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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97&action=edit&section=1" title="節を編集: 漢字は「表意文字」なのか"><span>編集</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u6f22\u5b57\u306f\u300c\u8868\u610f\u6587\u5b57\u300d\u306a\u306e\u304b","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>漢字が表意文字ってことになってますけど、漢字も、一字が一音(日本では一音以上)に対応しており、意味を表すだけの文字ではありません。漢詩が韻文であることはご存知でしょう。それと擬音や万葉仮名みたいな、全く音だけしか考慮していない場合もあるわけで、「表意文字」という概念では捉えられません。というわけで、今日では「表音文字」「表意文字」といった区分は避けられているようです。 </p><p>漢字などに対しては「表語文字 (logography ?)」という言い方もあるようです。--<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Fx" title="利用者:Fx">Fx</a> 09:08 2003年9月29日 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97#c-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z-文字の分類について" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2007年1月16日 (火) 06:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z-文字の分類について"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">返信</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z","author":"\u6b7b\u90ce","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u6b7b\u90ce-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z-\u6587\u5b57\u306e\u5206\u985e\u306b\u3064\u3044\u3066","replies":["c-Yumoriy-20240827083900-\u6b7b\u90ce-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z-文字の分類について"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yumoriy-20240827083900-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:Pictogram_voting_info.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Pictogram_voting_info.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_info.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Pictogram_voting_info.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_info.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Pictogram_voting_info.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_info.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span> <b>情報</b> <span style="font-size:95%">上記投稿で案内された《<i><a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A2%E3%83%96%E3%82%AE%E3%83%80#翻訳内容" title="ノート:アブギダ">ノート:アブギダ#翻訳内容</a></i>》での議論は、約1カ月後の<a href="/wiki/2007%E5%B9%B4" title="2007年">2007年</a>(平成19年)2月23日に当ノートページのサブページ《<i><a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97/%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E3%81%AE%E8%AD%B0%E8%AB%96_20070115-" title="ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-">ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-</a></i>》へ移設されました<small>(<a href="/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E5%B7%AE%E5%88%86/10841279" title="特別:差分/10841279">差分/10841279</a>・<a href="/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E5%B7%AE%E5%88%86/10841219" title="特別:差分/10841219">差分/10841219</a>)</small>。次節《<i><a href="#「文字」の改訂作業">#「文字」の改訂作業</a></i>》も参照。--<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Yumoriy" title="利用者:Yumoriy">Yumoriy</a>(<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85%E2%80%90%E4%BC%9A%E8%A9%B1:Yumoriy" title="利用者‐会話:Yumoriy">会話</a>) <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97#c-Yumoriy-20240827083900-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年8月27日 (火) 08:39 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yumoriy-20240827083900-死郎-2007-01-16T06:58:00.000Z"></span></span><span 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class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg/20px-Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg/30px-Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg/40px-Antu_mail-mark-notjunk.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Template:%E6%B8%88%E3%81%BF" title="Template:済み">済み</a></div><span style="font-size: 85%">2007-03-31に当記事「<a href="/wiki/%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97" title="文字">文字</a>」に改訂草稿が反映されました(<a href="/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E5%B7%AE%E5%88%86/11616513" title="特別:差分/11616513">特別:差分/11616513</a>)。《<i><a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97/%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E3%81%AE%E8%AD%B0%E8%AB%96_20070115-" title="ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-">ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-</a></i>》参照。--<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Yumoriy" title="利用者:Yumoriy">Yumoriy</a>(<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85%E2%80%90%E4%BC%9A%E8%A9%B1:Yumoriy" title="利用者‐会話:Yumoriy">会話</a>)</span></div> <p>上記の<a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A2%E3%83%96%E3%82%AE%E3%83%80" title="ノート:アブギダ">ノート:アブギダ</a>の議論からの派生で、当項目の改訂稿を作成中です。3月中ごろには現在の「文字」の内容と置換をめざしています。 </p><p>意見、加筆をください。 </p> <ul><li>改訂草稿: <a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97/%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E8%8D%89%E7%A8%BF" title="ノート:文字/改訂草稿">ノート:文字/改訂草稿</a></li> <li>改訂の議論ページ: <a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97/%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E3%81%AE%E8%AD%B0%E8%AB%96_20070115-" title="ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-">ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-</a></li></ul> <p>※最初に<a href="/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97/%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E3%81%AE%E8%AD%B0%E8%AB%96_20070115-" title="ノート:文字/改訂の議論 20070115-">改訂の議論ページ</a>をお読みください。 </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Hatukanezumi" title="利用者:Hatukanezumi">Hatukanezumi</a> <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97#c-Hatukanezumi-2007-02-23T10:33:00.000Z-「文字」の改訂作業" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2007年2月23日 (金) 10:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hatukanezumi-2007-02-23T10:33:00.000Z-「文字」の改訂作業"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">返信</a><span 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