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href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/2024/12/">December 23, 2024</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-author author vcard"><i class="fa fa-user"></i><a class="fn" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/author/imccollum/">Ian McCollum</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-categories"><i class="far fa-folder-open"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/prototype/" rel="category tag">Prototype</a>, <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/machine-guns/smg/" rel="category tag">Submachine Guns</a>, <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/video/" rel="category tag">Video</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-comments"><i class="far fa-comment"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comments" class="mh-comment-count-link" >35</a></span> </div> </header> <div class="entry-content clearfix"><p><iframe title="ZB47: A Truly Weird Czech SMG" width="678" height="381" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TYVSe6s8kGE?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p> <p>The ZB47 was developed at Brno as a contender for Czech military submachine gun adoption in the late 1940s. The Czech Army had technically adopted a submachine gun prior to World War Two (the vz.38; video on that is coming a bit later) but production did not begin before the arrival of German troops. After the war, the Army was eager to add a submachine gun to its arsenal, and the vz.38 was no longer a practical option as it was chambered for the 9x17mm cartridge. </p> <p>The ZB-47 is chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum, fired from an open bolt, uses a simple blowback action, and does not have a semiautomatic setting – just full auto. In its infantry configuration, it has a fixed wooden stock with a thumbhole design and a 72-round (!) magazine fitted almost horizontally under the stock and barrel. A unique feed system pushes cartridges vertically up out of the magazine feed lips into a pair of feed ramps that pitch the round 90 degrees forward and into the chamber. The system is closest to that of the FN P90, although the cartridge rotating element on the ZB is built into the gun, not the magazine. The paratrooper variant of the gun has a collapsing metal stock, which shorted the overall length and also restricts its capacity to a 30-round magazine when the stock is closed. Rate of fire was reportedly a blistering 1200 rpm.</p> <p>One challenge of this very long straight magazine was the slight taper of the standard 9x19mm cartridge case. In 30-round magazines this is not really an issue, but by 72 rounds the taper adds up to enough to cause problems stacking cartridges. Brno attempted to solve this by making a truly cylindrical version of 9×19, but the Czech military was (rightly) not convinced of its benefits and rejected it.</p> <p>In the 1947 field trials, 8 Czech units were given examples of the ZB47 and other competitors. Five of those units actually reported favorably on the ZB; it looks like a very awkward gun to handle but actually isn’t in practice. However, the Army deemed it to have too many drawbacks, including the magazine reliability, poor accuracy, and bring judged too fragile. One more set of trials would take place the next year and ultimately the CZ model 23 was adopted. In total, just 62 examples of the ZB-47 were produced.</p> <p>Many thanks to the VHU – the Czech Military History Institute – for giving me access to these two fantastic prototypes to film for you. The Army Museum Žižkov is a part of the Institute, and they have a 3-story museum full of cool exhibits open to the public in Prague. If you have a chance to visit, it’s definitely worth the time! 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7.65mm Mars Pistol </a> </h3> <div class="mh-meta entry-meta"> <span class="entry-meta-date updated"><i class="far fa-clock"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/2020/07/">July 15, 2020</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-author author vcard"><i class="fa fa-user"></i><a class="fn" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/author/imccollum/">Ian McCollum</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-categories"><i class="far fa-folder-open"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/handgun/semiauto-pistol/" rel="category tag">Semiauto pistol</a>, <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/video/" rel="category tag">Video</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-comments"><i class="far fa-comment"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/kohout-spol-7-65mm-mars-pistol/#comments" class="mh-comment-count-link" >18</a></span> </div> <div class="mh-posts-grid-excerpt clearfix"> <div class="mh-excerpt"><p>The “MARS” pistols made in Czechoslovakia began with the “Slavia” line, 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Three examples were made for Czech military testing in 1922, but they were not acceptable. Instead, this design served <a class="mh-excerpt-more" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/praga-i-a-blow-forward-bullpup-semi-auto-selectable-vickers-gun/" title="Praga I: A Blow-Forward Bullpup Semi-Auto-Selectable Vickers Gun">[…]</a></p> </div><div class="sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled"><div class="robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon-text sd-sharing"><h3 class="sd-title">Share this:</h3><div class="sd-content"><ul><li class="share-reddit"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-shared="" class="share-reddit sd-button share-icon" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/praga-i-a-blow-forward-bullpup-semi-auto-selectable-vickers-gun/?share=reddit" target="_blank" title="Click to share on Reddit" ><span>Reddit</span></a></li><li class="share-twitter"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-shared="sharing-twitter-32598" class="share-twitter sd-button share-icon" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/praga-i-a-blow-forward-bullpup-semi-auto-selectable-vickers-gun/?share=twitter" target="_blank" title="Click to share on Twitter" ><span>Twitter</span></a></li><li class="share-facebook"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-shared="sharing-facebook-32598" class="share-facebook sd-button share-icon" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/praga-i-a-blow-forward-bullpup-semi-auto-selectable-vickers-gun/?share=facebook" target="_blank" title="Click to share on Facebook" ><span>Facebook</span></a></li><li class="share-end"></li></ul></div></div></div> </div> </article></div> <div class="mh-col-1-3 mh-posts-grid-col clearfix"> <article class="post-22670 format-standard mh-posts-grid-item clearfix"> <figure class="mh-posts-grid-thumb"> <a class="mh-thumb-icon mh-thumb-icon-small-mobile" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-jet-li-maneuver-beretta-disassembly-at-gunpoint/" title="The Jet Li Maneuver: Beretta Disassembly at Gunpoint"><img width="326" height="245" src="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-326x245.png" class="attachment-mh-magazine-medium size-mh-magazine-medium wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-326x245.png 326w, https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-678x509.png 678w, https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-80x60.png 80w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 326px) 100vw, 326px" data-attachment-id="22671" data-permalink="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-jet-li-maneuver-beretta-disassembly-at-gunpoint/screen-shot-2018-01-17-at-12-29-24-pm/" data-orig-file="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM.png" data-orig-size="1456,1070" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{"aperture":"0","credit":"","camera":"","caption":"","created_timestamp":"0","copyright":"","focal_length":"0","iso":"0","shutter_speed":"0","title":"","orientation":"0"}" data-image-title="Screen Shot 2018-01-17 at 12.29.24 PM" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-450x331.png" data-large-file="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-17-at-12.29.24-PM-1024x753.png" /> </a> <div class="mh-image-caption mh-posts-grid-caption"> Semiauto pistol </div> </figure> <h3 class="entry-title mh-posts-grid-title"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-jet-li-maneuver-beretta-disassembly-at-gunpoint/" title="The Jet Li Maneuver: Beretta Disassembly at Gunpoint" rel="bookmark"> The Jet Li Maneuver: Beretta Disassembly at Gunpoint </a> </h3> <div class="mh-meta entry-meta"> <span class="entry-meta-date updated"><i class="far fa-clock"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/2018/01/">January 23, 2018</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-author author vcard"><i class="fa fa-user"></i><a class="fn" href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/author/imccollum/">Ian McCollum</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-categories"><i class="far fa-folder-open"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/handgun/semiauto-pistol/" rel="category tag">Semiauto pistol</a>, <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/category/video/" rel="category tag">Video</a></span> <span class="entry-meta-comments"><i class="far fa-comment"></i><a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-jet-li-maneuver-beretta-disassembly-at-gunpoint/#comments" class="mh-comment-count-link" >48</a></span> </div> <div class="mh-posts-grid-excerpt clearfix"> <div class="mh-excerpt"><p>In Lethal Wespon IV, Jet Li’s character is caught at gunpoint by Mel Gibson’s character…until he turns the tables by stripping the slide right off Gibson’s Beretta 92FS. 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A rate of fire of 1,200 rpm is mighty danged high, no? I’d note that the fixed stock version what with 72-rounds in the magazine is the capacity of the WWII-era Finnish Suomi and Soviet Shpagin PPSh41 guns, without the clumsy drum magazine. I half expected Ian to note not just the P-90 feed system, but also the crazy rotating chamber of the “Kraut space-magik” G-11 from Herren Heckler u. Koch, no? Certainly the Czecholsovakian Holek brothers had a much simpler means to effectuate the feed of the cartridges than on ze German Cold War-era wunderwaffe, no?</p> <p>I was impressed by the marker plate in the magazine for the round count versus the much more typical witness holes or transluscent polymer magazines more common to our era. Interesting safety that locks the bolt in either the foreward/un-cocked or backward/cocked position, and a good safety feature on a sear-fired open bolt gun. The gun can’t be disassembled with the magazine in place, which was also interesting to me. A tube gun open bolt SMG is obviously way simpler to make and manufacture and probably maintain, but I could see why 5 in 8 guinea pigs in the Czechoslovakian army thought this was a neat gun. I particularly liked the collapsing-stock version with the ability to use full-size 72-rd. magazines when the stock was extended, but Ian did not how atrocious the stock would be from the firer’s position in terms of cheek weld and other handling considerations. </p> <p>The Czechoslovaks seemed to have found a “sweet spot” in 9x19mm cartridge capacity with the slighty tapered 40rd. stick magazines for the samopal 23s and 25s that the communist government dumped in revolutionary Cuba after 1960. I recall Ian didn’t care much for that SMG, but cetainly the little 8-rd. stripper-clip magazine loader, the use of a portion of the telescoping bolt as a wrench to remove the barrel nut, and other touches are interesting.</p> <p>With a different new-fangled cartridge, I’d wager this old ZB47 prototype could serve as a basis for the long-sought, never seriously mass-issued “PDW” that occupies so much online gun banter, but remains yet another will-o’-the-wisp since the PDW avant la lettre, the U.S. M-1 carbine.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671060" data-commentid="4671060" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671060" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671796" class="comment odd alt depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671796" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671796"><time datetime="2024-12-24T10:20:17-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 10:20 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)curved magazine a la MP5(…)”<br /> This weapon itself early used stick rather than banana magazine, see 1st image from top <a href="http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/germany-submachine-guns/hk-mp5-eng/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/germany-submachine-guns/hk-mp5-eng/</a></p> <p>“(…)tube gun open bolt SMG is obviously way simpler to make and manufacture and probably maintain(…)”<br /> Without seeing MNO requirements it is impossible to say if this is what they said. As already pointed winning design used magazine of capacity 40, but it seems that they do not even required that, as another competitor <a href="https://imfdb.org/wiki/ZK_476" rel="nofollow ugc">https://imfdb.org/wiki/ZK_476</a> used capacity 20 magazine.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671796" data-commentid="4671796" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671796" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4674408" class="comment even depth-3 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4674408" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e284815b57032db64c060f1c49ba390c?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e284815b57032db64c060f1c49ba390c?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dogwalker</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4674408"><time datetime="2024-12-27T03:54:33-07:00">December 27, 2024 at 3:54 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>The Beretta MAB38 used straight 40 rounds magazines, that’s probably the limit for a reliable double-stack straight magazine using standard 9mm Para rounds.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4674408" data-commentid="4674408" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4674408" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dogwalker" aria-label="Reply to Dogwalker">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671066" class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671066" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dave</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671066"><time datetime="2024-12-23T08:22:34-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 8:22 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>As bizarre as it may be to contemplate: Does one wonder in looking at the firing grip of the ZB47 prototype if the Holek bros. were familiar with the 8x22mm Nambu Shisei-ni-gatu Kikan-Tanju experimental “Model 2” of imperial Japan?</p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Model_2_submachine_gun" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Model_2_submachine_gun</a></p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671066" data-commentid="4671066" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671066" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4671069" class="comment even thread-even depth-1 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671069" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0829f9225280d108d5dd4bf7caf92cfe?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0829f9225280d108d5dd4bf7caf92cfe?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Strongarm</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671069"><time datetime="2024-12-23T08:36:55-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 8:36 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>What a fertile mind… Hats off…</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671069" data-commentid="4671069" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671069" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Strongarm" aria-label="Reply to Strongarm">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671149" class="comment odd alt depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671149" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671149"><time datetime="2024-12-23T12:49:40-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 12:49 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>According to <a href="https://encyklopedie.brna.cz/home-mmb/?acc=profil_osobnosti&load=26617" rel="nofollow ugc">https://encyklopedie.brna.cz/home-mmb/?acc=profil_osobnosti&load=26617</a> <i>František Holek</i> was not responsible for development of many fire-arm designs, but also engage in making of <i>Janeček-Wanderer</i> (due to their logo known as JAWA)</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671149" data-commentid="4671149" 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plenty of JAWA motorbikes in Cuba… Although the police are riding Moto Guzzi. I’m wondering if parts are still available?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671179" data-commentid="4671179" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671179" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671081" class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671081" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d98f025162a6021d3b1938753577974?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d98f025162a6021d3b1938753577974?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Mike</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671081"><time datetime="2024-12-23T09:06:52-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 9:06 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Is there a video on the Vz38? If not, are there any surviving examples you can review?</p> <p>Ironically, the main drawback when you use tapered cartridges in a long straight mag is that the cartridges can start to nose downward – exactly what you need to make them do in a P90 or similar magazine.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671081" data-commentid="4671081" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671081" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Mike" aria-label="Reply to Mike">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671092" class="comment even depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671092" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dave</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671092"><time datetime="2024-12-23T09:42:47-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 9:42 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>From the written commentary **in this very post**:<br /> “video on that is coming a bit later”</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671092" data-commentid="4671092" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671092" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671096" class="comment odd alt depth-3 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671096" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d98f025162a6021d3b1938753577974?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d98f025162a6021d3b1938753577974?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Mike</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671096"><time datetime="2024-12-23T09:53:54-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 9:53 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Ah, thanks and sorry, skimmed the written summary while doing too many things at once.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671096" data-commentid="4671096" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671096" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Mike" aria-label="Reply to Mike">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671105" class="comment even depth-4 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671105" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dave</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671105"><time datetime="2024-12-23T10:26:37-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 10:26 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Oh yeah, “happens!” LOL!</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671105" data-commentid="4671105" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671105" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671823" class="comment odd alt depth-2 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671823" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Bart</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671823"><time datetime="2024-12-24T10:36:44-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 10:36 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>How about an incarnation of this design in the straight walled .45 ACP? No need for separate ammunition supply channels. I calculate the 72 round 9mm length magazine would hold 60 .45 ACP rounds.</p> <p>I understand there were issues with parts fragility. But can’t we do a better job these days in design and materials? If the P90 works for a wonky cartridge, why not use a time proven cartridge?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671823" data-commentid="4671823" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671823" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Bart" aria-label="Reply to Bart">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671122" class="comment even thread-even depth-1 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671122" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671122"><time datetime="2024-12-23T11:12:28-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 11:12 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)vz.38 was no longer a practical option as it was chambered for the 9x17mm cartridge”<br /> Requirement for 9×19 mm sub-machine for MNO provoked <i>Ceska Zbrojovka Strakonice</i> to spawn one from said weapon. It was not taken by MNO itself, but found some export under name of <b>CZ 247</b> <a href="https://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/czech-republic-submachine-guns/cz-247-eng/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/czech-republic-submachine-guns/cz-247-eng/</a> it is mostly typical excluding funky magazine well, allowing to use to have horizontal or vertical magazine, depending on his liking.</p> <p>“(…)unique feed system(…)”<br /> Looks akin to Sosso patent from 1938, see 2nd image from top <a href="https://military-exotic.blogspot.com/2023/11/sosso-1938.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://military-exotic.blogspot.com/2023/11/sosso-1938.html</a></p> <p>“(…)Rate of fire was reportedly a blistering 1200 rpm.(…)”<br /> I doubt in that source, user manual available at <a href="http://sa58kinggun.jansladky.cz/Podklady/Holek1.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sa58kinggun.jansladky.cz/Podklady/Holek1.pdf</a> gives output 550 rounds per minute (page 26).</p> <p>“(…)attempted to solve this by making a truly cylindrical version of 9×19(…)”<br /> Oh, so Brad Miller <a href="https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/15/9mm-fixed-straight-walled-9mm-automatic/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/15/9mm-fixed-straight-walled-9mm-automatic/</a> was not 1st in that regard. Nonetheless if they would persist this would result in accident-friendly environment with tapered 9×19 and parallel 9×19, which additionally would look similar to 9×17, which no so long time ago was default pistol cartridge of Czechoslovak forces.</p> <p>“(…)like a very awkward gun to handle but actually isn’t in(…)”<br /> Manual which I linked above tout this weapon as being superior t older sub-machine gun design, due to lesser effect of center-of-gravity moving during depleting magazine (see drawing at page 3) and being more dirt-proof due to smaller orifices (see drawing at page 24).</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671122" data-commentid="4671122" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671122" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671163" class="comment odd alt depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671163" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dave</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671163"><time datetime="2024-12-23T13:24:05-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 1:24 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>The illustration of how the bulky magazines unbalance things you mention is telling:</p> <p>side-mounted allows for lower prone shooting, see MP.18,I and MP,28.II, SIG Bergmann copy [albeit Chinese copies had conventional bottom-feed magaznes], Spanish “Naranjero” copies and Lanchester, Steyr-Solothurn 100/ MP34, Erma EMP, Sten, Type 100, Sterling, –all on left side, but Bergmann MP35 and LMG-Pist 41/44 by Furrer on the right side.</p> <p>Top-mounted drum magazine… The .22lr has such a pan magazine, but historically I can only think of a Degtarev prototype that used such a magazine like his onw DP LMG or the Lewis gun or similar.</p> <p>Bottom-mounted drum magazine: Thompson, Suomi m/31, Soviet PPD and PPSh-41..</p> <p>Top-mounted box magazines: Italian FIAT Mol. 1915 Vilar Perosa, OVP, Beretta prototypes, the Owen gun and Australian F-1. We might add the Pedersen device U.S. pistol cal. .30 Mod. 1918 and the prototype light rifle/ carbine submitted by John Garand of Springfield Arsenal with the top magazine canted 45-degrees to the right, and then</p> <p>bottom-feeding magazines, which is the greatest preponderance of designs by far. The French seemed obsessed with having the bottom mounted magazine fold forward to render the weapon safe and improve handling while not actually shooting it, and there are a handful of others like that, such as from Hungary or Switzerland. We might consider the magazine in the actual pistol-grip like Czechoslovak samopal or Israeli/Belgian Uzi or Argentine FMK-3, Spanish Star-84 and similar a variation on the theme.</p> <p>The Czechoslovakians had several prototypes of horizontally-mounted magazines, of which I think this ZB47 was the most elaborated, no? Versus the unsatisfactory H-47. Also the aforementioned CZ 247 that had receiver-mounted sights so the tube-receiver and magazine feed could be pivoted from the side for prone shooting, to bottom-feed to clear narrow hallways, passages, and so on. Of course, I think there were very few users of it, apart from Biafra/Nigerian Civil War, and Bolivia and perhaps a few others.</p> <p><a href="https://www.vhu.cz/samopal-cz-247/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.vhu.cz/samopal-cz-247/</a></p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671163" data-commentid="4671163" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671163" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671785" class="comment even depth-3 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671785" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671785"><time datetime="2024-12-24T10:09:39-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 10:09 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)all on left side, but Bergmann MP35 and LMG-Pist 41/44 by Furrer on the right side.(…)”<br /> And also SIG development known as SIG 1930, see 2nd image from top<br /> <a href="http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/switzerland-submachine-guns/sig-1920-1930-eng/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/switzerland-submachine-guns/sig-1920-1930-eng/</a></p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671785" data-commentid="4671785" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671785" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671832" class="comment odd alt depth-2 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671832" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Bart</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671832"><time datetime="2024-12-24T10:42:40-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 10:42 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Yes on the Sosso. Lots of ammo and a longer barrel.</p> <p>Could the tapering issue with 9mm be solved with the magazine having a slot/rail for the rims to be moved along. Think stripper clip. The force of the follower would need to be applied to the rim not the case as a whole. Is there a mechanical gotcha I am missing?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671832" data-commentid="4671832" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671832" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Bart" aria-label="Reply to Bart">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4671842" class="comment even depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671842" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Bart</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671842"><time datetime="2024-12-24T10:49:17-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 10:49 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p><a href="https://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/czech-republic-submachine-guns/cz-247-eng/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/czech-republic-submachine-guns/cz-247-eng/</a></p> <p>Why do sub-machineguns have to have short barrels? The recoil mechanism take up the lion’s share of the length of the guns. But the sub-machine guns tend to use the same cartridges that work just fine in short pistols.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671842" data-commentid="4671842" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671842" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Bart" aria-label="Reply to Bart">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671960" class="comment odd alt depth-3 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671960" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671960"><time datetime="2024-12-24T13:01:12-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 1:01 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“Why do sub-machineguns have to have short barrels?(…)”<br /> How do you define short w.r.t. 9×19 sub-machine gun?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671960" data-commentid="4671960" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671960" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4672956" class="comment even depth-4 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4672956" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Bart</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4672956"><time datetime="2024-12-25T10:17:05-07:00">December 25, 2024 at 10:17 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Look at SMGs like the Sterling and Sten. Look at the various SMGs referenced in the comments. They all have barrels of 7 to 8 inches. Yet the whole SMG is three or four times that long. Seems like there could be designs that allow for longer barrels, thus greater accuracy at range. The lack of range is one downside for SMGs.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4672956" data-commentid="4672956" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4672956" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Bart" aria-label="Reply to Bart">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4673733" class="comment odd alt depth-5 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4673733" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4673733"><time datetime="2024-12-26T06:14:52-07:00">December 26, 2024 at 6:14 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)there could be designs that allow for longer barrels(…)”<br /> Either use different principle operation than pure blow-back, historically delayed blow-back was quite popular, consider that <b>Reising M55</b> <a href="http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/u-s-a-submachine-guns/reising-m50-m55-eng/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://modernfirearms.net/en/submachine-guns/u-s-a-submachine-guns/reising-m50-m55-eng/</a> has 263 mm long barrel with overall length (stock closed) 556 mm thus it is around 2 times longer than barrel itself, xor put moving parts above (or around) barrel as found in <b>Walther MPL</b> (or <b>Madsen M1945</b>, still quite long, but this is due to fixed wooden furniture, which is not critical for functioning)</p> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4672332" class="comment even depth-3 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4672332" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9e7c20c250d7bce7a3db965953c3e920?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9e7c20c250d7bce7a3db965953c3e920?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">eon</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4672332"><time datetime="2024-12-24T19:20:10-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 7:20 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>More basically, SMGs had their beginnings with the trench warfare of the First World War. The very earliest ones, such as the Bergmann Muskete and the original Thompson “Annihilator”, were designed with barrels under 40cm (16″) in length to make them more easily maneuverable <b>in</b> a trench. Also harder for an enemy soldier around the next traverse to grab out of your hands. Yes, this is another reason they often had bayonet mounts, besides the obvious one in a close-quarters fight.</p> <p>One reason the Pedersen Device was not issued was that being a conversion of the M1903 Springfield rifle, it would have been no easier to maneuver in the trenches than the rifle.</p> <p>I’ve often wondered why they didn’t just de-cosmoline all those early M1903s with the “single heat-treatment” receivers, cut their barrels and forends back to the length and profile of the Springfield M1901 experimental carbine version (22″ barrel), or even cut them back to the length of the later M1 Carbine barrel (18″, or even down to 16″), and use <i>those</i> as the basis for the Pedersen conversion. </p> <p>The single heat-treatment might not have been strong enough for the .30-06 ammunition, but it would certainly have been more than sufficient with the lower-pressured .30 Pedersen round. And they could have made it a single-function, dedicated CQB automatic carbine, without having to worry about anybody switching bolts and etc. in the dark.</p> <p>They could even have made it selective-fire…</p> <p>Yes. The “M1 Carbine” could have arrived in Flanders in 1917-18- two decades or so “ahead of schedule”.</p> <p>Merry Christmas.</p> <p>cheers</p> <p>eon</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4672332" data-commentid="4672332" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4672332" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to eon" aria-label="Reply to eon">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4672535" class="comment odd alt depth-4 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4672535" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4672535"><time datetime="2024-12-25T00:42:47-07:00">December 25, 2024 at 12:42 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)“M1 Carbine” could have arrived in Flanders in 1917-18- two decades or so “ahead of schedule”.(…)”<br /> Well, one of competitors to become LIGHT RIFLE was WOODHULL<br /> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-rifle-program/woodhull-carbine/" rel="ugc">https://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-rifle-program/woodhull-carbine/</a><br /> which itself was altered Winchester Model 1905, I do not see reason which would prevent such change being applied earlier.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4672535" data-commentid="4672535" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4672535" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4672950" class="comment even depth-5 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4672950" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c6ce505da95317ebc1c57848e8328b6?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Bart</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4672950"><time datetime="2024-12-25T10:10:16-07:00">December 25, 2024 at 10:10 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Rapid innovation/adoption and military planning just don’t go together.</p> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671139" class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671139" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/de249a7b585e05162bf5d451ebc11027?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/de249a7b585e05162bf5d451ebc11027?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Leszek Erenfeicht</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671139"><time datetime="2024-12-23T12:11:12-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 12:11 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“Czech designers come in pairs”<br /> Actually, it was the Kouckys that were two, but Holeks were actually three. There was the third brother, also a gun designer in his own name, like Vaclav and Frantisek. Emmanuel Holek was tinkering with semi-auto rifles, notably his works were the ZH-29 (Zbrojovka, Holek Mod. 1929), he also had his fingers in perfecting the ZB-26, but later on went his own separate way with the ZH-29 and hunting rifles, including the combination guns (O/U, rifle/shotgun) of the ZH 300-series.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671139" data-commentid="4671139" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671139" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Leszek Erenfeicht" aria-label="Reply to Leszek Erenfeicht">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4671177" class="comment even depth-2 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671177" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7455a98a3c3533f9ed2255c936d51689?s=50&d=blank&r=g' 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</article> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4671153" class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671153" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2c836d5669010dde92337d6d3affb162?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2c836d5669010dde92337d6d3affb162?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Robert Warner</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671153"><time datetime="2024-12-23T12:52:51-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 12:52 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Thank you Santa McCollum,<br /> We have been waiting a long time for a video of this exotic submachinegun.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a 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datetime="2024-12-23T12:57:48-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 12:57 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>That is one of most interesting pieces that we have seen in quite awhile.<br /> Thank you Ian!<br /> I saw some discussion regarding tate of fire.<br /> Only one way to be sure….</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671154" data-commentid="4671154" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671154" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to VERY Old Navy" aria-label="Reply to VERY Old Navy">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4671192" class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671192" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2a01d58c23b3c423ddf84e57131c771b?s=50&d=blank&r=g' 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Anyone notice the strange similarity to the toy “Buck Rogers “ray gun of @ 1940 ! (the first “Spaceman” for you modern cellphones) Thanks Ian ..Made my xmas! …Backwoods 85 yr New Zealander</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671192" data-commentid="4671192" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671192" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Richard Bruce" aria-label="Reply to Richard Bruce">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4671193" class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671193" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2a01d58c23b3c423ddf84e57131c771b?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2a01d58c23b3c423ddf84e57131c771b?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Richard Bruce</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671193"><time datetime="2024-12-23T15:22:01-07:00">December 23, 2024 at 3:22 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>What a cool trip! more points than a porcupine A strange mix of manufacture, a unique feed system , a funny handgrip,VERTICAL feed “wheel”, firehose rate of fire, ultimate practical sights …sadly does not play Rock & Roll! Anyone notice the strange similarity to the toy “Buck Rogers “ray gun of @ 1940 ! (the first “Spaceman” for you modern cellphones) Thanks Ian ..Made my xmas! …Backwoods 85 yr New Zealander</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671193" data-commentid="4671193" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671193" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Richard Bruce" aria-label="Reply to Richard Bruce">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4671500" class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4671500" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/264e1a08098d2797d2b084b520358e42?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/264e1a08098d2797d2b084b520358e42?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">SRB</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4671500"><time datetime="2024-12-24T05:24:11-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 5:24 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>An early Christmas present – what an excellent video! Thank you Mr McCollum</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4671500" data-commentid="4671500" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4671500" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to SRB" aria-label="Reply to SRB">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4672220" class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4672220" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/443774540916ff4f8e55cd29d6011813?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/443774540916ff4f8e55cd29d6011813?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Geezer</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4672220"><time datetime="2024-12-24T16:55:48-07:00">December 24, 2024 at 4:55 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Fascinating. I do wonder why they didn’t try the same basic idea with the magazine on the top…</p> <p>No chance you got to shoot one?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4672220" data-commentid="4672220" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4672220" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Geezer" aria-label="Reply to Geezer">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4673371" class="comment odd alt depth-2 parent entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4673371" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/84f6c72bcd37e174e6295e3ae4880b53?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Dave</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4673371"><time datetime="2024-12-25T19:59:43-07:00">December 25, 2024 at 7:59 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Certainly Czechoslovakian arms inventors and technicians had pioneered the ZB26 LMG with a top-feeding magazine… Again, per the original vague design criteria, a ponderous long magazine hanging off the side, bottom, or top, presented balance issues… A 72-rd. 9x19mm magazine would be rather a lot, although John C. Garand did have a 45-degree to the right top feed magazine on the Springfield Armory prototype entrant for the M1 carbine that could be variously any multiple of 5 rounds up to 50:<br /> <a href="https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/cmp-sales/m1-carbine/129511-military-article-on-m1-carbine?t=137507" rel="nofollow ugc">https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/cmp-sales/m1-carbine/129511-military-article-on-m1-carbine?t=137507</a></p> <p>At some point, our intrepid Ian M’Collum just might drop the prototype Czechoslovak ZB 530 on us, which was a top-feeding magazine select-fire rifle design in 7.62x45mm… </p> <p>Certainly Australia fielded a top-mounted magazine in a 9mm SMG in first, the Owen, and later the F1.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4673371" data-commentid="4673371" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4673371" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-4673714" class="comment even depth-3 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4673714" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/36f7ae838e663fe645b10428b4b062da?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Daweo</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4673714"><time datetime="2024-12-26T05:51:11-07:00">December 26, 2024 at 5:51 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>“(…)entrant for the M1 carbine that could be variously any multiple of 5 rounds up to 50:(…)”<br /> Please keep in mind .30 Carbine is skinny in comparison to Patrone 08, therefore magazine of same capacity for former will be generally shorter than for later.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4673714" data-commentid="4673714" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4673714" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Daweo" aria-label="Reply to Daweo">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-4674142" class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4674142" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/dc78929f40c8f6787ba62f871a8fb9fb?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/dc78929f40c8f6787ba62f871a8fb9fb?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">Ed</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4674142"><time datetime="2024-12-26T18:58:38-07:00">December 26, 2024 at 6:58 pm</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>A lot of ingenuity to put into a pistol caliber weapon.</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4674142" data-commentid="4674142" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4674142" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Ed" aria-label="Reply to Ed">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> <li id="comment-4675131" class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 entry-content"> <article id="div-comment-4675131" class="comment-body"> <footer class="comment-meta"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e028e8a8add9293dd01c6f11c8e2d411?s=50&d=blank&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e028e8a8add9293dd01c6f11c8e2d411?s=100&d=blank&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> <b class="fn">turpin</b> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-metadata"> <a href="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#comment-4675131"><time datetime="2024-12-28T09:54:32-07:00">December 28, 2024 at 9:54 am</time></a> </div> </footer> <div class="comment-content"> <p>The Czechs are generally a very practical lot. Therefore I wonder how exactly they envisaged _carrying_ of these magazines?</p> </div> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-4675131" data-commentid="4675131" data-postid="32842" data-belowelement="div-comment-4675131" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to turpin" aria-label="Reply to turpin">Reply</a></div> </article> </li> </ol> <div id="respond" class="comment-respond"> <h3 id="reply-title" class="comment-reply-title">Leave a Reply <small><a rel="nofollow" id="cancel-comment-reply-link" href="/zb47-a-truly-weird-czech-smg/#respond" style="display:none;">Cancel reply</a></small></h3><form action="https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-comments-post.php" method="post" id="commentform" class="comment-form" novalidate><p class="comment-notes">Your email address will not be published.</p><p class="comment-form-comment"><label for="comment">Comment</label><br/><textarea autocomplete="new-password" id="f4f0d58121" name="f4f0d58121" 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