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id="toc-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_discussing_the_units,_and_articles_in_which_they_are_employed_by_the_primary_cited_source" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_discussing_the_units,_and_articles_in_which_they_are_employed_by_the_primary_cited_source"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.1</span> <span>IEC units shall <i>not</i> routinely be used, except in quotes, articles specifically discussing the units, and articles in which they are employed by the primary cited source</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_discussing_the_units,_and_articles_in_which_they_are_employed_by_the_primary_cited_source-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_require_their_use" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_require_their_use"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.2</span> <span>IEC units should be banned from wikipedia outright, except where policy would require their use</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_require_their_use-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_discussing_the_units_themselves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_discussing_the_units_themselves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.3</span> <span>IEC units should be banned except for direct, verbatim quotes, and articles discussing the units themselves</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_discussing_the_units_themselves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_sources_for_an_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_sources_for_an_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.4</span> <span>IEC units should be discouraged, except where they are widely used by the sources for an article</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_sources_for_an_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.5</span> <span>IEC units are good, and should be used wherever feasible</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal_choice_for_disambiguation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal_choice_for_disambiguation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.6</span> <span>IEC units should <i>not</i> be used in the general text of an article, but are an ideal choice for disambiguation</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal_choice_for_disambiguation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.7</span> <span>SI-style byte multiples should be disambiguated as appropriate</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_close_repetitions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_close_repetitions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.8</span> <span>SI-style byte multiples should be disambiguated at every occurrence, except close repetitions</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_close_repetitions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is_speaking_about_RAM,_HDD,_etc,_where_the_meaning_is_generally_"obvious"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is_speaking_about_RAM,_HDD,_etc,_where_the_meaning_is_generally_"obvious""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.9</span> <span>SI-style byte multiples do <i>not</i> need disambiguation where it is clear that one is speaking about RAM, HDD, etc, where the meaning is generally "obvious"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is_speaking_about_RAM,_HDD,_etc,_where_the_meaning_is_generally_"obvious"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.10</span> <span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) is ambiguous</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.11</span> <span>The word “mebibyte” (symbol MiB) is ambiguous</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.12</span> <span>The word “mebibyte” (symbol MiB) is <i>not</i> widely recognized by the typical Wikipedia reader</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.13</span> <span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) <b>is</b> widely recognized by the typical Wikipedia reader</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.14</span> <span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) is <i>not</i> widely understood by the typical Wikipedia reader</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_unit_used_to_measure_the_size_of_large_files_on_a_PC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_unit_used_to_measure_the_size_of_large_files_on_a_PC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.15</span> <span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is a unit used to measure the size of large files on a PC</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_unit_used_to_measure_the_size_of_large_files_on_a_PC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_roughly_a_million_bytes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_roughly_a_million_bytes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.16</span> <span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is roughly a million bytes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_roughly_a_million_bytes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.17</span> <span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is sometimes a million bytes, sometimes 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes depending on the context</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context,_and_know_how_to_work_it_out_from_the_context" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context,_and_know_how_to_work_it_out_from_the_context"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.18</span> <span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is sometimes a million bytes, sometimes 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes depending on the context, and know how to work it out from the context</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context,_and_know_how_to_work_it_out_from_the_context-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.19</span> <span>Disambiguation of “megabyte” should be encouraged</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.20</span> <span>Disambiguation of “mebibyte” should be encouraged</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.21</span> <span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to specify an exact number of bytes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("binary_megabyte"_or_"decimal_megabyte")" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("binary_megabyte"_or_"decimal_megabyte")"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.22</span> <span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to precede it with an adjective like "decimal" or "binary" ("binary megabyte" or "decimal megabyte")</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("binary_megabyte"_or_"decimal_megabyte")-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("decimal_megabyte"_or_"binary_megabyte")" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("decimal_megabyte"_or_"binary_megabyte")"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.23</span> <span>An acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to precede it with an adjective like "decimal" or "binary" ("decimal megabyte" or "binary megabyte")</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("decimal_megabyte"_or_"binary_megabyte")-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.24</span> <span>Specifying an exact number of bytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.25</span> <span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to specify an exact number of mebibytes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.26</span> <span>Specifying an exact number of mebibytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_"megabyte"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_"megabyte""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.27</span> <span>Specifying an approximate number of mebibytes – e.g. 64MB (61MiB) – is an acceptable method to disambiguate "megabyte"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_"megabyte"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by_article_basis" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by_article_basis"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.28</span> <span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is by consensus on an article by article basis</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by_article_basis-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.29</span> <span>"Megabyte" should be consistently used to denote 1 million bytes in all articles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_220_bytes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_220_bytes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.30</span> <span>"Megabyte"/MB is widely used in non-scientific/non-specialist literature (magazines, advertisements, product specifications) to mean 2<sup>20</sup> bytes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_220_bytes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_one_million_bytes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_one_million_bytes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.31</span> <span>"Megabyte"/MB is widely used in non-scientific/non-specialist literature (magazines, advertisements, product specifications) to mean one million bytes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_one_million_bytes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.32</span> <span>"Mebibyte"/MiB is used very infrequently in non-scientific/non-specialist literature</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publishing_to_which_it_is_applicable" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publishing_to_which_it_is_applicable"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1.33</span> <span>"Mebibyte"/MiB is, in fact, widely used in all or most areas of writing and publishing to which it is applicable</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publishing_to_which_it_is_applicable-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_\"Binary_prefix\"_(2\/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","replies":["h-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_\"Binary_prefix\"_(2\/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","h-Headings_from_the_above_sections_that_have_complete_consensus-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_\"Binary_prefix\"_(2\/3):_search_for_consensus","h-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_\"Binary_prefix\"_(2\/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Proposed change to wording of \"Binary prefix\" (2\/3): search for consensus","linkableTitle":"Proposed change to wording of \"Binary prefix\" (2\/3): search for consensus"}--></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points" data-mw-thread-id="h-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>Attempt to find out where everyone stands on separate points<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points"></span>So, here's some statements. Under each one, it would be useful if anyone who feels themselves involved in this debate indicate whether they agree or disagree with the statement. Hopefully, they';ll be no need <i>in this section</i> to say more than that; hopefully we can leave subtle distinctions for now, and caveats will be covered by the other points. However, if you really need to say more, then that could make sense; there's just no need to explain <i>why</i> you agree or disagree here. I've indicated my own views through these. If you want to add an extra statement, go right ahead. Just to note, this time I'm not asking people to judge where there is or isn't consensus, just to give their own views. </p><p>The rationale here is that I'm fairly convinced that we've gotten tangled up and don't realise which things we already all (or nearly all) agree upon. If you don't want to pick "agree" or "disagree", feel free to say "undecided". <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points","replies":["c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>These statements are not sufficiently unambiguous and are inviting applying improper conclusions. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.90.29" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.90.29">217.87.90.29</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.90.29&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.90.29 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z","author":"217.87.90.29","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z"></span>Really? Part of the idea was that they aren't (all) mutually exclusive, so subtleties can be indicated by combinations; but I feel that, if they're read for no more than what they say, they're pretty clear. Could you give a counterexample?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Some of the comments added confirm that these statements are problematic. For example, the sentence "IEC units should not be used in the general text of an article, but are an ideal choice for disambiguation" combines two statements. This is certainly valid but complicates things and people may agree on this statement but still disagree on the meaning because they understand them differently or apply differing emphasis. I don't see the necessity to combine these two and the use of "ideal" is not ideal either. The statements added by Thunderbird2 are better (albeit not perfect either) because they are shorter and straight-forward. I find it perfectly valid to point out flaws without providing better alternatives, as long as the arguments are valid. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T16:22:00.000Z-217.87.90.29-2008-03-27T19:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_discussing_the_units,_and_articles_in_which_they_are_employed_by_the_primary_cited_source" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used.2C_except_in_quotes.2C_articles_specifically_discussing_the_units.2C_and_articles_in_which_they_are_employed_by_the_primary_cited_source"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z"></span>IEC units shall <i>not</i> routinely be used, except in quotes, articles specifically discussing the units, and articles in which they are employed by the primary cited source<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Question</b> in the interests of comparability, can we read this as being equivalent to the "should be banned" wording, or the "should be discouraged" wording, or neither; if neither, how do you mean it to differ? <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) 20:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC) <small>The new title is as close to what the proposal actually calls for as I can make it. As this is essentially voting on the proposal, I think it is fair to assume that the votes below, if everyone weighed in here, would reflect what is seen in the above voting. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T20:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>By the way, if you click on this link: [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29&action=edit&section=31">edit]</a>, you can vote in <i>all</i> these segments in a single session. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T22:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b>, mathematical conversions to different units of measurement are always allowed, and well that they should be, here and elsewhere. The use of an ambiguous unit over an unambiguous one does readers a tremendous disservice. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b>, obviously. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span>Disagree</b>, for reasons in sections below. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_shall_not_routinely_be_used,_except_in_quotes,_articles_specifically_d"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_require_their_use" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright.2C_except_where_policy_would_require_their_use"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>IEC units should be banned from wikipedia outright, except where policy would require their use<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:40:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Agree</b> (except where policy would require {or permit} their use, which is similar to the above) <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:28:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:47:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_from_wikipedia_outright,_except_where_policy_would_re"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_discussing_the_units_themselves" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct.2C_verbatim_quotes.2C_and_articles_discussing_the_units_themselves"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>IEC units should be banned except for direct, verbatim quotes, and articles discussing the units themselves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> (partial solution) <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:59:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b>, proper use should be encouraged. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:05:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:DavidPaulHamilton" title="User:DavidPaulHamilton">DavidPaulHamilton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidPaulHamilton" title="User talk:DavidPaulHamilton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z","author":"DavidPaulHamilton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-01T23:31:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_banned_except_for_direct,_verbatim_quotes,_and_articles_disc"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_sources_for_an_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_should_be_discouraged.2C_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_sources_for_an_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>IEC units should be discouraged, except where they are widely used by the sources for an article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Question</b> What I mean is that there's a world of difference between deprecating IEC prefixes and encouraging alternatives. Which is intended here? <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z","c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Answer</b> My dictionary defines "discourage" as "show disapproval of". <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:40:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Answer</b> the general meaning of this is meant to be basically the same as the extra point added by Greg. It's probably my worst-worded point, actually. Basically, by discourage I was meaning to indicate that we might say "don't use these without some good reason". Like "should not generally be used", followed by the exceptions that are seemingly accepted by even the most anti-IEC participants here (ie direct quotes, articles talking about the IEC units, and articles whose sources use IEC). <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-28T00:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Conditionally</b> If the proposal isn’t adopted, this is a good first step. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:15:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Undecided</b> My position on this depends on how you define "discouraged". <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T23:46:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:12:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b>, conversion of units of measurement is a simple, factual, indisputable mathematical task and has never been forbidden, even if sources may use a different measurement type. There's no difference here. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:04:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_be_discouraged,_except_where_they_are_widely_used_by_the_source"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_are_good.2C_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>IEC units are good, and should be used wherever feasible<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Comment</b> Would switch to agree if "should be used ..." were replaced with "may be used where appropriate". <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:07:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Disagree</b> I would agree if the work <i>feasible</i> were changed to <i>appropriate</i>.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> if word "feasible" is changed to "appropriate", as with Tom94022. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-28T23:50:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> if word "feasible" is changed to "appropriate", as with Tom94022. <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> for the symbols at least. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span>Agree</b> personally, but recognize that some other Wikipedians abhor them. "Appropriate" is better for compromise purposes. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:53:00.000Z-IEC_units_are_good,_and_should_be_used_wherever_feasible"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal_choice_for_disambiguation" data-mw-thread-id="h-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z"><span id="IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article.2C_but_are_an_ideal_choice_for_disambiguation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z"></span>IEC units should <i>not</i> be used in the general text of an article, but are an ideal choice for disambiguation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> 18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:49:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> IEC units SHOULD be used in the general text, that is the whole point. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:14:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:42:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:55:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:00:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b>, why not use a well-defined term when appropriate? <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:02:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Undecided</b>, because I <b>disagree</b> with the first part and <b>agree</b> to the second. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span>Disagree</b> - Should be used in general text of the article. Relegating disambiguation to footnotes is a poor solution. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T05:54:00.000Z-IEC_units_should_not_be_used_in_the_general_text_of_an_article,_but_are_an_ideal"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" data-mw-thread-id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>SI-style byte multiples should be disambiguated as appropriate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:38:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Disagree</b> if an SI style multile needs disambiguating that only proves that the IEC version should have been used. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> Most people have no idea what MB means, the next largest category thinks it means million bytes, only programmers and the like know it might mean something about 1,048,000 (I refuse to calculate the number any more)<a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> But not disambiguated with IEC prefixes since that doesn't solve the problem, it adds to the confusion by adding virtually unknown terms. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Disagree</b> If the appropriate units are used, no dab is needed <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-28T23:58:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree.</b> What matters is whether the reader understands what it meant. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b>, if “as appropriate” means <i>if they are used in a binary sense or when there is profound reason to think they could be</i>. OTOH, Jeh has a point, too. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Agree</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:02:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span>Disagree</b> personally - Ideally, SI prefixes would be used consistently throughout the encyclopedia, with no exceptions made for computing, and this wouldn't be necessary. Obviously many people want to use the units they are familiar with, however. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:00:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_as_appropriate"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_close_repetitions" data-mw-thread-id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence.2C_except_close_repetitions"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>SI-style byte multiples should be disambiguated at every occurrence, except close repetitions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:37:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> per above comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Agree</b> per above comment, disambiguation is necessary and this could easily be done by defining it as a link each time, e.g. <a href="/wiki/MB" class="mw-disambig" title="MB">MB</a> and cleaning up the destination pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:22:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:01:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> if dab means more than a wikilink to the appropriate unit. <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:20:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b>. Cluttering is to avoid for readability reasons. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Disagree</b> Once per article is enough in most cases. This is at most a technical nit of little interest to most readers who aren't already aware of the distinctions.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:04:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span>Kind of agree</b> - links aren't really that cluttery, but <i>every</i> occurrence should not be linked; just ones that matter, like the first in the article, the first in a section discussing some different topic, etc. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_should_be_disambiguated_at_every_occurrence,_except_clos"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is_speaking_about_RAM,_HDD,_etc,_where_the_meaning_is_generally_"obvious"" data-mw-thread-id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"><span id="SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is_speaking_about_RAM.2C_HDD.2C_etc.2C_where_the_meaning_is_generally_.22obvious.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span>SI-style byte multiples do <i>not</i> need disambiguation where it is clear that one is speaking about RAM, HDD, etc, where the meaning is generally "obvious"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Undecided</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-27T18:17:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-27T18:36:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> It is "obvious" to me that an 80 GB hard drive is 80,000,000,000 bytes, but not to many consumers, and most operating systems further the confusion by reporting it as "75 GB" or so. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-27T20:48:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> Most consumers don't have a clue. They become confused when the operating system reports a different number for a HDD than is labeled on the drive and its box. I also bet they also get confused when they add a 512 MB RAM module and they find the capacity increase is not 512,000 KB. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T05:28:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:44:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Strongly disagree.</b> I would have agreed a few decades ago when the usage really was consistent. That's not true any more. Usage has changed over time and is, at the present time, inconsistent. Lawsuits over drive capacities show that this is not a moot point. You cannot infer the meaning from context. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:23:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Agree</b>. MOSNUM should say where which one is the default. (Actually I’d of course still prefer them to be decimal all the time.) — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>Disagree</b> as long as we don't have a rule mandating standard SI prefixes everywhere. There really isn't a consistent "common usage" otherwise, and if there were, it would not be "obvious" to our readers anyway. Just because I know the difference in measurements between CDs and DVDs doesn't mean the general population does. They should be disambiguated in some way at least once. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:09:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span>I added a few more theses with the same objective and following similar principles to SamBC. For "megabyte", read "kilobyte, megabyte etc" and similarly for "mebibyte" <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:18:00.000Z-SI-style_byte_multiples_do_not_need_disambiguation_where_it_is_clear_that_one_is"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"><span id="The_word_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_ambiguous"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"></span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) is ambiguous<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:46:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerry_Ashton" title="User:Gerry Ashton">Gerry Ashton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerry_Ashton" title="User talk:Gerry Ashton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Gerry Ashton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:33:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:04:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:25:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:48:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> for common language. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:54:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Fact</b> - a "100 MB" hard drive is 100,000,000 bytes, "128 MB" of memory is 134,217,728 bytes, and a "1.44 MB" floppy is 1,474,560 bytes. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_ambiguous"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> actually that "100 MB" hard drive is a bit more than 100,000,000 bytes. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:52:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"><span id="The_word_.E2.80.9Cmebibyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MiB.29_is_ambiguous"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"></span>The word “mebibyte” (symbol MiB) is ambiguous<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Agree</b> As shown some people have been confused, therfore it can be ambiguous. It is also virtually unused which only adds to the potential for readers finding it to be ambiguous. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:40:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerry_Ashton" title="User:Gerry Ashton">Gerry Ashton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerry_Ashton" title="User talk:Gerry Ashton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Gerry Ashton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerry_Ashton-2008-03-28T17:31:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> Just because some folks get confused doesn't mean the term is ambiguous. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:34:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> It may not be “ambiguous” as to its definition, but it is poorly understood and therefore is a very poor tool for communicating to the intended audience. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> It's not ambiguous. It is unfamiliar. A case can be made for defining it on its first appearance in an article, even though you'd think that Wikilinking the first appearance of the term would be good enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:05:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> per dpbsmith <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:26:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> unfamiliar, and occaisionally misused, but well-defined with no variation due to context or whim, so not ambiguous. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:49:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b>, I doubt that your average person knows the precise definition of a <a href="/wiki/Mole_(unit)" title="Mole (unit)">mole</a>, either, but it does <i>have</i> a precise definition and thus is unambiguous. The same is true of the binary prefixes. The very purpose of the binary prefixes is to <i>remove</i> the ambiguity inherent in having "kilobyte", "megabyte", etc., mean two different things, one of those things being different than the standard meanings that the average person expects of the metric decimal prefixes. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T02:55:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span>Disagree</b> - Confusion is not the same as ambiguity. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:14:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_ambiguous"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z"><span id="The_word_.E2.80.9Cmebibyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MiB.29_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z"></span>The word “mebibyte” (symbol MiB) is <i>not</i> widely recognized by the typical Wikipedia reader<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree,</b> but it is readily understood from context. Or Wikilinking. Or defining them on their first apperance. The people who express a strong visceral reaction to the terms are not <i>confused</i> by them, they merely <i>dislike</i> them. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> per dpbsmith <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:27:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:56:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> – dpbsmith's points make sense also... <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T12:50:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Partially agree</b>, the typical reader or at least the typical computer savvy reader should be able to guess it’s something similar to “megabyte” (MB), especially for the symbol. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":["c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> So… As long as a reader can “guess” what something means, it is appropriate for an encyclopedia to use units of measure a well-read reader has never encountered before (and likely won’t again encounter after they leave Wikipedia)? We should be able to find a better MOSNUM policy that isn’t founded on <i>that</i> principle. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:34:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;"><b>TONY</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tony1" title="User talk:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Tony1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[],"displayName":"TONY"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> per dpbsmith and Crissov, also Seraphimblade's comment re 'mole' above. To put it bluntly, it may be unfamiliar but that is not an overriding concern here. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span>Agree</b> I think that <i>is</i> an overriding concern here. The geeks in our audience can give the lecture from memory; the non-geeks don't care, don't need to know and are only confused by notation that differs for the documentation the normally use.--20:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Agree</b>, though this isn't a problem. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:16:00.000Z-The_word_“mebibyte”_(symbol_MiB)_is_not_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wik"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z"><span id="The_word_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z"></span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) <b>is</b> widely recognized by the typical Wikipedia reader<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T09:57:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Depends on intent</b>, if you mean "has heard the term before", I certainly agree. However, I would venture a guess that the average Wikipedia reader does not know that the term is ambiguous and may mean different things in different contexts. Generally, only those with a strong computing background would know this, and that is not the majority of Wikipedia's readership (nor are those the people who would benefit from disambiguation). <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:45:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> on <i>recognized</i>, wouldn’t agree on <i>understood</i>, i.e. I agree with Seraphimblade. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b>, caveat as per Crissov and Seraphimblade. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:50:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b>, but possibly misunderstood. <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> per Crissov and Seraphimblade. "Widely recognized" does not mean "correctly understood" <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:01:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span>Agree</b> - it's familiar, but that doesn't mean they know the definition. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:17:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_widely_recognized_by_the_typical_Wikipedi"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z"><span id="The_word_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wikipedia_reader"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z"></span>The word “megabyte” (symbol MB) is <i>not</i> widely understood by the typical Wikipedia reader<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Comment</b> Based upon my brief and very unscientific survey, I am of the opinion that the typical reader does not even know that mega could be 1,000,000 much less something else. Mega means large to all but technical persons, arguably a small portion of the Wikipedia audience and therefore not typical. Accordingly, any arguments and corresponding remedies based upon lack of knowledge of a prefix or symbol should equally apply to MB and MiB, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-1"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T06:21:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Disagree</b> This knowledge even passes the "my Dad test". <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T06:28:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Mu_(negative)" title="Mu (negative)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Mu</a></b> this is a subtle and complex question that depends on your precise definition of 'understood'. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:00:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Comment</b> It also depends on the definition of "typical Wikipedia reader". <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Agree</b>, any reasonably educated person with some knowledge of the metric system will (quite reasonably) assume that the prefix "mega" means one million, as it does in megaton and similar terms. Only those with strong backgrounds in computing will know that in computer science it is sometimes used to represent a value other than one million. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:47:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Agree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Disagree</b>—Yup, the Mom test even works. <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;"><b>TONY</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tony1" title="User talk:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Tony1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[],"displayName":"TONY"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:41:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Question</b> I seriously don't understand what people are "agreeing" or "disagreeing" on here. SamBC makes an important point that has not been addressed. Does "understand megabyte" mean: <ul><li>"know that a megabyte is a unit used to measure the size of large files on my computer"?</li> <li>"know that a megabyte is roughly a million bytes"?</li> <li>"know that a megabyte is exactly a million bytes"?</li> <li>"know that a megabyte is exactly 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes"?</li> <li>"know that a megabyte is sometimes a million bytes, sometimes 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes depending on the context"?</li></ul></li> <li>We could add 5 more theses to clarify this, but perhaps the originator of the statement (I'm not sure who it was) can clarify the intended meaning. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T09:38:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Agreee</b> in that it is not usually <i>correctly</i> understood as long as it is commonly used in an ambiguous way <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T03:03:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Disagree</b> If a unit of measure that is universally used in virtually all advertisements, brochures, owners manuals, and computer magazines isn’t understood by the typical reader of a Wikipedia article on computer technology (after the usual disambiguation is applied when it applies to hard drives), then there’s no point for Wikipedia to even exist since the logical implication would be that its typical reader is mentally retarded. That is clearly <i>not</i> the case so I question the need for continuing a practice that amounts to we Wikipedia authors trying to save the computer industry and all its readers from themselves by “showing them the way.” <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:55:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span>Agree</b> - I've surveyed people on this. Most Americans haven't a clue. Most Europeans assume it's used consistently like any other metric prefix. It's only the technically-oriented that know that it has multiple definitions. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-The_word_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-The_word_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_not_widely_understood_by_the_typical_Wiki"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_unit_used_to_measure_the_size_of_large_files_on_a_PC" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z"><span id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_a_unit_used_to_measure_the_size_of_large_files_on_a_PC"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z"></span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is a unit used to measure the size of large files on a PC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span>Clarification</b> Before someone asks, let's define "regular WP reader" as someone who consults the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org">English Wikipedia</a> once a month or more, on average. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T18:59:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:05:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span>Disagree</b> particularly with regard to file sizes. As a test I checked one large directory used for a client, out of 1280 files only 117 exceeded 999,999 bytes. I suspect only heavy MP3, video and like have a lot of MiB files. I would agree that most users understand MB to be measure the size of large memory or HDDs. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:37:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span>Agree</b> that most readers know that a "megga-bite" is a unit of computer storage. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:21:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_a_u"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_roughly_a_million_bytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"><span id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_roughly_a_million_bytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"></span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is roughly a million bytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span>Agree</b> just about, probably <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_rou","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span>Disagree</b> In my informal survey of 20 users only 4 had this concept, 16 thought mega was large. Given the degree of education in my survey group (all college grads) I doubt that broad user knowledge level gets close to 50% <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_rou","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-04T00:42:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span>Maybe</b> - Most people I've asked haven't a clue. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_rou","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:22:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_rou"></span></li> <li><b>Comment</b> ...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z"><span id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes.2C_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z"></span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is sometimes a million bytes, sometimes 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes depending on the context<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Agree</b> ...</li> <li><b>Disagree</b> I doubt it, but it's possibly a close-run thing <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:07:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-01T16:25:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Doubtful</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:23:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b>Comment</b> ...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes,_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context,_and_know_how_to_work_it_out_from_the_context" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z"><span id="More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_.28symbol_MB.29_is_sometimes_a_million_bytes.2C_sometimes_10242_bytes_depending_on_the_context.2C_and_know_how_to_work_it_out_from_the_context"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z"></span>More than half of regular WP readers know that “megabyte” (symbol MB) is sometimes a million bytes, sometimes 1024<sup>2</sup> bytes depending on the context, and know how to work it out from the context<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Agree</b> ...</li> <li><b>Disagree</b> even more doubtful <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T19:08:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:19:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span>Very doubtful</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_(symbol_MB)_is_som","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:24:00.000Z-More_than_half_of_regular_WP_readers_know_that_“megabyte”_(symbol_MB)_is_som"></span></li> <li><b>Comment</b> ...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"><span id="Disambiguation_of_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_should_be_encouraged"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation of “megabyte” should be encouraged<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:07:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> to the extent of a wikilink <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Undecided</b>, this partly depends on whether it is being used inconsistently <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:02:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b>, it should always be clear whether "megabyte" is referring to the value 10<sup>6</sup> or 2<sup>20</sup>. This is well done by using "megabyte" or "MB" to refer <i>only</i> to 10<sup>6</sup>, and using "mebibyte" or "MiB" to refer to 2<sup>20</sup>, eliminating ambiguity in terminology. Wikilinks are appropriate to serve readers unfamiliar with the difference. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:49:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b>, where necessary <i>binary</i> or <i>decimal</i> should be prepended. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree'</i> once, in an unobtrusive way such as a wikilink--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:15:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> if we can't decide to use SI consistently everywhere. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:25:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“megabyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"><span id="Disambiguation_of_.E2.80.9Cmebibyte.E2.80.9D_should_be_encouraged"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation of “mebibyte” should be encouraged<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Agree</b> Since it is virtually unknown then most readers will find it confusing, so disambiguation is needed. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T17:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T17:24:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> However, because it is relatively unknown, its use should always include a hot link to an explanation. That is, it is sufficient to use it as <a href="/wiki/MiB" class="mw-redirect" title="MiB">MiB</a>. Same thing for <a href="/wiki/KiB" class="mw-redirect" title="KiB">KiB</a>, <a href="/wiki/GiB" class="mw-redirect" title="GiB">GiB</a>. We hot link everything we can, it is the perfect solution for these terms since they are unambiguous! <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> as per Tom94022. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b></s> <b>Agree</b> Even though the term should only be encountered in articles where it is widely recognized by the intended audience (or in articles that describe the IEC units directly), the unit should be hyperlinked to the article describing it and should have a first-occurrence footnoting (or similar method of disambiguation); particularly so given that it is very poorly recognized by the larger computer article readership. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:38:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> It's not ambiguous, so how can you disambiguate it? Defining it on first appearance might be reasonable. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T00:08:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> just link it <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-30T07:40:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> – define or link, can't disambiguate something that isn't ambiguous <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:03:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b>, <i>definition</i> is desirable and can be established through appropriate wikilinking, but disambiguation is not desirable for a term which has no ambiguity in the first place. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:50:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b>, explanation by linking to <a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix" title="Binary prefix">binary prefix</a> or similar, though. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span>Disagree</b> - it's inherently unambiguous. The first instance should be linked just like any other topic. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_\u201cmebibyte\u201d_should_be_encouraged","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_of_“mebibyte”_should_be_encouraged"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z"><span id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to specify an exact number of bytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Agree</b> Or by using power notation for brevity, for example 2<sup>10</sup><b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:49:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> This is an acceptable method. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> Different methods of disambiguation are needed in different situations; there is no single “right” way. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> it isn't best, just clearest. <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> no best method, lots of factors to weigh up <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:04:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b>, while it's better than no disambiguation at all, most readers would find this confusing and be unable to relate it to anything. The binary terms and abbreviations are <i>close</i> to the decimal terms, so a reader would (correctly) intuit that "MiB" or "mebibyte" is at least near the value of a megabyte, while likely being confused upon seeing a purely numerical representation. (If used as a secondary method, however, such disambiguation could possibly be useful in some cases.) <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:52:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Neutral</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Neutral</b> This is acceptable, but I think there are better ways.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) 20:17, April 2008 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Disagree</b> in general. There may be occasions where this is the best method but they will be uncommon. For a hard drive size (one of the cases where the binary/decimal prefix issue is the most problematical) do you use the exact meaning of the SI prefix (e.g. "750,000,000,000 bytes" or do you use the exact hard drive size? Which will only be valid for one particular make and model of "750 GB" hard drive? And in either case, how do you explain the OS's display of "698 GB"? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:40:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> - way too much clutter and inconvenience. Definitely a good idea in some contexts, but definitely not "the best" in all. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("binary_megabyte"_or_"decimal_megabyte")" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z"><span id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_.22decimal.22_or_.22binary.22_.28.22binary_megabyte.22_or_.22decimal_megabyte.22.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span>The <u>best</u> method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to precede it with an adjective like "decimal" or "binary" ("binary megabyte" or "decimal megabyte")<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> – and even if there <i>were</i> a "best method", I'm <i>certain</i> that this wouldn't be it. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-01T16:29:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Ambivalent</b> If this was also associated with no further use of “mebibyte”, then it might be acceptable. However, advertisements, the popular press, etc. don’t perceive the need to disambiguate this way. So this proposal too would have the effect of <i>leading</i> rather than following common industry practices. In other words, this would have the effect of attempting to solve a “problem” that the industry doesn’t seem to even recognize is a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:27:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> Not even acceptable. This approach is only meaningful to those who are already familiar with the issue; also per Greg L's reasons.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:20:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Ambivalent</b> this might work in some cases. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjectiv"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_"decimal"_or_"binary"_("decimal_megabyte"_or_"binary_megabyte")" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z"><span id="An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adjective_like_.22decimal.22_or_.22binary.22_.28.22decimal_megabyte.22_or_.22binary_megabyte.22.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z"></span>An <u>acceptable</u> method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to precede it with an adjective like "decimal" or "binary" ("decimal megabyte" or "binary megabyte")<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T17:36:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Undecided</b> a user would have to already know about the difference, and it would be harder to wikilink than using IEC prefixes. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T19:54:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Disagree</b> It is inventing teminology when it is not needed and usually not from the sources relevant to the article. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Ambivalent</b> If this was also associated with no further use of “mebibyte”, then it might be acceptable. However, advertisements, the popular press, etc. don’t perceive the need to disambiguate this way. So this proposal too would have the effect of <i>leading</i> rather than following common industry practices. In other words, this would have the effect of attempting to solve a “problem” that the industry doesn’t seem to even recognize is a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Undecided</b> The arguments presented against (all of them so far) are good ones, so I am withdrawing my 'agree' vote to give me time to think. I'm reluctant to <i>disagree</i> though until an acceptable compromise is found. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:46:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Disagree</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:21:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Ambivalent</b> this might be acceptable in some cases. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:42:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span>Depends</b> on context. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:29:00.000Z-An_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_precede_it_with_an_adj"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”" data-mw-thread-id="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"><span id="Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Specifying an exact number of bytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> (weakly) <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:05:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree somewhat</b>, but certainly not a first choice. Perhaps in a footnote exact numbers could be specified, but in the main body of an article it would be terribly awkward. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:54:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> A lot less awkward than using virtually unknwon IEC prefixes. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:06:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b>, although it looks stupid to use an abbreviation and then add the expansion. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Comment</b> It seems everyone agrees on this. Why don't you take advantage of this consensus? I expect it's unlikely that everyone would agree on a single <b>best</b> method, so rooting for an <b>acceptable</b> method is all I'd hope for. As nobody here seems to be willing to strictly conform to IEC 60027-2, I'd scrap the new binary prefixes completely for now, outside of articles like "Binary Prefix". Using KB/MB/GB with different meanings with additionally disambiguation (either once per article or once per value) is, at least, still better than relying on common sense, context or whatever isn't explicitly mentioned in an article. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.70.242" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.70.242">217.87.70.242</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:217.87.70.242" title="User talk:217.87.70.242">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z","author":"217.87.70.242","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"></span>Compromise, an excellent sensible suggestion. This means not everyone gets their first choice, but of course that is the nature of compromise. Adopting this suggestion of course means that IEC prefixes won't be used in the majority of articles. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T00:45:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"></span>Comment: "Scrap the new binary prefixes <b>completely</b> for now" is hardly a compromise. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z-217.87.70.242-2008-03-30T22:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z"></span>Reply: Not well worded, indeed. What was meant was refraining from retrofitting KiB/MiB/GiB into articles for the purpose of disambiguation. Scrapping them wasn't meant to imply prohibiting them. If some author writes an article which conforms to IEC 60027-2, he should be allowed to. Likewise, if someone writes an article in conformance to the JEDEC standard, that should be fine too. Disambiguation of every single value can hardly be desired. That's why I think each article has to be consistent with a single standard. I believe most articles use the units and prefixes only with a single meaning. It should be clearly stated which one that is even if "obvious" to an expert. Fewer articles mix different meanings e.g., those which mention RAM and HDDs. Use of IEC 60027-2 would be ideal for those but if people want their MiBs without accepting decimal MBs, that's no valid approach. It seems the only commonly acceptable approach is using exact byte counts for disambiguation in such cases. It's a compromise in so far that requirement for disambiguation is acknowledged i.e., expert knowledge isn't taken for granted but it's accepted that before IEC 60027-2 becomes in wide use outside of Wikipedia, IEC binary prefixes aren't the tool of choice for disambiguation. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.56.117" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.56.117">217.87.56.117</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.56.117&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.56.117 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z","author":"217.87.56.117","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.56.117-2008-04-05T15:00:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T00:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> To 217.87: <i><b>Dude!</b></i> Yes! <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:49:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> I'd like something less obtrusive tho.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>)</li> <li><s><b>Disagree</b></s> <b>Sometimes</b>. We <b>usually</b> don't need to see "512 MB (536,870,912 bytes)". What is important about the disambiguation is not the exact number of 536,870,912, but that it is significantly larger than 512,000,000. Constantly specifying an exact number of bytes will look even more pretentious and pedantic when the exact number is e.g. 512,000,000. However, I don't think it can be denied that there are occasions when disambiguation to an exact number of bytes is not only acceptable but desirable. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:44:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span>Agree</b> - Acceptable in some contexts, but should not be used everywhere. 217.87.70.242 seems to have missed the general agreement <a href="#The_best_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_bytes">here</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cm","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:32:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_bytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“m"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z"><span id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z"></span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to specify an exact number of mebibytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T16:43:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:48:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> This is an acceptable method. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-28T22:44:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span>Disagree</b> Continued use of “mebibyte” as a ‘disambiguation’ only requires more reading. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b> Who'd say "2 megabytes (2*1000000/1048576) mebibytes"? <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:38:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>Disagree</b>, even if you mean an approximate number, because there is no best</li> <li><b>Agreed in some cases</b>, where the binary values would be an exact, round number ("a flash drive with a capacity of 512 MiB"), absolutely. On the other hand, they would be terribly awkward in cases such as hard drive capacity, where the decimal values are the ones with the exact, round number ("a hard drive with a capacity of 200 GB"). However, decimal prefixes should be used <i>only</i> to represent decimal values, never binary ones. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:57:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span>Partially agree</b>, it can be the best one. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span>Neutral</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span>What?</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:34:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_to_specify_an_exact_number_of"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”" data-mw-thread-id="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"><span id="Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Specifying an exact number of mebibytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T11:36:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Disagree</b> it would look very messy. Approximate number of mebibytes, maybe... <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:08:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Comment</b> It doesn't look messy when used for RAM, as in "Model X has 256 MB (256 <a href="/wiki/Mebibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Mebibyte">MiB</a>) of <a href="/wiki/RAM" class="mw-redirect" title="RAM">RAM</a>". <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Comment</b>: Thunderbird2, this would be counter-productive and may eventually even cause MiB to become ambiguous as it suggests equivalence. I don't think it's clear whether people who accept "Model X has 268 MB (256 MiB) RAM", would also accept your example. Handling of citations may require different rules but if it's absolutely unacceptable to translate a quote, there should be a proper unambiguous footnote, instead of a potentially misleading insertion. I think some question to vote on is still missing: "Terms like Megabyte should be used consistently among all articles". Your example suggests that you are fine with continued dual meanings. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Reply</b>: I don't like the dual meaning of MB, but as of 2008 it is a fact of life. I don't like it that manufacturers of hard drives are punished for standing up for the original definition of of "megabyte", but that too, sadly, is a fact of life. I don't wish to give the impression that MB and MiB are synonymous though. Feel free to add a new thesis if you think that might help identify an area of consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T16:15:00.000Z-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T15:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Comment</b>, as above, the use of whichever value produces a good round number is encouraged, but decimal prefixes should <i>never</i> be used in a binary sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:58:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Disagree</b> Using virtually unknown units causes more confusion. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:04:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Disagree</b> What Fnagaton said. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:20:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Disagree</b>, either “256 MB” or “256 MiB”, maybe “256 MB (binary)” or “256 MB<sub>2</sub>” but rather not “256 MB (MiB)” and certainly not “256 MB (256 MiB)” or “256 MiB (268 MB)”. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Limited agree</b> I would find this acceptable for the case where MB is use in the binary sense and if MiB is linked, e.g. 128 MB (<a href="/wiki/MiB" class="mw-redirect" title="MiB">MiB</a>). There is no perfect answer and this might be a compromise. --<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-03T12:40:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Agree</b> specifically with the MB (<a href="/wiki/MiB" class="mw-redirect" title="MiB">MiB</a>) construct, it's short, unambiguous and those readers who follow the link will learn something! <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":["c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Comment'</i> That's an absolutely horrible construct and it's confusing as hell. You can't have IEC prefixes without adopting IEC 60027-2 completely. If this had been intented or desired, there would be something like "MdB" in the standard. If you use MiB, your MB must denote one million. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.120.94" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.120.94">217.87.120.94</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.120.94&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.120.94 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z","author":"217.87.120.94","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.120.94-2008-04-03T16:44:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-03T16:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span>Disagree</b> 217.87 is right. This is messy. <a href="/wiki/User:DavidPaulHamilton" title="User:DavidPaulHamilton">DavidPaulHamilton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidPaulHamilton" title="User talk:DavidPaulHamilton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z","author":"DavidPaulHamilton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidPaulHamilton-2008-04-03T22:10:00.000Z-Specifying_an_exact_number_of_mebibytes_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_"megabyte"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z"><span id="Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_.E2.80.93_e.g._64MB_.2861MiB.29_.E2.80.93_is_an_acceptable_method_to_disambiguate_.22megabyte.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Specifying an approximate number of mebibytes – e.g. 64MB (61MiB) – is an acceptable method to disambiguate "megabyte"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T14:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Agree</b> for some uses, necessity here would probably best be determined case by case. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> 14:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC) (To add to above: Generally, I would likely not agree with this, especially when a round number of megabytes would be an exact value, i.e., hard drive capacities. In such a case, the measurement really is in decimal, so no disambiguation is necessary.) <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T14:59:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Disagree</b> Using virtually unknown units causes more confusion. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-29T16:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Agree</b>, although such instances should be seldom. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":["c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"></span>Question: Crissov, could you explain why you agree with this but disagree with the previous statement? As I understand, the example given in the statement is what you considered inacceptable in the previous case. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T18:21:00.000Z-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Strongly Disagree</b> Decimal MB should <b>rarely if ever</b> be disambiguated to MiB!!!! The only place I can think this appropriate would be where it is necessary to explain the apparent difference, say between an OS MB and an HDD package MB, but in that case it is probably better to disambiguate MB to common decimal units without prefixes. If this said:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i>Specifying the same number of mebibytes – e.g. 64MB (64<a href="/wiki/MiB" class="mw-redirect" title="MiB">MiB</a>) – is one acceptable method to disambiguate "MB"</i><br/> [Note the Wikilink in MiB]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I would strong support this. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-03-29T19:12:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Disagree</b>—Not widely enough known. <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1" title="User:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;"><b>TONY</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tony1" title="User talk:Tony1"><span style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z","author":"Tony1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[],"displayName":"TONY"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tony1-2008-03-30T07:42:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Disagree</b> What Tony said. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:52:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Strongly disagree</b> Totally nonstandard and opaque to non-geeks.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:25:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Comment</b> If you added "agree" then why do you support using a term that does not help to clarify the exact number of bytes? If as some of you were claiming the number of bytes is really important then using a term to round up or down is contradictory. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Reply</b> It is good practice to round any measurement or specification to a suitable number of significant figures, reflecting the precision of that measurement or specification. There is no conflict between this good practice and the use of unambiguous units. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:03:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z"></span>While that might be true for lengths and weights the same it not true for quantities of bytes. Unless you are now admitting that actually the number of bytes is not important? If you are then logically that then means you do not need to disambiguate the term at all since it is safe to leave it as only an approximation to convey to approximate sizes that are being talked about. So which is it? Is it really important to know the number of bytes? Or is the exact number of bytes less important? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T10:24:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z"></span>I'm afraid I don't understand your point. The only difference I can see is that the number of bytes is a <a href="/wiki/Discrete_variable" class="mw-redirect" title="Discrete variable">discrete variable</a>, whereas lengths and weights are <a href="/wiki/Continuous_variable" class="mw-redirect" title="Continuous variable">continuous</a>. I don't recall ever having said that the exact number of bytes is important, although it may be for some purposes. What I have said on a number of occasions is that specifying the exact number of bytes is an acceptable way to disambiguate. The problem with the megabyte is not that it is <a href="/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision" title="Accuracy and precision">imprecise</a>, but that it is <a href="/wiki/Ambiguous" class="mw-redirect" title="Ambiguous">ambiguous</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T10:42:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z"></span>You understand the difference between mathematical constructs and lengths/weights, yes? The former has a meaning which is concrete and the later is a form chosen from some arbitrary physical form. So by your own admission disambiguation in this case is not to increase accuracy? (This is because you do not increase accuracy by having an approximate number of disambiguation units.) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T11:01:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z"></span>The purpose of disambiguation is to <b>decrease ambiguity</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T11:20:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z"></span>But you are making it more ambiguous by being less exact, remember this number is not some arbitrary length or weight it is a number that comes from a mathematical construct. So since you are advocating a method which introduces another ambiguous (less exact) value for what you are disambiguating why are you doing it. Is it to make the value better understood? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z","c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:13:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"></span>The point is that 61 <a href="/wiki/Mebibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Mebibyte">MiB</a> is less ambiguous than 64 <a href="/wiki/Megabyte" title="Megabyte">MB</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span>That is illogical because it's still ambiguous since it is not exact. So again I ask, why are you disambiguating one value with an ambiguous value? As you said before it's not because you think the number of bytes is important, so why is it? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"></span>You could always make it "~61 MiB" <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T12:32:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z"></span>Which only goes to show that disambiguation term is less exact and is therefore ambiguous. Ignore the whole IEC prefix thing for the moment. In mathematics what is the most exact way (least ambiguous way) to state 16,384 without writing the actual number? Is it: a) 1.64x10<sup>4</sup> or is it b) 2<sup>14</sup> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T12:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span>You know as well as I do that the one of those two numbers is exact and the other is not. And you also know perfectly well which one it is, so I wonder why you ask the question. Nevertheless, for the sake of argument, and because I am curious where this might lead, I offer my answer: <b>(b)</b>. (<s>By the way, (a) is not even close, but I am assuming you meant 1.64e4</s>) <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T13:58:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span>Oops yes I made a typo with the powers, should have been 4. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:14:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span>Anyway, back to the point. I take it from your other comments on this page, not only in this section, that you want to see biased POV removed from the guideline, is that correct? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:09:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z"></span>That depends on exactly what you mean. The whole point of the MOS is to standardise on one particular style. It cannot fulfil that purpose unless it contains guidelines, which are POV by nature. What we should strive for is a balanced POV with a wide consensus. Does that answer your question? <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T14:20:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"></span>Then we must approach this from a purely logical argument, that is to say we must remove personal bias. You actually made the point above (12:37, 30 March 2) but didn't continue the reasoning to its logical conclusion. ;) The point, as you put it, is that you contend you are choosing the "less ambiguous" option, but actually you're not. The less ambiguous more exact and explicit option is option <b>(b)</b>, you agree with this point, I know you do because you said <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29&diff=prev&oldid=201792732">so</a>. Therefore you should write that this option of using MiB is <b>unacceptable</b> and therefore <b>disagree</b> with it because a better less ambiguous option exists. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T19:06:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z"></span>I don't see how you reach that conclusion, and disagree with most of your last response. Let's just agree to differ. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T22:32:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z"></span>Fnagaton: the exact number of bytes, to the last byte, is not often important. After all, even a (decimal) "750GB" hard drive is not exactly 750,000,000,000 bytes. But the difference between 64×2<sup>20</sup> (67,108,864) and 64×10<sup>6</sup> (64,000,000) is most certainly significant. Note that this difference constitutes a change in the quoted (i.e. significant) figures. Or if that's not enough, just ask the plaintiffs in that recent "hard drive size" lawsuit. So, yes, disambiguation via "MiB" adds accuracy. It adds even more accuracy where the result is an exact number of MiB but was an approximate number of (decimal) MB. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:09:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z"></span>You are wrong for the rasons I have posted above. A summary of those reasons follows: If as you claim the exact number of bytes is not important then it is not important to disambiguate in the first place. So that means not adding IEC prefixes to occurences of KB, MB, GB etc. Since it more ambiguous to use approximate numbers of mebibytes compared to using an exact number of bytes then chosing to support this option is illogical. Unless you are now admitting that you want biased POV in the guideline? Are you? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:18:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z"></span>Actually if you look at the votes you'll see I have NOT yet expressed support for this option. I was merely adding to the comment thread here (which maybe should have been in the "should we disambiguate MB at all" question, not this one which addresses a specific method). To address your point: You claim "If as you claim the exact number of bytes is not important then it is not important to disambiguate in the first place." Very well, that is your opinion, often expressed. I will now show you why I disagree with your opinion. It is a simple matter of the <i>degree</i> of error, or ambiguity. Consider a "750 GB" hard drive. My position is that for most purposes of discussion in these contexts (e.g. hard drive sizes) "750GB" is sufficiently accurate. In fact the actual useable size of one of my "750GB" hard drives is 750,153,363,456 bytes. (Fact, hard drives (not even old small ones) don't come in whole numbers of MB or GB.) This is a discrepancy of 0.02%. This is a tolerable error for most purposes, especially since not every "750GB" hard drive will have this exact capacity anyway! But e.g. Windows reports this as only "698 GB". Since the OS means 698 GiB, i.e. 698×2<sup>30</sup>, that's still the right number (to within three digits anyway), but of course it looks wildly wrong to the user. (The OS also reports the 750,153,363,456 figure, but only in the drive properties dialog.) The difference between 750 (decimal) GB and 698 (decimal) GB (i.e. approximately the capacity the user thinks is missing) amounts to a bit over 6.8%. Actually, maybe the user thinks that 750GiB - 698GiB, about 6.9%, are missing, but anyway... <b>my point is this:</b> The fact that we can (for most purposes) tolerate an error of 0.02% in the "750GB" figure (vs. actual drive cap of 750,153,353,456 bytes) does not prove that we can tolerate an uncertainty, or ambiguity, of 6.8 or 6.9%! So, no, choosing to support this option (if I so choose) does not seem illogical to me at all. By contrast, your position seems to me to be illogical, wildly illogical in fact. Perhaps you can explain why you think that logically, 0.02 is the same as, or even within an same order of magnitude of, 6.8? As for your claim of "biased POV", I don't see where it recommends or prefers the use of binary prefixes (which would be bias in favor), only that it acknowledges that they are a standard and <b>may</b> be used. I don't see how this constitutes bias, so I reject your loaded question that I am supporting a "biased POV". <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:26:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z"></span>Which can be expressed in a more precise way rather than resorting to using IEC prefixes with ambiguous rounded numbers. Using the binary prefixes to disambiguate what would be in context a decimal value makes little sense. It is therefore illogical to support this option. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":18,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:30:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>(outdent) One, the additional precision isn't necessary (and furthermore would be very visually intrusive) for most uses. In the case of the hard drive it might even be inaccurate, even while implying a high degree of accuracy, because different "750GB" drives have different exact capacities. But "750GB" is what will appear on the hard drive box, and on most driver makers' labels. Two, "disambiguating" to 750,000,000,000, or even 750,153,363,456 (not exactly a whole number of GB!) won't explain why the user sees "698 GB" either. It seems to me that when we're talking about a "750 GB" hard drive we have to say "750 GB", since that's what the box says, and that "698" number (that is, "specify an approximate number of mebibytes", as the poll question asks) ought to appear as well <i>since that's what the users of hundreds of millions of computers will be seeing in the "real world."</i> Most of them won't look at the drive Properties dialog and find the exact number of bytes, either. Whether the "698" should appear as "698 GiB" or "reported by most OSs as 698 GB" is another question, and one not addressed by this poll question. Aside: See, that's the whole problem with the real world: It's ambiguous and isn't self-consistent, so if WP tries to be consistent with the real world, WP ends up being ambiguous and non-self-consistent too. In my opinion that's bad, and moreover it's bad enough to override the issue of WP user unfamiliarity with binary prefixes. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z"></span>1) The precision is important in computing. It is also less intrusive than adding virtually unknown prefixes to articles that do not reference them. 2) Adding a footnotes explains to the reader better than adding virtually unused prefixes to the article. It is possible to be consistent without adding IEC prefixes and by doing so it makes the numbers completely exact, which is better in two ways. So it is still illogical to support IEC prefixes. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T13:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z"></span>1) The precision to the last byte is only important for some uses. But the industry has clearly decided that it is not important always. Otherwise, why does the hard drive box say "750 GB" and the operating system "698 GB", rather than writing out the entire number? If the precision to the last byte is always important in computing, why does Windows Explorer (in details view) report a text file with one character in it as 1 KB (KiB)? It is commonly mentioned here that "the IEC prefixes are not much used in the real world," but in the real world file and hard drive sizes are not commonly expressed in exact numbers of bytes, either. 1a) As for "exact", as I have explained at least twice, it's usually going to be impossible to be "exact" to the last byte for hard drive sizes. If you write the drive size as, say, "750 GB (750,000,000,000 bytes)" you are correctly (to the last byte!) disambiguating the SI sense of GB, but you are not being exact as to the hard drive size. And if you write out "750 GB (750,153,363,456 bytes)" you are a) further confusing the meaning of "GB" by implying that "GB" means 1.000204484608, and b) you are being exact only for one particular model of a drive of that size... It might even be exact only for a particular revision of that model! So the additional digits, even while <i>seeming</i> to provide to-the-last-byte accuracy, really are just providing "noise". That's why the whole concept of <a href="/wiki/Significant_figures" title="Significant figures">significant figures</a> exists. 2) Yes, it is possible to disambiguate without using the IEC prefixes. That doesn't prove that the IEC prefixes should not be used for this purpose, and says nothing at all about their use for other purposes. And, most important it seems to me, if you don't use the binary prefix (or at least a power-of-two divisor) you will not be mentioning the "698 GB" most operating systems will display... let alone explaining it. This, to me, is an extremely significant omission, but one that is unavoidable if "MB" is disambiguated only by writing out the entire number. I will also note that disambiguating RAM sizes by writing out the entire number isn't much better. If you write "512 MB (536,870,912 bytes)" you'll get people saying "so it's really 536 MB? Why does my operating system show only 512?" <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:16:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T14:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span>Depends</b> on context. If it's 64 MiB what's wrong with saying "64 MiB"? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_\u2013_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_\u2013_is_an_ac","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:37:00.000Z-Specifying_an_approximate_number_of_mebibytes_–_e.g._64MB_(61MiB)_–_is_an_ac"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by_article_basis" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z"><span id="The_best_method_to_disambiguate_.E2.80.9Cmegabyte.E2.80.9D_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by_article_basis"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z"></span>The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is by consensus on an article by article basis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Agree</b> I see no practical alternative. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T10:00:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Disagree</b> We tried that before, some users (Sarenne) would take their POV to push IEC prefixes to each article creating even more trouble. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-28T16:50:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Comment</b> I have seen this work in practice. If edits are made without consensus they can be reverted. Where is the problem? <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-28T22:36:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Disagree</b> As this leads to continued use of “mebibyte” as a ‘disambiguation’ that only require more reading. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Disagree</b> Just ducks the issue <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z","author":"LeadSongDog","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2008-03-29T00:42:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Undecided</b>, although it's worth pointing out that this is effectively what we're left with "by default" if we can't come to consensus for the guideline; it would be bad to have a guideline indicating a consensus where there demonstrably isn't one. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T13:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Comment</b> The guideline should not state there is a consensus where there isn't one, but there is a (small) number of points for which there <i>is</i> a clear consensus. These points can be reflected in the guideline. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>)</li> <li><b>Disagree</b>, in terms of units of measurement, we need a clear, consistent policy for usage which applies consistently on a sitewide basis. Haphazard "consensus" by a few <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">would-be owners</a> of articles is not the way to go; that would create more ambiguity, not less. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-29T15:01:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Disagree</b>, that’s what we have the MoS for. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crissov" title="User:Crissov">Christoph</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crissov" title="User talk:Crissov">Päper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Crissov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[],"displayName":"Christoph"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crissov-2008-03-29T16:41:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Neutral</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Comment</b> I tend to agree with LeadSongDog and Crissov: this can only be an interim solution. In the long term we can hope for something better, but in the meantime I maintain this is the best we have. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T18:13:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Comment</b> A consensus guideline would certainly be preferable, if that can be achieved. --<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:28:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Comment</b> I would agree only if a consensus guideline cannot be crafted. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span>Disagree</b> - it's not the <i>best</i> method; it's just the most workable method. Nothing else can be reached with the polarized opinions present. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_\u201cmegabyte\u201d_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-The_best_method_to_disambiguate_“megabyte”_is_by_consensus_on_an_article_by"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"><span id=".22Megabyte.22_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span>"Megabyte" should be consistently used to denote 1 million bytes in all articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b>, that would be very difficult to do unless we can be <i>completely</i> sure of the intended meaning in every source, or reject any source that we couldn't be sure of in that way. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Comment</b>, "should" isn't "must", so exceptions are allowed e.g., exact citations ("640 kilobyte ought to be...") or product names, but it's not meant to be as lax as "if it's about RAM,,, if it's about HDD capacity". This statement explicitly does not mention whether MB has to be disambiguated and if yes, in which way. Sambc, I'd say if it's not possible to figure out how a source uses these units, the editor should either mention this or the source shouldn't be used at all. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T20:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Comment</b> The trouble with this is that, whether we like it or not, the megabyte is an ambiguous unit. (That's one of the few points that gains 100% consensus here). I don't think it is the role of Wikipedia to go around redefining words. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Reply</b> Self-standing MB is definitely ambiguous. As an example, it would be possible to add a disclaimer to each affected article, stating that Megabyte is used in accordance with IEC 60027-2 linked to an explanatory article. Just linking Megabyte might be insufficient if there are no inline disambiguations or similar. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b>. In the real world 1 MB can mean both 1,000 KB and 1,024 KB. It is not the job of an encyclopaedia to define it; it should state, with suitable and sufficient references, what definitions are used.<a href="/wiki/User:Pyrotec" title="User:Pyrotec">Pyrotec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrotec" title="User talk:Pyrotec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Pyrotec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:03:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-1"></span>Comment</b> If you use 1 MB to denote 1,000,000 Byte, that's not a new definition at all. It is one of the accepted definitions. If you already see the need to state which definition is used, wouldn't you agree that it's most sensible to use the same definition among all articles? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-1"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b> I thought long and hard about this. An encyclopaedia should certainly <i>aspire</i> to use units consistently, but the <a href="/wiki/Megabyte" title="Megabyte">megabyte</a>, like the poor old <a href="/wiki/Ton" title="Ton">ton</a>, is a lost cause. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T23:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-2"></span>Comment</b> If you consider the Megabyte a lost case, would you consider Megaoctet as alternative? There are certainly a very few cases where it cannot be used because the bytes have more or less than 8 bits, in all other cases, byte and octet are synonymous. My standpoint is, cherry-picking KiB/MiB/GiB from IEC 60027-2 because they are not conflicting, is fruitless. The binary prefixes are a compromise for certain contexts like those represented by JEDEC. But(!) the important part of this standard is restoring (or establishing if you will) the original meanings of the SI prefixes for the byte unit. It is more important because it's the much more difficult. Unlike the new prefixes it causes conflicts. In my opinion, it is not a valid approach to use a part of the standard and violate it at the same time, certainly not in the same article. If that's the idea, even the status quo is better because we don't need redundant prefixes just to prove we <i>could</i> do better. That would, in fact, border on space-cadetism. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.66.130">217.87.66.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.66.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.66.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z","author":"217.87.66.130","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.87.66.130-2008-03-29T23:53:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles-2"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b>, but usage should always be disambiguated <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b> The necessary flip side of this is that mebibyte is continued to be used to exclusively denote binary math. As this is a poorly recognized term for the general reader, it is unsuitable for use in an encyclopedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:56:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Disagree</b> Wikipedia is a tertiary source. We should follow the lead of the secondary sources, which for the most part use megabyte both ways and add notes as needed.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:30:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span>Agree</b> - Ideally, at least, we'd follow the standards. Unworkable, though. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"_should_be_consistently_used_to_denote_1_million_bytes_in_all_articles"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_220_bytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"><span id=".22Megabyte.22.2FMB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific.2Fnon-specialist_literature_.28magazines.2C_advertisements.2C_product_specifications.29_to_mean_220_bytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span>"Megabyte"/MB is widely used in non-scientific/non-specialist literature (magazines, advertisements, product specifications) to mean 2<sup>20</sup> bytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>; but it is also used as 10<sup>3</sup> x 2<sup>10</sup> bytes.<a href="/wiki/User:Pyrotec" title="User:Pyrotec">Pyrotec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrotec" title="User talk:Pyrotec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z","author":"Pyrotec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:08:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree on technical merits</b>, sure, it is, but then "cool" or "hot" is often used in such to mean "good" or "popular", and we would never, despite that, use those terms in such a way. This is a formal reference work, those are not, and so we use more formal terminology than ads and magazines. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z"></span>So are specification sheets (a formal reference), and they generally use MB when they want to say 2<sup>20</sup> bytes as well. It's not just adverts and vernacular magazines. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:17:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z"></span>Seraphimblade when you wrote "We are a formal reference work" you missed out the conclusion of thet statement which should be "We are a formal reference work so we must <b>reference</b> the sources that we use to write our articles". Also as SamBC points out reference sheets from manufacturers use MB etc in the binary sense. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-03-30T13:00:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z"></span>And as I have explained many times, measurement conversions are certainly allowable in referencing sources. That's done all the time and is accepted well beyond Wikipedia. The standards for the definitions of the measurements are easily accessible and referenced. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-03-30T13:13:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z"></span>You are still wrong because you forgot one thing, the measurement conversion has to improve the terms being disambiguated and at least have a chance of being well known by the average reader, like the metre for example. The IEC prefixes are virtually unknown and as such pushing for them to be used is against the policy of measurement conversions. This is the way Wikipedia works, it reflects common use. Wikipedia does not promote things from standards organisations when those things are not in common use and not used by the sources relevant to articles. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-03-31T09:30:00.000Z-Seraphimblade-2008-03-31T08:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> And in the context of RAM and file size, it is usually understood to mean binary values and typically needs no disambiguation. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T02:57:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> MB, megabyte and Mbyte are still the predominate units in scientific journals. (Search on IEEE database for articles published in 2007 and 2008.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Swtpc6800" title="User:Swtpc6800">SWTPC6800</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swtpc6800" title="User talk:Swtpc6800">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Swtpc6800","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T03:41:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>, but it is also widely used to mean 10<sup>6</sup> bytes. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>, but it is also widely used to mean 10<sup>6</sup> bytes. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:42:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazines,_advertisements,_product_specifications)_to_mean_one_million_bytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z"><span id=".22Megabyte.22.2FMB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific.2Fnon-specialist_literature_.28magazines.2C_advertisements.2C_product_specifications.29_to_mean_one_million_bytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z"></span>"Megabyte"/MB is widely used in non-scientific/non-specialist literature (magazines, advertisements, product specifications) to mean one million bytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T21:59:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>; but it is also used as 10<sup>3</sup> * 2<sup>10</sup> bytes.<a href="/wiki/User:Pyrotec" title="User:Pyrotec">Pyrotec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrotec" title="User talk:Pyrotec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Pyrotec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b> And a disambiguation is typically added to make it clear that decimal value applies (see all Seagate data sheets). <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:00:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span>Agree</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:33:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>, but it is also used to mean <i>both</i> 2<sup>20</sup> bytes and (less commonly) 10<sup>3</sup> * 2<sup>10</sup> bytes! <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:02:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span>Agree</b>, but it is also used to mean 2<sup>20</sup> bytes. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z-\"Megabyte\"\/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_literature_(magazi","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:43:00.000Z-"Megabyte"/MB_is_widely_used_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature_(magazi"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_literature" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z"><span id=".22Mebibyte.22.2FMiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific.2Fnon-specialist_literature"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z"></span>"Mebibyte"/MiB is used very infrequently in non-scientific/non-specialist literature<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:08:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:34:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:00:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Swtpc6800" title="User:Swtpc6800">SWTPC6800</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swtpc6800" title="User talk:Swtpc6800">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Swtpc6800-2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z","author":"Swtpc6800","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Swtpc6800-2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swtpc6800-2008-04-05T15:49:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span>Agree somewhat</b> - "very infrequently" is too extreme. It's used infrequently in non-scientific literature. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific\/non-specialist_litera","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:45:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is_used_very_infrequently_in_non-scientific/non-specialist_litera"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publishing_to_which_it_is_applicable" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"><span id=".22Mebibyte.22.2FMiB_is.2C_in_fact.2C_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publishing_to_which_it_is_applicable"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span>"Mebibyte"/MiB is, in fact, widely used in all or most areas of writing and publishing to which it is applicable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-03-29T20:02:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> Here is a blog from the <a href="/wiki/British_Computer_Society" title="British Computer Society">British Computer Society</a>'s web pages gives a computer professionals' perspective on the IEC standard <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConBlogEntry.330">[1]</a>. It is not widely known by computer specialists if this blog provides a representative viewpoint.<a href="/wiki/User:Pyrotec" title="User:Pyrotec">Pyrotec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrotec" title="User talk:Pyrotec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Pyrotec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":["c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z"></span>And here is a blog from an IBM employee for contrast: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://meta.ath0.com/2005/02/23/a-plea-for-sanity/">[2]</a> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:26:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-30T12:07:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:01:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:35:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> , of course. Claiming otherwise would be foolish. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:59:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span>Disagree</b> - It could be more widely used. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:55:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_is,_in_fact,_widely_used_in_all_or_most_areas_of_writing_and_publ"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_should_"lead_the_way"_in_their_use_rather_than_follow_the_real-world_use_pattern" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z"><span id=".22Mebibyte.22.2FMiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged.2C_and_wikipedia_should_.22lead_the_way.22_in_their_use_rather_than_follow_the_real-world_use_pattern"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z"></span>"Mebibyte"/MiB et al are good units that should be encouraged, and wikipedia should "lead the way" in their use rather than follow the real-world use pattern<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b>. That is not the job of an encyclopedia. If you look at <a href="/wiki/Encyclopedia" title="Encyclopedia">Encyclopedia</a>, its purpose is to collect knowledge and disseminate it, i.e. information should be provided about Mebibyte/MiB and about Megabyte/MB. It's function is not to promote the use of one set of units in preference to another (OK we have a preference for SI units, but this is not an argument over Imperial versus metric units, it is about counting, e.g. do we count in twos, or tens - or even hexadecimal).<a href="/wiki/User:Pyrotec" title="User:Pyrotec">Pyrotec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyrotec" title="User talk:Pyrotec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Pyrotec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyrotec-2008-03-29T22:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree.</b> It's not our job to promote anything. It <i>is,</i> however, our job to be clear, precise, and unambiguous. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpbsmith" title="User:Dpbsmith">Dpbsmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dpbsmith" title="User talk:Dpbsmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z","author":"Dpbsmith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpbsmith-2008-03-29T22:47:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-29T22:57:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Woodstone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodstone-2008-03-30T07:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Not that simple</b>, I don't think it's Wikipedia's job to either lead or follow. However, when a formal reference work is presented with one choice of terminology which is ambiguous, and one which is unambiguous, it should choose that which is unambiguous. Formal reference works routinely use terms which may not be immediately understood by the layperson. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z","author":"Seraphimblade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-2008-03-30T08:19:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b> Regarding Seraphimblade’s statement, using terminology that “is not widely recognized by the typical Wikipedia reader” (a statement he agreed with), has the practical effect—setting aside the issue of whether it is regarded as being important or not—of Wikipedia <i>trying to lead</i>. I don’t think it is wise for any encyclopedia to adopt key vernacular before it is widely recognized by the target audience. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-03-31T03:11:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Agree</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-03-31T07:53:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Comment</b> I agree with the first half and disagree with the second. We should adopt best practice which will sometimes mean using these units, but I don't see that as leading the way. That's why I disagree with the thesis. It's a close call though. Basically I agree with Seraphimblade. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-31T17:21:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b> This talk page voted on this proposal in July 2005: "The MoS should encourage the use of the IEC prefixes in <i>all</i> binary-multiple contexts."<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29/archive22#Unit_Disagreement.2C_MiB_vs._MB">[3]</a> Trying to "lead the way" can be difficult. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Swtpc6800" title="User:Swtpc6800">SWTPC6800</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swtpc6800" title="User talk:Swtpc6800">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z","author":"Swtpc6800","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swtpc6800-2008-03-31T23:46:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b> We should not push terminology that has not been widely adopted. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOAP">WP:SOAP</a>. We can be unambiguous in other ways.--<a href="/wiki/User:ArnoldReinhold" title="User:ArnoldReinhold">agr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArnoldReinhold" title="User talk:ArnoldReinhold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z","author":"ArnoldReinhold","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[],"displayName":"agr"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArnoldReinhold-2008-04-02T20:41:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span>Disagree</b> - Standards organizations, open-source software, and computer researchers have already led the way. Using standardized units consistently is appropriate for a general-purpose reference work, and does not "promote" anything. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z-\"Mebibyte\"\/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:58:00.000Z-"Mebibyte"/MiB_et_al_are_good_units_that_should_be_encouraged,_and_wikipedia_sho"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or_general_articles_should_use_Megabytes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z"><span id="Articles_on_technical.2Fspecialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes.2C_and_more_basic_or_general_articles_should_use_Megabytes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Articles on technical/specialist subject should use Mebibytes, and more basic or general articles should use Megabytes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or-Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or"></span>Disagree</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z-Articles_on_technical\/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T06:59:00.000Z-Articles_on_technical/specialist_subject_should_use_Mebibytes,_and_more_basic_or"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Headings_from_the_above_sections_that_have_complete_consensus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Headings_from_the_above_sections_that_have_complete_consensus-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Headings_from_the_above_sections_that_have_complete_consensus-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus"></span>Headings from the above sections that have complete consensus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Headings_from_the_above_sections_that_have_complete_consensus-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus"></span></h4></div> <p>Where at least five people have added votes these sections from above with the consensus are listed: </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Consensus </th> <th>Heading </th></tr> <tr> <td>Agree </td> <td>Specifying an exact number of bytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte” </td></tr> <tr> <td>Disagree </td> <td>"Megabyte" should be consistently used to denote 1 million bytes in all articles </td></tr> <tr> <td>Agree </td> <td>"Megabyte"/MB is widely used in non-scientific/non-specialist literature (magazines, advertisements, product specifications) to mean 2<sup>20</sup> bytes </td></tr> <tr> <td>Disagree </td> <td>"Mebibyte"/MiB is, in fact, widely used in all or most areas of writing and publishing to which it is applicable </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"></span>Conclusions of the above votes that can lead to changes in the current guideline<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-Proposed_change_to_wording_of_"Binary_prefix"_(2/3):_search_for_consensus-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"></span>For this question "Specifying an exact number of mebibytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”" there are 4 agree and 4 disagree, <b>no consensus</b>. For the other question "The best method to disambiguate “megabyte” is to specify an exact number of mebibytes" which has 6 disagree and 2 partial agree, <b>near consensus against</b>. For this question "Specifying an approximate number of mebibytes – e.g. 64MB (61MiB) – is an acceptable method to disambiguate "megabyte"" there are 5 agree and 4 disagree, <b>no consensus</b>. The results of these votes show that there is no clear consensus of support for the phrase in the current guideline which says "Use of IEC prefixes is also acceptable for disambiguation (256 KiB).". This is because the results of the votes clearly show there is no consensus for saying "is also acceptable" since the votes which use the word "acceptable" have <b>no consensus</b>. Since it is clear there is no clear consensus of support this also means therefore the whole phrase <b>should be removed</b>. Does anyone disagree with those figures? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline","replies":["c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"></span>I strongly disagree with your conclusion, and I belatedly update the figures, because I was unavailable to add my !votes (been busy offline), and will contribute to the totals in the following way: Q1: 4a vs. 4d + 1pa = NC. Q2: 6d vs. 3pa = NC. Q3: <b>6</b>a vs. 4d = NC. What you are missing is that the (now more positive) no consensus for question 3 is not "no consensus for the current text", it is <i>"no consensus to <b>change</b> the current text"</i>, bolstered very strongly by the fact that there is no consensus in favor of either of the proposed replacements (which are not different enough to matter, really, anyway - you might as well call it Q1+2: 10d vs. 4a + 4pa, which at least in XfD terms is usually close enough to a consensus <i>against</i> them. Please look into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CCC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CCC">WP:CCC</a> more closely. Consensus <i>can</i> change, but there has to be a <i>clear consensus on what new consensus to change it to</i>. We cannot <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LAWYER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LAWYER">game the system</a> by tweaking how consensus is established and undone for our convenience. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish">SMcCandlish</a></span></b> [<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">talk</a>] [<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">cont</a>] <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z","author":"SMcCandlish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-04T23:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z"></span>I note that the original vote to go with current MOSNUM policy (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_22" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Archive 22">archive #22 here</a>) was 20 for the policy and 7 against. That wouldn’t qualify either as a Wikipedia-style “consensus” (where it must be nearly unanimous); yet the policy was adopted anyway. In fact, I see that Omegatron at that time advocated slipping in the proposed policy promoting the IEC prefixes <u>without any vote whatsoever</u> and suggested that they all just see how it would <i>became</i> one. Consequently, I see the status quo as being somewhat of a double-standard. I don’t believe the proponents of retaining the current MOSNUM policy on binary prefixes can properly argue that it enjoys the shelter of being grandfathered in and should rightfully be protected by the requirement for a Wikipedia-style consensus to change it since there wasn’t a proper consensus for it to be adopted in the first place.<p>As Fnagaton pointed out above, if the current policy came up again for consideration, a proper consensus would <i>again be absent</i> if one objectively considers the consequences of the above position statements. It seems the proper thing to do is for MOSNUM to be silent on the issue of binary prefixes. Perhaps this will accelerate progress to a proposal that <i>can</i> achieve a proper consensus. That can only be a good thing as this debate keeps on coming up again and again. This should come as no surprise to anyone as this is simply a natural consequence of the current policy having been improperly adopted in the first place.</p><p>I would hope that whatever policy <i>is</i> adopted should start Wikipedia on a path for eventual convergence in how all articles across Wikipedia handle binary prefixes. As it currently stands, the terminology used on different articles means different things. Even Wikipedia isn’t imune from the fact that this is not a good practice. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T00:29:00.000Z"></span></p></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z"></span>I'm uncertain that you fully understand how WP consensus actually operates, because you keep speaking in terms of "votes" and "unanimity" neither of which have much at all to do with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a>. A 20 to 7 head-count, provided that the position of the 20 is reasonable, and the objections of the 7 can be rationally addressed even if not resolved, is usually enough to proceed (if it were not, AfD would rarely delete much of anything). It <i>isn't</i> a vote. If it were a 100 to 1 head count and the 100 were utterly full of crap and making irrational arguments, and the 1 was the only one with a logical position, things should proceed in the direction of the 1. This principle is (again) most clearly visible at AfD (e.g. when a big pile of fanbois want to keep some article on a minor Pokemon character or whatever, and a few people who understand how WP works say "well, no", and the article is deleted because the critics provide policy- and precedent-grounded reasons for deletion, and the keepers provide nothing but "I like it"-style arguments); that this happens is the entire basis of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AADD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AADD">WP:AADD</a>.</dd> <dd>The gist is that a finding of WP-style consensus cannot be thwarted with nonsense. Nor can it be thwarted by yelling, by wikilawyering, by attacks, by arguments that are fallacious, by stonewalling (i.e. being unwilling to compromise for the good of the encyclopedia because one's pet peeve is too strong), etc., etc. Numbers matter <i>to an extent</i>, as does the analysis of the merits of the positions of both sides <i>regardless</i> of their number. But the telling factors <i>here</i> are: The current text had way more support. It is stable. It is firmly within the spirit of WP and the MOS in that it declares outright that there is no consensus to prefer one over the other, and thus is doesn't mandate one or or the other. It provides guidance on nothing but <i>how to help the reader</i> by disambiguating and clarifying. And it strives to help editors avoid getting into editwars by suggesting that the symbols not be changed unless the editor is absolutely certain what they are doing. And it's been here a quite a while, minor twiddles notwithstanding. And it is largely being actually followed in real practice at WP. That makes it a consensus that has to be changed by the processes outlined at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CCC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CCC">WP:CCC</a>, and this has clearly not happened yet.</dd> <dd>WP's brand of consensus is like 10 friends deciding what to do for the evening. 4 want to go to a movie, 3 want to go to a night club, and 3 want to hit the local dive bar. After discussion 2 want to go to a movie, and 7 want to go clubbing, while 1 is still insistent on the bar. Then 8 are for the club, and the remaining movie guy doesn't want to go alone, so he opts for the bar because he's nervous in clubs. More discussion ensues, and the 8 basically say, "look, <i>we</i> eight are going clubbing, and <i>you</i> can either come with us and try to have a good time, or you can go to your bar have a great time if you're lucky or a lame time because your friends won't be there; c'mon." The hold-outs can either shrug and go along (and probably just get over it pretty quickly) or stick to their guns. If they say, "forget you, we're going to go to the bar", this does not change the fact that there was a general consensus of the "community" of the friends to hit the club; not unanimously, but oh well. They bulk of them will still (presumptively) have a good time, it's really doubtful that any friendships will actually fail to survive the disagreement, the hold-outs may or may not enjoy themselves by keeping themselves out of that mass excursion, and life goes on. Next week, clubbing are on the agenda again, but the hold-outs from last week say, "look, it was the club last week, and you guys said you didn't really have all <i>that</i> great a time, but me and Bob had a <i>blast</i> at the bar, you shoulda been there." And everyone agrees to check it out, except that two of the original movie fans are adamant about the movie, and one is going back to the club because he has a hot date there. Same scenario plays out - the movie fan's won't budge, and the clubber sure as heck won't. Consensus changed, despite the majority being in favor of the club again initially, and unanimity not being reached. The more cohesive mass, if you will, of that micro-community is going to the bar by consensus. WP:CONSENSUS and WP:CCC operate like this. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish">SMcCandlish</a></span></b> [<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">talk</a>] [<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">cont</a>] <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z","author":"SMcCandlish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T00:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"></span>SMcCandlish, the point it is not about what <i>you</i> disagree with. The point is also not about showing <i>consensus to change</i>. The point is not how much you can write about a topic that is not relevant to the actual point. The actual point above shows <b>there is a lack of consensus</b> to support "The Phrase" ("Use of IEC prefixes is also acceptable for disambiguation (256 KiB).") and because there is lack of consensus then that means it should be removed from the guideline. Just so you are absolutely clear, I have demonstrated where there is a current lack of consensus and unless you can show where there is current consensus to keep the phrase then it should to be removed. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:16:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"></span>SMcCandlish you also wrote "there is no consensus in favor of either of the proposed replacements" which is not true, the section "Specifying an exact number of bytes is an acceptable method to disambiguate “megabyte”" has consensus. It now has one late vote by an individual which I find to be ironic considering your quote from above about "<b>stonewalling</b>". Now then, it is absolutely clear that while there is no consensus of support for The Phrase there is consensus of support to use "an exact number of bytes" "to disambiguate “megabyte”". So the guideline should be updated to reflect that consensus and also updated where there is a lack of consensus. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1"></span>SMcCandlish I also urge you to keep your replies brief and on topic because otherwise it could be seen as going against your quote "Nor can it be thwarted <b>by yelling</b>, <b>by wikilawyering</b>, by attacks, <b>by arguments that are fallacious</b>". <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2008-04-05T05:39:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span>I strongly oppose such a conclusion. <b>Fnagaton</b>, you are cherry-picking and finessing to support your point of view. Fact is that it is not valid to take the results of a straw poll on a number of relatively independent, but sometimes regrettably intertwined, points and use them as justification for a change in the article when no one has expressed an opinion specifically on that change. Nor is it valid to assume that an <i>apparent</i> lack of consensus (based on the results of said straw poll) for a phrase currently in the article is equivalent to consensus for its removal. I submit that your proposal, while perhaps supported by the straw poll votes you mention, constitutes deprecation of the IEC standard, and the first three poll items clearly show that there is no support for such a move. (jeh)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This post above is an example of the parts of SMcCandlish's quote from above regarding "by yelling" and "by attacks". You see you claim "Fnagaton, you are cherry-picking and finessing to support your point of view" without actually giving any hard evidence. The first three poll items do not show what you claim because none of the first three poll section headings use the word "deprecation", to try to claim otherwise would be you applying your biased POV. This is because what I posted are the facts and what you posted is just bad faith accusation. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Just because the word "deprecation" does not appear does not mean that is not the view expressed. "Deprecate" means "express strong disapproval of" and the phrases "shall not routinely be used" (first straw poll option), "should be banned" (second and third), and "should be discouraged" (fourth) most certainy constitute expressing disapproval, "strong" in three cases out of four.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, there's the evidence: It appears to me that you ignored the poll results that didn't fit your conclusion. If you choose to consider that a "bad faith accusation", I don't see how that is supported: The poll results are there; in my view they actively oppose your conclusion; and you ignored them. That's QED in my book. But, see, I don't consider that "bad faith" on your part, merely a mistake. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span>(And if THAT constitutes in your view a personal attack, then what of your oft-repeated "you are wrong" proclamations? At the very least, I must say that that is a style of expression I do not often see on WP.) <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"></span>It doesn't matter that you strongly oppose because what matters is the demonstration of lack of consensus for support of The Phrase. So you are wrong because the facts as presented have nothing to do with what you call "point of view", the numbers speak for themselves. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>"It doesn't matter that (I) strongly oppose"? WOW. Do you, after all, consider your proposal to remove The Phrase a "done deal"? Sorry but you do not get to decide what "matters" and what doesn't, nor do you get to dismiss opposing viewpoints. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2"></span>To address your point: As I stated before, the fact that SOME straw poll results "speak for themselves" in apparent support of removal of The Phrase is not definitive. Even in the absence of any other results, this cannot be construed as direct support for removal of The Phrase, for reasons I have described and which you have yet to counter, let alone effectively rebut. Suppose there is significant opposition to removal of The Phrase here: Are you still going to point to those few straw poll results? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-2"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Lastly, the vote for the third hybrid propsal clearly shows a majority against using the IEC prefixes as described by The Phrase, so you are also wrong there. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z"></span>On the other hand, the votes on the first four straw poll items even more clearly show a majority against phraseology that would ban the use of IEC prefixes in most contexts -- and those contexts do include disambiguation. So where does that leave us? Time for more discussions and perhaps other proposals, I think. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span>But, perhaps there IS support for your proposal. Why don't you write up the before and after versions of that section per your proposal, and ask for votes? If the consensus is as you claim it is, what do you have to lose? (jeh)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>You are wrong because my edit "23:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)" is a write up of what is proposed. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z"></span>What is there to be "wrong" about in what I wrote there? "Perhaps there is support for your proposal." Hm, no, not that. "Why don't you write up your proposal and ask for votes?" Ok, you already described it, but you're not quite there: You haven't asked for votes. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span>And speaking of yelling, you might consider not addressing people in such a superior-sounding tone, particularly your near-constant use of "you are wrong." Personally, I read your "you are wrong" as simply "I disagree", and no one else should put any more stock in that phrase of yours than that. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z"></span>I am not yelling though, I am using the facts the prove you wrong. I am also using an exact tone which counters your bad faith personal attack tone you are using. The fact is you are now trying to use ad hominem instead of tackling the facts of my argument. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z"></span>I didn't say you <i>were</i> yelling, I said "speaking of". Perhaps I should have said "speaking of your accusation of yelling". You took it upon yourself to criticize (or in your word, "attack") another editor's posting style, but you yourself are exempt from any such criticism? Even when introduced with "you might consider"? Please. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span>GregL</b>, your conclusions are not supported. First off, SMcCandlish has shown that the previous adoption of the phrase <i>did</i> achieve "consensus" by WP's rules. If you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> you will find that nowhere is it stated that support "must be nearly unanimous", only that everyone agrees to abide by the conclusion. There is an important difference.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Second, GregL, you cannot interpret the results of the straw poll as "support" or "oppose" for the current text, any more than Fnagaton can do so for a change to the text. (But if you insist on doing so, I submit that you are attempting to deprecate the use of the IEC prefixes, and that in the votes on the first few straw poll questions you will find overwhelming opposition to that notion.)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The straw poll consists of a number of questions on "small" points, some overlapping, some with two points wrapped into one question, and (most crucially) <i>each having a different weight in each participant's mind.</i> Consider: When I vote for a candidate that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with all of that candidate's positions on the issues. It means that that candidate is the best compromise as far as I am concerned. Someone reading my answers to a straw poll such as the one here might conclude that I would vote a different way, but they don't know my priorities. It might be that the candidate I vote for agrees with me on only three out of twelve issues, but that those three are the most important to me.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As I suggested to Fnagaton: if you want to find out how people would vote on the current phrasing, if it were proposed now, why not make that a poll item? It's not as if it's difficult.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The straw poll is useful for developing suggested changes. But you can't take its results and then interpret them as support for a change that hasn't been specifically discussed here. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T07:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"></span>You are wrong because the very fact that I created the section proposing this means the change is specifically being discussed here. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z"></span>I am glad you agree that we are DISCUSSING the change here, and you are not already concluding that support has already expressly been given for your proposed change. Therefore I hope you will set up a vote on <b>exactly</b> your proposed change. Not something "close to", not something "supported by" the straw poll, but exactly your proposed change. If you don't, I will, but my wording might not exactly match what you want. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span>I note another bad faith attempt at misrepresentation because what you are writing has no basis according to the facts above, my first post in this section "23:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)" opens the matter up for discussion. You will note the language "should be" is not the same as "must be" for example. The change is already explictly stated above by my summary at the start of this section, you may either add your agree or disagree as you see fit in this section and treat it as a poll if you wish. But first you should answer the question put directly to you below in post "09:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)". <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z"></span>A "bad faith attempt at misrepresentation"? Where? What did I misrepresent? What did I say you said, that you didn't say? I expressed gladness that you consider your proposed change open for discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1"></span>I do note, however, that you concluded that edit by asking only "Does anyone disagree with those figures?" as if to suggest that the only things open for discussion were the specific figures you had quoted. If I was in error in thinking you might have intended to narrow the discussion in that (or any other) way, then again, I am glad. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Bad faith misrepresentation by trying to imply I am not discussing this when in actual fact I am. You are in error. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2"></span>I also have extreme misgivings when you tell me "It doesn't matter that you strongly oppose because what matters is the demonstration of lack of consensus for support of The Phrase." That's not a "representation", "mis-" or otherwise, that's a direct quote from you. Are you in fact agreeing that your proposal (not just a few points in support of it) for removal of The Phrase is completely open for discussion? If so, again, I am glad. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:27:00.000Z-2"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"></span>That is an irrelvant question because it is a strawman based on you being in error above. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:19:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"></span>"If you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> you will find that nowhere is it stated that support "must be nearly unanimous", only that everyone agrees to abide by the conclusion." - I'm glad you wrote that because you're now admitting there doesn't need to be a unamimous conclusion. So looking near the top of the page the results of the third hybrid proposal show a clear majority approving the proposed text. Do you agree to abide by the conclusion? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T08:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"></span>One, you are being unnecessarily argumentative: I never claimed there needed to be a unanimous conclusion (in fact that was your friend here GregL), so your crowing that I am now "admitting" there doesn't need to be one is completely unfounded. Two, SMcCandlish's points apply: Just because there is a 13 to 9 majority does not mean "the motion carries" here. Particularly since the third proposal clearly constitutes deprecation of the IEC prefixes and the first three -- no, <i>four</i> straw poll questions clearly show opposition to such a move, in fact with a far greater ratio than 13 to 9. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3","c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4","c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span>I am not "being unnecessarily argumentative" and I note another of your bad faith accusations. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Would you like to address the fact that you were attributing to me a position I never held? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1"></span>The fact is that you are wrong, this has been demonstrated and you have not refuted my point. Again, the first three (or four) votes do not support what you claim because they are on different issues and "you are cherry-picking and finessing to support your point of view". (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The view the first three or four straw poll items express is on all fours with your proposed removal of "the phrase." And they were all soundly rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2"></span>Yes I just used your own quote, this is to demonstrate exactly how illogical your "argument" is. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>On the contrary. You were using a few poll results to show support for your proposal. I'm adding a few more poll results to show that there are strong dissenting views to your proposal. But I'm not denying that your poll results exist, nor am I denying that they are applicable. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-2"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3"></span>The third propsal does not "constitute deprecation of the IEC prefixes" as you claim, in actual fact the third proposal does not support the pushing of the POV that IEC prefixes can be used, that is the key difference. The third proposal reduces the bias in the current guideline by relfecting real world consensus better. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The status quo is to allow the use of IEC prefixes in many contexts. I don't see that it "pushes" anything, it merely allows their use. The third proposal expressly states that "it is no longer permissible on Wikipedia to routinely use the IEC 60027-2 binary prefixes" except in quoted text, descriptions of the prefixes themselves, etc. That most certainly constitutes deprecation of current practice, and it is most certainly in conflict with the results of the first three or even four straw poll items. Please also note that while a change to the status quo requires consensus, there is no requirement I can find to repeatedly demonstrate consensus for <i>keeping</i> the status quo. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-3"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3"></span>Lastly (here), your assertion that it "reduces the bias" is your opinion. It furthermore presumes that bias exists, but I see no bias in merely allowing. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-3"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4"></span>Also your statement "a 13 to 9 majority does not mean..." contradicts your earlier post "<i>you will find that nowhere is it stated...</i>". (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Let's complete that quote, it was "you will find that nowhere is it stated that support "must be nearly unanimous", only that everyone agrees to abide by the conclusion." And that's accurate from what I can see in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a>. I don't see how this contradicts "Just because there is a 13 to 9 majority does not mean "the motion carries" here." <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> is in fact quite clear that results of votes, while useful to determine opinions, do not by themselves constitute consensus. For example, "Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day; they are based on a system of good reasons." <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z-4"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span>The 13 to 9 majority clearly does show majority support for the proposed text, to try to claim otherwise is illogical. (fnagaton)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I'm not claiming otherwise. I agree that that particular vote clearly does show majority support for the proposed text. However I am claiming that the votes on the first three or four straw poll items show the opposite conclusion. We do therefore <i>not</i> have consensusas defined by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a>. Indeed, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> clearly states that "Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day; they are based on a system of good reasons." Many good reasons have been expressed in opposition to your and GregL's proposals, and until I and several others here are satisfied as to our objections, you cannot claim any sort of consensus, even though you have a majority on one particular vote on one particular proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T03:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span>So I have to ask again since you did not give a valid answer last time, do you agree to abide by the conclusion? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T09:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z"></span>You may feel you "have to ask", but I'm not required to give any answer, let alone an answer that you'll consider "valid." I am interested in arriving at a conclusion supported by consensus; take that for what you will. I suspect that any further discussion along this line will be fruitless. Why don't you set up a vote on your specific proposal? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span>I already said you can put your vote in this section if you wish, the exact proposal is in my first post of this section. I'll make it simpler for you, this section is to be used for votes for the proposed change to the existing guideline which is at the start of the section. So to be completely clear, you wrote "<i>only that everyone agrees to abide by the conclusion</i>" and yet when I ask you the question "<i>do you agree to abide by the conclusion?</i>" you refure to answer. Your refusal to answer your own statement is interesting. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:58:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"></span>Also you wrote "<i>The straw poll consists of a number of questions on "small" points, some overlapping, some with two points wrapped into one question, and (most crucially) each having a different weight in each participant's mind.</i>" - Putting it another way this means "even if some people have reservations about some individual parts of the proposal they can still support it as a whole", don't you agree? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T09:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z"></span>Yes, it COULD mean that. But it mightalso mean "som people have enough reservations about some individual parts of the proposal that they cannot support the proposal as a whole." Don't you agree that that's a possible conclusion? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T10:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span>That is irrelevant and I'll explain below as to why. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:46:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"></span>Blimey, someone ought to knock some heads together here. Regardless of who's been more unreasonable, or was unreasonable first, most of the contributors to this subsubsection have been unreasonable now. Calm down, let's try a different approach. (Sambc) </p> <dl><dd>I'm not uncalm. Except when someone tells me my opinions and arguments "do not matter". <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span>Sambc you spoiled my fun. :( As I was going to post in reply to Jeh this "can't draw a conclusion from a minority subset of the straw polls" applies to the case for when he tries to take the first three/four polls and try to claim that means IEC prefixes cannot be deprecated and it shows why his argument is illogical and therefore wrong. This is because if you look at the poll results for the third hybrid proposal then there is clear majority support for the proposed wording, regardless of his claim of what the first three/four votes mean. This is of course because the proposed text as a whole outweighs whatever individual concerns might be expressed in the "micro votes" on those individual issues. So Jeh is absolutely sure, his claims that the results of the first three/four micro votes "clearly show opposition to such a move" is completely irrelevant according to his earlier post and now your post. Yes I have again used Jeh's own quotes to refute his later points, again this is to show how illogical his argument actually is. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z"></span>Except no-one has expressed agreement with your reasoning. In fact, I get the feeling that several people feel it is faulty, and at least one has explained why, and been confronted simply with contradiction from you. You are not the arbiter or logic and reason, in fact no individual is, especially here. Get off the high horse. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z"></span>You are wrong, as shown by this comment "As Fnagaton pointed out above, if the current policy came up again for consideration, a proper consensus would again be absent if one objectively considers the consequences of the above position statements. It seems the proper thing to do is for MOSNUM to be silent on the issue of binary prefixes." from 00:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:22:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Being_more_rational" data-mw-thread-id="h-Being_more_rational-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Being_more_rational-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"></span>Being more rational<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Being_more_rational-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z-Being_more_rational"></span>We can't draw a conclusion from a minority subset of the straw polls; we need to consider them as a whole, possibly discarding the ones that were felt to be faulty as premises. So why don't we do that instead, hmm? <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z-Being_more_rational" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z-Being_more_rational"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z-Being_more_rational","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z-Being_more_rational"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"></span>Which brings us back to the third hyrbid proposal text. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T11:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z"></span>Ah, it seems to me that it brings us back to refining the straw polls. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span>To Fnagaton: Many editors, including myself and Jeh, have expressed reasoned opposition to the deprecation of IEC units. It is clear to us that you believe that they should <s>not be permitted</s> <b>only be permitted in exceptional circumstances</b>. It should be equally clear to you by now that we believe <s>they should</s><b> the proposed restrictions are unwarranted</b>. The way towards consensus is to reword the proposal (which contains many good elements) without said deprecation. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-05T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span>By the way "It is clear to us that you believe that they should not be permitted" is not an accurate summary of my position so please do not repeat it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z"></span>Even with the strikeouts and replaced text that still doesn't accurately reflect my position. There is nothing about "exceptional circumstances" in my position. My position is accurately summarised here in this <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29&diff=199584304&oldid=199541093">diff</a>. You will notice it is much more unbiased than your statement implies, this is because I advocate removing "no consensus for using IEC prefixes" and also removing any hint that one standards body is better or worse than another. This is acomplished by not advocating any specific standards body thus being completely neutral on the matter. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T13:38:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span>Jeh is not using reasoned opposition though because he fails to apply his own "points" to his own position, this I've shown by using his own quotes to refute his own position. ;) Also he is using too many personal attacks instead of tackling the fatcs of the matter, another reason why he is not using reasoned opposition. The problem is you say deprecation when the actual problem is that the guideline pushes a point of view that IEC can be used which is contrary to real world consensus. Many other editors do not want to see that kind of POV pushing in the guideline.[break] <dl><dd>If Jeh has made those mistakes, then it is as nothing to the extent that you have made them. You argue in circles, tell other people they they are wrong without any qualification, and claim victory using logical paths that no-one else seems to see the validity of. Your conduct is most unbecoming, please take a break. No final decision will be made in the next 24 hours, why not take them off and chill? <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span>You are incorrect because I always qualify why someone is wrong, especially with the case of using Jeh's own text to refute his own position. I note your use of ad hominem instead of tackling the real issue. I am chilled, it is you who is using personal attacks and not being civil so I suggest you go off and relax, or you can apologise. I don't mind which. I also do not "argue in circles" as you put it, what I was doing was getting Jeh to say enough so that he would refute his own position. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This means, of course, that unless you compromise on the position of pushing for IEC prefixes to be included in the guideline then no matter how long we debate this it will always come back to that point. There has been compromise from the other side by allowing IEC prefixes in articles where the reliable sources use them, so now it is your turn to compromise. So if you are not going to compromise then the vote on the third hybrid proposal stands, which means it has majority support. Do you agree the third hyrbid proposal has majority support? (You just have to look at the numbers.) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z","c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T11:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"></span>Please do not edit your points after you have posted them; it makes it harder for people to respond. Add another point instead, or use the preview feature until you are happy with what you've written. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Until someone responds to something I'll edit it as many times as is needed to make the point as clearly as it is possible to make it in the limited time available. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z"></span>My point is that it makes it very hard <i>to</i> respond; it took me at least 3 attempts to respond to you there, because you kept changing it and adding points. Fixing typos is one thing, but adding stuff to an existing paragraph is rarely necessary, as a second paragraph can be added instead; thus it isn't worth the difficulty it causes the editors who are trying to discuss things with you. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Edit conflicts are a way of life here. ;) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T15:10:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T15:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"></span>No-one would disagree that it had majority support at the time people were !voting on it. However, there is reason to reject the idea that it has <i>consensus</i>, and there's also ample reason to suppose that it might not have majority support <i>now</i>, as different people are in the discussion, and there has been debate that may have changed minds. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T11:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z"></span>We come back to what consensus is again. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T12:29:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T12:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Call_for_arbitration_then" data-mw-thread-id="h-Call_for_arbitration_then-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Call_for_arbitration_then-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Call for arbitration then<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Call_for_arbitration_then-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z-Call_for_arbitration_then"></span>All: It seems that SMcCandlish has advanced some well researched reasons quoting existing Wikipedia policy on how the current MOSNUM policy on binary prefixes was properly adopted. This is something Fnagaton and I don’t agree with. This reminds me of negotiations during the Vietnam war when the parties couldn’t even agree to the shape of the negotiating table they were supposed to eventually sit around. The two sides here—myself included—have <i>got</i> to find some common ground. The whole notion of pretending that the current MOSNUM policy on binary prefixes was properly framed and therefore should stay as current policy has the effect of leaving things precisely as they have been since it was first adopted: with nothing but conflict among editors. Further, there are now different Wikipedia articles that follow different methods of denoting computer memory. And the result of that? There is no easy way for readers to discern which convention is used. That’s complete garbage. So… </p><p><b>I hereby make a call that we bring an administrator in to arbitrate on this.</b> So I ask this: who here refuses to even accede to the intervention of arbitrator? Is there anyone here who wants to take the position that the current policy was properly framed, and 2) they are so convinced of their position on this point that they won’t budge and even accede to arbitration? <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z-Call_for_arbitration_then" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z-Call_for_arbitration_then"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z-Call_for_arbitration_then","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z-Call_for_arbitration_then"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. There's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFArb" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFArb">arbitration</a>, which is a fairly long process not really applicable. Or there's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFM">formal</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDCAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDCAB">informal</a> mediation, and I can't remember whether they'd accept this question, and in either case wouldn't determine an outcome, just help the parties involved to do so. Administrators have no extra standing to determine cases like this either. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z","c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"></span>It doesn’t have to be these more complex routes. The simplest possible path. We simply agree to have an uninvolved volunteer administrator (that rules out Omegatron) step in and we agree to abide by that individual’s guidance and decisions. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span>That could only <i>possibly</i> work if the administrator also had no pre-existing opinion on the matter. It is my feeling that any administrator (or any user) who'd be good for the job would, for the same reasons they'd be good, not be prepared to do it. It also falls so far outside normal wikipedia practice as to make me uncomfortable, and I expect others. Your preemptive <i>ad hominem</i> ("so convinced of their position on this point that they won't budge and eve accede to arbitration", as if that's the only reason to object) is also rather disturbing. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z"></span>Oh common SamBC, my <i>“preemptive ad hominem”</i> was “rather disturbing” because you took it precisely as I intended: “I double dare you.” Are you going to get all sideways on a little challenge here? It wasn’t even directed so much at you as it was to some others who I anticipate might be more inclined to object to arbitration; you’ve seemed to be more flexible. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z"></span>Actually, that's <i>exactly</i> what I thought you were doing, and that's my problem. You're suggesting that anyone who has any problem with your suggestion is trying to dodge things, and that's a pretty big, non-AGF assumption, as I've tried to illustrate. I <i>am</i> flexible, both in methods and outcomes, but everything has an elastic limit. <a href="/wiki/User:Sambc" title="User:Sambc">SamBC</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sambc" title="User talk:Sambc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z","author":"Sambc","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sambc-2008-04-05T19:47:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"></span>I would propose we ask <a href="/wiki/User:Theresa_knott" title="User:Theresa knott">User:Theresa knott</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theresa_knott">contribs</a>). I know she’s good but have no idea if she’d take this roll on. I had a run-in with another administrator who I thought had a “little Napoleon” syndrome problem and power had gone to his head. It didn’t seem that she “intervened” in the literal sense, but she cooled me down and things with the rogue admin seemed to just go better after she made a comment or two for us to both look at. If someone wants to propose another admin, that’s fine; we can contact them both and see if they want to tag team, or accept, or decline, or whatever. The only criteria is they should be 1) an extremely experienced admin, 2) who stays out of computer-related articles and 3) typically has only peripheral involvement with MOSNUM. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z-Sambc-2008-04-05T18:33:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z"></span>A single arbitrator is probably a bad idea - any one person can make a misteak.</dd> <dd>This does raise the question of what to arbitrate or mediate, I see two possiblities</dd> <dd>1. There appears to be agreement that the original policy was achieved by <i>consensus</i> but there is now a question over the meaning of the sentence: <dl><dd><dl><dd>"There is no consensus to use the newer IEC-recommended prefixes in Wikipedia articles to represent binary units"</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Some editors seem to think this means the consensus is to not use IEC-recommended prefixes while other editors seem to think the consensus is to allow editors the choice of using IEC-recommended prefixes where the editor views them appropriate. I suggest starting with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDCAB">informal mediation</a> is appropriate. If necessary we can continue the resolution process thru <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFArb">arbitration</a>. It the question that started this whole discussion and I think can have a yes or no answer.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>2. Some editors want to rewrite the entire MOSNUM on binary prefixes. I doubt if any mediator or arbitration panel wants to go the the detail hereinabove or below. Perhaps if we get an answer to the above question thru mediation or, if necessary, arbitration, then the folks that disagree with the answer can craft alternative MOSNUM on binary prefixes and then present that for arbitration by a panel. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-05T19:37:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T19:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span>We can’t have a situation where the waring parties here try to negotiate “what’s on the table for discussion” and “what each party is willing to put up to arbitration.” The point of arbitration is break a deadlock and <i>everything</i> has to be on the table. The parties simply have to agree to two points: 1) that there is a significant number of people on both sides of the issue, and 2) that they agree that nothing is “on” or “off” the table when arbitration is called for. If we can’t agree to solve this on our own, then there a number of ways to resolve it in the long run. Proponents of keeping the current policy are completely deluding themselves if they think they are somehow grandfathered in. Wikipedia policy on “consensus” speaks of “consensus minus one”, “consensus minus two or three”. A policy that was adopted with a 20:7 in favor was improperly adopted in the first place and therefore does not enjoy the immunity from change afforded by Wikipedia’s “consensus”. MOSNUM policy is a <i>guideline</i>, for other editors to follow. It isn’t some sort of law that has to be observed like that governing personal attacks. <i>Anyone</i> can edit MOSNUM guidelines; as Omegatron recently demonstrated in the last few weeks. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z"></span>GregL, can you please tell me where in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> it says anything about "consensus minus one" or "consensus minus two"? I sure can't find it. (Edit: And neither can Google, at least not on any actual WP policy pages.) I do find on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a> an explicit statement that "Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day." Where exactly do you find these references to e.g. "consensus minus one"? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T20:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span>I agree</b> with the call for arbitration and I agree with Greg's choice of uninvolved administrator. The three criteria from Greg (19:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)) is also very important for the reasons he stated. Also as Greg points out to Tom94022 we cannot have arbitration on one tiny micro issue (Tom's post at 19:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)) for the same reasons as those posted by myself and SamBC regarding drawing a conclusion from a subset of the straw polls. The issue is neatly summarised by the majority vote in favour of the third hybrid proposal text and it is that vote that is the most recent, extant and conclusive test of consensus. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z-Greg_L-2008-04-05T18:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z"></span>"Arbitration" is, according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARB">WP:ARB</a>, a) conducted by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC">Arbitration Committee</a>, not someone of our choosing, and b) supposed to be the <i>last</i> stage in [[WP:DR|dispute resolution] here. Have you actually <i>read</i> WP:ARB? It seems to me from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">WP:DR</a> that the next step should be either informal mediation (conducted by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MC">"mediation cabal"</a>) or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:M" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:M">formal mediation</a>. Either way, you don't get to pick the mediator. That said, I think asking for informal mediation would be a good step. But I disagreee regarding the points of dispute. I don't think you can just ask a mediator to come in and "resolve the dispute." We don't all have to agree on all of the points of dispute, but I think it would be worthwhile for each of us to list the points each of us feels are in contention. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T20:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z"></span>If 20:9 is not consensus then 13:9 (EDIT: Now 13:10 - jeh) certainly is not any consensus for change! This started as a simple dispute between Fnagaton and Omegatron over the meaning of the one sentence; to me that sounds like a dispute that can and should be resolved thru the Wiki conflict resolution processes. I for one would not agree to a single arbitrator. To expect a group of administrators (or even one) to take the time to go thru all of the above and below and then draft a policy is unrealistic. On the other hand, taking the simple question forward will resolve the issue. If Fnagaton won't start the dispute process on this one issue, I hope Omegatron does. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z","c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T06:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"></span>This huge discussion certainly isn't about "one sentence". I was going to start dispute resolution against Fnagaton with another editor co-signing in January over his revert warring then, but got sidetracked by real life. I really don't have a lot of patience for this stuff. We obviously need some mediation from third parties who aren't going to have their own opinions on the subject. Biased admins like myself are obviously no help. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z","author":"Omegatron","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z"></span>Which you should have done and I would have welcomed because dispute resolution would have told you to <b>talk about your changes to MOSNUM and to try to get consensus first</b> and to not try to edit war your changes into MOSNUM guidelines and also you would have been told not to make personal attacks and pathetic threats about blocking. This is documented in the ANI against you and which was counter signed by two other editors. I told you before, do not try to misrepresent the facts because the documented facts point against you since you are in the wrong here. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:31:00.000Z-Omegatron-2008-04-06T07:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Anything that breaks this logjam will be a welcome change. It’s clear from the spectacular amount of polling on various points above that we editors here have put in a good-faith effort to understand each others’ position in an effort to try to find some common ground. What other techniques are available to resolve this that we haven’t already tried? I don’t care if it’s “informal” or “formal” or whatever; if it’s new, we should try it and get ourselves of this rut. <a href="/wiki/User:Greg_L" title="User:Greg L">Greg L</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greg_L" title="User talk:Greg L">my talk</a>)</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z","author":"Greg L","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greg_L-2008-04-06T01:43:00.000Z-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Points_for_mediation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Points_for_mediation-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Points_for_mediation-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span>Points for mediation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Points_for_mediation-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Points_for_mediation"></span>I propose that all who are involved in this dispute should add the questions they would like a mediator to address to this section. I propose that if you don't agree that a question someone else has added here should be addressed by a mediator, simply add whatever points you do want addressed. This list will then be a union (set theory) of all parties' requests for mediation, rather than an intersection. </p><p>I would like to strongly discourage <i>discussion</i> of these points <i>in this section</i> as I think it would help things if we just had all of the points listed, as succintly as possible. Of course this is not at all meant to discourage discussion of these points, but I feel it would be better to do that in another section. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Points_for_mediation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Points_for_mediation"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Points_for_mediation","replies":["c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1","c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2","c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Points_for_mediation"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span>Question:</b> 1. Whether or not the current MOSNUM policy on binary prefixes, prior to the beginning of the current dispute (need a more precise date here, and a link to MOSNUM of that date), represented consensus at the time according to the guidelines in <i>WP:CON</i>, even though support in the discussion was not unanimous. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1"></span>Question:</b> 2. Whether or not consensus support has been shown for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Third.2C_hybrid_proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)">"third hybrid proposal"</a>, and that therefore <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSNUM#Binary_prefixes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSNUM">WP:MOSNUM#Binary_prefixes</a> should be changed to the wording of that proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-1"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2"></span>Question:</b> 3. Whether or not the votes on the first four items of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)">the straw poll</a> show consensus that the current MOSNUM policy on binary prefixes should not be changed to discourage or prohibit their use to a greater degree than is currently supported by that policy. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z-2"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span>Question:</b> 4. Whether or not the votes on the first four items of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Attempt_to_find_out_where_everyone_stands_on_separate_points" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)">the straw poll</a> are sufficient to show <i>lack of</i> consensus for any proposal that would discourage or prohibit the use of binary prefixes to a greater degree than is currently supported by MOSNUM. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:29:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span>Question:</b> 5. Referring to the previous discussion that concluded with the current wording (need a link here to the archived discussion), whether "There is no consensus to use the newer IEC-recommended prefixes in Wikipedia articles to represent binary units" should be interpreted to mean a) that the consensus is to not use IEC-recommended prefixes, or b) that the consensus was to allow editors the choice of using IEC-recommended prefixes where the editor views them appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z","author":"Jeh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:34:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with this for exactly the same reasons as before since you cannot try to use results of individual straw polls or micro issues to try to push through your own point of view. The arbitration must only use the third hybrid proposal text which has been voted on. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:47:00.000Z-Jeh-2008-04-06T08:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Building_on_common_ground" data-mw-thread-id="h-Building_on_common_ground-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Building_on_common_ground-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span>Building on common ground<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Building_on_common_ground-Conclusions_of_the_above_votes_that_can_lead_to_changes_in_the_current_guideline-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span></h5></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"></span>Well, I think there <i>is</i> common ground, and that it’s worth trying to build on it. For a start, we all agree that the megabyte is an ambiguous unit, right? And nearly all of us (9 out of 11) agree that its disambiguation should be encouraged. Perhaps the other two have good reasons for not (yet) agreeing, so let’s ask them. </p> <ul><li>Fnagaton: why do you disagree with the statement <i>Disambiguation of “megabyte” should be encouraged</i>?</li> <li>SamBC: why are you undecided about the same statement?</li> <li>To both: Can you suggest a way of rephrasing the statement in a form that you can agree with?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z","author":"Thunderbird2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground","replies":["c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z","c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for reminding me, no we don't all agree on the ambiguous "thing", I have to change my vote because just because something has two definitions it doesn't mean it is ambiguous to everyone (actually I think most people who read the article and need to know about byte sizes will already know the finer details from the context) and because the word ambiguous is being used by some to push their POV that IEC should be used instead. The word "ambigous" has too much POV attached to it to be a useful. As for the encouraging disambiguation 1) It expresses a point of view that is not accurate in all situations and is not relevant to all situations. 2) Advocating/mentioning/encouraging disambiguation of prefixes with IEC prefixes is not acceptable because it is pushing a particular point of view. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:14:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span>As for wording that I would be happy with, look at the "First draft for consideration". In that proposal you will see no advocacy of either system, you will also not see any unfair/unbalanced deprecation of either system. You agree with those statements, yes? Another example would be "These prefixes (KB/MB/GB etc) are defined with decimal and binary meanings so disambiguation may be needed". <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z-Thunderbird2-2008-04-05T21:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z"></span>IMO, "without using any other prefix styles" is unfair and unbalanced deprecation of the unambiguous IEC binary system. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom94022" title="User:Tom94022">Tom94022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom94022" title="User talk:Tom94022">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom94022-2008-04-06T00:31:00.000Z-Fnagaton-2008-04-05T22:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"></span>No it's not unfair or unbalanced deprecation of IEC prefixes because the definition of deprecation is "to express earnest disapproval of". Nowhere does my proposal specifically express earnest disapproval of only IEC prefixes. Unless you can prove the contrary then you're going to have to concede that point.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>In the current text, specifically mentioning IEC prefixes is to advocate IEC prefixes and that is pushing a biased POV. Putting it another way, specifically mentioning IEC prefixes is actually unfair and unbalanced advocation of IEC prefixes. Pushing a biased POV towards either of the prefixes is unacceptable. Therefore the only choice is to find the middle ground and that means removing any biased POV towards either prefix style. Which is why I proposed the text. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Fnagaton" title="User:Fnagaton">Fnag</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnagaton" title="User talk:Fnagaton">aton</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_B9#c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z","author":"Fnagaton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground","replies":[],"displayName":"Fnag"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fnagaton-2008-04-06T09:43:00.000Z-Building_on_common_ground"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐int.codfw.main‐849f99967d‐br458 Cached time: 20241124003538 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.209 seconds CPU time usage: 0.502 seconds Real time usage: 0.566 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1224/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 2157/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 118/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 14/100 Expensive parser function count: 13/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 1661/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.050/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 989506/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 101.526 1 Template:Talkarchive 100.00% 101.526 1 -total 23.09% 23.444 2 Template:Is_redirect 6.29% 6.387 1 Template:FULLBASEPAGENAME 4.19% 4.259 1 Template:Ns_has_subpages 1.89% 1.914 2 Template:Yesno --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:16792582-0!canonical and timestamp 20241124003538 and revision id 1088879508. 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