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Sections older than <b>30 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III" title="User:ClueBot III">ClueBot III</a></span> when more than 4 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections" data-mw-thread-id="h-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections-20241014012500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections-20241014012500"></span>Best Practices for Teaching Students to Write Effective Lead Sections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections-20241014012500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"></span>Hello everyone, </p><p>I am an instructor guiding students in composing medical articles for Wikipedia. Currently, I am focused on updating our guidelines and have several questions that I hope you can help with. My questions here are generic questions concerning the lead section. </p><p>In our academic setting, we emphasize the importance of supporting claims with citations, and our grading reflects this by marking down submissions that lack adequate citations. However, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section">Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section</a> suggests that while the lead should be well-sourced, citations are commonly found in the body of the article rather than the lead. </p><p>Q1: Are we being too stringent expecting our students to include citations in the lead section since this is not an expectation from Wikipedia? Is it a major problem if they do provide citations throughout the lead? What justification can we provide for not including citations in this section? </p><p>My second question is on structuring. We currently teach our students that the lead section should not only summarise the main content but also reflect the order of that content as presented in the body of the article. We use Wikipedia's "featured articles" as exemplars and models for this. However, we recognise that Wikipedia articles are subject to ongoing edits and updates that may shift the content and structure over time. This dynamic nature can lead to discrepancies between the lead and the body of an article, especially if the lead does not consistently mirror updates made to the article's main content. </p><p>Given this: </p><p>Q1: Are we guiding students correctly on the arrangement and order of information in the lead? </p><p>Q2: When significant changes are made to the body of an article, is it a common or recommended practice to revise the lead accordingly to ensure it remains an accurate and concise summary of the article and mirrors the order of the content? </p><p>Thank you in advance for your advice and suggestions! <a href="/wiki/User:G.J.ThomThom" title="User:G.J.ThomThom">G.J.ThomThom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:G.J.ThomThom" title="User talk:G.J.ThomThom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:G.J.ThomThom" title="User:G.J.ThomThom">G.J.ThomThom</a> I personally enjoy the essay <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_and_manage_a_good_lead_section" title="Wikipedia:How to create and manage a good lead section">Wikipedia:How to create and manage a good lead section</a>, I highly suggest you take a look at it as it covers a lot of these smaller details. In general if content is sourced in the body of the article it does not need to be cited in the lead. The exeption to this is controversial material. However quite a few medical articles will have citations in the lead because pretty much anything in the feild of medicine can be considered controverial in a way. As far as order I do typically follow the order of the body of the article but I don't think that is a strict rule. If siginificant changes are made to the body the lead should reflect that as well. <a href="/wiki/User:IntentionallyDense" title="User:IntentionallyDense">IntentionallyDense</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IntentionallyDense" title="User talk:IntentionallyDense">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500"></span>Firstly, thanks for the link! We've had disagreements as teachers about what we mark down re citations. We understand that citations are required if the points being made are controversial but alas it's not always easy to identify if the content is controversial. So far we have told them, if in doubt, cite! Secondly, I take on board your suggestion regarding stubs. This is something I will bring to the team <a href="/wiki/User:G.J.ThomThom" title="User:G.J.ThomThom">G.J.ThomThom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:G.J.ThomThom" title="User talk:G.J.ThomThom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600-IntentionallyDense-20241014021500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014023900-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600"></span>I would generally agree that with medical content it's better to cite than not to cite. <a href="/wiki/User:IntentionallyDense" title="User:IntentionallyDense">IntentionallyDense</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IntentionallyDense" title="User talk:IntentionallyDense">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-IntentionallyDense-20241014023900-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014023900-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IntentionallyDense-20241014023900-G.J.ThomThom-20241014022600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241014053600-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"></span>First, your course on medical topics is relevant to two boards, this one, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">wP:MEDRS</a>, but given that most of your questions are about citations, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> is the governing principle here and this discussion would have been much better placed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MEDRS">WT:MEDRS</a>, and not here, in order to get definitive answers to your citation questions. I urge you to move it there (see <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Discussion_moved_to" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Discussion moved to">Discussion moved to</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>; if you agree to move it but need technical assistance to do so, just ask).</dd> <dd>Briefly: <ul><li>Too stringent? – maybe, but they don't hurt, and no one will complain unless you pile up five at a time. There is no guideline saying you cannot place citations in the lead, so your are not violating anything by doing so.</li> <li>Order: the lead need not follow the same order as the body, though often it does. Editing order is: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEADFOLLOWSBODY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEADFOLLOWSBODY">body first, lead second</a> (because it is a summary of the most important points of the body).</li> <li>Discrepancies: Yes, revise the lead after altering the body if the changes there significantly alter the most important points of the body. A great many body edits will not be in this category, and require no changes to the lead. A typical newbie mistake is to head straight for the lead and start altering it (or worse, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEADSENTENCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEADSENTENCE">lead sentence</a>, with no consideration for the body. I have often thought it would be useful to programmatically prohibit lead changes from new users, but there is no general support for that view that I am aware of, though it would save many experienced editors lots of time undoing edits to the lead by new users.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Think about moving this. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-Mathglot-20241014053600-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241014053600-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241014053600-G.J.ThomThom-20241014012500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014123800-Mathglot-20241014053600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> Happy to move this and yes to technical assistance please <a href="/wiki/User:G.J.ThomThom" title="User:G.J.ThomThom">G.J.ThomThom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:G.J.ThomThom" title="User talk:G.J.ThomThom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014123800-Mathglot-20241014053600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014123800-Mathglot-20241014053600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-G.J.ThomThom-20241014123800-Mathglot-20241014053600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016174500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine § Best Practices for Teaching Students to Write Effective Lead Sections</a></div></div> <dl><dd>Please add your comments and feedback there, not here (unless specifically relevant to ENB and not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MED">WP:MED</a>). Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-Mathglot-20241016174500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016174500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016174500-Best_Practices_for_Teaching_Students_to_Write_Effective_Lead_Sections"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art-20241216231500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art-20241216231500"></span>Sudden spate of userspace school essays with AI art<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art-20241216231500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJPMaster-20241216231500-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art"></span>There is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">discussion</a> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Administrators' noticeboard</a> that is relevant to Wiki Ed. <a href="/wiki/User:JJPMaster" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="/wiki/She_(pronoun)" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="/wiki/Singular_they" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-JJPMaster-20241216231500-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241216231500-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJPMaster-20241216231500-Sudden_spate_of_userspace_school_essays_with_AI_art"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project." data-mw-thread-id="h-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project-20241218185500"><span id="Disruptive.2C_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project-20241218185500"></span>Disruptive, possibly automated edits to talk pages originating from this project.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project-20241218185500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"></span>Hi -- since late 2021, there has been an absolutely rampant problem with unconstructive edits made to talk pages, and several of them seem to originate with this program. Some relevant diffs can be seen <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff/Archived_talk_pages_with_undetected_bad_edits#likely_text-to-speech/LLM_test_edits_(standalone)" title="User:Gnomingstuff/Archived talk pages with undetected bad edits">in this list</a>. This is a small sample I happen to have around -- I have been reverting them when possible, but unfortunately if they are not caught before the archive bot then they're stuck there forever thanks to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Request_for_comment:_Do_the_guidelines_in_WP:TPO_also_apply_to_archived_talk_pages?" title="Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines">this</a>. </p><p>These edits often, but not always, follow a pattern and are thus easy to find. They are usually on pages related to school curriculum and usually they come from IPs. Their header is a subject area, e.g., "Math," and the text is something unconstructive, e.g., "English" or "Difine governance with Example." It's not quite the same issue as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard/Incidents/Archive_2#Inappropriate_use_of_article_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Incidents/Archive 2">this</a>, as the edits are far more nonsensical and fragmented, and lack even the marginal usefulness those had. Sometimes they seem to be exam questions or prompts, e.g., "Tick the correct answer". </p><p>I suspect that many of these originate with text-to-speech or LLMs given the date they started pouring in (GPT-3 released 2020). And I do mean pouring in, like from a couple dozen to thousands. (It's possible that this was still really common before 2021 and people just caught them already, but I doubt that because the pattern of undetected vandalism/test edits on talk pages is usually the opposite, i.e., the majority of unreverted vandalism/unconstructive edits to talk pages are from 2006-2010, with the exception of this stuff.) </p><p>Is there any way to stop this? Obviously we can't control people's behavior, but the pattern of these edits is so regular that it seems like something automated might be causing it. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_(Wiki_Ed)-20241218191300-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> These don't look like the kinds of edits I see student editors making - if it was coming from them, I imagine there would be a mixture of logged-in and IP edits of this type. I just don't see student editors logging out specifically to make these kinds of edits. <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:Ian (Wiki Ed)">Ian (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:Ian (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-Ian_(Wiki_Ed)-20241218191300-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_(Wiki_Ed)-20241218191300-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_(Wiki_Ed)-20241218191300-Gnomingstuff-20241218185500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218192600-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"></span>That makes sense, thanks! It's a much broader problem than just school-related articles. A lot of them do seem to be pretty clearly related to class assignments though and/or are on pages with the "this page was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation" notice, so I just wanted to flag it just in case. (edit) <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1157558175" title="Special:Diff/1157558175">This diff</a> is a good example of what I mean, "today's lesson."</dd> <dd>IP edits seem to be much more common than logged-in users although I do see them from logged-in accounts occasionally.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#c-Gnomingstuff-20241218192600-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218192600-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnomingstuff-20241218192600-Disruptive,_possibly_automated_edits_to_talk_pages_originating_from_this_project"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="University_of_Goce_Delcev,_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-commerce_companies." data-mw-thread-id="h-University_of_Goce_Delcev,_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-c-20250210144400"><span id="University_of_Goce_Delcev.2C_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-commerce_companies."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-University_of_Goce_Delcev,_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-c-20250210144400"></span>University of Goce Delcev, Stip tasked students to write drafts on Slovenian e-commerce companies.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-University_of_Goce_Delcev,_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-c-20250210144400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20250210144400-University_of_Goce_Delcev,_Stip_tasked_students_to_write_drafts_on_Slovenian_e-c"></span>Heads up: Had a user come into #wikipedia-en-help regarding their draft at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Capucinne_Jewelry" title="Draft:Capucinne Jewelry">Draft:Capucinne_Jewelry</a>. They confirmed they weren't a paid editor (despite making the declaration - they just thought they had to do that after receiving the warning) and have been tasked by their professor to write articles on Slovenian e-commerce companies: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>I'm student and I have to prepare article for a small company in slovenia as university project. It's kind of an pre examp project. My professor said that we need to write an article for some ecommerce company from slovenia, just so he can see what kind of research we can do. 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