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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sean.hoyland-20241031165200-Scharb-20241031154400">28 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>12 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-93.173.53.240-20241009083700-Combatant_casualties"></span>This article is missing any discussion of combatant casualties in the Gaza strip. Please rectify this <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.173.53.240" title="Special:Contributions/93.173.53.240">93.173.53.240</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:93.173.53.240&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:93.173.53.240 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-93.173.53.240-20241009083700-Combatant_casualties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-93.173.53.240-20241009083700-Combatant_casualties"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-93.173.53.240-20241009083700-Combatant_casualties"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500-93.173.53.240-20241009083700"></span>Your request does not appear to be related to this article. Perhaps try the read aloud option in your web browser. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500-93.173.53.240-20241009083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500-93.173.53.240-20241009083700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500-93.173.53.240-20241009083700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NadVolum-20241009105900-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span>The recently added table at the top of <a href="/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Civilian_to_military_ratio" title="Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war">Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war#Civilian to military ratio</a> may answer their query. Until recently it has been hard to find any reliable source for this. We still don't have accurate figures but this at least gives a reasonable range of estimates. <a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NadVolum" title="User talk:NadVolum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-NadVolum-20241009105900-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NadVolum-20241009105900-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NadVolum-20241009105900-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vice_regent-20241009173500-NadVolum-20241009105900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> any feedback on that? I don't think we should all multiple IDF claims to that table as that would be undue. We should take the latest Israeli claim as representative of their position, so the June entry should be enough.<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vice_regent" title="User talk:Vice regent">VR</a></b> <sub>(Please <a href="/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping</a> on reply)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Vice_regent-20241009173500-NadVolum-20241009105900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vice_regent-20241009173500-NadVolum-20241009105900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vice_regent-20241009173500-NadVolum-20241009105900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NadVolum-20241009200000-Vice_regent-20241009173500"></span>Seems reasonable to me. Actually they came out with a claim of 17,000 in August. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/how-far-has-israel-got-towards-eliminating-hamas-psp7ppg5">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NadVolum" title="User talk:NadVolum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-NadVolum-20241009200000-Vice_regent-20241009173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NadVolum-20241009200000-Vice_regent-20241009173500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NadVolum-20241009200000-Vice_regent-20241009173500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800-NadVolum-20241009200000"></span>Note that that source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC_Jewish_Chronicle">considered unreliable</a> about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIA">WP:PIA</a> topics, so I would recommend finding a different one. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallangryplanet" title="User:Smallangryplanet">Smallangryplanet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallangryplanet" title="User talk:Smallangryplanet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800-NadVolum-20241009200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800-NadVolum-20241009200000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800-NadVolum-20241009200000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NadVolum-20241028235900-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800"></span>I thought the cite was relible enough for the IDF claim but I've changed it to Associated Press instead. <a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NadVolum" title="User talk:NadVolum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-NadVolum-20241028235900-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NadVolum-20241028235900-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NadVolum-20241028235900-Smallangryplanet-20241028154800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scharb-20241030192500-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> Please be civil, that was rude and dismissive. --<a href="/wiki/User:Scharb" title="User:Scharb">Scharb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scharb" title="User talk:Scharb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Scharb-20241030192500-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scharb-20241030192500-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scharb-20241030192500-Sean.hoyland-20241009104500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Scharb" title="User:Scharb"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000-Scharb-20241030192500"></span>Scharb</a>, "Your request does not appear to be related to this article." was an objectively true statement given the mismatch between the statement and the article contents. The rest is a joke, but it's also good practical advice nowadays given the dramatic increase in error rates in comprehension since the introduction of smartphones. You are free to consider it rude or dismissive but don't expect me to agree or care. Next time, if something similar happens, I will suggest the party tries using NotebookLM to interact with the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000-Scharb-20241030192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000-Scharb-20241030192500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000-Scharb-20241030192500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scharb-20241031154400-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000"></span>Most "Casualties of X War" articles on Wikipedia do list combatant casualty estimates/claims if available.</dd> <dd>In many wars, those estimates and claims are debatable or come from one side or the other. Each side's estimates are presented neutrally.</dd> <dd>This article does not meet Wikipedia standards. <a href="/wiki/User:Scharb" title="User:Scharb">Scharb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scharb" title="User talk:Scharb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Scharb-20241031154400-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scharb-20241031154400-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scharb-20241031154400-Sean.hoyland-20241031032000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NadVolum-20241031163900-Scharb-20241031154400"></span>That is a useless statement. <a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NadVolum" title="User talk:NadVolum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-NadVolum-20241031163900-Scharb-20241031154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NadVolum-20241031163900-Scharb-20241031154400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NadVolum-20241031163900-Scharb-20241031154400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031165200-Scharb-20241031154400"></span>Read what the IP wrote, "This article is missing any discussion of combatant casualties in the Gaza strip." Look at the state of the article when they wrote it <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war&oldid=1250213788">here</a> at 2024-10-09T03:24:13. Observe the 'Civilian to military ratio' section present at the time. Then look at the article now and review your comments to see whether they make sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Sean.hoyland-20241031165200-Scharb-20241031154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031165200-Scharb-20241031154400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241031165200-Scharb-20241031154400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id='"Casualties"' data-mw-thread-id='h-"Casualties"-20241103010200'><span id=".22Casualties.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='h-"Casualties"-20241103010200'></span>"Casualties"<span data-mw-comment-end='h-"Casualties"-20241103010200'></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JudithButlerianJihad-20241103010200-"Casualties"">25 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-JudithButlerianJihad-20241103010200-"Casualties"'></span>The entire article really needs to reworked to account for the word "casualty" so often being used (in the West at least) to mean "fatality" when the actual definition of casualty includes both deaths and injuries (as well as missing, captured, and desertions in a military context). For example, the oft-cited "UN 9:1 civilian to combatant ratio" includes injuries as well as deaths in the actual report, but the sentences directly preceding this citation in the wiki article is talking exclusively about those *killed* by direct military violence. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JudithButlerianJihad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JudithButlerianJihad (page does not exist)">JudithButlerianJihad</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JudithButlerianJihad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:JudithButlerianJihad (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-JudithButlerianJihad-20241103010200-%22Casualties%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-JudithButlerianJihad-20241103010200-"Casualties"'></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-JudithButlerianJihad-20241103010200-"Casualties"'></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024-20241104124600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024-20241104124600"></span>Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024-20241104124600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NadVolum-20241104190200-46.218.138.102-20241104124600">24 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-46.218.138.102-20241104124600-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="extended"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war" title="Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war">Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I suggest replacing the following paragraph : </p><p>According to a letter sent to President Joseph R. Biden, Vice President Kamala D. Harris, and others on October 2, 2024 by 99 American healthcare workers who have served in the Gaza Strip since October 7, 2023, and cited in a study from the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, based on starvation standards by the United States-funded Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, according to the most conservative estimate that they could calculate based on the available data, at least 62,413 people in Gaza have thus far died from starvation, most of them young children, as well as at least 5,000 estimated deaths from lack of access to care for chronic diseases.[31][32][33] </p><p>by the following : </p><p>According to a letter sent to President Joseph R. Biden, Vice President Kamala D. Harris, and others on October 2, 2024 by 99 American healthcare workers who have served in the Gaza Strip since October 7, 2023, based on starvation standards by the United States-funded Integrated Food Security Phase Classification and cited in a study from the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, the most conservative estimate that they could calculate based on the available data was at least 62,413 deaths in Gaza from starvation (most of them young children) and at least 5,000 deaths from lack of access to care for chronic diseases.[31][32][33] </p><p>to avoid any repetition and to shorten the overall length of this complex and very long sentence. Even as an advanced English speaker (although non native) I had a hard time making it to the end of the paragraph unconfused. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.218.138.102" title="Special:Contributions/46.218.138.102">46.218.138.102</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:46.218.138.102" title="User talk:46.218.138.102">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-46.218.138.102-20241104124600-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-46.218.138.102-20241104124600-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-46.218.138.102-20241104124600-Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_November_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bowler_the_Carmine-20241104184800-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg/20px-Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg/20px-Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg/30px-Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg/40px-Crystal_Clear_app_help_index.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span> <b>Not done for now</b>: please make your request at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war_casualties" title="Template talk:Israel–Hamas war casualties">Template talk:Israel–Hamas war casualties</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bowler_the_Carmine" title="User:Bowler the Carmine"><span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#1a5fb4,#187148);background-clip:text;color:transparent;">Bowler the Carmine</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bowler_the_Carmine" title="User talk:Bowler the Carmine"><span style="color:#813d9c">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-Bowler_the_Carmine-20241104184800-46.218.138.102-20241104124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bowler_the_Carmine-20241104184800-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bowler_the_Carmine-20241104184800-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NadVolum-20241104190200-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span>The change does affect the template but it appears here and I think the change is reasonable so I'll do it to the template. By the way Euro Med had earlier estimated 51,000 indirect deaths from their links inside Gaza, they attributed most to lack of healthcare and rampant dsease instead of famine but said that the lack of food was a major factor in people not recovering from injury or disease. This report just stuck in a ? for deaths from lack of healthcare which makes rather a mess of it. I rather get the feeling they wanted to attribute the deaths more to famine as that is covered by international agreements which Biden might take notice of. Though he has taken precious little notice of what has happened to the people in Gaza so far so I wouldn't bet on it. <a href="/wiki/User:NadVolum" title="User:NadVolum">NadVolum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NadVolum" title="User talk:NadVolum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war/Archive_3#c-NadVolum-20241104190200-46.218.138.102-20241104124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NadVolum-20241104190200-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NadVolum-20241104190200-46.218.138.102-20241104124600"></span></dd></dl>    </section></div> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=mobile" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved 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