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Strasburgo</td> <td class="doc_title" align="right" valign="top" bgcolor="#F5F5F5">Edizione provvisoria</td></tr></table><br /> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="doc_box_header" style="padding-bottom:5px"><tr valign="top"><td> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"><tr valign="top" style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;padding-top:5px"><td align="left" style="background-image:url(/doceo/data/img/gradient_blue.gif)" class="doc_title"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_title_doc.gif" width="8" height="14" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> 9. Il sistema della "carta nazionale" ungherese e le sue conseguenze per Schengen e lo spazio di libertà, sicurezza e giustizia (discussione)</td><td style="background-image:url(/doceo/data/img/gradient_blue.gif)" width="10"><table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><tr><td><a href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=chapter&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:39:32&playerEndTime=20240918-16:40:43" target="_blank"><img width="29" height="20" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_all_speakers_left.gif" border="0" /></a></td><td class="switch_button_pv_cre"><a href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=chapter&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:39:32&playerEndTime=20240918-16:40:43" target="_blank">Video degli interventi</a></td><td><a href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=chapter&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:39:32&playerEndTime=20240918-16:40:43" target="_blank"><img width="5" height="20" src="/doceo/data/img/switch_pv_cre_right.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td style="background-image:url(/doceo/data/img/gradient_blue.gif)" width="10"><table align="right" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a href="/doceo/document/PV-10-2024-09-18-ITM-009_IT.html"><img src="/doceo/data/img/switch_pv_cre_left.gif" width="22" height="20" border="0" alt="" /></a></td><td class="switch_button_pv_cre"><a href="/doceo/document/PV-10-2024-09-18-ITM-009_IT.html">Processo verbale</a></td><td><a href="/doceo/document/PV-10-2024-09-18-ITM-009_IT.html"><img src="/doceo/data/img/switch_pv_cre_right.gif" width="5" height="20" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405961"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197433.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:39:32&playerEndTime=20240918-14:39:58" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Die Präsidentin.</span></span> – Als nächster Punkt der Tagesordnung folgt die Aussprache über die Erklärungen des Rates und der Kommission zum ungarischen System der „Nationalen Karte“ und seinen Auswirkungen auf den Schengen-Raum und den Raum der Freiheit, der Sicherheit und des Rechts (<a href="https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?lang=fr&reference=2024/2800(RSP)">2024/2800(RSP)</a>).</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405962"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif" align="right" width="50" height="63" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:39:58&playerEndTime=20240918-14:42:19" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">János Bóka, </span></span> <span class="italic">President-in-Office of the Council</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madam President, honourable Members, Commissioner, now I stand before this House as a representative of the Council and not as a representative of Hungary. The issue of the Hungarian national card has not figured on the agenda of a Council meeting. The Council has not defined a position on it. I can therefore only express general comments, which are nevertheless relevant to defining the parameters for any debate on this issue.</p> <p class="contents">Like other Member States, Hungary offers several different types of residence permits to third-country nationals. One of these permits in Hungary is entitled 'national card'. As you know, the competence to establish the conditions for admission and legal residence in a Member State is shared between the European Union and its Member States.</p> <p class="contents">However, when granting entry and residence to any third-country nationals under any residence permit category, Member States remain bound by their obligations under EU law, including their duty of loyal cooperation and the need to carry out the necessary checks for entry into the Schengen Area.</p> <p class="contents">Allow me to emphasise that the right of any Member State to issue national residence and work permits that may offer some degree of procedural facilitation or other advantages to certain third-country nationals does not imply, as such, any infringement or circumvention of EU rules. As regards the security of the Schengen Area specifically, all checks under the relevant Schengen instruments will continue to be carried out.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405964"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif" align="right" width="50" height="63" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:42:26&playerEndTime=20240918-14:46:45" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Stella Kyriakides, </span></span> <span class="italic">Member of the Commission</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madam President, honourable Members, Russia is a threat to the European Union, and that is why today you put this issue on the agenda: Hungary's national card scheme, in particular its extension to Belarusian and Russian nationals.</p> <p class="contents">This scheme was introduced in January, as a type of residence permit first open only to Ukrainians and Serbs. In July, it was extended to citizens of Belarus, Russia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Moldova, Montenegro and North Macedonia. In short, it is now open, on the one hand, to six candidate Member States of the EU, and, on the other hand, to two states hostile to the European Union. That, of course, raises questions, especially because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, to protect our security, we have been making it harder, not easier, for Russian nationals to enter the European Union.</p> <p class="contents">We suspended visa facilitation with Russia. We issued guidelines to Member States for stricter visa rules and intensive additional scrutiny of Russian nationals at the EU borders. Visas for Russian citizens have dropped by nearly 90 %. We are now currently looking into the implementation by Member States of these guidelines to see if we need further action. We were right to introduce stringent measures, and this is demonstrated by the increasing reports of suspected Russian espionage and sabotage from many Member States.</p> <p class="contents">The exchange this summer of Russian spies and criminals for dissidents and Western journalists illustrates how far Russia is willing to go to infiltrate us. The most striking case: a couple who had been living undercover as sleeper agents. In recent weeks, national intelligence services (Swedish, Norwegian) have warned that the risk of Russian sabotage is on the rise. At a time like this, making it easier for citizens of two hostile states to enter the EU raises serious questions.</p> <p class="contents">That's why Commissioner Johansson asked Hungary for an explanation. On 1 August, she sent her first letter to the Hungarian Minister of the Interior, reminding Hungary of the need for enhanced scrutiny and vigilance regarding Russian nationals and asking a series of questions. We received a reply on 21 August and two key questions remain.</p> <p class="contents">First, why does the Hungarian Government consider it necessary or appropriate to give Russians easy access to the EU in the current political situation? Why can these workers not be found in the EU or through partnership with other cooperative third countries? Second, it appears that the checks on Russian citizens are no different than those for other nationalities, despite the increased risk. It's unclear how the additional security risks posed by Russian citizens are taken into account when assessing their application for the national cards.</p> <p class="contents">Two weeks ago, the Commissioner sent a second letter to the Hungarian authorities to ask precisely this question. Last week, Commissioner Johansson and the Hungarian Minister of the Interior spoke about this issue, and he provided some clarifications. The Commission is now waiting for the written explanations.</p> <p class="contents">Honourable Members, Belarus and Russia threaten the security of the EU: instrumentalisation of migrants, disinformation, infiltration, sabotage and espionage. So I thank you for putting this important topic on the agenda today, and I am very much looking forward to this debate.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405966"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197402.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:46:52&playerEndTime=20240918-14:48:57" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Tomas Tobé, </span></span> <span class="italic">on behalf of the PPE Group</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madam President, Commissioner, Minister, Russia and Belarus pose a serious threat to our European security. They are hostile state actors responsible for countless hybrid attacks, and the only aim is to destabilise and undermine the security of Europe. And of course, we have the awful and horrific war of aggression against Ukraine from Russia.</p> <p class="contents">Against this background, it is deeply concerning and unacceptable that the Hungarian Government has decided to extend the national card scheme to Russian and Belarusian citizens. I must say that it fits very well into the patterns that we have seen from the Hungarian Government. Even the former Trump administration limited their visa-waiver programme due to security reasons against Hungary. That says a lot, I would say.</p> <p class="contents">In the presidency from the Hungarian Government, it is made clear that the objective is to strengthen the security of the European Union and the citizens. And I must say I support that. But that must also lead that you actually act in that way. And I think it is clear for the Hungarian citizens' security, for Europeans' security, that we make sure that we defend our interests, not the interests of Russia.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405968"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257053.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:49:02&playerEndTime=20240918-14:52:07" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ana Catarina Mendes, </span></span> <span class="italic">em nome do Grupo S&D</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Senhora Presidente, Senhora Comissária, Senhor Representante do Conselho, julgo que o momento é particularmente difícil. E é particularmente difícil porque ainda vivemos a invasão do território da Ucrânia por parte da Rússia.</p> <p class="contents">Por conseguinte, neste quadro, a recente decisão das autoridades húngaras de facilitação do acesso da Rússia e da Bielorrússia ao espaço Schengen, imediatamente após a visita do primeiro-ministro Viktor Orbán a Moscovo, é perigosa, preocupante e contraria os princípios de cooperação a que todos os Estados-Membros da União Europeia estão obrigados.</p> <p class="contents">Há mais de dez anos, assistimos, com alguma perplexidade aos atropelos que a Hungria tem vindo a fazer ao Estado de direito e ao respeito pelos direitos humanos. A decisão de facilitação de vistos que é apresentada, quando, em paralelo, as autoridades húngaras decidiram retirar o direito à habitação a refugiados ucranianos, não deixa de ser extraordinária e difícil de compreender. É verdadeiramente um claro exemplo de profunda falta de humanismo e de solidariedade.</p> <p class="contents">Mas, no que ao «cartão nacional» da Hungria diz respeito, bem como à simplificação dos procedimentos para a obtenção de vistos para «trabalhadores convidados» vindos da Rússia e da Bielorrússia, devemos atentar nas palavras da comissária Johansson, mas também naquilo que foi, agora mesmo, aqui dito: «A Rússia é uma ameaça à segurança. Precisamos de mais e não de menos vigilância. Permitir que os potenciais espiões ou sabotadores russos tenham acesso [livre] ao espaço da União Europeia compromet[e] a segurança de todos nós.»</p> <p class="contents">É disto que estamos a falar e é esta a explicação que o governo húngaro deve dar. O seu «cartão nacional» pode pôr em causa o quadro coletivo vigente desde a invasão da Ucrânia, com a suspensão, no verão de 2022, do acordo sobre a facilitação da emissão de vistos com a Rússia e a intensificação do controlo de futuros pedidos.</p> <p class="contents">Gostaria, assim, Caros Colegas, Senhora Presidente, Senhora Representante da Comissão, de instar o próximo colégio de comissários a prosseguir os esforços da comissária Johansson, que ainda a semana passada garantiu – e ainda hoje ouvimos esta garantia – que a Comissão continuará a avaliar, de muito perto, o comportamento da Hungria neste âmbito e a aplicar medidas que garantam a segurança da União Europeia e de todos os seus cidadãos.</p> <p class="contents">Não é fácil este debate porque não devemos tomar um Estado-Membro como um todo. Mas as atitudes e as decisões de um governo, que podem pôr em causa a segurança da União Europeia, merecem a atenção deste plenário.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405970"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256860.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:52:12&playerEndTime=20240918-14:54:47" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">András László, </span></span> <span class="italic">on behalf of the PfE Group</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madam President, dear colleagues, there are some people in this House who always point the finger at Hungary. The same applies when it comes to visas issued to Russian citizens. But I'll let the facts speak for themselves.</p> <p class="contents">In 2021, before the war in Ukraine began, EU countries issued 536 241 visas to Russian citizens. In 2022, the year the war began, EU countries issued 687 239 visas to Russian citizens. That's 150 000 more visas into the Schengen zone.</p> <p class="contents">Do you know how many debates the European Parliament held about this? Zero. In 2023, France issued 99 517 visas to Russian citizens. Do you know how many debates were held in the European Parliament? Zero. In 2023, Spain issued 92 414 visas to Russian citizens. Do you know how many debates there were in the European Parliament? Zero. In 2023, Greece issued 54 289 visas to Russian citizens. Do you know how many debates there were in the European Parliament? Zero.</p> <p class="contents">On 1 January 2023, there were 711 035 Russian citizens legally residing in the European Union. Of those, 259 517 in Germany. Out of those more than 700 000 Russians in the EU, do you know how many reside in Hungary? Anyone? No? Less than 1% – less than 1%! In the national card scheme in July, Hungary issued a total of five permits to Russian citizens. In August? Five permits. And yet, this is already the second time we're debating this on the European Parliament's agenda – first in the LIBE Committee, now here in the plenary. These are the facts. I'll let you draw the conclusions.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405972"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257052.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:54:53&playerEndTime=20240918-14:57:47" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Maciej Wąsik, </span></span> <span class="italic">w imieniu grupy ECR</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Pani Przewodnicząca! Szanowni Państwo! Nie ulega wątpliwości, że należy z całą mocą sprzeciwić się wszelkim ułatwieniom wjazdu obywateli Federacji Rosyjskiej do Unii Europejskiej. Nie popieramy tych rozwiązań ani na poziomie krajów członkowskich, ani na poziomie Komisji Europejskiej. Dlatego nie zgadzamy się także, aby Komisja Europejska wprowadzała jakiekolwiek ułatwienia dla Rosjan. A tak należy traktować projektowane przepisy kodeksu wizowego, które znoszą wymóg okazywania książeczek wojskowych dla Rosjan ubiegających się o wizę Schengen. Książeczki wojskowe w Rosji to niezwykle istotne dokumenty. Na ich podstawie nasze służby mogą identyfikować, czy ubiegający się o wizę nie ma w swoim dossier służby w armii Putina. Nikt z nas chyba nie życzy sobie, żeby Unia Europejska gościła morderców z Buczy czy z Irpienia albo weteranów grupy Wagnera odpowiedzialnych za mordy w Mali czy w Syrii.</p> <p class="contents">Nie widzicie potwornej sprzeczności w tym, że Parlament Europejski krytykuje Węgrów za politykę wizową, a w tym samym czasie Komisja Europejska przygotowuje ułatwienia wizowe dla Rosjan, w tym także morderców ludności cywilnej? Ze zdumieniem przyjmuję te rozwiązania, zarówno węgierskie, jak i Komisji Europejskiej. I apeluję: wycofajcie się z nich. Nie wolno nam traktować Rosjan, Rosji i Putina w pobłażliwy sposób. Rosja Putina niestety przy wsparciu większości społeczeństwa rosyjskiego rozpętała krwawą wojnę z Ukrainą, największą wojnę w Europie od 1945 r. Rosja celowo destabilizuje granice zewnętrzne Unii Europejskiej, prowadzi na co dzień wojnę hybrydową z Polską, Litwą, Łotwą czy Finlandią. Wysyła do Europy dziesiątki tysięcy nielegalnych migrantów, dokonuje codziennych cyberataków na państwa europejskie, dopuszcza się licznych aktów sabotażu.</p> <p class="contents">Dlatego niezbędne jest nie łagodzenie, ale zaostrzenie polityki sankcyjnej Unii Europejskiej wobec Rosji w każdym wymiarze, także wizowym. Rosja Putina musi być poddana bezwzględnej izolacji. Może wówczas Rosjanie zrozumieją, że należy skończyć z Putinem i polityką mocarstwową.</p> <p class="contents">I jeszcze jedna refleksja. Musimy sobie zdać sprawę, że na tej sali znajduje się wiele osób, dzięki którym Putin mógł zaatakować Ukrainę. To ci, którzy zapewniali Putinowi finansową kroplówkę. To ci, którzy pozwolili Putinowi na prowadzenie polityki szantażu energetycznego. To ci, którzy udawali, że nie widzą, jak Rosja Putina za pieniądze z paliw kopalnych buduje swoją agresywną mocarstwowość. To ci, którzy wbrew interesom całej Europy forsowali budowę Nord Stream. Mówię to głównie do posłów z Niemiec i ich przyjaciół politycznych. Posypcie sobie głowy popiołem. Krew ginących i mordowanych w Ukrainie obciąża także wasze sumienia.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405974"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/22858.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:57:52&playerEndTime=20240918-14:59:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Fabienne Keller, </span></span> <span class="italic">au nom du groupe Renew</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madame la Présidente, Madame la Commissaire, Monsieur le Ministre, le 5 juillet dernier, lorsqu'il s'est rendu à Moscou, le Premier ministre Viktor Orban n'est pas allé en prétendue mission de paix. Il a déroulé le tapis rouge à Poutine et ouvert grand les portes de l'Union européenne à un pays ennemi. Cette carte nationale permet à un nombre illimité de ressortissants russes d'entrer en Hongrie. C'est en totale contradiction, Monsieur le Ministre, avec la politique de l'Union européenne depuis le début de la guerre d'agression de la Russie en Ukraine.</p> <p class="contents">Depuis 2022, nous avons gelé la facilitation aux visas russes, nous avons durci les conditions d'octroi de visas aux ressortissants russes et nous avons renforcé les contrôles aux frontières. Ce n'est pas qu'une décision solitaire d'un dictateur isolé. C'est un enjeu de sécurité intérieure majeur pour tous les citoyens européens.</p> <p class="contents">Votre collègue, Mme la commissaire Ylva Johansson, a réalisé plusieurs actions depuis l'été pour obtenir des clarifications et des garanties de la part du gouvernement hongrois, sans réponse crédible à ce stade, toutefois. J'appelle donc la Commission et les États membres à envisager la suspension temporaire du statut de membre de Schengen de la Hongrie, tel que cela est prévu à l'article 29 du code Schengen. Agissons avec force contre cette menace à notre sécurité commune.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405976"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197772.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-14:59:44&playerEndTime=20240918-15:02:52" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Tineke Strik, </span></span> <span class="italic">on behalf of the Verts/ALE Group</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Madam President, Council, Commissioner – maybe for the last time, who knows? – Orbán made it very clear where his true alliances lie when he extended Hungary's national card scheme to Russian and Belarusian citizens shortly after his controversial mission to Moscow. Of course, this falls under the national competences of the Member States, and a ban on certain nationalities would be discriminatory and run counter to the Treaties. But in the current geopolitical context, with Orbán's close relationship to Putin, this decree is far from innocent: it is a provocation and yet another blatant example of Orbán favouring his ties with Russia over sincere cooperation with the EU and with the Member States. So in any case, at least it's key that the Commission insist on thorough security checks.</p> <p class="contents">But in all fairness, the EU cannot pretend to be surprised by this. For so long, the EU has shown far too little teeth in response to Orbán's all-out destruction of the rule of law. The Commission has been hesitant in launching legal actions and has prematurely unfrozen funding. The Article 7procedure has withered in the Council, and we have let this crisis fester and fester, weakening the core strength of the EU, namely its common values. To the extent that now, the external security threat is infiltrating our own community.</p> <p class="contents">How much more existential does the threat of Hungary's rule of law crisis need to be before we say 'enough is enough'? I would say enough alarm bells have rung now, and the national card scheme is certainly not the only provocative decree adopted by Hungary. Right after his visit to Kiev, Orbán decided to revoke the housing rights of Ukrainian refugees from so-called 'non-fighting areas', including families with children. They have been evicted this summer, left out on the street in blatant violation of the Temporary Protection Directive.</p> <p class="contents">And yet the Commission has remained completely silent on this. The EU has solemnly vowed to stand with Ukraine and with its citizens. Where is that solidarity now? What message are we sending to Ukrainian refugees, to the world and also to the other Member States if we let this slide? So I urge the Commission to immediately act against this violation and to uphold the harmonised protection standards. We must treasure and defend unanimous solidarity and support of the EU for Ukrainian refugees. We must put our money where our mouth is.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405978"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/2268.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:02:57&playerEndTime=20240918-15:05:38" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Jonas Sjöstedt, </span></span> <span class="italic">för The Left gruppen</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Fru talman! Ämnet för diskussionen är det ungerska nationella kortet. Ytterligare en provokation från Viktor Orbán. Ytterligare ett bevis på att Ungern aldrig skulle fått bli ordförande i EU:s ministerråd. Ungern förenklar för inresa och boende för belarusiska och ryska medborgare i den Europeiska unionen.</p> <p class="contents">Det samtidigt som Rysslands fruktansvärda och olagliga invasion av Ukraina pågår med full kraft. Vi vet, det är väl belagt, att Ryssland bedrivit omfattande spionage i ett flertal EU-länder och att det finns konkreta risker för sabotage. Ryssland underblåser destabiliseringskampanjer, politiska konflikter och sprider lögner. Detta har gjort att ett flertal EU-länder har valt att utvisa ett stort antal ryska diplomater, på goda grunder. Det har inte Ungern gjort. De öppnar istället bakdörren in i den Europeiska unionen.</p> <p class="contents">Förutom det direkt olämpliga i detta hotar det också den fria rörligheten inom Schengenområdet. Det här leder oundvikligen till en diskussion om att frysa Schengenavtalet för Ungern. Viktor Orbán framstår alltmer som Putins trojanska häst i den Europeiska unionen. Han fördröjer stödet till Ukraina, fortsätter importera gas som finansierar det ryska anfallskriget. Han besöker krigsbrottslingen på plats i Moskva när krigsbrottslingen borde sitta i fängelse.</p> <p class="contents">Samtidigt ser vi hur rättsstaten har urholkats i Ungern. Man uppfyller inte längre kraven på en väl fungerande demokrati. Fru talman! Det är dags att använda de verktyg som finns i artikel sju. Dags att frysa allt ekonomiskt stöd till Ungern. Dags att dra in Ungerns rösträtt i ministerrådet och sätta press på landet. Det får vara nog med provokationer.</p> <p class="contents">Orbán har gjort det till en del av sin politiska repertoar och säger att ekonomiska migranter hotar säkerheten. Det är oftast varit fel, men nu är det rätt. De här ekonomiska migranterna hotar EU:s säkerhet.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405980"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257457.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:05:43&playerEndTime=20240918-15:07:39" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Zsuzsanna Borvendég, </span></span> <span class="italic">a ESN képviselőcsoport nevében</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Elnök Asszony! Hungaria est semper libera, Magyarország örökké szabad. Ez történeti alkotmányosságunk legfőbb elve már több mint 1100 éve, és elvárjuk, hogy függetlenségünket, törvényeinket és szokásainkat mindenki tiszteletben tartsa. Ne várják tőlünk, hogy ezt feladjuk! Mióta jobboldali kormányzás van Magyarországon, az Unió vezetése folyamatosan támad minket, ahelyett, hogy megvédenék az európai polgárokat. Sőt, azt büntetik, aki így tesz. Jól értem, hogy a Bizottság biztonsági kockázatok miatt kritizálja a magyar kormány nemzeti kártya programját? Ez elképesztően álszent magatartás. Erre semmi joguk sincs, hiszen évek óta milliószámra engedik be az illegális migránsokat Európába, mindenféle ellenőrzés nélkül. Az Önök őrült és felelőtlen árulása miatt európaiak ezrei haltak már meg, vagy lettek bűncselekmények áldozatai. Hazámat pedig büntetik, mert védi a saját és az Unió határait.</p> <p class="contents">Az uniós Kék Kártya Program sokkal több lehetőséget ad az EU-n kívülről érkező munkavállalóknak, mint a magyar nemzeti kártya. Durva ez a kettős mérce. Az orosz kémek beszivárgására hivatkozni nevetséges, hiszen a titkosszolgálatok működésének kutatójaként biztosíthatom önöket, hogy az orosz kémek nem a magyar nemzeti kártyával fognak behatolni, ahogy annak idején a cambridge-i ötök sem szovjet állampolgárok voltak. Nekünk, magyaroknak lehet problémánk ezzel a szabályozással, van is, de ezt a vitát majd lefolytatjuk odahaza. Szálljanak már le rólunk, és inkább fizessék ki azt a 2 milliárd eurót, amennyibe eddig a magyar és az uniós határ védelme került, valamint azonnali hatállyal szabadítsák fel a hazámnak járó pénzügyi forrásokat!</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405982"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/99945.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:07:48&playerEndTime=20240918-15:09:39" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Lena Düpont (PPE).</span></span> – Madam President, Madam Commissioner, representatives of the Council, colleagues, I think it's reasonable to set the scene for today's debate. Russia launched a brutal war of aggression against a sovereign country, targeting civilians with bombs, attacking critical infrastructure on a day-to-day basis. Both inside and outside the European Union, we see hybrid warfare being displayed, aggressing our very own citizens and resilience.</p> <p class="contents">In the last month only, we witnessed numerous incidents of sabotage across Europe, followed the Russian shadow fleet on the way around critical maritime infrastructure, and detected highly sophisticated social media campaigns, fuelling populism and radicalisation. Why is it of importance for today's debate?</p> <p class="contents">Because the Hungarian Presidency itself and its programmes have to work on a secure Europe ready to defend itself, which somehow in declaration is a stark contrast to the latest initiative. Because the scheme in question was launched, coincidentally, shortly after the government paid a high-level visit to Russia.</p> <p class="contents">Because helping Russian and Belarusian citizens entering the European Union on the basis of a work visa is not exactly what I would understand as a common understanding of security – especially not if you somehow don't ask for enhanced security checks reflecting the geopolitical situation, but only for minimalistic checks upon arrival. Or if you argue that you all of a sudden need a large work force, a large number of workers with very specific qualifications, but don't justify a quota or set specific skill requirements to be fulfilled.</p> <p class="contents">So indeed, I would really like not only the Commission to further assess the security risks deriving from that scheme but would also ask the Council to further deploy possibilities to react.</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(The speaker agreed to take several blue-card questions)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405985"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257120.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:09:55&playerEndTime=20240918-15:10:37" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Diana Iovanovici Şoşoacă (NI), </span></span> <span class="italic">întrebare adresată conform procedurii „cartonașului albastru”</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Vorbiți de acești cetățeni ai Belarusului și ai Rusiei de parcă ar fi fost declarați vreodată <span class="italic">persona non grata</span> în Europa sau cetățeni indezirabili. Până la acest moment văd că dumneavoastră confundați guvernul cu tot ceea ce înseamnă cetățenii acestor state. Vreau să vă întreb: nu vă interesează securitatea granițelor atunci când ucrainenii, care nu sunt opriți absolut deloc și pot să calce, să bea la volan - așa cum se întâmplă în România - și omoară oameni pe străzi, și nu li se controlează niciunul dintre transporturi, asta nu vă interesează când e vorba de securitatea Europei ...</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(Președinta a retras cuvântul vorbitoarei)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405986"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197433.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:10:37&playerEndTime=20240918-15:10:46" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">President.</span></span> – This is meant for asking questions, the blue card. I didn't hear any.</p> <p class="contents">Möchten Sie trotzdem erwidern, Frau Düpont?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405987"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/99945.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:10:48&playerEndTime=20240918-15:11:07" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Lena Düpont (PPE), </span></span> <span class="italic">Antwort auf eine Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Insofern vielen Dank für die Nichtfrage in dem Kontext. Aber sehr wohl habe ich darauf hingewiesen, dass man Möglichkeiten schaffen kann, dann aber die Sicherheitsüberprüfung hochfahren muss, wie das im Übrigen auch einige andere Mitgliedstaaten der Europäischen Union gemacht haben; insofern ist das kein Widerspruch.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405989"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256860.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:11:24&playerEndTime=20240918-15:12:17" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">András László (PfE), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card question</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Colleagues, we haven't heard a single number – only concerns and accusations. I put a number out there in my speech: 259 517 Russian citizens residing in Germany. What do you think about that regarding your concern? You put this on the agenda of the LIBE Committee a few weeks ago, you cited no numbers. All the colleagues who spoke against Hungary cited no numbers. The Commissioner cited no numbers. So why are you scared about five plus five permits and not comment on the 259 517 Russian citizens in Germany?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405990"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/99945.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:12:14&playerEndTime=20240918-15:12:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Lena Düpont (PPE), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card answer</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Well, then, dear colleague, allow me to draft a question back. If it's only about five requests, then why is there a need for a special scheme card here. So all about security checks and making sure that we know who is at the front of the European Union. That's all about.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405992"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197800.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:12:52&playerEndTime=20240918-15:15:11" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Eero Heinäluoma (S&D).</span></span> – Arvoisa puhemies, Unkarin hallituksen muista EU-maista ja niiden turvallisuudesta selvästi piittaamaton toiminta on yksi uusi linkki lisääntyvään huoleen siitä, mitä meille tärkeässä maassa, Unkarissa, on tapahtumassa. Oikeusvaltiorikkomukset näyttävät jatkuvan, unionin ulkopoliittisia päätöksiä estetään, Ukrainan tukemista vaikeutetaan ja nyt viimeisimpänä Venäjän ja Valko-Venäjän kansalaisille suunnatut nopeat Schengen-viisumit. Tämä tapahtuu samalla, kun Venäjä jatkaa hyökkäyssotaansa Ukrainassa, kohdistaa unionin jäsenmaita kohtaan hybridioperaatioita, kuten olemme myös EU:n itärajalla nähneet.</p> <p class="contents">Vapaa liikkuvuus on suuria eurooppalaisen yhteistyön saavutuksia. Se hyödyttää päivittäin satojatuhansia, miljoonia kansalaisia ja myös eurooppalaista yritystoimintaa. Mutta vapaa liikkuvuus edellyttää myös yhteisiä sääntöjä, sääntöjä, joiden noudattamisesta jokainen jäsenmaa vastaa ja joista yhteinen turvallisuutemme syntyy.</p> <p class="contents">Tosiasia on, ettei Unkarin hallitus ole uusia viisumilinjauksia tehdessään ottanut huomioon EU:n yhteisiä turvallisuusintressejä. Tämän vuoden moniin kummallisiin tapahtumiin liittyy epäilys venäläisestä vaikuttamisesta ja järjestäytyneiden yhteiskuntien horjuttamisesta. On murtautumisia tärkeiden kohteiden lähelle, droonilennätyksiä ja suoranaisia väkivallantekoja.</p> <p class="contents">Riskit eivät siis ole vähentyneet vaan lisääntyneet. Siksi ydinkysymys on, että Unkarin täytyy tehdä turvallisuusarviot myöntäessään viisumeita. Ei kysymys ole lukumääristä, vaan siitä, että riskit arvioidaan ja muut jäsenmaat voivat luottaa siihen, että Unkarin kautta tulevat kansalaiset ovat tarkistettuja eivätkä muodosta uhkaa muiden EU-maiden kansalaisille.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405994"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256872.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:15:16&playerEndTime=20240918-15:18:11" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Fabrice Leggeri (PfE).</span></span> – Madame la Présidente, Madame la Commissaire, le permis de séjour et de travail mis en place par la Hongrie pour attirer la main-d'œuvre étrangère de l'extérieur de l'Union européenne suscite un débat aujourd'hui. Or, ce débat montre la duplicité de la Commission européenne et de certains groupes politiques lorsqu'on parle de l'immigration et de la sécurité des frontières extérieures de l'espace Schengen.</p> <p class="contents">En commission parlementaire LIBE, il y a quelques jours, la Commission a admis que le système hongrois était techniquement conforme au droit de l'Union européenne et dans ce contexte, Mme la commissaire Ylva Johansson a répété plusieurs fois que la question, pour elle, était celle de la confiance que l'on pouvait accorder ou non aux autorités hongroises. Cette question de la confiance est éminemment politique.</p> <p class="contents">Alors je la retourne à la Commission pour savoir si nous pouvons lui faire confiance. Pendant des années, la Commission de Mme von der Leyen et Mme Johansson nous ont expliqué avec la gauche, le centre et leurs amis des ONG, que les migrants qui franchissent illégalement les frontières extérieures de l'Union européenne ne doivent pas être empêchés de poser le pied sur notre territoire, alors même qu'en agissant ainsi, ces migrants violent la loi européenne. Le fait d'empêcher les migrants de violer les frontières de l'Union européenne constituait, selon Mme Johansson et ses amis politiques, je cite, des «push back». Des centaines de milliers de migrants sont entrés chaque année illégalement en Europe durant les cinq dernières années à cause de votre idéologie qui veut nous faire croire, je cite les amis de certaines ONG, que «les migrants ont un droit inconditionnel à poser le pied en Europe».</p> <p class="contents">Cette idéologie, votre idéologie à la Commission européenne, menace la sécurité des Européens car ces franchissements illégaux laissent entrer des migrants trop souvent impliqués dans des actes criminels et parfois, hélas, impliqués dans des actes terroristes contre nos citoyens. Alors je pose la question: qui a préféré faire prévaloir l'intérêt des clandestins contre l'intérêt des Européens et contre la sécurité nationale de nos États? C'est la Commission de Mme von der Leyen et Mme la commissaire Johansson. D'ailleurs, elle l'a reconnu le jour de l'adoption du pacte sur l'asile et la migration en déclarant que c'était une victoire pour les migrants. Mais les Européens ont désavoué dans les urnes votre politique de soutien aux migrants clandestins.</p> <p class="contents">Alors non, nous ne pouvons pas faire confiance à la Commission von der Leyen sortante et non, nous ne pouvons pas davantage faire confiance à la nouvelle Commission von der Leyen qui arrive. Les accusations contre le permis de séjour et de travail hongrois sont un écran de fumée pour faire oublier que le pacte sur l'asile et la migration nuit gravement à l'identité et à la sécurité des Français et des Européens en général.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405996"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256806.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:18:18&playerEndTime=20240918-15:19:37" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Sebastian Tynkkynen (ECR).</span></span> – Madam President, whether acknowledged by them or not, the national card scheme presented by the Hungarian Government poses a severe security threat to Europe.</p> <p class="contents">In late June, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Austrian capital, Vienna, had become a hub for Russian espionage in Europe. Mr Orbán should not be so naive to assume that his friendly relations with President Putin will not result in Russia trying to use this visa scheme to make Budapest just another Vienna. Mr Orbán's initiative is on track to let the Russians establish another beachhead for its extensive espionage operations right in the middle of Europe.</p> <p class="contents">Good intentions or not, Mr Orbán, I think you should strictly reconsider this very dangerous policy. If not, other European countries will unfortunately have to start vetting the people coming from Hungary with extreme prejudice.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001405998"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197781.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:19:40&playerEndTime=20240918-15:20:57" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Malik Azmani (Renew).</span></span> – Voorzitter, commissaris, minister, collega’s, Orbán speelt met de veiligheid van Europa.</p> <p class="contents">Hongarije verleent werkvisa aan Russen en Wit-Russen. Dit geeft hen vrije toegang tot ons grondgebied. Orbán zet hiermee de deur wagenwijd open voor Russische spionnen. Hij geeft Poetin een oorlogswapen en dat is een grote bedreiging voor onze veiligheid. Orbán laat hiermee weer zien aan welke kant hij staat in de strijd van Poetin versus het vrije Westen.</p> <p class="contents">De spelregels van Schengen zijn voor iedereen helder. Daarom zijn er nu strengere grenscontroles nodig tussen Hongarije en de rest van Europa. Sterker nog, een lidstaat die onze veiligheid actief ondermijnt, mag niet in het Schengengebied blijven.</p> <p class="contents">Beste commissaris, doe daarom een voorstel aan de Raad tot schorsing van Hongarije uit het Schengengebied. Al doet u dat maar om druk te zetten, want helaas is dat de enige taal die Orbán verstaat.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406000"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/106936.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:20:59&playerEndTime=20240918-15:23:19" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Daniel Freund (Verts/ALE).</span></span> – Frau Präsidentin, liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Viele von Ihnen haben es vielleicht noch gar nicht mitbekommen, aber Viktor Orbán hat noch immer nicht bezahlt; letzte Nacht um Mitternacht ist die Zahlungsfrist abgelaufen. Die ungarische Regierung schuldet der Europäischen Union 200 Millionen Euro, und jeden Tag wird es jetzt noch 1 Million mehr, weil die ungarische Regierung das Gesetz bricht, weil sie das EU‑Recht missachtet und das Urteil des EuGH, weil sie denjenigen, die Schutz suchen vor Krieg und Verfolgung, systematisch diesen Schutz verwehrt.</p> <p class="contents">Viktor Orbán geriert sich ja oft gerne als der starke Mann, der die Grenzen schützt, aber es gibt eben zwei Viktor Orbáns. Es gibt den Grenzen-dicht–Stacheldraht‑Orbán, und es gibt den Herzlich-willkommen-in-Ungarn‑Orbán. Denn bei einer Art von Migration scheint er sehr offen zu sein, also dann, wenn es um Menschen geht, die aus Russland oder Belarus kommen, und mit dieser nationalen Karte öffnet er Tür und Tor für Spione und Saboteure in die Europäische Union. Er untergräbt die Geschlossenheit der EU gegenüber den Kriegsverbrechern im Kreml, und er gefährdet unser aller Sicherheit, weil er gemeinsame Sache macht mit Putin – hier bei den Visa, aber wir sehen es eben an vielen anderen Stellen auch. Er missbraucht sein Veto für Putin, und sie klauen zusammen Geld. Was schweißt schon besser zusammen als gemeinsam Geld zu klauen.</p> <p class="contents">Bei Orbán geht es eigentlich immer ums Geld, am liebsten natürlich um unser EU‑Geld. An seiner Putin‑Liebe können wir wahrscheinlich nicht viel machen; wir sollten allerdings vorantreiben, ihm sein Veto zu entziehen, mit dem Artikel 7. Beim Geld haben wir noch mehr Spielraum. Da sollte die Kommission endlich in die Wege leiten, nicht nur Teile der EU‑Gelder einzufrieren, sondern alle EU‑Gelder, weil alle von Korruption bedroht sind.</p> <p class="contents">Wir sollten nicht länger besorgte Briefe schreiben, sondern wirklich agieren, bis der Rechtsstaat wieder funktioniert, bis EU‑Recht wieder durchgesetzt wird in Ungarn, und bis wir sicher sein können, dass keine russischen Spione oder Saboteure über Ungarn in die Europäische Union kommen.</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(Der Redner ist damit einverstanden, auf mehrere Fragen nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“ zu antworten.)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406002"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/249982.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:23:28&playerEndTime=20240918-15:24:12" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Milan Mazurek (NI), </span></span> <span class="italic">otázka položená zdvihnutím modrej karty</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Pán kolega, vy sa naozaj počúvate? Takže kritizujete Maďarsko za to, že nezaplatilo 200 miliónovú pokutu, ktorá mu bola udelená iba preto, že chráni svoje hranice pred nelegálnymi imigrantmi? A zároveň dávate ruských pracovníkov, ktorí prichádzajú do Maďarska na normálne pracovné povolenia, o ktorých všetko vieme, na tú istú úroveň ako nelegálnych imigrantov, ktorí sa dobýjali cez maďarské hranice s využitím násilia, ktorí tam prepadávali ľudí, strieľali na hraničnú stráž? Čo vlastne od Maďarska chcete?</p> <p class="contents">Povedzte to úplne na rovinu. Aby zaplatili pokutu? Aby otvorili hranice dokorán? Pustili do Európy celú Afriku? A následne budete spokojný? A zároveň zakázali ruským pracovníkom vstup na územie Európskej únie? Čo je vlastne vaše konečné riešenie?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406004"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/106936.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:24:11&playerEndTime=20240918-15:25:10" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Daniel Freund (Verts/ALE), </span></span> <span class="italic">Antwort auf eine Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Ich schlage vor, dass sich die ungarische Regierung an EU‑Recht hält, an die EU‑Verträge hält, dass sie die Urteile des Europäischen Gerichtshofs umsetzt, so wie sie getroffen wurden. Wenn die ungarische Regierung zu einer Strafe verurteilt wird, dann sollte sie diese Strafe zahlen. In der Europäischen Union haben wir einen Rechtsstaat. Der funktioniert an den meisten Stellen auch ziemlich gut, mit Ausnahme von Ungarn, wo wir erhebliche Probleme damit haben.</p> <p class="contents">Es ist ja eben angesprochen worden, diese Zahlenfrage. Na ja, es ist eben nicht jeder, der aus Russland kommt, gleich. Bei den Ländern, die vernünftige Prüfungen machen und zum Beispiel Menschen, die in Russland für Menschenrechte kämpfen, ins Land lassen – das ist in Ordnung. Aber es ist eben nicht in Ordnung, wenn man Leute wie den Tiergartenmörder oder Saboteure und Spione ins Land lässt. Da habe ich meine Zweifel, ob die ungarische Regierung diese Prüfung ordentlich durchführt.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406006"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256948.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:25:29&playerEndTime=20240918-15:26:04" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Arno Bausemer (ESN), </span></span> <span class="italic">Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Wir haben gerade den Tiergartenmörder angesprochen: Der ist doch erst von der deutschen Bundesregierung nach Moskau zurückgeschickt worden!</p> <p class="contents">Sie haben eben gesagt, dass der Rechtsstaat weitestgehend funktioniert. Wir hatten am Montag hier eine Debatte zu den Solingen‑Morden, die ja Ausdruck dafür waren, dass das Dublin-Abkommen nicht funktioniert. Wie hoch würden Sie denn den Schaden beziffern, den die deutsche Bundesregierung unter Ihrer grünen Mithilfe in den letzten Jahren zum Schaden der europäischen Bevölkerung angerichtet hat? Beziffern Sie bitte diesen Schaden! Der ist, glaube ich, deutlich höher als 200 Millionen Euro.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406007"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/106936.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:26:01&playerEndTime=20240918-15:26:32" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Daniel Freund (Verts/ALE), </span></span> <span class="italic">Antwort auf eine Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Ich glaube nicht, dass es da einen Schaden gibt. Die deutsche Bundesregierung setzt die Urteile des Europäischen Gerichtshofs um und ist da auch, vielleicht haben Sie das gesehen, gar nicht zu einer Strafe verurteilt worden. Das heißt, es gibt da keinen finanziellen Schaden für das EU‑Budget. Die ungarische Regierung ist aber verurteilt worden: Da stehen 200 Millionen Euro auf dem Deckel, und die müssen jetzt bezahlt werden.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406009"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256944.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:26:36&playerEndTime=20240918-15:28:10" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Hans Neuhoff (ESN).</span></span> – Frau Präsidentin, Frau Kommissarin, Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Die Neuregelung der Bestimmungen zur ungarischen Nationalkarte wird den natürlichen und juristischen Personen aus Russland und Belarus künftig die Möglichkeit geben, sich in Ungarn niederzulassen. Über ähnliche Rechte verfügt derselbe Personenkreis bereits in anderen EU-Staaten, z. B. in Deutschland. Die Sicherheitsbestimmungen der EU werden bei der Erteilung der Einreiseerlaubnis vollständig eingehalten. Die Vorschriften enthalten weder Bestimmungen der Einreise- oder Aufenthaltserleichterung noch umgehen sie Sicherheitsbestimmungen welcher Art auch immer.</p> <p class="contents">Ganz im Gegenteil, sie enthalten sogar mehr Voraussetzungen, als es für die EU‑übliche Prozedur notwendig wäre. Insoweit unterlaufen diese Bestimmungen auch nicht die Aussetzung des Visa-Erleichterungsabkommens zwischen EU, Russland und Belarus vom September 2022 und November 2021. Eine Bedrohung für die Sicherheit der EU oder gar eine Untergrabung der Kohäsion der EU-Außen-, Sicherheits- und Verteidigungspolitik ist aus diesem Handeln Ungarns nicht zu erkennen.</p> <p class="contents">Ich danke abschließend dem Kollegen Leggeri dafür, dass er klargestellt hat, dass die wahre Bedrohung der Sicherheit der EU und ihrer Außen-, Sicherheits- und Verteidigungspolitik aus dem Handeln der Kommissionen von der Leyen stammt.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406012"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257007.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:28:16&playerEndTime=20240918-15:29:32" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Erik Kaliňák (NI).</span></span> – Vážená pani predsedajúca, keď som sa na výbore spýtal pani komisárky Johansson, čo konkrétne v nej vyvoláva pocit ohrozenia pri národnej karte Maďarska, dostal som odpoveď, že jej hlavný problém spočíva v tom, že tieto povolenia získavajú Rusi a Bielorusi, ktorí dnes podľa nej bez ohľadu na prísnosť kontroly predstavujú bezpečnostné riziko pre Schengen.</p> <p class="contents">Samozrejme, zopakovať také niečo o nelegálnych imigrantoch, ktorých nekontroluje nikto, by z nás urobilo extrémistov a rasistov šíriacich <span class="italic">hate speech</span>. Ak by som aj prijal obavy pani komisárky, stále nerozumiem, prečo dnes rozprávame o Maďarsku a nie o Nemecku, ktoré minulý rok udelilo ruským občanom najviac takýchto povolení. Alebo o Poľsku, ktoré vedie túto štatistiku pri bieloruských občanoch.</p> <p class="contents">Mimochodom, Maďarsko je až na ôsmom mieste. Podľa oficiálnych dát z Eurostatu sa minulý rok nachádzalo na území Európskej únie približne 720 tisíc Rusov a 85 tisíc Bielorusov. Ale vy ste sa rozhodli, že bezpečnosť Schengenu ohrozuje práve tých maďarských desať Rusov a štyria Bielorusi, ktorí tento rok získali národnú kartu. Absurdné!</p> <p class="contents">Táto debata je v skutočnosti len ďalší nechutný útok na suverénny členský štát a stelesnenie slovenského príslovia: Kto chce psa biť, palicu si nájde.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406014"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/95074.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:29:36&playerEndTime=20240918-15:31:26" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Jeroen Lenaers (PPE).</span></span> – Madam President, now let's recap. Prime Minister Orbán visits Putin on 5 July, which was in itself already a blatant violation of the EU's Treaties and our common foreign policy. In more or less the same week, all of a sudden, Orbán makes it a lot easier for Russian citizens to come to Hungary and, by extension, the EU and our Schengen zone. Less stringent security checks, more favourable conditions. What a coincidence.</p> <p class="contents">And at a time when, as the Commission rightly said, we see more and more reports of Russian sabotage and espionage coming from our Member States when we have a collective effort to reduce the number of Russian visas by 90 %, we have one Member State that opens the back door. What a coincidence. And of course, the Hungarian Government claims that these decisions were made on the basis of labour market and competitiveness considerations, but they fail to give any kind of justification for this. Even in the answers of the Minister they now claim that it's not such an attractive scheme, not many applicants will actually be there. So which one is it?</p> <p class="contents">It is a good attempt to defend the indefensible, because when you look through the Hungarian fog, you can see it very clearly. This is a gift from Orbán to Putin and a middle finger to the rest of the EU. And it's putting the EU's policy against Russia since the start of Putin's war of aggression at risk, and it is a direct sabotage to all the work we do, while putting the security and the integrity of the whole Schengen area at risk. We cannot accept this. The Commission cannot accept this. We must act and we must act now.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406016"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/96932.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:31:36&playerEndTime=20240918-15:33:57" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Birgit Sippel (S&D).</span></span> – Frau Präsidentin! Es geht mal wieder um Orbán – heute zur Abwechslung aber nicht, weil wir Ungarns Verstöße gegen die Rechtsstaatlichkeit besprechen, und auch nicht, weil der Europäische Gerichtshof Orbáns Regierung mal wieder wegen ihrer rechtswidrigen Migrationspolitik verurteilt hat. Nein, heute reden wir darüber, dass Europas selbsterklärter Migrationsfeind Nummer eins unbedingt Einwanderung ermöglichen und erleichtern möchte. Klingt komisch? Offenbar braucht aber auch Ungarn wie viele andere Mitgliedstaaten Zuwanderung und das sogar in zunehmend größerer Zahl, weshalb legale Einwanderungsmöglichkeiten für Menschen aus verschiedenen Ländern geschaffen wurden. Aber geht es tatsächlich nur darum?</p> <p class="contents">Anscheinend ist es Orbán ja ein wichtiges Anliegen, legale Einwanderungsmöglichkeiten auch für russische und belarussische Staatsangehörige zu erleichtern, und 14 solcher Aufenthaltstitel wurden laut ungarischer Regierung seit Juli ausgehändigt. Bemerkenswert ist die zeitliche Nähe zu seinem unabgesprochenen Besuch in Moskau direkt am Beginn der ungarischen Ratspräsidentschaft – reiner Zufall, sagt sein Europaminister.</p> <p class="contents">Angesichts dieses Besuches, mehr aber noch aufgrund der Haltung Orbáns zum russischen Angriffskrieg ist die Frage erlaubt, welche Vorteile er sich durch diese Ausweitung der legalen Migrationswege auf russische und belarussische Menschen erhofft. Denn es müssen schon außergewöhnliche Umstände sein, dass es notwendig sein soll, das Einwanderungsprogramm trotz der geopolitischen Lage und ohne besondere Sicherheitsüberprüfungen um genau diese beiden Nationen auszuweiten und sie damit genauso zu behandeln wie z. B. sechs EU-Beitrittskandidaten.</p> <p class="contents">Aber zum Schluss: Bei aller Kritik an Orbán – Europa muss prüfen, wie lange wir diesem Treiben noch zusehen wollen und welche weiteren Schritte notwendig sind.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406018"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197831.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:34:03&playerEndTime=20240918-15:36:27" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Hermann Tertsch (PfE).</span></span> – Señora presidenta, Hungría preside este semestre la Unión Europea y, sin embargo, no se le ha dado ni una tregua de cortesía en ese acoso indecente del que es objeto tanto ese país como su Gobierno desde hace cinco años. Sin parar, sin parar, acosándolo con lo que fuera: todo vale contra Hungría, todo, cualquier cosa.</p> <p class="contents">Si saca unos permisos para unas entradas controladas regulares de unos rusos y bielorrusos, es un escándalo monumental, mientras que en España están entrando decenas de miles de personas sin documentación por todas partes, muchas de ellas causando terror y muerte, y en Alemania y en otros países están causando terror, y eso no parece molestarle a nadie. Tenemos el colapso de la seguridad en toda Europa, y lo que molesta es que entren unos rusos controlados a través de unos mecanismos de seguridad que tiene Hungría y que no afectan para nada a lo demás. ¿Cuántos muertos hemos tenido por los rusos y bielorrusos que han entrado en Hungría? ¿Y cuántos muertos hemos tenido por aquellos que han entrado invitados por la señora Merkel y por los Gobiernos alemanes posteriores y han sembrado, como digo, el terror y la muerte?</p> <p class="contents">Creo que es absolutamente escandalosa esta doble vara de medir con respecto a Hungría. Hungría tiene un Gobierno conservador, y no se le tolera. Tenemos en España un Gobierno delincuente, un Gobierno que viola la Constitución, un Gobierno que acosa a los jueces, un Gobierno que acaba de sacar unas medidas para estrangular la prensa y toda la libertad de expresión, un Gobierno que maneja los fondos europeos a partir de la Moncloa, con la mujer del presidente repartiéndolos a amigos a cambio de favores… Eso es España, y nadie habla de España ni de las amenazas que supone España. Y se le da aquí, ahora mismo, una comisaria con competencias para destruir aún más Europa. Es absolutamente repugnante el acoso que está sufriendo Hungría.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406020"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/220871.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:36:33&playerEndTime=20240918-15:37:52" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Rihards Kols (ECR).</span></span> – Madam President, Hungary's decisions to simplify travel for Russian and Belarusian nationals is not just a breach of trust. It is a direct challenge to the security of the European Union. The integrity of the Schengen Area itself may be jeopardised by Orban's unilateral measures at a time when the EU is united in response to Russia's war in Ukraine.</p> <p class="contents">By opening the door to individuals from hostile countries against the EU, Hungary is compromising our collective safety. These relaxed visa rules create dangerous loopholes, allowing unvetted individuals, potential spies, saboteurs and agents of disinformation easy access to our borders.</p> <p class="contents">Let me be clear. This is not about national sovereignty. This is about the security of the EU. If Hungary refuses to align with the common EU approach, I urge its neighbouring countries to reinstate border controls for the time being, prioritising their own national security. Europe's unity must not be sacrificed on the altar of appeasement, especially at a time when the EU is on a high alert for potential acts of sabotage.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406022"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197432.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:37:57&playerEndTime=20240918-15:39:30" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Jan-Christoph Oetjen (Renew).</span></span> – Frau Präsidentin, verehrte Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Was da gerade passiert in Ungarn, ist, dass die ungarische Regierung, dass Viktor Orbán versucht, den Schengen-Raum von innen zu zerstören – diese größte Errungenschaft, eine der größten Errungenschaften der Europäischen Union –, den viele unserer Bürgerinnen und Bürger erleben, nutzen und wertschätzen.</p> <p class="contents">Ich glaube, dass mit diesem Alleingang, den die ungarische Regierung dort macht, mit der Möglichkeit für Russen und Belarussen, in den Schengen-Raum einzureisen, Orbán möglicherweise zum größten Schleuser der Europäischen Union wird. Das ist ein inakzeptabler Vorgang, den wir nicht zulassen dürfen.</p> <p class="contents">Wir müssen klarmachen, dass diese ungarische Regierung diese Regelung dringend zurücknehmen muss. Denn ich möchte nicht aufs Spiel setzen, dass die Ungarn, dieses Volk, das für die Freiheit vom Sozialismus gekämpft hat, dass dieses Volk in der Zukunft wieder auf Pässe angewiesen ist, wenn es reisen will in Europa, dass es wieder Grenzkontrollen zu Ungarn gibt – das alles möchte ich nicht. Aber genau das setzt Orbán aufs Spiel, und deswegen muss diese Regelung wieder zurückgenommen werden, damit der Schengen-Raum für die Zukunft bewahrt wird.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406024"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/190574.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:39:34&playerEndTime=20240918-15:40:53" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Tomasz Froelich (ESN).</span></span> – Frau Präsidentin! Die Heuchelei dieses Hohen Hauses ist wirklich beeindruckend. Dort, wo es Terroristen gibt, verschließen Sie die Augen; dort, wo es keine Terroristen gibt, wittern Sie plötzlich ein Sicherheitsrisiko. Nicht in Budapest explodieren die Bomben von Terroristen, nicht in Budapest werden Frauen in Gruppen vergewaltigt, und nicht in Budapest wird das Kalifat ausgerufen, sehr wohl aber in unseren Städten: in Berlin, in Brüssel, in Paris. Und Sie erdreisten sich ernsthaft, Viktor Orbán sicherheitspolitische Lektionen zu erteilen? Das ist doch lächerlich! Die Ungarn wissen ganz genau, wen sie in ihr Land reinlassen – Sie nicht, das haben die letzten Jahre gezeigt.</p> <p class="contents">Ungarn setzt auf russische und weißrussische Gastarbeiter, um seine Industriepläne umzusetzen; das ist Ungarns gutes Recht. In Westeuropa hingegen erleben wir seit Jahren den kompletten Kollaps der inneren Sicherheit, und das liegt nicht an russischen Gastarbeitern, das liegt an illegalen Migranten aus dem afrikanisch-arabischen Raum, die man hier mithilfe von Resettlementprogrammen und Schlepper-NGOs in Scharen in unser Land lässt.</p> <p class="contents">Lassen Sie die Finger von Ungarn, lassen Sie die Finger von Orbán! Wer mehr Sicherheit will, muss mehr Orbán wagen.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406026"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256851.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:41:00&playerEndTime=20240918-15:42:20" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ondřej Dostál (NI).</span></span> – Paní předsedající, vážení kolegové, zdejší většina kritizuje maďarský program národní karty pro pracovníky z osmi zemí, kteří prochází přísnou předvstupní kontrolou. Kritici přesto bez dalšího předpokládají, že ti z těchto pracovníků, kteří jsou Rusy nebo Bělorusy, představují bezpečnostní riziko. Toto je uplatňování principu kolektivní viny. Pro mne vzhledem k historii našeho regionu zcela nepřijatelného, bohužel nyní mezi tzv. liberály opět běžného. Tato kritika přitom přichází v čase neřízené a nelegální migrace, kdy hranice Evropské unie překračují masy lidí zcela bez dokladů, zcela bez kontroly. Což platí i pro nedávnou vlnu uprchlíků, kdy se podle zprávy českého ministerstva vnitra vedle válečných běženců do Evropy dostávají organizovaní zločinci, tzv. <span class="italic">vorové v zakoně</span> neboli mafiánští bossové. Takto se mnohem snáze než přes pracovní víza může dostat do Evropské unie jakýkoli terorista či špion. Zanechme proto politicky motivované šikany Maďarska a snažme se raději v zájmu bezpečnosti našich voličů, aby veškerá migrace do Evropy byla kontrolována alespoň tak dobře, jako hodlá Maďarsko uplatňovat svůj program příjemců pracovních víz.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406028"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/110673.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:42:26&playerEndTime=20240918-15:44:34" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ana Miguel Pedro (PPE).</span></span> – Senhora Presidente, o sistema do «cartão nacional» húngaro representa uma brecha perigosa no escudo que protege a Europa, e as consequências não são hipotéticas.</p> <p class="contents">Quando falamos da Ucrânia, falamos de um povo que escolheu a democracia, a Europa e o Estado de direito. Quando Viktor Orbán desvaloriza esta luta, ignora que o ataque à Ucrânia é, na verdade, um ataque aos valores que cimentam a nossa União. Se deixarmos a Ucrânia cair, enfraqueceremos a nossa própria democracia.</p> <p class="contents">Enquanto os ucranianos lutam, morrem e resistem à agressão de uma potência imperialista, a Hungria abre as portas a cidadãos russos e bielorrussos. Cada soldado ucraniano que se ergue em defesa do seu país é um escudo vivo para a Europa. A vitória da Rússia na Ucrânia seria a prova definitiva de que as fronteiras na Europa podem ser redesenhadas à força. E ao mesmo tempo que eles lutam, não podemos permitir que se criem brechas para aqueles que querem ver-nos divididos.</p> <p class="contents">O Espaço Schengen não é um capricho, é um pilar. E o «cartão nacional» húngaro transforma Schengen numa fachada vulnerável, num engano que favorece aqueles que querem explorar as nossas falhas e lacunas.</p> <p class="contents">A ordem internacional está em jogo e a Hungria não pode estar do lado errado. Neste contexto geopolítico delicado, este esquema facilita a entrada de cidadãos russos e bielorrussos no espaço europeu, subvertendo os controlos exigidos pelas normas da União. É uma porta aberta à infiltração de espiões e à manipulação externa, numa altura em que a Rússia está claramente empenhada em desestabilizar a Europa.</p> <p class="contents">Quando falamos de segurança comum, não há espaço para concessões. Não sejamos ingénuos. Não podemos tratar a nossa segurança com a leveza de quem acredita que as ameaças desaparecerão por si mesmas. Não podemos deixar que o Espaço Schengen, que simboliza a confiança entre os Estados-Membros, se transforme num instrumento de manipulação política ou numa falácia de segurança.</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(A oradora aceita responder a uma pergunta «cartão azul»)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406030"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/213330.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:45:00&playerEndTime=20240918-15:45:48" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ernő Schaller-Baross (PfE), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card question</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Thank you so much esteemed colleague, I want to raise a very short question. I just read that in 2023, your country, Spain, issued 92 401 and Portugal over 70 000 visas to Russian citizens. Are you afraid of that? Do you want to have a political debate here in this Chamber about this issue? Are you afraid that over 200 000 Russians got visas in France and more than that in Germany. Should we have a debate about that in this Chamber? So that's a very simple question.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406032"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/110673.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:45:47&playerEndTime=20240918-15:46:18" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ana Miguel Pedro (PPE), </span></span> <span class="italic">Resposta segundo o procedimento «cartão azul»</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Senhor deputado, agradeço a sua intervenção, e a sua pergunta. Creio que, de facto, aqui neste plenário, neste Parlamento, ninguém deseja que a Hungria esteja do lado errado da História. Portanto, espero que a Hungria possa responder com clareza e transparência às perguntas que foram formuladas pela Comissão Europeia.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406034"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/124722.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:46:22&playerEndTime=20240918-15:48:45" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Csaba Molnár (S&D).</span></span> – Elnök Asszony! Ha Magyarországra jössz, akkor nem veheted el a magyarok munkáját, hirdették pár évvel ezelőtt a menekültellenes kormányzati óriásplakátok a magyar utcákon. Az elmúlt pár évben az Orbán-kormány már a bevándorlás egyik európai központjává tette Magyarországot. A magyar miniszterelnök mindig határvédelemről papol, de a valóságban egymás után gyártja a kiskapukat az EU-ba igyekvőknek, valódi nemzetbiztonsági átvilágítás nélkül. Itt már nem vendégmunkáról beszélünk, nem migrációról beszélünk, hanem egy súlyos biztonsági kockázatról.</p> <p class="contents">A magyar kormány mások mellett orosz és fehérorosz kémek, alvó ügynökök és háborús bűnösök előtt nyitotta meg az Európai Unió kapuit. Megvolt persze ennek az előzménye Orbán rendszerében. Először letelepedési kötvénnyel jöhetett bárki, aki fizetett érte. Aztán most jön, amiről beszélünk éppen, a nemzeti kártya, amivel szintén bárki beléphet Magyarország vagy az Európai Unió területére, csak egy munkaviszonyt kell hozzá lepapíroznia. Ez volt a második módszer, de tudják, nincs ennek vége. Önök még nem hallhattak róla, de jön egy harmadik felvonás, az aranyvízum. Ehhez is csak pénz kell majd a Magyarországon vagy az Európai Unión belüli tartózkodáshoz. Csak ezúttal majd nem kötvényt kell vásárolni a tartózkodásért, hanem ingatlant vagy ingatlanalapot, akár a miniszterelnök vejétől. Vagyis az történik, ami Magyarországon szokott lenni: Putyin szolgálata korrupcióval is társul.</p> <p class="contents">Jogos ez a félelem. Akiket a magyar kormány akár a nemzeti kártyával, akár az aranyvízummal beenged Magyarországra, azok előtt szabad az út Berlinig, Rómáig, Párizsig, Madridig, bármeddig az Európai Unión belül. Legyen világos: ha ma Magyarországon, ha bárhol Európában biztonsági rés van az EU-ban, akkor azt úgy hívják, hogy Orbán Viktor. Nem kell ehhez még vétóznia sem. Az is elég, hogyha olyan embereknek enged szabad utat az európai országokba, akiket Önök egyébként saját jószántukból soha nem engedtek volna be, mert pontosan tudják, hogy az orosz vagy a fehérorosz diktátor küldöttei, jól meghatározott úticéllal és feladattal. Orbán egy zsarolóvírus az EU-ban, amit Vlagyimir Putyin telepített és használja is addig, ameddig hagyjuk. Azt javaslom, hogy ne hagyjuk!</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(A felszólaló hajlandó válaszolni egy kékkártyás kérdésre)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406036"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257067.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:48:58&playerEndTime=20240918-15:49:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Grzegorz Braun (NI), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card question</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Dear colleague, God bless you. Could you please share with us your unique method of recognising sleeper agents? Did you get any? Did you go to any prosecutor, any police station? By all means, don't keep light undercover.</p> <p class="contents">And one more question. Would you also have any unique method of recognising Russian agents and American agents and how to tell who is who?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406038"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/124722.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:49:42&playerEndTime=20240918-15:50:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Csaba Molnár (S&D), </span></span> <span class="italic">kékkártyás válasz</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Tudja, tisztelt Képviselő Úr, én Magyarországon élek, magyar vagyok, Önnel ellentétben, és sajnos sok ilyet látunk már. Ön nem tudja, mert biztos nem hallott róla, de éveken keresztül magyar pénzből, magyar finanszírozással és magyar diplomáciai mentességgel egy orosz kémbank működött Budapesten. Kémeket hoztak ide egy kémbank keretében. A magyar állam ezt hagyta. Aztán utána kiderült, hogy a magyar külügyminisztérium informatikai rendszerébe ellenőrzés nélkül ki-be járkálhatnak az orosz kémek. Mikor ez nyilvánosságra jutott, akkor a külügyminiszter megvonta a vállát, és azt mondta, hogy hát van ilyen, előfordul. Egymás után jönnek a példák arra, hogy beengedik az orosz kémeket Magyarországra, tudatosan, kormányzati engedéllyel hagyják őket grasszálni. Nem tippelek, hanem történeti példákat sorolok Önöknek.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406040"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197528.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:50:44&playerEndTime=20240918-15:52:49" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ondřej Knotek (PfE).</span></span> – Madam President, Commissioner, Minister, I would like to thank the Commission, Council and the Hungarian Government, because we have heard that the dialogue is going on, step by step, we believe, to a successful end. And maybe at this stage, this plenary should finish the debate. Because we can ask: 'Tell us in 14 days, in one month what is going on'. But this House requires deeper debate.</p> <p class="contents">Okay, we are in a political House. Let's have a deeper debate. I'm not against it. At the end, we are sharing as 27 sovereign Member States one continent. So if we are with the idea that there is a risk, let's debate the risk and ask how it is addressed. But we shall not apply double standards and one-way democracy and one-way diplomacy.</p> <p class="contents">We have heard so far that these working permits, which are – in terms of security checks – on equal footing with other European visas, are now five plus five together. Maybe in years we will be talking about one hundred, a few hundred, maybe – and I will just say maybe – 2000. For example, imagine 2000 working permits for Russians and Belarusians. Some of you mentioned, I wrote it down, 'unacceptable and dangerous'. Okay. But where the same people and the same faces have been in 2023, when 220 000 multiple entry visas have been issued to the citizens of the Russian Federation – 100 times more. No one claimed a risk. It's not serious.</p> <p class="contents">Where have you been last week? The Chancellor of Germany announced that he is considering 250 000 working permits for one African country. Maybe – in your logic – potential bringers of Sharia law. So where have you been? So please, if you want to have serious debate, please use the data and not double standards.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406041"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents" align="center"><span class="bold">PRÉSIDENCE: YOUNOUS OMARJEE</span><br /><span class="italic">Vice-Président</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001406043"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256907.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:52:55&playerEndTime=20240918-15:54:14" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Reinis Pozņaks (ECR).</span></span> – Mr President, dear colleague, so the strategy when Russia infiltrates other countries with their spies and saboteurs is proven since 2014. They just do it, and we know it. And of course, security risks are complicated. It's not always about amounts; it's about quality sometimes.</p> <p class="contents">And of course, it's a question of trust also and Hungarians' friendship with Russia. Me personally, yes, it makes me worry about even 14 of them – probably those Russians and Belarusians couldn't get in through other countries – as I come from the country which already fights this hybrid war with Russia.</p> <p class="contents">Moreover, I personally was affected by sabotage threats – luckily, just threats. So the only thing I can say is, yes, those risks are real. And probably there is a truth that it's not only about Hungary, but about all of Europe. Those risks are real.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410645"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197400.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:54:20&playerEndTime=20240918-15:56:17" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Abir Al-Sahlani (Renew).</span></span> – Herr talman! Fru kommissionär! Viktor Orbán har gång på gång utmanat EU genom sina politiska beslut. Han har blint ignorerat våra grundläggande principer och öppet visat sin roll som Putins megafon och lilla springpojke i rådet och i EU. Han har tydligt visat sitt förakt för allt vad EU står för.</p> <p class="contents">Men duktig har han varit på att ta våra skattebetalares pengar till sina suspekta projekt. Genom att öppna dörrarna för ryssar och belaruser, genom att hota instrumentaliseringen av ukrainska flyktingars situation bryter Viktor Orbán mot Schengens syften och principer och framför allt principen om den fria rörligheten för våra medborgare. Det är oacceptabelt och direkt farligt.</p> <p class="contents">Detta är ett agerande av ren laglöshet som underminerar det vi i det här huset står för, det våra medborgare röstade för precis nu i det här sista valet till Europaparlamentet. Orbáns handlingar skapar en splittring inom EU och minskar förtroendet medlemsstater emellan och förtroendet för Schengen. Det är viktigt att vi står enade, att vi fortsatt skyddar principerna som det här samarbetet vilar på. Det är viktigt att vi skyddar både Schengensystemet, våra principer om solidaritet och vårt samarbete.</p> <p class="contents">Men viktigast av allt är att lyfta den här frågan så att ungerska medborgare får höra att det här pågår i deras land. För de vet inte att det är de som kommer att drabbas av detta. Det är viktigt att ställa Viktor Orbán till svars nu.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410647"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256941.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:56:37&playerEndTime=20240918-15:58:52" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Alexander Jungbluth (ESN).</span></span> – Herr Präsident, werte Kollegen! Es ist wenig überraschend, dass die üblichen Verdächtigen sich über die neue <span class="italic">national card</span> in Ungarn echauffieren. Sie täten aber besser daran, wenn sie sich einmal mit den Hintergründen beschäftigen würden und ein wenig Selbstkritik an den Tag legen, statt umgehend in Schnappatmung zu verfallen. Grundsätzlich ist diese <span class="italic">national</span> <span class="italic"></span><span class="italic">card</span> nichts anderes als ein Visum, mit durchaus weitreichenden Möglichkeiten, wie einem Familiennachzug oder einer dauerhaften Aufenthaltsgenehmigung – also nichts anderes als das, was die EU jedem zugutekommen lässt, der hier illegal einreist und Asyl beantragt.</p> <p class="contents">Der entscheidende Unterschied ist, dass das in Ungarn nur für Personen gilt, die verschiedene Nachweise erbringen, wie eine Arbeitsstelle oder eine Krankenversicherung, und die aus acht verschiedenen Ländern aus einem ähnlichen Kulturkreis stammen. Eine dauerhafte Aufenthaltsgenehmigung gibt es nur, wenn man drei Jahre Steuern gezahlt hat, und nicht wie beispielsweise in Deutschland, weil man eben schon lange da ist.</p> <p class="contents">Der Aufschrei ist auch deshalb so groß, weil auch Russland und Weißrussland zu diesen acht Ländern zählen. Viele der 770 000 russischen Staatsbürger in der EU leben dank langer Migrationsgeschichte in Deutschland, sind fleißig, bestens integriert und ein wertvoller Bestandteil für unsere Gesellschaft. Im Gegensatz zu den üblichen Asylherkunftsländern fallen sie nicht dadurch auf, dass sie andere abstechen oder unsere Frauen und Töchter vergewaltigen. Und letztere empfängt man trotzdem weiterhin mit offenen Armen und vor allem mit offenem Geldbeutel.</p> <p class="contents">Statt jetzt eine große Gefahr heraufzubeschwören, sollte sich die EU lieber fragen, wieso einzelne Mitgliedstaaten mit derartigen Maßnahmen reagieren. Die Antwort ist offensichtlich: Die EU-Migrationspolitik zieht ganz bewusst unqualifizierte Kulturfremde an, die unseren Sozialstaat belasten, die innere Sicherheit erodieren lassen und unsere Länder langfristig zerstören. Dass Ungarn nun gezielt kulturnahe Arbeitsmigration fördert, ist also einzig und allein dem Totalversagen dieser EU geschuldet.</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(Der Redner ist damit einverstanden, auf eine Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“ zu antworten.)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410649"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197400.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-15:59:17&playerEndTime=20240918-16:00:08" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Abir Al-Sahlani (Renew), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card question</span><span class="bold">.</span> – I would like to ask my esteemed colleague. I mean, he is really passionate about the women who have been killed, who have been raped by so-called gangs from the outside of other cultures and all of that, that he said – pretty much very racist.</p> <p class="contents">Do you feel as passionate about the men from your own country who rape, kill and abuse women? Should we also kick them out? And do you make the estimate that Viktor Orbán is not equally as dangerous for our cooperation, our security as any threat from the outside, because he is being Vladimir Putin's little boy here inside the EU?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410650"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256941.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:00:06&playerEndTime=20240918-16:00:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Alexander Jungbluth (ESN), </span></span> <span class="italic">Antwort auf eine Frage nach dem Verfahren der „blauen Karte“</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Vielen Dank für die Frage! Ich glaube, wir haben festgestellt, dass es in Europa Phänomene gibt, die es früher nicht gegeben hat, die es vor dieser Massenmigration nicht gegeben hat. Wir haben gestern über Solingen gesprochen; wir sprechen darüber, dass tagtäglich Messermorde in Deutschland und Europa stattfinden. Das hat es vor zehn Jahren nicht gegeben; es hat vor vielen Jahren keine Massenvergewaltigungen gegeben: Das ist das Phänomen, das wir erst seit dieser Massenmigration haben.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410652"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197421.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:00:48&playerEndTime=20240918-16:02:35" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Isabel Wiseler-Lima (PPE).</span></span> – Monsieur le Président, la Hongrie, en étendant son système de carte nationale aux ressortissants de la Russie et de la Biélorussie, permet que ces derniers entrent en Hongrie et donc dans l'espace Schengen, sans les contrôles de sécurité habituels pour les visas. Cela constitue sans nul doute un risque pour la sécurité de l'Union européenne dans la situation actuelle de la guerre menée par la Russie contre l'Ukraine. Il n'est tout simplement pas acceptable qu'un pays de l'Union européenne permette que les ressortissants de pays qui mènent une guerre hybride contre nous puissent entrer dans l'Union européenne sans vérification de sécurité.</p> <p class="contents">On ne peut s'empêcher de relever que cette décision du gouvernement hongrois s'inscrit dans la lignée d'actions où la Hongrie se désolidarise de l'Union européenne puisque, à maintes reprises, elle a bloqué l'aide européenne à l'Ukraine, tant militaire que financière. Viktor Orban se permet en plus d'aller rendre visite à Vladimir Poutine à Moscou. Et ce alors même que la Hongrie occupe la présidence de l'Union européenne. Cela est tout à fait inacceptable.</p> <p class="contents">Pour en revenir aux visas, il est impératif qu'ils soient uniquement délivrés en respectant un cadre de sécurité effectif qui tienne également compte de l'attitude hostile de certains pays, dont la Russie et la Biélorussie. Ceci doit aussi être respecté par la Hongrie. Cette sécurité est en effet impérative si nous voulons continuer à profiter de l'ouverture de nos frontières intérieures, un acquis majeur pour nos citoyens. Les visas font partie de la protection de nos frontières extérieures et sans protection efficace de nos frontières extérieures, Schengen ne peut fonctionner. Or, nous voyons à quel point Schengen est mis à mal de toute part. Protégeons donc nos frontières extérieures et gardons la liberté de circuler à l'intérieur de Schengen, c'est ce que nous demandent les citoyens de l'Union.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410654"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/96812.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:02:45&playerEndTime=20240918-16:05:12" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Juan Fernando López Aguilar (S&D).</span></span> – Señor presidente, señora comisaria, señor representante de la Presidencia húngara, la cuestión es geopolítica, más de lo que parece su enunciado: un examen al sistema de tarjetas nacionales establecido por el Gobierno húngaro de Viktor Orbán para la ciudadanía de Rusia y Bielorrusia, lo que les permite la entrada y residencia en el territorio Schengen de la Unión Europea.</p> <p class="contents">Por tanto, plantea dos problemas que merecen respuesta. El primero, el riesgo de elusión de las medidas restrictivas que tanto nos ha costado adoptar y poner en marcha y de las sanciones contra Rusia y Bielorrusia después de la guerra de agresión de Putin contra Ucrania. Y, en segundo lugar, la integridad del propio espacio Schengen, que tiene que ser inmune al blanqueo de capitales, los flujos financieros ilícitos y las amenazas a nuestra seguridad interior.</p> <p class="contents">De modo que hay que resolver estas dudas, que tienen que ver, efectivamente, con la sorprendente decisión del Gobierno de Orbán de establecer la entrada privilegiada y la residencia de ciudadanos de Rusia y Bielorrusia en la Unión Europea, con el alegato del mercado de trabajo, cuando estamos hablando de un Gobierno que se ha distinguido por su oposición radicalmente contraria a toda forma de responsabilidad compartida y solidaridad en materia migratoria, a pesar del trabajoso pacto que conseguimos sacar adelante en la pasada legislatura, que se funda precisamente sobre esos pilares: responsabilidad compartida y solidaridad.</p> <p class="contents">Pero, además, se conecta con un problema que este Parlamento Europeo ha señalado y denunciado: la generalización de los <span class="italic">golden visas</span> y los <span class="italic">golden passports</span>. Una práctica absolutamente execrable, por lo que le pedimos a la Comisión que ponga no solamente orden sino fin. El Gobierno de España se ha distinguido derogando los <span class="italic">golden visas</span><span class="italic">,</span> que fueron establecidos por el anterior Gobierno conservador a propósito de la crisis de la Gran Recesión, porque veía en ello una amenaza no solamente a la estrategia contra el blanqueamiento de capitales, sino por generar desigualdad en términos de acceso y residencia.</p> <p class="contents">Por tanto, la Comisión tiene que responder a dos preguntas. La primera, ¿qué medidas considera para abordar todos los riesgos, no ya potenciales sino actuales, para la seguridad de la Unión Europea de las tarjetas nacionales establecidas por el Gobierno de Hungría? Y la segunda, ¿cuál es la estrategia que tiene la Comisión para cumplir el mandato del Parlamento Europeo de que se deroguen en todos los Estados miembros que todavía los tienen los <span class="italic">golden visas</span> y los <span class="italic">golden passports,</span> como ha hecho el Gobierno de España.</p> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(El orador acepta responder a una pregunta formulada con arreglo al procedimiento de la «tarjeta azul»)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410656"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256859.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:05:24&playerEndTime=20240918-16:06:10" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Annamária Vicsek (PfE), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card question</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Dear colleagues, I would like to ask one question to the speaker now. In 2023, which was the Spanish Presidency, exactly 92 414 visas have been issued to Russian citizens. Do you know any of these people, any of these 92 414 people? Do you think that they're causing a smaller threat to the security of the European Union than the ten Russians who are issued visas in Hungary? Are these larger or smaller threats than the ten?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410657"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/96812.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:06:08&playerEndTime=20240918-16:07:05" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Juan Fernando López Aguilar (S&D), </span></span> <span class="italic">blue-card answer</span><span class="bold">.</span> – All threats against security, all threats against internal security in a Member State of the European Union, are a threat to the European Union as a whole, and to the security of European citizens. We have made that point very strongly in the European Parliament, and that, of course, includes golden visas and golden passports that have been put in practice by many Member States through the so-called Great Recession.</p> <p class="contents">That was the case of Spain under a conservative government. It's been a progressive government, the government that has taken the decision, has made the choice, of putting an end to it precisely on the grounds not only of fighting against money laundering and the risks that are entailed and involved, but also securing the integrity of the Schengen Area, fighting all forms of inequality when it comes to access of residence and European citizenship, because residence is the gateway to European citizenship.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410659"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257050.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:07:17&playerEndTime=20240918-16:09:35" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">António Tânger Corrêa (PfE).</span></span> – Senhor Presidente, Senhor Vice-Presidente, Senhor Ministro, Caros Colegas, fui diplomata de carreira durante 40 anos. Fui um dos negociadores de Schengen.</p> <p class="contents">Toda a gente fala de Schengen neste plenário. Ninguém tem ideia do que está a falar. Eu, não só trabalhei Schengen I e Schengen II, como durante toda a minha carreira pratiquei Schengen. Tinha de conceder vistos de acordo com os requisitos dos acordos de Schengen. Tinha de fazer uma análise das pessoas e dos motivos que elas tinham para visitar o meu país, porque eu sabia que, quando entrassem em Portugal, teriam autorização para percorrer todo o Espaço Schengen em virtude dos respetivos acordos.</p> <p class="contents">Agora temos o quê? Temos uma total e absoluta falta de Estado de lei, em que qualquer pessoa entra em qualquer país, nomeadamente nos países da Europa Ocidental.</p> <p class="contents">Catorze vistos foram dados a russos em julho e agosto. Catorze! Dez a russos e quatro a bielorrussos que, ainda por cima, estavam perfeitamente identificados. Não me parece que seja um processo de espião. Querem casos de problemas de segurança? Eu dou-vos. A liberalização dos vistos para nacionais do Kosovo, com as máfias todas a circular livremente pela Europa. No meu país, dirigentes do Bangladesh, proscritos no seu próprio país por radicalismo islamista, foram fazer reuniões na capital do meu país, em Lisboa.</p> <p class="contents">Isto são riscos de segurança. Isto é aquilo que está a pôr a Europa em perigo. Não é a meia dúzia de vistos que o Sr. Órban concede aos russos ou aos bielorrussos. E quem é que vos disse que esses dez russos e quatro bielorrussos são agentes de Putin e não são opositores a Putin que, pura e simplesmente, querem ir trabalhar fora e fazer a sua vida? Quem é que vos diz?</p> <p class="contents">Em contrapartida, Caros Colegas, temos de ter um bocado de estudos de geopolítica e temos de saber o que se está a passar na nossa Europa.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410661"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257058.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:09:45&playerEndTime=20240918-16:11:23" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Daniel Obajtek (ECR).</span></span> – Panie Przewodniczący! Szanowni Państwo! Jestem posłem, to jest pierwsza moja kadencja i czegoś nie rozumiem. Czy wy naprawdę chcecie komukolwiek wmówić, że wizy pracownicze są zagrożeniem Europy w momencie, kiedy od 2015 roku dziesiątki tysięcy ludzi wjechało do Europy? Zobaczcie, jak dziś Europa wygląda: niebezpieczna, gwałty, narkotyki, rozbój. Oczywiście wcześniej również to trwało, ale zdecydowanie w mniejszej skali. Dziś Europa ma duży problem. Niejednokrotnie był krytykowany mój kraj, Polska, że nie chcemy imigrantów. Proszono nas, grożono nam, również Węgrzy.</p> <p class="contents">Proszę zobaczyć, czy dziś jest niebezpiecznie w Polsce, w Warszawie? Nie, jest bezpiecznie. Czy dziś niebezpiecznie jest w Budapeszcie? Nie, jest bezpiecznie proszę państwa. I ja nie wiem, czy wizy pracownicze tak naprawdę coś zmienią w bezpieczeństwie Europy. Nic nie zmienią. Ale również Niemcy, przecież, jeżeli chodzi o pracowników z Kenii, chętnie zapraszają. A już nie mówiąc o zamknięciu granic przez właśnie Niemcy. To są poważne dzisiaj problemy.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410663"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256970.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:11:32&playerEndTime=20240918-16:13:17" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Raquel García Hermida-Van Der Walle (Renew).</span></span> – Mr President, Madam Commissioner, Mr Bóka for the Council, you know, when listening to the colleagues and thinking about this debate, I had to think at about my children. All three of them – three daughters, which, I guess, from the Hungarian Government, I would get a medal or something, given their obsession with women's reproductive function. But that's maybe for a different debate.</p> <p class="contents">But the thing that parenthood has taught me – and maybe a lot of us here who may be parents – is that boundaries are really, really important. And we all know what happens when boundaries are trespassed but no consequences follow, time and time again. How empty the phrase 'If you do this one more time, dear...' becomes. Mr Orbán behaves and has been behaving for a very long time like a spoilt toddler whose temper tantrums were tolerated for far too long and now has become a rowdy teenager, playing with real fire and threatening to burn down the entire house.</p> <p class="contents">Mr Bóka, you said you were here representing the Member States in the Council at large, then I will tell you: this is the time to step it up. Member States, please suspend – temporarily maybe – Hungary's voting rights in the Council for the sake of our family.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410666"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256804.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:13:25&playerEndTime=20240918-16:14:47" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Pekka Toveri (PPE).</span></span> – Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, free movement of people within the EU and Schengen Area is based on trust. Trust that the Member States take care of our common security by honouring the rules and regulations that we have agreed to follow. Now, Hungary, whose leadership is doing its best to support President Putin and his war against Ukraine, is breaking this trust and is opening a door to Russian operatives to Europe.</p> <p class="contents">Yes, we do have an illegal immigration problem in Europe, but at least they are not trying to burn down our defence industry installations or prepare attacks on military bases or attacks against European politicians, etc.. Hungary's explanations in this matter have been delayed and vague. Therefore, we need to take necessary measures to protect ourselves, including studying the inner border controls and other measures.</p> <p class="contents">Appeasing dictators is wrong. Appeasing people, supporting dictators would be equally wrong. And before any of my distinguished colleagues questions my knowledge about the issue, I served almost four decades in the Finnish Defence Forces and retired as the Director of Military Intelligence. I know the threat.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410668"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/28307.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:14:51&playerEndTime=20240918-16:17:23" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Francisco Assis (S&D).</span></span> – Senhor Presidente, Senhor Ministro, Senhora Comissária, Caros Colegas, uma das imagens mais marcantes do século XX foram as imagens de 1956, quando o povo húngaro resistiu ao imperialismo soviético. As imagens mais marcantes foram as imagens dos carros de combate soviéticos em Budapeste a reprimir, brutalmente, essa extraordinária revolta popular, que foi talvez a maior revolta que ocorreu contra o totalitarismo comunista e o imperialismo soviético nesses anos.</p> <p class="contents">É, por isso, com grande tristeza, Senhor Ministro, que vemos hoje o Governo húngaro – da mesma Hungria, que foi também dos primeiros países a sacudir o jugo soviético – de mãos dadas com o autocrata Putin.</p> <p class="contents">Porque é disso que se trata neste momento e é isso que aqui temos de avaliar. Esta decisão foi tomada depois de uma visita do primeiro-ministro da Hungria a Moscovo.</p> <p class="contents">Têm sido muitas as manifestações públicas de solidariedade do Governo húngaro para com a autocracia russa, e têm sido muitas as provocações da Hungria em relação aos princípios basilares do Estado de direito, que fazem parte dos fundamentos da União Europeia. Esta é mais uma. E é, por essa razão, que ela é grave e incomparável com outras situações. Não é possível estabelecer qualquer paralelismo com outros comportamentos de outros Estados-Membros da União Europeia onde nada disto se passa.</p> <p class="contents">O que é grave é o processo, e é esse processo que tem de ser devidamente avaliado e tem de ser aqui claramente criticado. Porque o que aqui está em causa, de facto, é uma constante adesão à Rússia e uma permanente desvalorização do nosso modelo democrático europeu.</p> <p class="contents">A Hungria, quando chegou à União Europeia, vinha precisamente disposta a entrar num clube democrático, depois de ter vivido tantos anos sob uma ditadura, que nós todos conhecemos. Daí a nossa grande admiração, a profunda admiração pelo povo húngaro.</p> <p class="contents">A questão que se coloca é: até quando isto será possível? Até quando a União Europeia irá continuar a permitir esta situação? Não é nada contra a Hungria. É apenas um reparo ao governo que, momentaneamente, está no poder na Hungria.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410670"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257119.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:17:28&playerEndTime=20240918-16:18:59" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Şerban-Dimitrie Sturdza (ECR).</span></span> – Domnule președinte, domnule ministru, stimați colegi, respectând suveranitatea vecinilor noștri maghiari și faptul că Ungaria este în măsură legitimă să decidă pe cine acceptă sau nu pe teritoriul său, nu putem să închidem ochii la faptul că, încă o dată, politicile dlui Orbán sunt contrare spiritului de cooperare și de solidaritate european. Toți europenii, inclusiv românii, își doresc să readucă pacea pe continent. Ce facem, așadar, concret, pentru securitatea spațiului Schengen?</p> <p class="contents">România este un stat profund fond european și cu siguranță nu se află pe lista prietenilor lui Putin. În plus, suntem și o țară care din 2011 se conformează în totalitate reglementărilor Schengen. Cu toate acestea, suntem încă ținuți la porțile Europei. De ce uităm de România, atunci când este în joc securitatea și stabilitatea proiectului european? Este momentul să consolidăm și mai mult spațiul de liberă circulație european care ne unește, iar aceasta înseamnă că România trebuie să facă parte complet din zona Schengen în cel mai scurt timp, fără jumătăți de măsură.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410672"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257011.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:19:04&playerEndTime=20240918-16:21:04" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Lucia Yar (Renew).</span></span> – Vážený pán predsedajúci, vážená pani eurokomisárka, predsedníctvo. To, čo robí Viktor Orbán Európskej únii, nie je nič, len provokácia. Cesty do Moskvy, do Číny, stretnutia s Trumpom, blokovanie pomoci Ukrajine, a ani príklad maďarskej národnej karty, teda zjednodušenia vydávania schengenských víz pre Rusov a Bielorusov, nie je o ničom inom.</p> <p class="contents">Ak by mali diktátori ako Putin v Európskej únii Trójskeho koňa inak ako premiér Orbán by sa nesprával. Nedajme sa teda zmiasť, kolegovia a kolegyne. Ak si myslíme, že tento maďarský systém Rusko a jeho tajné služby nevyužijú, tak sme asi naivní. Viaceré z našich členských krajín majú s týmito operáciami Kremľa skúsenosti. Má s nimi skúsenosti aj moja krajina Slovensko. A preto sa, samozrejme, musíme pýtať, či národnou kartou nie je ohrozená naša celoeurópska bezpečnosť, pretože o tú tu ide. Maďarsko podobnými aktivitami podrýva Schengen a ohrozuje tak svoje vlastné členstvo v ňom.</p> <p class="contents">A mne je vlastne ľúto, že ak táto situácia eskaluje, tak to ohrozí bežných Maďarov, Maďarky, ale aj ostatných bežných ľudí, ktorí žijú v prihraničných oblastiach, napríklad aj na Slovensku. Opäť si to teda odnesú ľudia. Občania ale musia vedieť, že to ani zďaleka nebude vina Bruselu. A že to bude vlastne len vina Viktora Orbána, respektíve ďalších politikov, ktorí sa jeho druhu politiky chcú strašne podobať. No nepridávajme populistom a oportunistom vážnosti. Dámy a páni, im sa vždy, samozrejme, pozornosť Európy páčila a to je dobré na ego. Ale faktom je, že sedia v kúte v Rade, sedia v kúte tuto v europarlamente a budú aj v Európskej komisii.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410674"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/197523.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:21:11&playerEndTime=20240918-16:22:45" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Łukasz Kohut (PPE).</span></span> – Panie Przewodniczący! Pani Komisarz! Powiedzmy to sobie wprost Europa nie radzi sobie z Orbánem. Od lat węgierski premier robi, co chce. U siebie podeptał państwo prawa, zniszczył wolne media i stworzył układ zamknięty. Jednak na arenie międzynarodowej przechodzi już samego siebie. Lata do Moskwy, blokuje sankcje na Rosję i wstrzymuje pomoc dla Ukrainy. Doszło nawet do tego, że dziś w obliczu wojny węgierski rząd naraża bezpieczeństwo naszych europejskich obywateli. Wpuszczają do Unii tylnymi drzwiami Rosjan i Białorusinów.</p> <p class="contents">Pani Komisarz, kto będzie winny, jeśli okaże się, że jeden z tych wpuszczonych przez Orbána Rosjan dokona sabotażu w Unii Europejskiej. Bezpośrednio oczywiście Orbán, ale pośrednio także Wy, bo popełniacie grzech zaniechania. Dokładnie jak przez lata z artykułem siódmym. Wy macie władzę, środki i obowiązek działania, i ochrony naszych europejskich obywateli. Orbán musi dostać jasny sygnał z Brukseli. Jeśli się nie wycofa, to Węgry lądują poza strefą Schengen, a wszystkie fundusze europejskie są zatrzymane, blokowane i to natychmiastowo. Orbán, tak jak Putin, jak każdy inny autokrata, rozumie tylko język siły. Koniec z polityką ustępstw wobec Orbána.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410676"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/38542.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:22:55&playerEndTime=20240918-16:25:03" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Johan Danielsson (S&D).</span></span> – Herr talman! Förra året kunde den svenska tidningen Dagens ETC avslöja hur underentreprenörer till ett av Sveriges största telekombolag låtit rysktalande arbetskraft driva runt i säkerhetskänslig infrastruktur. Utan bakgrundskontroll och för 34 kr i timmen sattes arbetarna att uppgradera svenska kommunikationsmaster.</p> <p class="contents">Det här visar ju på en sak, att när man tappar kontrollen över arbetsmarknaden så öppnas ett gigantiskt säkerhetshål som kan utnyttjas av fientliga makter. Det här är ju på riktigt idag. Vi vet att Ryssland vill genomföra och har genomfört aktioner på europeiskt territorium.</p> <p class="contents">Det räcker att se till alla de planerade sabotage som nu uppdagats runt om i Europa. Järnvägar, industrier och militära skyddsobjekt har blivit måltavlor och därför är det som nu sker i Ungern fullkomligt oacceptabelt, inte bara för Ungern utan för hela Europa. Ungern öppnar nämligen en gräddfil, särskilt för rysk och belarusisk arbetskraft, som sedan ges fri rörlighet i Europa. Säkerhetshålet på den europeiska arbetsmarknaden blir mycket större.</p> <p class="contents">Till Viktor Orbán och den ungerska regeringen skulle man vilja ställa följande fråga: Vilken arbetskraft är det ni inte kan hitta någon annanstans i Europa eller hos något vänligt inställt land, utan gör att ni måste vända er särskilt till Ryssland? Varför just nu när Ryssland bedriver ett fullskaligt anfallskrig i Ukraina? Ärligt talat så förstår jag inte.</p> <p class="contents">Och till kommissionen vill jag fråga detta: Vad kan vi här i Europaparlamentet göra för att stötta er i er granskning och se till att öka kontrollen och trygga Europas gränser i en orolig tid?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410678"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256846.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:25:11&playerEndTime=20240918-16:27:07" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Ondřej Kolář (PPE).</span></span> – Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, dear colleagues, I'm sure you've all heard or read about Ulysses, a Greek king who took part in the siege of the city of Troy, which lasted for years and was very exhausting.</p> <p class="contents">Now, Ulysses is the one who found a solution to this never-ending war. His master plan was to build a big wooden horse which was hollow on the inside and presented to the Trojans as a token of Greek appreciation and surrender. The Greek armies have falsely left the shores of Troy. Yet the big horse which was left behind was too big to fit through the gates of the city, and the Trojans had to dismantle parts of the fortification in order to get the horse through and inside the city walls. After the celebrations of Troy and victory, when the Trojans fell asleep, the hollow horse opened and Greek soldiers climbed out to signal the hidden armies, which then burned Troy to the ground.</p> <p class="contents">Now, thousands of years later, we have one of our own who is opening our door to our enemy. Yet it's happening at the same time, when the Czech Foreign Minister, Jan Lipavský, has come up with an initiative to actually ban Russian diplomats from moving freely around the EU. And I regret to say that Viktor Orbán's government is currently letting Vladimir Putin's Trojan horse inside EU walls.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410683"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">Interventions à la demande</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410680"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/124785.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:27:26&playerEndTime=20240918-16:28:08" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Maria Grapini (S&D).</span></span> – Domnule președinte, domnule comisar, am discutat aici și au fost poziții pro și contra legat de problema cardului din Ungaria și spațiul Schengen. Nu am să mai adaug nimic. Am să mă leg de ce a declarat un coleg: „cea mai mare cucerire este spațiul Schengen” și pe această declarație am să pun o întrebare Comisiei și o întrebare domnului ministru.</p> <p class="contents">Doamnă comisară, știu că nu dumneavoastră ar trebui să dați răspunsul, dar acest Parlament a votat șapte rezoluții pentru ca țara mea, România, să fie în spațiul Schengen. Dacă este cea mai mare cucerire, atunci de ce românii, milioane de români și bulgari, sunt ținuți în afara spațiului? Poate e mai sigur spațiul Schengen dacă vin ... <span class="italic">(cuvinte care nu se aud)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410682"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/124785.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:28:36&playerEndTime=20240918-16:29:09" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Maria Grapini (S&D).</span></span> – Am o întrebare pentru domnul ministru pe care tocmai l-am întâlnit astăzi. Domnule ministru, toate statele care au deținut președinția, cel puțin din 2014, de când sunt eu aici, s-au angajat în plenară că da, până la sfârșitul mandatului România va fi în Schengen. Dumneavoastră ce ne puteți spune din acest punct de vedere? Ce să spun eu cetățenilor din țara mea?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410685"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257073.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:29:17&playerEndTime=20240918-16:30:14" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Tobiasz Bocheński (ECR).</span></span> – Mr President, I am not in favour of the new Hungarian policy. We have to point out the main contradiction in our debate. If Schengen is an area of freedom, security and justice, why are Germans closing right now their borders?</p> <p class="contents">It's very convenient for the European mainstream to debate, to discuss the situation in Hungary, because Viktor Orbán is your political opponent. If you believe in principles of equality in the European Union, you have to initiate debate concerning the latest German actions. Be bold and honest. Ask them why they perceive Schengen as an area of lack of security!</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410687"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257067.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:30:25&playerEndTime=20240918-16:31:46" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Grzegorz Braun (NI).</span></span> – Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, this is a very important debate because it's not about one of the countries; it's about the whole European Union project. And as we can see, it cannot be developed without fighting sovereign nations of Europe.</p> <p class="contents">Do you really want Europe where just anybody will be telling the Prime Minister of one of our countries where to go or not to go, without even referring to him as the Prime Minister. This is really ugly. This is really nasty.</p> <p class="contents">That is why the European Union, as it is, should be overthrown. Back off! Back off everybody from us sovereign, free people! We want to remain free people, not to become euro-kołchoźniks, as some of you dream of.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410689"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/249982.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:31:53&playerEndTime=20240918-16:33:02" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Milan Mazurek (NI).</span></span> – Ja stále, kolegovia, nemôžem uveriť o tom, o čom sa vlastne rozprávame. Desať Rusov, štyria Bielorusi, ktorí dostali pracovné víza v Maďarsku. Ktorí tam majú ísť pracovať, ktorí tam majú vytvárať hodnoty, ktorí tam majú platiť dane. Kvôli tomu žiadate Maďarsko potrestať?</p> <p class="contents">Vstúpiť do jeho suverénneho rozhodnutia, nerešpektovať demokratickú vôľu maďarských občanov, dokonca zaviesť v Maďarsku hraničné kontroly či mu odňať hlasovacie práva na Európskej rade.</p> <p class="contents">Je toto vôbec mysliteľné?! A hovoria nám to tí istí europoslanci, ktorí tu v pléne bez hanby hlasujú za to, aby sme nelegálnu imigráciu zmenili na takzvanú iregulérnu. To znamená, aby sme zlegalizovali nelegálnych imigrantov, ktorí keď prichádzajú k bránam Európy, používajú násilie, aby sa sem dostali, zahadzujú svoje doklady. Nič o nich nevieme. Nevieme, či v Európe nebudú páchať násilnosti, znásilňovať ženy, páchať teroristické útoky. Ale mnohí z týchto europoslancov, ktorí volajú po potrestaní Maďarska za umožnenie týchto víz, hovoria otvorene, že títo imigranti vraj hrozbu nepredstavujú. Tak si to jednoducho nejak v tých hlavách upracte! Pretože toto je len snaha potrestať Maďarsko za to, že nerešpektuje vaše vlastné totalitné praktiky.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410691"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/257120.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:33:21&playerEndTime=20240918-16:34:27" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Diana Iovanovici Şoşoacă (NI).</span></span> – Domnule președinte, ați vorbit aici de interdicții, de drepturi, ați vorbit aici și de dictatură. Ați vorbit aici de întoarcere în timp, iar noi, cei din țările ex-comuniste, suntem sătui de dictatură. Am semnat Tratatul de aderare la Uniunea Europeană în calitate de țări independente și suverane și nu vom permite niciodată ca Uniunea Europeană să ne calce în picioare cu dubla sa măsură, în care țările puternice din Uniunea Europeană își bat joc de noi, țările mai mici și mijlocii, care am făcut parte din acel front comunist și de unde vă luați toate resursele.</p> <p class="contents">Este inacceptabil cum vă comportați cu Orbán! Este inacceptabil cum vă comportați cu cetățenii ruși, belaruși, și așa mai departe, care nu au nici o vină pentru că dumneavoastră vă certați cu guvernul lui Putin, după care, peste ani și ani, vă veți pupa și veți împărți din nou politica mondială! Este inacceptabil că vă duceți direct în dictatură!</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410693"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/256971.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:34:35&playerEndTime=20240918-16:35:50" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Lukas Sieper (NI).</span></span> – Mr President, a German tells Europe something about Schengen – maybe not the best timing, but I am not Nancy Faeser. So, dear people of Europe, dear Prime Minister Orbán, we are in fact in a state of hybrid warfare, and it hurts me to say this here, as I am a pacifist, but I am a militant pacifist. So in that state of hybrid warfare, I call out to our misled Hungarian allies and fellow Europeans, and I ask them: do you really want to open the door for the spies and the saboteurs of the enemy?</p> <p class="contents">Now the people on my left – and for the people watching from the outside, I am referring to people from the right political spectrum – will say, 'Migrants! Double standards!' So I have a question for you too: who shall we fear more? The single digit percent of migrants who commit crimes? Or a nation that already wages a war to our neighbours?</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410696"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><span class="italic">(Fin des interventions à la demande)</span></p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410695"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif" align="right" width="50" height="63" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:36:03&playerEndTime=20240918-16:39:08" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Stella Kyriakides, </span></span> <span class="italic">Member of the Commission</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Mr President, honourable Members, first of all, I want to thank you all for this important debate. We agree on the danger that is posed by Russia, and there have already been many reports of suspected Russian sabotage and espionage.</p> <p class="contents">As we have heard, and we agree in this context, it does raise questions to facilitate access to the Schengen Area for Russian citizens at risk of undermining the security of the entire Schengen Area and the trust of the Schengen states. We all know how important Schengen is for the European economy, for the way we move and for who we are.</p> <p class="contents">Now, in relation to Mr Wąsik's question, let me clarify that the military booklet has never been on the list of documents for processing visa applications for Russian citizens. The Visa Committee discussed this issue in March this year.</p> <p class="contents">One Member State proposed a provision for male citizens between the ages of 18 to 65 to present a full copy of the military service booklet. One Member State opposed, and the others did not support the idea. Therefore, the Visa Committee decided not to retain the requirement of the military booklet, with the understanding that individual Member States can require certain applicants to present the military booklet if they deem it necessary.</p> <p class="contents">The new list significantly strengthens requirements for Russian visa applicants, in line with the suspension of the Visa Facilitation Agreement that took place in February of 2022. The Commission is not aware that other Member States would have recently introduced facilitated admission procedures for work purposes for Russians. We are fully aware that there are Russians entering and staying in the Member States, and the EU law is not preventing that.</p> <p class="contents">The issue at stake is whether Member States are performing adequate security checks on them, and whether Member States recognise the elevated threats and risks and whether they act accordingly. Under the circumstances, Member States are expected to step up the level of checks rather than introduce facilitations in their entry and work permit procedures.</p> <p class="contents">We will continue our discussions with Hungary. Commissioner Johansson met yesterday here in Strasbourg with the Hungarian Minister for European Affairs, and they agreed that Hungary should come with a written reply to the remaining questions. Also, as a Union, all together we need to look at what more we can do to counter Russian subversion. I will count on your support in this important endeavour in order to keep our citizens safe.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410698"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif" align="right" width="50" height="63" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:39:14&playerEndTime=20240918-16:40:40" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">János Bóka, </span></span> <span class="italic">President-in-Office of the Council</span><span class="bold">.</span> – Mr President, honourable members, Commissioner, I have listened to the debate with great interest. I will now limit my closing remarks to the subject matter of the debate.</p> <p class="contents">I repeat that Hungary remains bound by its obligations under EU law, and that Hungary acknowledges. As such, Hungary will have to carry out all the necessary checks on third‑country nationals applying for this category of residence permit as for any other, including on security, and is bound by the relevant scrutiny procedures, namely in the context of Schengen evaluations, and that Hungary also acknowledges.</p> <p class="contents">In the discussions today, I have often heard that Hungary must provide explanations and address concerns. This prompts me to say that, in my understanding, Hungary remains ready to provide information and clarification to the European Parliament directly but has not yet received any invitation from this House to do so.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr> <tr><td width="70"> </td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="/doceo/data/img/hr.gif" width="100%" height="1" alt="" /></td><td align="right" width="16"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="buttondocwin"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><a href="#top" title="Top"><img src="/doceo/data/img/navi_top.gif" width="16" height="16" border="0" alt="" /></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></table> <a name="2017001410699"></a> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td width="70" align="center" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="photoframe_blue"><tr><td><img alt="MPphoto" src="/mepphoto/30482.jpg" align="right" width="50" height="63" onerror="this.onerror='';this.src='/doceo/data/img/photo_generic.gif'" /></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a title="Video degli interventi" href="/plenary/it/vod.html?mode=unit&vodLanguage=IT&playerStartTime=20240918-16:40:37&playerEndTime=20240918-16:40:43" target="_blank"><img width="26" height="24" src="/doceo/data/img/vod_one_speaker.gif" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table></td><td width="5"> </td><td align="left" valign="top"> <p class="contents"><img src="/doceo/data/img/arrow_summary.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="" /> <span class="doc_subtitle_level1_bis"><span class="bold">Le Président.</span></span> – Le débat est clos.</p></td><td width="16"> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"><tr class="footerdocwin"><td>Ultimo aggiornamento: 30 ottobre 2024</td><td align="right"><a target="_blank" href="/legal-notice/it">Note legali</a> - <a target="_blank" href="/privacy-policy/it">Informativa sulla privacy</a></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>