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Sections older than <b>365 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 10 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Climax_(narrative)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Climax_(narrative)-20231210001200"><span id="Climax_.28narrative.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Climax_(narrative)-20231210001200"></span>Climax (narrative)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Climax_(narrative)-20231210001200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Climax (narrative)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.101.159.213-20231210001200-Climax_(narrative)"></span>Thank you for your recent talk message about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Climax_%28narrative%29&diff=1189129575&oldid=1177835393">my edits</a> to <a href="/wiki/Climax_(narrative)" title="Climax (narrative)">Climax (narrative)</a>. I agree with you that my changes would have been improved by summaries. In fact, on review of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ES">WP:ES</a>, it seems that it was contrary to policy of me to omit a summary for my first edit. However, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FIES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FIES">the policy</a> clearly also states, "Editors should not revert an otherwise good edit because of a missing or confusing edit summary; good editors may simply have forgotten..." The policy goes on to state that reversion without review is understandable (if still improper) for unsummarized "substantial" edits, but my edits were not substantial under the provided definition. </p><p>Since I'm going to revert your reverts, I should explain the reasoning for my original edits: </p> <ul><li>Although "Emergency Self-Destruct" is a more "realistic" text for a (fictional) self-destruct button to bear, the text "Destroy Building" clarifies and heightens, by means of ironic and unrealistic repetition ("destroying a... facility... [by] pushing a red button which reads "Destroy Facility"), the narrated anticlimax.</li> <li>In contrast, the use of the word "destroying" in the following clause violates the otherwise-prevailing English convention against word repetition, and its replacement, "demolishing" is more consistent with the intended mundane, urban planning tone.</li></ul> <p>Because my second edit removed a misplaced comma, it did not need a summary under policy, though I understand that I should have provided one there too. </p><p>Finally, while I understand that your message to my talk page was likely automated, it would be more polite for it to explicitly call out the reversion. On its surface, your message appears to be merely offering me constructive feedback on my edit, while in actuality it is an administrative notice justifying a reversal. </p><p>I've been editing Wikipedia lately without logging in, mostly due to laziness. Since my edits seem to be treated quite differently without my credential, I'll try to avoid being logged out in the future. Unfortunately, logging in to reverse this edit would have the effect of publicly associating my IP address with my account, which is undesirable. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.101.159.213" title="Special:Contributions/74.101.159.213">74.101.159.213</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.101.159.213" title="User talk:74.101.159.213">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-74.101.159.213-20231210001200-Climax_(narrative)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.101.159.213-20231210001200-Climax_(narrative)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.101.159.213-20231210001200-Climax_(narrative)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20231210003500-74.101.159.213-20231210001200"></span>In addition to not explaining the reason for your edits, your edits were trivial changes of wording that did not improve the article.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20231210003500-74.101.159.213-20231210001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20231210003500-74.101.159.213-20231210001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20231210003500-74.101.159.213-20231210001200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_question_about_a_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_question_about_a_link-20231218104700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_question_about_a_link-20231218104700"></span>A question about a link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_question_about_a_link-20231218104700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A question about a link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBW-20231218104700-A_question_about_a_link"></span>Hello, Anita. In <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imaginary_number&diff=prev&oldid=1190416503">this edit</a> you linked to the article <a href="/wiki/Zero" class="mw-redirect" title="Zero">Zero</a>. Why was that? It looks to me very much like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OVERLINK">overlinking</a>, as I would think it easily falls into the category "Everyday words understood by most readers in context", and I don't see anything in the linked article which anyone is likely to need to look up in order to understand the text from which you linked. <a href="/wiki/User:JBW" title="User:JBW">JBW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBW" title="User talk:JBW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-JBW-20231218104700-A_question_about_a_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBW-20231218104700-A_question_about_a_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBW-20231218104700-A_question_about_a_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20231218135100-JBW-20231218104700"></span>I reverted two unexplained edits by an IP. Since the lead describes a basic element, <i>i</i>, of the imaginary numbers, I think it is appropriate in this case to describe a related, basic element of the real numbers.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20231218135100-JBW-20231218104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20231218135100-JBW-20231218104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20231218135100-JBW-20231218104700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBW-20231218191200-Anita5192-20231218135100"></span>Hmm. Well, I see what you mean, but it doesn't seem to me relevant enough to justify the link. Nevertheless, I'll leave it as it is for now. On a different matter, you say that you "reverted two unexplained edits by an IP". The fact that the editing was done by an IP editor should be totally irrelevant, and as for "unexplained", your editing was equally unexplained. <a href="/wiki/User:JBW" title="User:JBW">JBW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBW" title="User talk:JBW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-JBW-20231218191200-Anita5192-20231218135100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBW-20231218191200-Anita5192-20231218135100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBW-20231218191200-Anita5192-20231218135100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="HELP!" data-mw-thread-id="h-HELP!-20231230185300"><span id="HELP.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-HELP!-20231230185300"></span>HELP!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-HELP!-20231230185300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: HELP!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bera678-20231230185300-HELP!"></span>Anita, I need your help very much. I have a draft, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Fabien_Vienne" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Fabien Vienne">Fabien Vienne</a>, i have many problems at references. some peoples give me some references, but idk how to do it. Please help. The references links in here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#References">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bera678" title="User:Bera678">Bera678</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bera678" title="User talk:Bera678">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Bera678-20231230185300-HELP!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bera678-20231230185300-HELP!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bera678-20231230185300-HELP!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20231230224500-Bera678-20231230185300"></span>For help, please read the links in the latest post on your talk page.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20231230224500-Bera678-20231230185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20231230224500-Bera678-20231230185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20231230224500-Bera678-20231230185300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="This_time_why?" data-mw-thread-id="h-This_time_why?-20231230230000"><span id="This_time_why.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-This_time_why?-20231230230000"></span>This time why?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-This_time_why?-20231230230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: This time why?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arrobaman-20231230230000-This_time_why?"></span>I give reference I explain my modification and you erased it for no reason even you can see that the version of Spanish have it look <a class="external free" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial#Soluci%C3%B3n_n%C3%BAmero_negativo_factorial">https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial#Soluci%C3%B3n_n%C3%BAmero_negativo_factorial</a> </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arrobaman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arrobaman (page does not exist)">Arrobaman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arrobaman" title="User talk:Arrobaman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Arrobaman-20231230230000-This_time_why?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arrobaman-20231230230000-This_time_why?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arrobaman-20231230230000-This_time_why?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20231230230900-Arrobaman-20231230230000"></span>You should discuss this on the article's <a href="/wiki/Talk:Factorial#Negative_number_factorial_solution" title="Talk:Factorial">talk page</a>, where another editor has already replied.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20231230230900-Arrobaman-20231230230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20231230230900-Arrobaman-20231230230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20231230230900-Arrobaman-20231230230000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Period_after_exclamation_point" data-mw-thread-id="h-Period_after_exclamation_point-20240110215400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Period_after_exclamation_point-20240110215400"></span>Period after exclamation point<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Period_after_exclamation_point-20240110215400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Period after exclamation point"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240110215400-Period_after_exclamation_point"></span>Hi Anita, I just noticed <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Factorial&curid=10606&diff=1194810140&oldid=1194806833">this revert</a>. Of course I agree that a period after an exclamation point is incorrect, but the '!' character in the factorial expression <i>n</i>! is not a punctuation mark here. All authors that I know of, write the period in sentences that end with such an expression. See for instance </p> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFJoseph_K._BlitzsteinJessica_Hwang2014" class="citation book cs1">Joseph K. Blitzstein; Jessica Hwang (2014). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=EvoYCwAAQBAJ"><i>Introduction to Probability</i></a> (illustrated ed.). CRC Press. p. 225. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-1-4987-5976-2" title="Special:BookSources/978-1-4987-5976-2"><bdi>978-1-4987-5976-2</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Introduction+to+Probability&rft.pages=225&rft.edition=illustrated&rft.pub=CRC+Press&rft.date=2014&rft.isbn=978-1-4987-5976-2&rft.au=Joseph+K.+Blitzstein&rft.au=Jessica+Hwang&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DEvoYCwAAQBAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AAnita5192" class="Z3988"></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=EvoYCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA225">Extract of page 225</a>.</li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFPiero_Olla2014" class="citation book cs1">Piero Olla (2014). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=ZXxHBAAAQBAJ"><i>An Introduction to Thermodynamics and Statistical Physics</i></a> (illustrated ed.). Springer. p. 51. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-3-319-06188-7" title="Special:BookSources/978-3-319-06188-7"><bdi>978-3-319-06188-7</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=An+Introduction+to+Thermodynamics+and+Statistical+Physics&rft.pages=51&rft.edition=illustrated&rft.pub=Springer&rft.date=2014&rft.isbn=978-3-319-06188-7&rft.au=Piero+Olla&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DZXxHBAAAQBAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AAnita5192" class="Z3988"></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=ZXxHBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA51">Extract of page 51</a></li></ul> <p>I can show a gazillion of such examples if you like <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>. So I have undone your revert. Cheers - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DVdm" title="User talk:DVdm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-DVdm-20240110215400-Period_after_exclamation_point" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240110215400-Period_after_exclamation_point"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240110215400-Period_after_exclamation_point"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20240110220400-DVdm-20240110215400"></span>You don't need to show me examples. I'll take your word for it. Aside from the mathematics and grammar, I also thought "n!." looked awkward.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20240110220400-DVdm-20240110215400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20240110220400-DVdm-20240110215400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20240110220400-DVdm-20240110215400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DVdm-20240110221400-Anita5192-20240110220400"></span>It was a good excuse to generate a few citations with my home-written (in <a href="/wiki/AutoHotkey" title="AutoHotkey">AutoHotkey</a>) automatic formatter that generates a proper citation when I have a book page open in Google Books Search. I just love doing that, and it still works <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>. - <a href="/wiki/User:DVdm" title="User:DVdm">DVdm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DVdm" title="User talk:DVdm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-DVdm-20240110221400-Anita5192-20240110220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DVdm-20240110221400-Anita5192-20240110220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DVdm-20240110221400-Anita5192-20240110220400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant." data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant.-20240112151600"><span id="Why_did_you_remove_indentation.3F_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant.-20240112151600"></span>Why did you remove indentation? Unnecessary spaces are not always redundant.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant.-20240112151600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Why did you remove indentation? Unnecessary spaces are not always redundant."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RainerBlome-20240112151600-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant."></span>Hi Anita, thanks for your continued maintenance of <a href="/wiki/Moore%E2%80%93Penrose_inverse" title="Moore–Penrose inverse">Moore–Penrose_inverse</a>. In <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1193373705" title="Special:Diff/1193373705">Special:Diff/1193373705</a> you removed unnecessary spaces. I agree that trailing spaces are bad, so thank you for removing those. </p><p>However, I see a lot of value in leading spaces used for indentation. While they are unnecessary for the MediaWiki parser, they are not redundant for us human editors. They clarify the structure and make it easier to parse multi-line expressions, making it easier to maintain articles. Imagine having to maintain computer program source code where all indentation was removed. </p><p>For similar reasons, I also see some value in spaces inside of XML tags and sometimes parentheses. They simply make it easier to see the math and ignore the markup. </p><p>What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:RainerBlome" title="User:RainerBlome">RainerBlome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RainerBlome" title="User talk:RainerBlome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-RainerBlome-20240112151600-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RainerBlome-20240112151600-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RainerBlome-20240112151600-Why_did_you_remove_indentation?_Unnecessary_spaces_are_not_always_redundant."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20240112165400-RainerBlome-20240112151600"></span>I think the spaces I removed did not make the source text any more readable.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20240112165400-RainerBlome-20240112151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20240112165400-RainerBlome-20240112151600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20240112165400-RainerBlome-20240112151600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Commutator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commutator-20240709010800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commutator-20240709010800"></span>Commutator<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commutator-20240709010800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Commutator"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.115.164.53-20240709010800-Commutator"></span>We expect that the article Commutator will provide a cogent definition for the term within the next three years. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.115.164.53" title="Special:Contributions/98.115.164.53">98.115.164.53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:98.115.164.53" title="User talk:98.115.164.53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-98.115.164.53-20240709010800-Commutator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.115.164.53-20240709010800-Commutator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.115.164.53-20240709010800-Commutator"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20240709013600-98.115.164.53-20240709010800"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Commutator" title="Commutator">Commutator</a> article already has cogent definitions for the term. As it is a fairly advanced mathematical concept, most readers may not understand much beyond the simple definitions.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20240709013600-98.115.164.53-20240709010800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20240709013600-98.115.164.53-20240709010800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20240709013600-98.115.164.53-20240709010800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Polynomial_degree" data-mw-thread-id="h-Polynomial_degree-20240711070400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Polynomial_degree-20240711070400"></span>Polynomial degree<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Polynomial_degree-20240711070400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Polynomial degree"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-193.224.79.242-20240711070400-Polynomial_degree"></span>Dear Anita! </p><p>Is this the place to write a message? I am not an expert on Wikipedia. But I'm a mathematician, and modulus is usually denoted by m, while for a degree of a polynomial you can use d, n, k usually in modular arithmetic. As m and n were both used in the previous line, that's why I went with d, but feel free to change it to k if you prefer that. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.224.79.242" title="Special:Contributions/193.224.79.242">193.224.79.242</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:193.224.79.242" title="User talk:193.224.79.242">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-193.224.79.242-20240711070400-Polynomial_degree" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-193.224.79.242-20240711070400-Polynomial_degree"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-193.224.79.242-20240711070400-Polynomial_degree"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_just_in_physics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_just_in_physics-20240721145100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_just_in_physics-20240721145100"></span>Not just in physics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_just_in_physics-20240721145100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Not just in physics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ldm1954-20240721145100-Not_just_in_physics"></span>Science is not boxes, it is a set of overlapping Venn diagrams. For instance, mechanical engineers would disagree with limiting gravity to physics. There are way too many articles that start with "In XYZ" that imply "XYZ and nothing but XYZ" <a href="/wiki/User:Ldm1954" title="User:Ldm1954">Ldm1954</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ldm1954" title="User talk:Ldm1954">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Ldm1954-20240721145100-Not_just_in_physics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ldm1954-20240721145100-Not_just_in_physics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ldm1954-20240721145100-Not_just_in_physics"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted-20240802152000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted-20240802152000"></span>Not a good explanation of why my edit was reverted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted-20240802152000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Not a good explanation of why my edit was reverted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted"></span>You removed my recent edit to the <a href="/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle" title="Pigeonhole principle">pigeonhole principle</a> wiki page, and the reasons given why are not exactly satisfactory, so I have been left somewhat confused. </p><p>You said: </p><p><i>"This is not a good example. In hashing, n is typically far greater than m, each bin is expected to contain many items, and full bins spill over into the next bin. Also, single quotation marks should be double."</i> </p><p>Ignoring "Single quotation marks should be double" for a second as I assume you're right on that, I don't understand why this is not a good example of the principle. </p><p>Surely we are not trying to argue that this is <i>not</i> an example of it at all? Taking that as an assumption, it's not clear why any of the other things you listed make it a bad example. </p><p>1. Is the principle restricted to cases where n > m but also n ≈ m? That doesn't seem to be the case. </p><p>2. Does the principle hold that each bin is not expected to contain many items? I don't think so. </p><p>3. Do bins not spill over when full with regards to the principle? Again, no. </p><p>So why is it a bad example? Seems like quite a good, practical example to me. Far more practical than talking about the number of hairs on the heads of Londoners, anyway. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MickMcCarthy17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MickMcCarthy17 (page does not exist)">MickMcCarthy17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MickMcCarthy17#top" title="User talk:MickMcCarthy17">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MickMcCarthy17" title="Special:Contributions/MickMcCarthy17">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000-Not_a_good_explanation_of_why_my_edit_was_reverted"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20240802160500-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000"></span>If you want to reinsert it, go ahead, but use double quotations marks.—<a href="/wiki/User:Anita5192" title="User:Anita5192">Anita5192</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-Anita5192-20240802160500-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anita5192-20240802160500-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anita5192-20240802160500-MickMcCarthy17-20240802152000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="revert_error?" data-mw-thread-id="h-revert_error?-20241020130700"><span id="revert_error.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-revert_error?-20241020130700"></span>revert error?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-revert_error?-20241020130700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anita5192&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: revert error?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241020130700-revert_error?"></span>Um, did you intend to <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1252235421" title="Special:PermanentLink/1252235421">revert my report to AIV</a> or am I missing something?<span id="ClaudineChionh:1729429679659:User_talkFTTCLNAnita5192" class="FTTCmt"> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:ClaudineChionh" title="User:ClaudineChionh">ClaudineChionh</a></b> <small>(<i>she/her</i> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ClaudineChionh" title="User talk:ClaudineChionh">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh">email</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anita5192#c-ClaudineChionh-20241020130700-revert_error?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241020130700-revert_error?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ClaudineChionh-20241020130700-revert_error?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anita5192-20241020141100-ClaudineChionh-20241020130700"></span>Sorry! 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