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If you would like to contribute or collaborate, you could edit the article attached to this page or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Armenia" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia">project page</a> for further information.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Armenia</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Armenia</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Armenian articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Armenian_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Armenian articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Armenia/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/23px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/36px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/47px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="425"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting">Scouting</a> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles import-low">Low‑importance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/80px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="85" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/120px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/160px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="425"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239009302"><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><span class="portalbox-image"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/26px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/39px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg/53px-WikiProject_Scouting_fleur-de-lis_dark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="425"/></a></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Scouting" title="Portal:Scouting">Scouting portal</a></span></li></ul><b>Armenians in Lebanon</b> is part of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting">Scouting WikiProject</a></b>, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to <a href="/wiki/Scouting" title="Scouting">Scouting</a> and <a href="/wiki/Girl_Guide_and_Girl_Scout" title="Girl Guide and Girl Scout">Guiding</a> on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, <a href="/wiki/World_Association_of_Girl_Guides_and_Girl_Scouts" title="World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts">WAGGGS</a> and <a href="/wiki/World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement" title="World Organization of the Scout Movement">WOSM</a> organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. 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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Ethnic groups articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Ethnic groups articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="padding:0"><table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="background:transparent;width:100%"><tbody><tr><th style="text-align:left;padding:0.2em 2px 0.2em 0">WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks:</th></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;padding:5px;background-color:white;border:1px solid #c0c090;margin-top:5px"> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Clipboard.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/35px-Clipboard.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/53px-Clipboard.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/70px-Clipboard.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> Here are some open <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups">WikiProject Ethnic groups</a> tasks: </p> <ul><li>Meta-tasks: <ul><li>Place the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ethnic_groups" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ethnic groups">Ethnic groups</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template <b>on the talk page</b> of articles within the scope of this project.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups/Archive_11#How_does_Wikipedia_rate_the_.22importance.22_of_an_ethnic_group.3F" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Archive 11">Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups</a></li></ul></li> <li>Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles">Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_articles_needing_merge_action" title="Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action">Category:Ethnic 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Gunter denies the Armenian Genocide. Hence why he shouldn't be used as a source, especially concerning Armenian affairs. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, but no. This content doesn't have anything to do with whether or not there was a genocide. You can't remove sourced content from articles because you don't like the scholars.<a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:49:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"></span>I have asked you this before but you also should stop blanket reverting sourced content added by other experienced editors - you removed unrelated content sourced to Alexander Agadjanian, published by Routledge, also in this revert <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenians_in_Lebanon&diff=869840397&oldid=869840246&diffmode=source">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:49:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:49:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:49:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"></span>(ec) It's not that "I don't like the scholars". Don't be silly. And it does not matter if it has to do with the genocide or not, it's a unreliable source and by no means neutral. Have you even read the book you're using as a source? It's denialist garbage. By the way, you can't possibly say that the Armenians who started these organizations didn't have the Armenian Genocide in mind. It's pretty much the reason why these organizations were created in the first place. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z"></span>I'm not blanket removing. I'm explaining to you that the sources you used are unreliable hence why I think your edits are entirely unreliable because you are using sources that deny the Armenian Genocide. This is a red flag. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z"></span>Yes, you are. What is tour objection to the content sourced to the Routlege source by Alexander Agadjanian? Stripping major scholars as non-RS is a big deal, not something any editor should attempt to do unilaterally.<a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T18:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:01:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z"></span>Well, for one the word "ultranationalist" isn't used in that source. That's your own <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">WP:POV</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> wording which is not to be found in that source. But most importantly, <b>you used a denialist source.</b> That's disruptive especially when you insist that such a denialist source is reliable, it's like you're asking for a topic ban. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:01:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:01:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:01:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:05:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"></span>I removed ultranationalist pending additional sourcing, but one word is not a good reason to restore a previous article state and remove sourced content added to multiple sections. Alexander Agadjanian is not a denialist source. If you think I should be topic banned for using sources you don't approve of, the correct forum is AE.<a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:05:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:05:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:05:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"></span>No, you need to revert your entire edit because it's highly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">WP:POV</a> and the sources you use are unreliable (Armenian Genocide deniers and etc.). Removing one word is not going to solve this issue. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T18:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z"></span>I'm not going to do that unless there is a consensus at RS/n following a community-wide discussion about whether Gunter can be used as a reliable source. I believe Gunter is reliable for this content - we don't ban scholars for <i>ad hominem</i> reasons and that sounds an awful lot like what you are arguing here. In a case like this, we would need input from editors about whether Gunter should not be used at all or can only be used in certain circumstances. The correct place for that discussion is <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:RS/n&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:RS/n (page does not exist)">WP:RS/n</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z"></span>There has <b>always</b> been a consensus to NOT use genocide deniers as sources. Users have been banned for using Armenian Genocide deniers as sources. The side that presents the genocide as fact has been the one adopted by the Wikipedia community through a consensus, while the other side, a minority position pushed by the Government of Turkey, has not. If you continue to push such a minority position in articles related to the Armenian Genocide, you may face sanctions under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a>. Denialist literature, whether it be about the Armenian Genocide or Armenian affairs in general, is always held separate from Armenian Genocide related articles. In fact, denialist sources and references are considered unreliable and thus unacceptable in terms of Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> requirements. Denialist sources and information can all go into the <a href="/wiki/Denial_of_Armenian_Genocide" class="mw-redirect" title="Denial of Armenian Genocide">Denial of Armenian Genocide</a> article but never into Armenian Genocide/Holocaust related articles. Arbcom takes the position seriously, see Admin Sandstein's remark <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sandstein&diff=next&oldid=556158708">here</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sandstein&diff=prev&oldid=555943080">here</a>. The user was formally warned for his constant assertion of denialist information and sources and as of this point may be banned if he/she continues. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z"></span>Sorry Etienne but your determination that a source is "denialist" or "unreliable" is not enough. I did not add anything that I think is denialist, andnothing you have said here has changed by mind about that. I will absolutely abide by the consensus at RS/N so I don't think a trip to AE is likely to be fruitful, but you are free to post your complaints there if you think that is the appropriate forum. A consensus at RS/N is definitely needed here because I don't want to have this discussion on multiple article talk pages. (We are already having it on two separate talk pages).<a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">I did not add anything that I think is denialist</q>? You just added a source that denies the Armenian Genocide. Read the academic responses to his work...<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/30069560">[2]</a>:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Second, it is critical to note that Gunter, the reviewer, occupies a central place in the massive campaign—ardently promoted by successive Turkish governments—to deny the Armenian genocide.</p></blockquote></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Another piece clearly states <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-middle-east-studies/article/a-response-to-michael-gunters-review-of-the-armenian-massacres-in-ottoman-turkey-a-disputed-genocide-ijmes-38-2006-598601/8A37E20A4F47D9A915D2267F2948ADC2">[3]</a> that Gunter backed Lewy, an ardent denier of not only the Armenian Genocide, but of the Native American genocide. Gunter...yeah sure, "reliable source". <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Fine, but the content I added is not about the Armenian genocide. We don't ban or censor scholars on Wikipedia because we don't like their viewpoints, we evaluate whether they are reliable in the context they were used. I would not use him for content about whether or not there was a genocide, but most of that I would source to law sources anyway. Now you accusing me of bad faith "denialist" editing, and I don't intend to respond further. I am planning to restore this content unless there is consensus at RS/N that the source is unreliable specifically for the content that I added.<a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:43:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z"></span>I don't have a personal opinion about Gunter. I don't care about his viewpoints. However, what I do care about is abiding by Wikipedia's standards. By placing junk genocide denialist sources into these articles is not helping that one bit. <a href="/wiki/User:EtienneDolet" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EtienneDolet">Étienne Dolet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EtienneDolet" title="User talk:EtienneDolet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon#c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:43:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:43:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EtienneDolet-2018-11-20T19:43:00.000Z-Seraphim_System-2018-11-20T19:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon&oldid=1205340963">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenians_in_Lebanon&oldid=1205340963</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Lebanon_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Lebanon articles">Start-Class Lebanon articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Lebanon_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Lebanon articles">Mid-importance Lebanon articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Lebanon_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Lebanon articles">WikiProject Lebanon articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Armenian_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Armenian articles">Start-Class Armenian articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Armenian_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Armenian articles">Mid-importance Armenian articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Armenia_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Armenia articles">WikiProject Armenia articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Scouting_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Scouting articles">Start-Class Scouting articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Scouting_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Scouting articles">Low-importance Scouting articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Ethnic groups articles">Start-Class Ethnic groups articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Ethnic groups articles">Mid-importance Ethnic groups articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Ethnic groups articles">WikiProject Ethnic groups articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 9 February 2024, at 12:19<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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