]" 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markdown-body js-comment-body"> <blockquote> <p dir="auto">Meaning, I'm pretty sure authors (as well as business owners/stakeholders) won't be happy at all if they have to start providing 'speakable' descriptions (of a certain length) as well - especially if this also involves doing this for multiple sections of an article or web page.</p> </blockquote> <p dir="auto">Thanks <a class="user-mention notranslate" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/jvandriel/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/jvandriel">@jvandriel</a> for describing this larger concerns and I hear you. A few thoughts I'd like to offer:</p> <ul dir="auto"> <li> <p dir="auto">Many publishers will leverage <code class="notranslate">excerpt</code> for Social Media tailoring and RSS feeds already. I could see that being be pretty close to a speakable selection from a CMS side, allowing a X,XXX-long article to make sense in <300 words... I'm thinking of Google's Featured Snippets or the Wolfram Alpha powered knowledge answers in iOS's Siri.</p> </li> <li> <p dir="auto">I would be happy if I could better define what answer these platforms see, especially if I'm using this spec on a site with high domain authority and lots of relevant content for a structured data consumer (like the two already mentioned.)</p> </li> <li> <p dir="auto">I could see the <del><code class="notranslate">speakable</code></del> <code class="notranslate">speakableSelection</code> spec here allows for a user to better define, in limited terms, what the whole thing is about with less details and more summary, and could provide better context (just as meta descriptions or RSS excerpts already do) with a better focus on speakable-friendly vocabulary.</p> </li> </ul> <p dir="auto">Thoughts?</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions 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href="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/BigBlueHat">BigBlueHat</a> </strong> commented <a href="#issuecomment-394361649" id="issuecomment-394361649-permalink" class="Link--secondary js-timestamp"><relative-time datetime="2018-06-04T13:50:39Z" class="no-wrap">Jun 4, 2018</relative-time></a> </div> </h3> </div> <div class="edit-comment-hide"> <task-lists disabled sortable> <table class="d-block user-select-contain" data-paste-markdown-skip> <tbody class="d-block"> <tr class="d-block"> <td class="d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto">FWIW, the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#selectors" rel="nofollow">Web Annotation selectors</a> encoding might provide more future-proofing, flexibility, and potential re-use throughout Schema.org (i.e. new selection systems can be added without new properties)--though at the exchange of being a bit more verbose.</p> <p dir="auto">So <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/http://pending.schema.org/SpeakableSpecification#speakable-gen-381" rel="nofollow">example 1</a> for <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/http://pending.schema.org/SpeakableSpecification" rel="nofollow">SpeakableSpecification</a> might support both CSS Selectors and XPath's and fragment identifiers together to become:</p> <div class="highlight highlight-source-json notranslate position-relative overflow-auto" dir="auto" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content="{ "@context": "http://schema.org/", "@type": "WebPage", "name": "Jane Doe's homepage", "speakable": { "@type": "SpeakableSpecification", "selector": [ {"@type": "CssSelector", "@value": ".headline"}, {"@type": "XPathSelector", "@value": "//summary"}, {"@type": "FragmentSelector", "@value": "#speakable"} ] }, "url": "http://www.janedoe.com" }"><pre class="notranslate">{ <span class="pl-ent">"@context"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>http://schema.org/<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"@type"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>WebPage<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"name"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>Jane Doe's homepage<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"speakable"</span>: { <span class="pl-ent">"@type"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>SpeakableSpecification<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"selector"</span>: [ {<span class="pl-ent">"@type"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>CssSelector<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"@value"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>.headline<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>}, {<span class="pl-ent">"@type"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>XPathSelector<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"@value"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>//summary<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>}, {<span class="pl-ent">"@type"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>FragmentSelector<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-ent">"@value"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>#speakable<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>} ] }, <span class="pl-ent">"url"</span>: <span class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>http://www.janedoe.com<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span> }</pre></div> <p dir="auto">Essentially, the <code class="notranslate">WebPage</code> is the targeted resource and the <code class="notranslate">speakable</code> property would create the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/#resourceselection" rel="nofollow"><code class="notranslate">ResourceSelection</code></a> as a <code class="notranslate">SpeakableSpecification</code> (in this usage).</p> <p dir="auto">The <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-states/" rel="nofollow">Selectors and States</a> note focuses on this part of the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/" rel="nofollow">Web Annotation Data Model</a>.</p> <p dir="auto">I'd be happy to help with some mappings between the two, if there's interest.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container has-reactions flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-flex"> </option></form><form class="js-pick-reaction" data-turbo="false" action="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/reactions" accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" autocomplete="off"/><input type="hidden" 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Yet Google Home Smart Speaker is still finding and reading the markup. Does this not conflict with Google's Spam Guidelines?</p> <ol start="2" dir="auto"> <li>Does the markup need to be the exact same XPath/CSS Selector on both Desktop and AMP-HTML webpages?</li> </ol> <p dir="auto">According to Google's Guidelines found here: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7478053?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7478053?hl=en</a></p> <blockquote> <p dir="auto">Content mismatch "There is a difference in content between the AMP version and its canonical web page."</p> </blockquote> <p dir="auto">It suggests that Google's view is to have both the AMP-HTML/Mobile and the Desktop Versions of the website to have the exact same thing.</p> <p dir="auto">So would this same policy act on Google's Structured Data Policy meaning that we have to use the exact same XPath/CSS Selector Path/CSS Value when marking up both versions of the webpage.</p> <p dir="auto">For example:</p> <h3 dir="auto">Mobile Version:</h3> <div class="snippet-clipboard-content notranslate position-relative overflow-auto" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=" "speakable": { "@type": "SpeakableSpecification", "xpath": [ "/html/head/title", "/html/body/details/summary" ] }"><pre class="notranslate"><code class="notranslate"> "speakable": { "@type": "SpeakableSpecification", "xpath": [ "/html/head/title", "/html/body/details/summary" ] } </code></pre></div> <h3 dir="auto">Desktop Version:</h3> <div class="snippet-clipboard-content notranslate position-relative overflow-auto" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=" "speakable": { "@type": "SpeakableSpecification", "xpath": [ "/html/head/title", "/html/body/somethingelse/details/summary" ] }"><pre class="notranslate"><code class="notranslate"> "speakable": { "@type": "SpeakableSpecification", "xpath": [ "/html/head/title", "/html/body/somethingelse/details/summary" ] } </code></pre></div> <p dir="auto">Note: The different XPath's in the above examples codes.</p> <p dir="auto">p.s. 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I think that's what is happening here. Schema.org provides the underlying dictionary of terms, and Google says "here are some deployment patterns that we can work with". Everyone's policies and information needs are evolving, and it isn't feasible to attempt to track such things within Schema.org's definitions.</p> <p dir="auto">My understanding is that there is not reason to consider multiple speakable sections as intrinsically inappropriate. 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href="#ref-issue-356906842"> <relative-time datetime="2018-09-04T17:30:46Z" class="no-wrap">Sep 4, 2018</relative-time> </a> </div> <div class="mt-2 d-flex flex-items-start flex-column flex-md-row"> <div class="flex-auto wb-break-word" id="ref-issue-356906842"> <a href="/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/2053" class="Link--primary f4 text-bold markdown-title" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/2053/hovercard"> SpeakableSpecification markup is seeing adoption, we should progress it into Core <span class="color-fg-muted text-normal">#2053</span> </a> </div> <div class="flex-shrink-0 my-1 my-md-0 ml-md-3"> <span title="Status: Closed" data-view-component="true" class="State State--merged State--small d-flex flex-items-center"> <svg aria-hidden="true" height="12" viewbox="0 0 16 16" version="1.1" width="12" data-view-component="true" class="octicon octicon-issue-closed flex-items-center mr-1"> <path d="M11.28 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markdown-body js-comment-body"> <p dir="auto"><a class="user-mention notranslate" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/beltofte/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/https://github.com/beltofte">@beltofte</a>: FWIW, Google's Structured Data checker tool seems happy with the following (microdata) markup with 3 separate segments.</p> <div class="snippet-clipboard-content notranslate position-relative overflow-auto" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content="<span itemprop=speakable itemscope itemtype=http://schema.org/SpeakableSpecification><meta itemprop=xpath content="/html/head/meta[@property='og:title']/@content"><meta itemprop=xpath content="/html/head/meta[@property='og:description']/@content"></span><span itemprop=speakable itemscope itemtype=http://schema.org/SpeakableSpecification><meta itemprop=cssSelector content=.pgintro></span>"><pre class="notranslate"><code class="notranslate"><span itemprop=speakable itemscope itemtype=http://schema.org/SpeakableSpecification><meta itemprop=xpath content="/html/head/meta[@property='og:title']/@content"><meta itemprop=xpath content="/html/head/meta[@property='og:description']/@content"></span><span itemprop=speakable itemscope itemtype=http://schema.org/SpeakableSpecification><meta itemprop=cssSelector content=.pgintro></span> </code></pre></div> <p dir="auto">I have written up a bit more here:</p> <p dir="auto"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230321091739/http://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-site-technicals-19.html#Speakable" rel="nofollow">http://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-site-technicals-19.html#Speakable</a></p> <p dir="auto">Rgds</p> <p dir="auto">Damon</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </task-lists> <div class="d-flex"> <div class="pr-review-reactions"> <div data-view-component="true" class="comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container 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