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href="/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy/Archive_5" title="User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy/Archive_6" title="User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy/Archive 6">6</a> </p> </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy/" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="25-50-25" data-mw-thread-id="h-25-50-25"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-25-50-25"></span>25-50-25<span data-mw-comment-end="h-25-50-25"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: 25-50-25"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><ul><li>25% of people will be mad at you (or unteachable) no matter what you do, so don't waste your time trying to change them.</li> <li>25% of people will be thrilled with you (or self-directed learners) so don't waste your time trying to change them.</li> <li>Just focus on the 50% where you can make a difference.</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about" data-mw-thread-id="h-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z"></span>DS Alerts I already know about<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: DS Alerts I already know about"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about"></span>If you've stopped by to DS Alert me.... I already know about the following.... <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-11T18:34:00.000Z-DS_Alerts_I_already_know_about"></span> </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="box-Notice plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Commons-emblem-notice.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Notice"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/40px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/60px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/80px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">This user is aware of the designation of the following topics as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics</a>: <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Climate_change" title="Climate change">climate change</a></li> <li>post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people</li> <li>articles about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons">living or recently deceased people</a>, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles</li> <li>the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour</li> <li>the English Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Manual of Style</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles" title="Wikipedia:Article titles">article titles policy</a></li> <li>the Balkans or Eastern Europe</li></ul> They <strong>should <em>not</em> be given <a href="/wiki/Template:Alert" title="Template:Alert">alerts</a></strong> for those areas.</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DS_review_process_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-DS_review_process_2021-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DS_review_process_2021-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z"></span>DS review process 2021<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DS_review_process_2021-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: DS review process 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z-DS_review_process_2021"></span>Entirely by accident, I just stumbled across this when I saw it on someone else's talk page. I would have contributed in the "consultation" phase, but I was wikihibernating and didn't know about it. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021_review" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021 review">Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021_review</a>. In case anyone else doesn't know about it and happens to come by my talk, I thought I'd put this here and invite you to start following that process also. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z-DS_review_process_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z-DS_review_process_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-14T00:48:00.000Z-DS_review_process_2021"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apologies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apologies-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apologies-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Apologies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apologies-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Apologies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z-Apologies"></span>Just wanted to say please forgive my blathering. As you might suspect, we wandered into an area of interest for me. All the same, you make good points, and as I say, happy to go wherever consensus takes us. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Dumuzid" title="User:Dumuzid">Dumuzid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dumuzid" title="User talk:Dumuzid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z-Apologies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z-Apologies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z-Apologies"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Please don't apologize, it was much more valuable than many (most?) content discussions I have here! There's nothing more boring as an occassional so called "nontraditional" (read= <em>old</em>) student that to sit in a potentially awesome class with a bunch of dullards who won't ever speak or raise their hand. If we disagree then I'll learn in the process, so the only apology I'm willing to accept is if sometime you realize you had something constructive to add, even if to disagree, but didn't. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z-Dumuzid-2022-06-18T23:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Very well said and worthy of being framed and hung on the wall. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Valjean" title="User:Valjean">Valjean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valjean" title="User talk:Valjean">talk</a>) (<i><b><a href="/wiki/Help:Notifications" title="Help:Notifications">PING me</a></b></i>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T00:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z"></span>Hmmmm.... dartboard? Face of a faux coo-coo clock? My the ideas are endless. When my kid was in gradeschool one day I used a big 10-penny nail to hammer a walnut to the kitchen wall. I mean, where ELSE would you store your walnuts? <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T06:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span>LMFAO! If your kid had a strong philosophical streak, that nailed walnut might have been the trigger to a great work of philosophy. A hook to hang ideas on. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Valjean" title="User:Valjean">Valjean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valjean" title="User talk:Valjean">talk</a>) (<i><b><a href="/wiki/Help:Notifications" title="Help:Notifications">PING me</a></b></i>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z"></span>You know how things like this become familiar and sort of disappear in our awareness? The mangled nut with the two inches of nail shank protruding captured their attention a couple years later. Shaking their head they said, "Even when I was <em>really</em> little I knew you were a nut, but MY GOD you have truly cracked up!!" <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:52:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z"></span>Chuckle. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Valjean" title="User:Valjean">Valjean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valjean" title="User talk:Valjean">talk</a>) (<i><b><a href="/wiki/Help:Notifications" title="Help:Notifications">PING me</a></b></i>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:52:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:52:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valjean-2022-06-19T10:52:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-19T10:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apologies_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apologies_2-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apologies_2-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Apologies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apologies_2-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Apologies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z-Apologies_2"></span>Apologies for this edit (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=1095216173">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=1095216173</a>), I didn't see it that you unarchived it yourself in the edit summary. Somehow, my browser was still at an older version which I opened hours ago and somehow didn't update. Thanks and sorry for the mistake! <a href="/wiki/User:VickKiang" title="User:VickKiang">VickKiang</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VickKiang" title="User talk:VickKiang">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z-Apologies_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z-Apologies_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z-Apologies_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z"></span>Heh... I didn't even notice until you said something. No worries, it was MY mistake after all. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-06-27T03:43:00.000Z-VickKiang-2022-06-27T07:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mobile_view" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mobile_view-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mobile_view-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"></span>Mobile view<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mobile_view-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Mobile view"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z-Mobile_view"></span>At the bottom of every page there's a toggle button to go back and forth between mobile and desktop. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue"><a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a></span>-<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/15px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/30px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="650" data-file-height="650"/></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z-Mobile_view" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z-Mobile_view"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z-Mobile_view"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"></span>Well, who knew? Next time I lose my keys I'll scroll down and see if those are lurking down there, too. I've since realized my desktop browser (firefox) has a built in "responsive design mode" allowing one to make the monitor behave like a long list of mobile devices. By combining both that link and this feature I'm able to do what I had hoped.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I'm curious.... I see the info box at <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a> behaving like you recently described, i.e., pretending to be on a iphone it appears after the lead first paragraph. However, at <a href="/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack_public_hearings" class="mw-redirect" title="United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack public hearings">United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack_public_hearings</a> the similar box in the lead simply does not appear, at least it doesn't intefere with the lead. does not behave that way. The box on Donald Trump derives from <dl><dd><ul><li>{{Infobox officeholder | (many parameters)}} </li> <li>{{2021 United States Capitol attack|expanded=Investigations and charges}}</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>From the user's point of view these two boxes look pretty much alike. So why doesn't the code treat them the same?</dd></dl> <dl><dd>And last, is there a place in wikiworld where one can get training or help to be better a better responsive design savvy editor?</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T17:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z"></span>sidebar ‎Navboxs are not seen in mobile view because they just spam overlinking...but an infobox has real data that is usefull to readers. In Canada articles we use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:If_mobile" title="Template:If mobile">if mobile</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> alot. See <a href="/wiki/Wildlife_of_Canada" title="Wildlife of Canada">Wildlife of Canada</a> or <a href="/wiki/Culture_of_Canada" title="Culture of Canada">Culture of Canada</a> in both views. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue"><a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a></span>-<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/15px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/30px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="650" data-file-height="650"/></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z-NewsAndEventsGuy-2022-07-04T17:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femkemilene-2022-07-09T16:47:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z"></span>This is really useful, thanks Moxy :). <a href="/wiki/User:Femkemilene" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Femkemilene">Femke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femkemilene" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Femkemilene">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Femkemilene-2022-07-09T16:47:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femkemilene-2022-07-09T16:47:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femkemilene-2022-07-09T16:47:00.000Z-Moxy-2022-07-04T21:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="July_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_2022-20220728225400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_2022-20220728225400"></span>July 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_2022-20220728225400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: July 2022"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803202300-July_2022"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235681985">.mw-parser-output .side-box{margin:4px 0;box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #aaa;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);display:flow-root}.mw-parser-output .side-box-abovebelow,.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{padding:0.25em 0.9em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-image{padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-imageright{padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .side-box-flex{display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{flex:1;min-width:0}}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .side-box{width:238px}.mw-parser-output .side-box-right{clear:right;float:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-left{margin-right:1em}}</style><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">I bungled my response to an ed expressing suicidal ideation. I was appropriately blocked but the important thing is the subsquent discussion. Please join as at the current venue (see below) <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803202300-July_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803202300-July_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803202300-July_2022"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20220728225400-July_2022"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>You have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a></b> from editing for a period of <b>48 hours</b> for making <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">personal attacks towards other editors</a>. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">make useful contributions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin">User talk:Tamzin</a> 22:53, 28 July 2022 </p> <ul><li>Do not insert yourself into other editors' medical decisions. Do not give them "homework assignment"s regarding mental health care without their consent. Do not, when they give answers that you do not like, accuse them of "gaslighting" or being an "emotional vampire" or "emotional leech". If you have that level of concern with an editor's conduct, raise the matter at AN or AN/I as a straightforward user conduct issue, without such hyperbolic langage. I considered leaving this at a warning, but these comments were <i>far</i> over the line, and you've been here a decade, so I don't think you need me to put you on notice as to the existence of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a>. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Tamzin-20220728225400-July_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20220728225400-July_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20220728225400-July_2022"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500-Tamzin-20220728225400"></span>Thank you and I appreciate this. Do we have a policy for dealing with on the one hand and supporting on the other, eds who routinely make comments that raise suicide risk red flags to people who know about this field of medicine? I mean, a specific one, that is. If we don't, has that idea ever been discussed somewhere? <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500-Tamzin-20220728225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500-Tamzin-20220728225400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500-Tamzin-20220728225400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20220728232400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500"></span>I'm afraid no, we don't have a good comprehensive set of options for dealing with suicidal editors. For outright suicide threats (not "I've been suicidal lately" but "I'm going to do it tonight"), the WMF takes jurisdiction under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EMERGENCY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EMERGENCY">WP:EMERGENCY</a>, and local oversighters support by suppressing the threats themselves (both to avoid <a href="/wiki/Suicide_contagion" class="mw-redirect" title="Suicide contagion">suicide contagion</a> and because a suicidal person can't be said to have meaningfully consented to saying that.) But for things that aren't really an imminent threat, it's more an <i>ad hoc</i> mixture of administrative actions. If you'd like me to have a word with GoodDay and say that saying that sort of thing makes people uncomfortable and asking that he not, I can. I'd say that's step one in distinguishing between whether someone is being manipulative or just trying to be honest about how they feel.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Incidentally, I do have an essay, <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin/Guidance_for_editors_with_mental_illnesses" title="User:Tamzin/Guidance for editors with mental illnesses">User:Tamzin/Guidance for editors with mental illnesses</a>, which also has advice on dealing with such editors. I've been thinking of spinning it out into a projectspace essay (maybe <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_and_mental_illness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia and mental illness (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Wikipedia and mental illness</a>) meant as a half-rebuttal-to/half-concurrence-with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTHERAPY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTHERAPY">WP:NOTTHERAPY</a>. Thoughts welcome. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Tamzin-20220728232400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20220728232400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20220728232400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220728231500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220731002800-Tamzin-20220728232400"></span>I appreciate that you care about these issues. And I appreciate that you offered to talk to the other editor. However if you describe my feelings as <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"uncomfortable"</q>, that would be untrue, and now that I have told you if you say it anyway it would be a lie. I'm happy to help you understand what my true feelings about this are/were, but only by email so you don't interpret such comments as another NPA violation and block me again. If you want to understand where I'm coming from, I would welcome that email-based discussion. I'm going to break the ice by emailing you a wiki diff to this comment, so I will expose my email address first. It's up to you if you want to pursue better understanding about this exchange. If not, that's OK, but if you choose that option please recuse from future admin action towards me about anything. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220731002800-Tamzin-20220728232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220731002800-Tamzin-20220728232400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220731002800-Tamzin-20220728232400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400-July_2022"></span>The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <p>As of Aug 3, 2022, discussion of the underlying <b>potentially life-saving</b> issues has migrated to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Responding_to_threats_of_harm" title="Wikipedia talk:Responding to threats of harm">Wikipedia_talk:Resonding to threats of harm</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400-July_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400-July_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400-July_2022"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20220804100100-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400"></span>I've replied to your email. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A;">cetacean needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Tamzin-20220804100100-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20220804100100-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20220804100100-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803201400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700-Tamzin-20220804100100"></span>Great I'll take a look in a few hours.<a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700-Tamzin-20220804100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700-Tamzin-20220804100100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700-Tamzin-20220804100100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804233200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700"></span>Replied.<a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804233200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804233200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220804101700"><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800-C_fred_ds_alert"></span>My goodness, what has happened? <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800-C_fred_ds_alert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800-C_fred_ds_alert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800-C_fred_ds_alert"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800"></span>Please elaborate, or just delete this whole thread. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100-Deepfriedokra-20220803193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100"></span>I was wondering what prompted the DS alert. As you say, please elaborate <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803194100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800"></span>Sure, for the sake of 3rd party lurkers, the DS Alert is a no-fault FYI and nothing more. I'm sure you know that.... incidentally I detest Okra UNLESS it is in my gumbo recipe that is so super secret I haven't been able to duplicate it, but that one batch was...... to die for. Anyway.... C. Fred was editing a political candidate's BLP and that's all it takes to get a DS alert. Just sticking one's toe in the water of a topic to which DS applied. When the old fault-based WARNING system was overhauled in 2013, I unsuccessfully lobbied for a bot to auto-issue the DS alert whenever <i>anyone</i> made an edit in articls/talk pages that were tagged as belonging to the topic. My sense is that the no-fault system best works without drama or battleground templating when there is <i>ubiquity</i>. In this case, I confess, I got lazy and didn't include the other involved eds. I would ordinarily point you to the article edits and associated talk page edits but with the intent of doubling down on the no-fault nature of the DS Alert I choose to not do that. Instead, I want to re-emphasize that by issuing the FYI alert I am in no way suggesting any transgression, so if you really really want to know for intellectual curiosity and acknowledge that it was just an FYI template, then I will provide those diffs. I just want to dot these i's and cross those t's so we're all on the same page.... it was just an FYI nothing more. But it <i>does</i> start a 12-month clock of "awareness" as to the ARBCOM decision on US politics. If you want to figure it out on your own, use the editor interaction tool. But I'll share those details, if we document there's no sparks, just an FYI. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200-Deepfriedokra-20220803194800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200"></span>Thanks. I was worried. There are some subjects I wish we auto-alerted for. Sigh. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803200200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803204700-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400"></span>If the ARBS feel they must issue edicts, then I share your desire on each and every of those topics. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803204700-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803204700-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220803204700-Deepfriedokra-20220803201400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI-20220807024400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI-20220807024400"></span>ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI-20220807024400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400-ANI"></span>There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:Anythingyouwant" title="User:Anythingyouwant"> Anythingyouwant</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anythingyouwant" title="User talk:Anythingyouwant">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400-ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400-ANI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400-ANI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220808115400-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400"></span>Pinpoint link for convenience <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:NewsAndEventsGuy" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:NewsAndEventsGuy</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220808115400-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220808115400-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20220808115400-Anythingyouwant-20220807024400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you-20221116165200"><span id="You.E2.80.99ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you-20221116165200"></span>You’ve been mentioned in an SPI making accusations against you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you-20221116165200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: You’ve been mentioned in an SPI making accusations against you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1250141580"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235681985"><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">Case, at least with respect to myself, was closed with my "exoneration". <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.215.18.76-20221116165200-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NewsAndEventsGuy&diff=1122250005&oldid=1122173103">You were mentioned here</a>.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NewsAndEventsGuy&diff=1122250005&oldid=1122173103">[1]</a> It doesn’t seem that the editor making accusations against you properly informed you of his SPI against you (which could have the effect of a banning a member). Advising you boomerang this to ANI to have his TBAN reinstated since it’s obvious he is scapegoating you for his ongoing soapbox against Wikipedia refusing to drive his NPOV agenda. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.215.18.76" title="Special:Contributions/174.215.18.76">174.215.18.76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.215.18.76" title="User talk:174.215.18.76">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-174.215.18.76-20221116165200-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.215.18.76-20221116165200-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.215.18.76-20221116165200-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200-174.215.18.76-20221116165200"></span>Thanks for the head's up. I'm not sure if the SPI allegation is comical or pathetic, but either way it is surely toxic. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200-174.215.18.76-20221116165200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200-174.215.18.76-20221116165200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200-174.215.18.76-20221116165200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117160200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200"></span>Just noting that this has spread to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10">User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#NPA</a> and <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#DS_Alert_US_Politics" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10">User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10#DS_Alert_US_Politics</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117160200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117160200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117160200-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221117021200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20221121102100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span>In a truly soap-opera-esque twist, your alleged sox are actually sox of this very IP. <code>:D</code> All sorted now, for some value of sorted. Histmerged without redirect to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ethiopique" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ethiopique">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ethiopique</a>. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Tamzin-20221121102100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20221121102100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20221121102100-You’ve_been_mentioned_in_an_SPI_making_accusations_against_you"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123230800-Tamzin-20221121102100"></span>oh, now I get it. The OP of this thread is one of the socks making trouble. Got it. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123230800-Tamzin-20221121102100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123230800-Tamzin-20221121102100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123230800-Tamzin-20221121102100"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections" data-mw-thread-id="h-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections-20221118005700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections-20221118005700"></span>2022 United States House of Representatives elections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections-20221118005700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: 2022 United States House of Representatives elections"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231400-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1250141580"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235681985"><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">Well, I see the other user ran afoul of our P&G so I guess this is done. Be careful about how you characterize these trouble makers going forward. It can be a blurry line between dealing with disruption and making personal attacks yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231400-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231400-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221123231400-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>We meet again. <a href="/wiki/User:Flora_Wilshire" title="User:Flora Wilshire">User:Flora Wilshire</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Flora_Wilshire" title="Special:Contributions/Flora Wilshire">has a history</a> of ignoring reverts and pushing their version, which is usually a criticism of America or praise of the Chinese government. </p><p>I can see why you would consider "known POV editor" to be a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS">WP:ASPERSIONS</a>, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a> says casting aspersions would be, "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links". </p><p>I'm happy to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Censorship_in_China&oldid=1122486541">link</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_defunct_media_due_to_Hong_Kong_national_security_law&oldid=1122486334">to</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_websites_blocked_in_Mainland_China&oldid=1122320088">these diffs</a> to stand by what I said. </p><p>On the other hand, I'm curious what you would consider to be a more acceptable way to explain someone's editing history in an edit summary. I try consistently to explain edits, especially reversions. <a href="/wiki/User:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Augusthorsesdroppings10">Augusthorsesdroppings10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700-2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOC">WP:FOC</a> and next time you do an edit, bear that in mind and you will have an easier time here. (For third parties who may be interested in the background see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections&diff=prev&oldid=1122510585">this</a>)....<a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118005700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025000-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"></span>Sorry that I broke the red box, I did not realize I did that.</dd> <dd>I presume you're fine with me reinstating my edit to the article, so I have. <a href="/wiki/User:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Augusthorsesdroppings10">Augusthorsesdroppings10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025000-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025000-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025000-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"></span>Also @<a href="/wiki/User:Flora_Wilshire" title="User:Flora Wilshire">Flora Wilshire</a> was the editor we were talking about. I forgot to ping her, but she still found this discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Augusthorsesdroppings10">Augusthorsesdroppings10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Augusthorsesdroppings10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300-NewsAndEventsGuy-20221118010700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flora_Wilshire-20221118025700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300"></span>I still got the initial notification.</dd> <dd>(P.S. I'm a male whose preferred pronouns are he/him, will edit the user page to clarify!) <a href="/wiki/User:Flora_Wilshire" title="User:Flora Wilshire">Flora Wilshire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flora_Wilshire" title="User talk:Flora Wilshire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Flora_Wilshire-20221118025700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flora_Wilshire-20221118025700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flora_Wilshire-20221118025700-Augusthorsesdroppings10-20221118025300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. </p><p>Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. </p> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">voorts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voorts" title="User talk:Voorts">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Voorts" title="Special:Contributions/Voorts">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Voorts-20230429021900-Nomination_of_Sabato's_Crystal_Ball_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voorts-20230429021900-Nomination_of_Sabato's_Crystal_Ball_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voorts-20230429021900-Nomination_of_Sabato's_Crystal_Ball_for_deletion"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform-20230806194400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform-20230806194400"></span>About <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP</a> and DS reform<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform-20230806194400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: About WP:CTOP and DS reform"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230806194400-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform"></span>It's so nice to see you around still! I saw you give <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASidney_Oldberg&diff=1168634340&oldid=1168563341">out an old DS notice</a>. You may have missed the conclusion of the recent DS reforms. The wording DS is now replaced with the more intuitive CT (contentious topic). The way notifications are done is changed in two ways too: </p> <ol><li>We only have to give a notice once per topic (no more yearly renewals)</li> <li>The very first notice somebody gets is different and has much more info. You'd use {{alert/first|cc}}, which gives you the long text you can read at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Alert/first" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Alert/first">alert/first</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</li></ol> <p>Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Femke-20230806194400-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230806194400-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230806194400-About_WP:CTOP_and_DS_reform"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100-Femke-20230806194400"></span>Appreciate you saying hello and the howto tip. To be honest, it was momentary relapse, only. Carry on. <a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100-Femke-20230806194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100-Femke-20230806194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100-Femke-20230806194400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-185.93.53.182-20231008033800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100"></span>@ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.93.53.182" title="Special:Contributions/185.93.53.182">185.93.53.182</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:185.93.53.182&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:185.93.53.182 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-185.93.53.182-20231008033800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-185.93.53.182-20231008033800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-185.93.53.182-20231008033800-NewsAndEventsGuy-20230814193100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128004000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128004000"></span>ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-20231128004000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #AAA; background-color: ivory; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center;"> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em; flex: 1 0 40px; max-width: 100px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128004000-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello! 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Did you ever find an answer?— <a href="/wiki/User:Vchimpanzee" title="User:Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vchimpanzee" title="User talk:Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee" title="Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee"><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300-Your_Teahouse_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300-Your_Teahouse_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300-Your_Teahouse_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20240306031000-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300"></span>Nope<a href="/wiki/User:NewsAndEventsGuy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:NewsAndEventsGuy">NewsAndEventsGuy</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20240306031000-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20240306031000-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NewsAndEventsGuy-20240306031000-Vchimpanzee-20231128224300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Precious_anniversary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Precious_anniversary-20231129172500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Precious_anniversary-20231129172500"></span>Precious anniversary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Precious_anniversary-20231129172500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Precious anniversary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20231129172500-Precious_anniversary"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; 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