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According to every book I have on the subject, and the way we were all taught electronics in school in the US, the standard abbreviation is "E" or "V". Why confuse the readers by stepping away from common terminology used in electronics? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Craxd&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Craxd (page does not exist)">Craxd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Craxd" title="User talk:Craxd">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z"></span>Ahh, because this is Wikipedia and 250 years ago some German professor called it "U" short for "Unterwissenschaftgespannungsarbeit", so in true Wikimania we must forever follow the European tradition. And if you don't, a horde of British schoolboys taking first form electricity will make it their life's work to keep reverting it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wtshymanski" title="User:Wtshymanski">Wtshymanski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wtshymanski" title="User talk:Wtshymanski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z-Craxd-2011-01-11T13:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z"></span>By what evidence is U the most common symbol used for Voltage in the English speaking world? Why shouldn't the most common symbol be used here? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Labradore&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Labradore (page does not exist)">Labradore</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Labradore&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Labradore (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-01-11T14:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z"></span>That would mean editing the diagrams. Is this at all significant? <a href="/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty" title="Humpty Dumpty">The symbols mean what we define them to mean</a> after all. Those who know electronics, know V is U, and for those who don't, any old letter will do. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wtshymanski" title="User:Wtshymanski">Wtshymanski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wtshymanski" title="User talk:Wtshymanski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z-Labradore-2012-04-03T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:22:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z"></span>Actually, the Germans do use 'U' as the symbol for voltage, but all the English speaking countries that I know of use 'V' (and apparently, America does as well). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.145.22.224" title="Special:Contributions/109.145.22.224">109.145.22.224</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:109.145.22.224" title="User talk:109.145.22.224">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:22:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:22:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:22:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2012-04-03T16:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology"></span>Why the cut in voltage is called knee voltage somewhere ? Please answer me. And here it's said , it is zener breakdown the zenner knee voltage.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hemantshripal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hemantshripal (page does not exist)">Hemantshripal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hemantshripal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Hemantshripal (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hemantshripal" title="Special:Contributions/Hemantshripal">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z-Voltage_Terminology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-89.239.195.102-2022-05-10T18:31:00.000Z-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z"></span>At least in Denmark, U is also used, rather than the weird use of E or (more understandable) V. I believe U is common in most European cultures. The weird E seems to be an American artifact. I have never seen it before. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.239.195.102" title="Special:Contributions/89.239.195.102">89.239.195.102</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:89.239.195.102#top" title="User talk:89.239.195.102">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-89.239.195.102-2022-05-10T18:31:00.000Z-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-89.239.195.102-2022-05-10T18:31:00.000Z-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-89.239.195.102-2022-05-10T18:31:00.000Z-Hemantshripal-2011-12-26T03:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Meaningless_Statement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Meaningless_Statement-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Meaningless_Statement-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z"></span>Meaningless Statement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Meaningless_Statement-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Meaningless Statement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-141.211.4.71-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"></span>"A reverse-biased Zener diode will exhibit a controlled breakdown and allow the current to keep the voltage across the Zener diode at the Zener voltage. For example, a diode with a Zener breakdown voltage of 3.2 V will exhibit a voltage drop of 3.2 V if reverse bias voltage applied across it is more than its Zener voltage." </p><p>Uh ? Surely this can be re-worded so as to make sense. </p><p>Actually, this is the best explanation I have seen, and that includes the one found in Horowitz & Hill. The current flow increases as the voltage across the diode increases past the diode's Zener voltage, and works to keep the voltage that appears across the diode at a constant. (The Zener voltage is something designed into the diode and is a fixed value for a given diode.) So if you put a voltmeter across the Zener diode and turn up the voltage (in the reverse-bias sense) the voltage shown on the voltmeter will rise to the Zener voltage and then stay there, even as the applied voltage continues to rise. </p><p>Charles Antonelli Nov 2009 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.211.4.71" title="Special:Contributions/141.211.4.71">141.211.4.71</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:141.211.4.71&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:141.211.4.71 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-141.211.4.71-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-141.211.4.71-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-141.211.4.71-2009-11-09T16:27:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-121.216.41.170-2017-03-12T05:21:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"></span>Re the destruction of a conventional diode, surely the point is the POWER developed in the device. The mode of destruction is overheating. In the case of a broken-down diode the voltage is likely to be quite large, and therefore a relatively small current will develop sufficient power to overheat the device. --Andrew Smith May 2009 </p><p><br/> How about something like ... "As the reverse voltage across a Zener diode is increased, it will exhibit a controlled breakdown at its Zener voltage. This will allow the current through it to keep that constant voltage across the diode. For example, a diode with a Zener breakdown voltage of 3.2 V will exhibit a constant voltage drop of 3.2 V across it, if the reverse bias voltage applied across it increases beyond 3.2V." <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/121.216.41.170" title="Special:Contributions/121.216.41.170">121.216.41.170</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:121.216.41.170#top" title="User talk:121.216.41.170">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-121.216.41.170-2017-03-12T05:21:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-121.216.41.170-2017-03-12T05:21:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-121.216.41.170-2017-03-12T05:21:00.000Z-Meaningless_Statement"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Schematic_Symbol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Schematic_Symbol-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Schematic_Symbol-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z"></span>Schematic Symbol<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Schematic_Symbol-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Schematic Symbol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyperlight-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span>Isn't the schematic symbol in the top right photo for a Schottky diode? I always thought the Zener symbol had the tips at a 45 degree angle. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hyperlight&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hyperlight (page does not exist)">Hyperlight</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Hyperlight-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyperlight-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyperlight-2007-04-13T00:40:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:18:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span>A <a href="/wiki/Schottky_diode" title="Schottky diode">Schottky diode</a> has extra bits on the tips. See <a href="/wiki/Diode" title="Diode">Diode</a> for a list of symbols. I have seen zener's shown with angled tips (eg in Bill Orr's "Radio Handbook") but more of the references I have (eg <a href="/wiki/ARRL" class="mw-redirect" title="ARRL">ARRL</a> Handbook, <a href="/wiki/Silicon_Chip" title="Silicon Chip">Silicon Chip</a>) use the image shown here. images.google.com also shows a variant with only one side of the cathode bar having a bent tip. I know there are standards but I don't have references to them. --<a href="/wiki/User:PeterJeremy" title="User:PeterJeremy">PeterJeremy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:18:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:18:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:18:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-124.171.252.31-2007-09-07T07:16:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span>In Australia, at any rate, the symbol for a Zener diode is the same as that shown <i>except</i> that the top does not have the right angle tip. Source is Standards Associoation of Australia 1986, SAA Hb3 - Electrical and Electronic Drawing Practice for Students. I believe this is also the standard symbol in the UK. Perhaps there should be a picture of the two (or three) standard forms of drawing the Zener diode symbol along with the region to which they apply. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/124.171.252.31" title="Special:Contributions/124.171.252.31">124.171.252.31</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:124.171.252.31&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:124.171.252.31 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-124.171.252.31-2007-09-07T07:16:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-124.171.252.31-2007-09-07T07:16:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-124.171.252.31-2007-09-07T07:16:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span>The Schottky should have a "hat" that looks more like a fancy "S" (for Shottky). The Zener should have a hat that looks like a "Z". The "Z" not only stands for Zener, but it looks like the i-v curve. So, the symbol on the page as is now should be flipped (so it looks like a Z). --<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z"></span>I just want to ping this comment again. The Zener symbol shown above should have a "Z" hat to match conventions (and general common sense). The "backward Z" is counter intuitive and makes the symbol seem arbitrary. Symbols, like words on a page, mean things. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> | (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-04-23T00:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z"></span>My quick search for evidence to back up that point of view comes up with just as many counter-examples, I think. See for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=FbezraN9tvEC&pg=PA92&dq=zener+symbol+schottky-diode&ei=zPxYSf3PLIr8lQTb9d3sCA">[1]</a>, where the Zener is drawn both ways on one page, and the Schottky is backwards from what you suggest. I never heard of any handedness convention on these before; it's OK to change it if you can find a source that says there's such a convention. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T17:15:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z"></span>Hm. I suspect that originally the Zener was a "Z", because that corresponded well to the name "Zener" as well as to the i-v characteristic (which looks like a Z). Then Schottky came along. When comparing the Schottky i-v characteristic to the Zener's (or even a normal diode), it makes sense that the Schottky should look like a squished (or somehow modified) Z. However, to match the name-to-symbol convention, it makes sense to flip the Z to make it look like an S. So my <i>guess</i> is that Zener started out like a Z, and then Schottky started out like an S, and ever since people have been flipping the handedness.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I've always used (and seen in H&H, for example) Z and S, but until your response, I hadn't ever thought about how using "S" is backwards if you want the hats to resemble the i-v curves. So I can see an argument for using the S backwards... And if we're using the S backwards... I guess we can use the Z backwards... So I guess it's best leaving it as ambiguous as possible. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> | (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T17:15:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T17:15:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T17:15:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span>The "Zener Diode" page has the symbol: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_diode_symbol-2.svg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_diode_symbol-2.svg</a> </p><p>which is quite different to the Zener symbol on the "Diode" page: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_diode_symbol.svg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_diode_symbol.svg</a> </p><p>Please would knowledgeable someone add a correction or note to indicate why there is a difference ? <a href="/wiki/User:Darkman101" title="User:Darkman101">Darkman101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darkman101" title="User talk:Darkman101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z-Schematic_Symbol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:23:00.000Z-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"></span>Suggest that both schematic symbols for Zener diodes should be included in this article: the present symbol with two bent ends on the cathode and the other symbol with a single bent end on the cathode. <a href="/wiki/User:CPES" title="User:CPES">CPES</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CPES" title="User talk:CPES">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:23:00.000Z-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:23:00.000Z-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:23:00.000Z-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rich_S_10001-20240804195800-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"></span>Someone with an IEC account should check the latest design in IEC 60617. Both of images in those 2 links do not agree with the version I have. In my version, the zener diode symbol is based on the basic diode symbol but adds one (only one) small 90-degree (not 45-degree) segment to one end of the cathode-line.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.clipartmax.com/max/m2H7i8i8A0i8d3G6/">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="Https://www.clipartmax.com/max/m2H7i8i8A0i8d3G6/">https://www.clipartmax.com/max/m2H7i8i8A0i8d3G6/</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rich_S_10001" title="User:Rich S 10001">Rich S 10001</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rich_S_10001" title="User talk:Rich S 10001">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Rich_S_10001-20240804195800-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rich_S_10001-20240804195800-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rich_S_10001-20240804195800-Darkman101-2013-05-13T09:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diode_destruction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diode_destruction-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diode_destruction-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Diode destruction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diode_destruction-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Diode destruction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-60.240.180.162-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"></span>IIs the reason that a normal diode "destroys itself" due to avalanche breakdown? If so, then we should say this explicitly. Also, a diode doesn't ever really destroy itself, unless it is connected to a very low resistance path. In this case, a diode can destroy itself in reverse bias as well as forward bias, can it not? So, we should remove this vagueness I think, and be a bit more clear. I can make the changes, I just want to check with the other authors first. I guess I could also check a textbook, but I don't have one with me right at this moment. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dgrant" title="User:Dgrant">User:Dgrant</a> </p> <dl><dd>Sort of. Avalanche breakdown in itself doesn't damage the device; in fact the effect is used a lot for small current amplification in devices like p-i-n avalanche photodiodes. What really destroys the device is the excessive current flow. If that current flow is limited by external circuitry, the diode could remain operational in its avalanche breakdown region. So yes, as you said, the diode can just as easily be destroyed at high forward bias because of excessive current. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Uberpenguin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Uberpenguin (page does not exist)">uberpenguin</a> <code>@ 2006-06-25 13:14Z</code></dd></dl> <p>What is not clear to me is what happens when a zener is destroyed. Does it go open circuit or closed circuit? One can imagine that it would go open circuit at catasrophic destruction but what about otherwise? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/60.240.180.162" title="Special:Contributions/60.240.180.162">60.240.180.162</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:60.240.180.162&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:60.240.180.162 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-60.240.180.162-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z-Diode_destruction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-60.240.180.162-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-60.240.180.162-2011-08-02T13:16:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"></span>I just did the experiment several times with a 15V 500mW Zener, connected directly to a variable voltage PSU. At 14V, no current flows (a DVM shows 0.00 uA, so this is pretty good). As the voltage rises to about 15.8V, the current increases (though the diode gets hotter, which reduces current slightly), then the diode's internals melt. At meltdown, all 6 specimens went short-circuit, rather than open-circuit. This fail-short rather than fail-open is good for protecting the regulated circuit, so it's clearly desirable; is it also a designed behaviour, or was this experiment simply lucky? <a href="/wiki/User:RichardNeill" title="User:RichardNeill">RichardNeill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RichardNeill" title="User talk:RichardNeill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z-Diode_destruction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z-Diode_destruction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z"></span>If you could find a citation for this, it would be useful to the article. Perhaps the people who design intrinsic-safety barriers have written on this topic. If you had a high-energy supply available, you'd probably blow up the diode rather than melting it; I've seen the top of an IC case blown off by a fairly small portable computer power supply, for example. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wtshymanski" title="User:Wtshymanski">Wtshymanski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wtshymanski" title="User talk:Wtshymanski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z-RichardNeill-2011-10-26T15:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:29:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z"></span>Like most semiconductor devices, whether they fail open of short circuit depends on many factors. As noted above, an example that fails short circuit in a particular scenario, when the device is replaced can fail open circuit second time around. What is well known is that semiconductor devices make better fuses than fuses do, which makes protecting semiconductors in power circuits problematic. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.145.22.224" title="Special:Contributions/109.145.22.224">109.145.22.224</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:109.145.22.224" title="User talk:109.145.22.224">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:29:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:29:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-109.145.22.224-2012-04-14T14:29:00.000Z-Wtshymanski-2011-10-27T15:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Zener_breakdown" data-mw-thread-id="h-Zener_breakdown"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Zener_breakdown"></span>Zener breakdown<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Zener_breakdown"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Zener breakdown"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>We should also have a diagram to show how Zener breakdown occurs. Without a diagram showing the mechanism and/or the I-V relationship, this article is sadly, fairly useless. I will draw one homemade using Xfig, unless someone beats me to it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dgrant" title="User:Dgrant">User:Dgrant</a> </p><p>we should also have a graph showing the break down voltage and the knee voltage in the V-I relationship [user:shandhir] </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="pronunciation" data-mw-thread-id="h-pronunciation-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-pronunciation-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z"></span>pronunciation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-pronunciation-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: pronunciation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Heron-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span>There seems to be disagreement on whether Zener is pronounced like "zeener" or "zenner," possibly a British/American distinction. Authoritative comments on this would be helpful. --teejaydub </p> <dl><dd><i>The Chambers Dictionary</i> (British) says "zeener", which is annoying, because I have always pronounced it "zenner". Perhaps "zenner" is more natural for Brits because of the "zed"/"zee" thing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Heron" title="User:Heron">Heron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Heron-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z-pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heron-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heron-2005-07-29T20:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darkman101-2013-08-22T06:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span>In all my years, I have only ever heard it pronounced to rhyme with "Warrior Princess" <a href="/wiki/User:Darkman101" title="User:Darkman101">Darkman101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darkman101" title="User talk:Darkman101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Darkman101-2013-08-22T06:22:00.000Z-pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darkman101-2013-08-22T06:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darkman101-2013-08-22T06:22:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.213.76.24-2014-07-31T15:16:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span>I suggest those who knew Clarence at Carnegie Mellon, or his family members, give a definitive answer. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.213.76.24" title="Special:Contributions/108.213.76.24">108.213.76.24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:108.213.76.24" title="User talk:108.213.76.24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-108.213.76.24-2014-07-31T15:16:00.000Z-pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.213.76.24-2014-07-31T15:16:00.000Z-pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.213.76.24-2014-07-31T15:16:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span>This obituary says ZEE-ner. The wording suggests this is the family pronunciation. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/06/obituaries/clarence-m-zener-87-physicist-and-professor-at-carnegie-mellon.html">http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/06/obituaries/clarence-m-zener-87-physicist-and-professor-at-carnegie-mellon.html</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/155.98.69.99" title="Special:Contributions/155.98.69.99">155.98.69.99</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:155.98.69.99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:155.98.69.99 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z-pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z-pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z-pronunciation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spinningspark-2014-12-09T08:40:00.000Z-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z"></span>Probably no very useful to resurrect a ten-year old debate, especially as the article currently says nothing about this, but for what it's worth, the OED gives the pronunciation as /ˈziːnə(r)/, that is, ZEEner. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinningspark" title="User:Spinningspark"><b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinningspark" title="User talk:Spinningspark"><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Spinningspark-2014-12-09T08:40:00.000Z-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spinningspark-2014-12-09T08:40:00.000Z-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spinningspark-2014-12-09T08:40:00.000Z-155.98.69.99-2014-12-09T01:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unneccessary_statement" data-mw-thread-id="h-unneccessary_statement-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unneccessary_statement-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"></span>unneccessary statement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unneccessary_statement-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: unneccessary statement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z-unneccessary_statement"></span>"Zener diodes are widely used in electronic circuits." - when else are diodes used? I'm totally deleting that one. <a href="/wiki/User:Fresheneesz" title="User:Fresheneesz">Fresheneesz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z-unneccessary_statement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z-unneccessary_statement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z-unneccessary_statement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:30:00.000Z-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"></span>This is unreasonable and detracts from the Wikipedia page, especially as the article has so many serious problems which need to be sorted. On your basis half of Wikipedia could be deleted. The point is that Zener diodes are widely used in electronic circuits as opposed to to one or two specialist applications. I really cant see your point of view or your logic. <a href="/wiki/User:CPES" title="User:CPES">CPES</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CPES" title="User talk:CPES">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:30:00.000Z-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:30:00.000Z-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CPES-2016-03-02T13:30:00.000Z-Fresheneesz-2006-02-02T21:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Transwiki_note" data-mw-thread-id="h-Transwiki_note-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Transwiki_note-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z"></span>Transwiki note<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Transwiki_note-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Transwiki note"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SB_Johnny-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z-Transwiki_note"></span>Most or all of this article was transwikied to wikibooks 18:37, 16 August 2006. Anyone know why? The user (IP only) did not copy the edit history or talk... I'll be happy to do that if there's a reason it was sent over. --<a href="/wiki/User:SB_Johnny" title="User:SB Johnny"><span style="color:green;"><b>SB_Johnny</b></span></a> | <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SB_Johnny" title="User talk:SB Johnny"><span style="color:green;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-SB_Johnny-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z-Transwiki_note" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SB_Johnny-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z-Transwiki_note"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SB_Johnny-2006-08-16T23:55:00.000Z-Transwiki_note"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Zener_Breakdown_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Zener_Breakdown_2"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Zener_Breakdown_2"></span>Zener Breakdown<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Zener_Breakdown_2"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Zener Breakdown"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>More information on the Zener Diode Breakdown would be great!! </p> <dl><dd>A very thin energy barrier due to large reverse bias and allowed energy states on both sides of the barrier gives rise to a high probability of quantum tunneling, a.k.a. Zener breakdown. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Britt" title="User:Matt Britt">mattb</a> <code>@ 2006-09-19T17:17Z</code></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Behaviour_at_low_current" data-mw-thread-id="h-Behaviour_at_low_current-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Behaviour_at_low_current-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span>Behaviour at low current<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Behaviour_at_low_current-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Behaviour at low current"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span>"If insufficient current flows through D, then UOUT will be unregulated, and could rise as high as UIN." - could someone provide a reference for this claim. A zener diode can be modelled as a perfect zener diode with a resistor in series and a resistor in parallel. Whilst the output is unregulated at low currents (heavily dependent on the current flow through the diode), the output voltage will always be less than the nominal zener voltage. --<a href="/wiki/User:PeterJeremy" title="User:PeterJeremy">PeterJeremy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-05T00:50:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-18T09:01:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span>In view of the lack of comments, I have corrected the statement, adding a reference to the behaviour of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Voltage_regulator_tubes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Voltage regulator tubes (page does not exist)">Voltage regulator tubes</a> - which do behave as was previously written. --<a href="/wiki/User:PeterJeremy" title="User:PeterJeremy">PeterJeremy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-18T09:01:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-18T09:01:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterJeremy-2006-12-18T09:01:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:29:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span>I believe that UOUT can in fact rise to as high as UIN. Assume as stated above that a zener diode may be modelled as an ideal zener with a resistor in series (Rs) and another in parallel (Rp). Below the zener voltage this model reduces to a resistor with value Rs+Rp. The voltage UOUT across this resistor will be UIN x (Rs+Rp)/(Rs+Rp+R) where R is the resistor in series with the zener shown in the schematic. This can be as high as UIN for (Rs+Rp) very large relative to R (the usual case). </p><p>If there are no comments I will make this change. May 6 2007 </p><p>In the "usual case", the current through the diode will be in the flattish area above the knee current. To reduce the current through the diode, you need to increase R so (Rs+Rp) will never be very large relative to R. A study of the I/V curve for a zener diode will more clearly show the behaviour but I haven't been able to locate a datasheet with an I/V curve in it. Rummaging around with Google finds <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.mpoweruk.com/semis.htm">[3]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.vishay.com/doc?84078">[4]</a> - both of which include typical curves. --<a href="/wiki/User:PeterJeremy" title="User:PeterJeremy">PeterJeremy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:29:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:29:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeterJeremy-2007-05-15T09:29:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ryanrs-2007-11-09T09:23:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span>Rs ≪ R ≪ Rp if you haven't abused your diode. —<a href="/wiki/User:Ryanrs" title="User:Ryanrs">Ryan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Ryanrs-2007-11-09T09:23:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ryanrs-2007-11-09T09:23:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ryanrs-2007-11-09T09:23:00.000Z-Behaviour_at_low_current"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"><span id="Is_this_the_same_as_a_.22thyrector.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"></span>Is this the same as a "thyrector"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Is this the same as a "thyrector"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"></span>I once saw a thing called a "thyrector" in an old 60's era schematic. I remember it being drawn as ->|<- so I imagine it as being two Zener diodes connected in opposite directions, which would provide A/C voltage regulation. Is this correct? This would make it different from, say, a "diac" which would avalanche above the break voltage. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.68.159.105" title="Special:Contributions/66.68.159.105">66.68.159.105</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.68.159.105&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:66.68.159.105 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:32:00.000Z-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"></span>As you mentioned, it is common to use two Zener diodes connected in series opposition (i.e., in series with opposite bias) to make a cheap voltage regulator (with nominal output of close to <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle V_{Z}+0.7\,{\text{V}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mi>V</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>Z</mi> </mrow> </msub> <mo>+</mo> <mn>0.7</mn> <mspace width="thinmathspace"></mspace> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mtext>V</mtext> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle V_{Z}+0.7\,{\text{V}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e0b9fb380b93792db98cba5446fb9269ffca72b9" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:10.718ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle V_{Z}+0.7\,{\text{V}}}"/></span> at room temperature). This combination is also used for <a href="/wiki/MOSFET" title="MOSFET">gate oxide</a> protection because oxides can usually withstand voltages of the same order of magnitude as most commercial Zener breakdown voltages (however, when standard inputs should never stray from each other by more than a small amount (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Operational_amplifier" title="Operational amplifier">operational amplifier</a> inputs under <a href="/wiki/Negative_feedback" title="Negative feedback">negative feedback</a>), standard diodes connected in "parallel opposition" are used). Because this combination is so popular <i>and</i> (in the regulator case) depends on nearly symmetric operation, "double anode Zener diodes" (DAZD) can be purchased that combine two <i>matched</i> Zener diodes in "series opposition" on one part. The name "thyrector" is a synonym for DAZD. Personally, I prefer "DAZD" (which I pronounce "daz-dee"); however, because DAZD fabrication may allow for shortcuts that are unlike what you would see in Zener fabrication, having a non-Zener name might be more truthful. I also notice that DAZD's are usually drawn as two Zener's, whereas thyrectors are usually drawn sharing a "hat" (which may or may not look like a Zener hat). —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:32:00.000Z-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:32:00.000Z-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:32:00.000Z-66.68.159.105-2008-04-10T00:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"></span>I am also not sure how it works? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.182.89.34" title="Special:Contributions/75.182.89.34">75.182.89.34</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.182.89.34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:75.182.89.34 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z-Is_this_the_same_as_a_"thyrector"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:35:00.000Z-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Can you be more specific? If you understand Zener breakdown, then consider two Zener's in series with opposite bias. The one with sufficiently large reverse bias will act like a voltage source at <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle V_{Z}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <msub> <mi>V</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi>Z</mi> </mrow> </msub> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle V_{Z}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/bf25bc23d821fe62aed7e32a8c0a621b080a5309" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:2.776ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle V_{Z}}"/></span> (e.g., 4.3 V). The one in forward bias will act like a voltage source at (around) 0.7 V. Together, they'll act like a 5.0 V voltage source (with a little series resistance to dissipate any disagreement with the surrounding source). The same goes in reverse, but the voltage source is -5.0 V. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:35:00.000Z-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:35:00.000Z-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2009-02-16T18:35:00.000Z-75.182.89.34-2009-02-15T20:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="References?" data-mw-thread-id="h-References?-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z"><span id="References.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-References?-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z"></span>References?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-References?-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: References?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-138.64.2.77-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z-References?"></span>Other than specifications for a particular zener diode, are there any references that have been used? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/138.64.2.77" title="Special:Contributions/138.64.2.77">138.64.2.77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:138.64.2.77" title="User talk:138.64.2.77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-138.64.2.77-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z-References?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-138.64.2.77-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z-References?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-138.64.2.77-2008-07-16T16:21:00.000Z-References?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Circuit_symbol?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Circuit_symbol?-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"><span id="Circuit_symbol.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Circuit_symbol?-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"></span>Circuit symbol?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Circuit_symbol?-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Circuit symbol?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z-Circuit_symbol?"></span>The article says "Note that because it is almost always the reverse breakdown property of the Zener diode which is useful, in circuit schematics the Zener diodes typically point in the opposite direction of traditional diodes – the arrows point in the opposite direction to the current." 1) I cannot find any examples of this 2) The article shows the normal diagram. So either the diagram is wrong, or this statement is wrong. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.218.13.96" title="Special:Contributions/98.218.13.96">98.218.13.96</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:98.218.13.96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:98.218.13.96 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z-Circuit_symbol?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z-Circuit_symbol?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z-Circuit_symbol?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"></span>In the diagram under "Uses", the current flow is downward, counter to the direction of the arrow. As the article says, a Zener is seldom used with a forward current, but always with a reverse current; the arrow points from the p-type region to the n-type region, as in other diodes. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon" title="User talk:Dicklyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T01:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z"></span>I misread the statement. I took it to be saying that the symbol for a Zener diode would show anode and cathode differently from other diodes. Thanks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.218.13.96" title="Special:Contributions/98.218.13.96">98.218.13.96</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:98.218.13.96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:98.218.13.96 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2008-12-29T02:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:38:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z"></span>I've modified the statement for clarity. Does it help? I've also moved an image from the lead part of the article into the usage section. Now the circuit sits next to a figure showing how positive current flow relates to the circuit symbol (and also shows how the circuit symbol relates to common diode packages). —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TedPavlic" title="User:TedPavlic">TedPavlic</a></b> | (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TedPavlic" title="User talk:TedPavlic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:38:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:38:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TedPavlic-2008-12-29T15:38:00.000Z-98.218.13.96-2008-12-29T02:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="common_voltages" data-mw-thread-id="h-common_voltages-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-common_voltages-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z"></span>common voltages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-common_voltages-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: common voltages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlieb000-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z-common_voltages"></span>although there are many customised versions (with as little as 0.03V difference, as seen on Digikey), here are the more common voltages (for quick reference): [2.4V, 2.7V, 3.0V,] 3.3V, 3.9V, 4.3V, 4.7V, 5.1V, 5.6V, 6.2V, 6.8V, 7.5V, 8.2V, 9.1V, 10V, 11V, 12V, 13V, 15V, 16V, 18V, 20V, 24V, 27V, 30V, 33V, 36V, 39V, 47V, 51V, 56V, 62V, 68V, 75V, 82V, 91V, 100V, 110V, 150V, 160V, 180V and 200V. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Charlieb000&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Charlieb000 (page does not exist)">Charlieb000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlieb000" title="User talk:Charlieb000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Charlieb000-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z-common_voltages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlieb000-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z-common_voltages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlieb000-2012-08-04T00:13:00.000Z-common_voltages"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"></span>A bit more clarity is needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: A bit more clarity is needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed"></span>I recently read this page to find out what a zener diode is and how it works but found this page to be unclear on what is considered a zener diode and what is not, as well as on how a zener diode works and how this differs from other diodes that are not considered zeners. Allow me to explain what confused me: </p> <ul><li>The page seems to intermingle the words "mechanism", "effect", "type", "breakdown", "zener" and "avalanche" without clearly explaining what is what.</li> <li>The first paragraph indicates there are two "mechanisms" or "types":</li></ul> <dl><dd><i>Many diodes described as "zener" diodes rely <b>instead</b> on avalanche breakdown as the mechanism. <b>Both</b> types are used.</i></dd> <dd>However, there is no clear mention of two "types" or "mechanisms" in that paragraph. It does mentions the "<a href="/wiki/Breakdown_voltage" title="Breakdown voltage">breakdown voltage</a>" aka "avalanche point" and "<a href="/wiki/Avalanche_breakdown" title="Avalanche breakdown">avalanche breakdown</a>", but it is not clear what these are and whether they are the "mechanisms" in question.</dd></dl> <ul><li>Later on the page, there is mention of the "zener effect" and the "avalanche effect", which may also be the two "mechanisms" or "types" referred to, in which case this should be explained immediately and not that far down the page.</li> <li>The first paragraph says that both "types" are referred to as "zener diodes", but later on there is mention of <a href="/wiki/Avalanche_diode" title="Avalanche diode">avalanche diodes</a> as if these are a different thing based on the "other" mechanism. It should be made more clear if these are a sub-type of zeners, or a different thing entirely.</li></ul> <p>A little reordering of information and consistency in wording might solve a lot of this. The first paragraph should then explain what a zener diode is and, if appropriate, what similar types of diode are not considered zeners and the difference between the two. It should explain what mechanisms are involved and the various terms used to refer to them. Where there are multiple terms for the same thing, this should be explained once and only one of the terms should be used on the rest of the page. </p><p>Unfortunately, I was reading this page to find out about zeners, so I am unable to rewrite the page to explain them myself. If somebody can clarify, I might be able to rewrite the page to make it more clear to the uninitialized. <span style="padding-left: 2em; white-space: nowrap">— <a href="/wiki/User:SkyLined" title="User:SkyLined"><tt style="text-shadow:#80FF80 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; color:#008000;">SkyLined</tt></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SkyLined" title="User talk:SkyLined">talk</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z-A_bit_more_clarity_is_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:37:00.000Z-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"></span>Also, the <a href="/wiki/Avalanche_diode" title="Avalanche diode">avalanche diode</a> uses the same current vs voltage graph as the <a href="/wiki/Zener_diode" title="Zener diode">zener diode</a> even thought the former explains that "<i>Avalanche diodes are optimized for avalanche effect so they exhibit small but significant voltage drop under breakdown conditions, unlike Zener diodes that always maintain a voltage higher than breakdown.</i>" - so it seems that the two graphs could not be the same. This only adds to my confusion :( <span style="padding-left: 2em; white-space: nowrap">— <a href="/wiki/User:SkyLined" title="User:SkyLined"><tt style="text-shadow:#80FF80 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; color:#008000;">SkyLined</tt></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SkyLined" title="User talk:SkyLined">talk</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:37:00.000Z-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:37:00.000Z-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:37:00.000Z-SkyLined-2013-02-14T13:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z"><span id="Request_for_Discussion_of_.7B.7BSemiconductor_packages.7D.7D_in_electronic_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z"></span>Request for Discussion of <a href="/wiki/Template:Semiconductor_packages" title="Template:Semiconductor packages">{{Semiconductor packages}}</a> in electronic articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Request for Discussion of {{Semiconductor packages}} in electronic articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbmeirow-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles"></span>Please see the corresponding discussion thread at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Electronics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronics">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronics</a>. Thanks! • <a href="/wiki/User:Sbmeirow" title="User:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbmeirow" title="User talk:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Sbmeirow-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 15 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbmeirow-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbmeirow-2013-12-15T23:34:00.000Z-Request_for_Discussion_of_{{Semiconductor_packages}}_in_electronic_articles"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Capitalisation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Capitalisation-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Capitalisation-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Capitalisation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Capitalisation-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Capitalisation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spinningspark-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z-Capitalisation"></span>I have gone through the article and made the capitalisation of Zener consistently capitalised. I saw that about a year ago the article was made lower case, but this was not done thoroughly and the article remained inconsistent. It is arguable whether the word has yet entered the lexicon as a common noun—books sources seem fairly divided on this. I found a MoS, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lVeSAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA158&dq=%22Zener+diode%22+capitalise&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-mc1U9bkGY3H7AafjoHoAg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Zener%20diode%22%20capitalise&f=false"><i>Science and Technical Writing: A Manual of Style</i></a> which categorically says "Zener" should be capitalised. In the absence of any better authority, I think we should go with that. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Spinningspark" title="User:Spinningspark"><span style="background:#fafad2; color:#C08000;">Spinning</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinningspark" title="User talk:Spinningspark"><span style="color:#4840a0;">Spark</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Spinningspark-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z-Capitalisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spinningspark-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z-Capitalisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spinningspark-2014-03-30T15:48:00.000Z-Capitalisation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span>Vacuum Tube voltage references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Vacuum Tube voltage references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mccainre-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references"></span>Neon and Argon bulbs were used as voltage references long before the Zener Diode was invented. It might be useful to add something on these classical parts in the history. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mccainre" title="User:Mccainre">Mccainre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mccainre" title="User talk:Mccainre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Mccainre-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mccainre-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mccainre-2015-01-02T20:11:00.000Z-Vacuum_Tube_voltage_references"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode" data-mw-thread-id="h-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Electric field strength in Zener diode<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Electric field strength in Zener diode"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JerzyTarasiuk-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode"></span>The article says about very thin (<1 µm) depletion region and field of value 500kV/m at 5V reverse voltage. Obviously it is wrong: 5V/1µm=5MV/m, 10 times more. And an article [Zener effect] referenced here says about 30 MV/m (Zener breakdown voltage is found to occur at electric field intensity of about 3×10^7 V/m), another 6 times more. </p><p>It should also be noted that electric field is not uniform in entire depletion region thickness: only PIN diode can have uniform field in the non-doped 'I' region, and the depletion region must contain the non-doped one plus some margins, which holds electric charges necessary to create the field. Along a line of electric field in a PN junction the field is strongest just on a boundary between P and N regions (assuming flat junction geometry and uniform permittivity); for uniform P and N region doping, the field decreases linearly from PN boundary to boundary between depletion region and each of mobile charge regions. This creates a possibility that the field in the PN boundary is strong enough to create electron-hole pairs due to Zener effect, and these electron and/or holes create more carriers due to avalanche effect, rather than creating carriers due to Zener effect in entire volume of the depletion region. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JerzyTarasiuk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JerzyTarasiuk (page does not exist)">JerzyTarasiuk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JerzyTarasiuk" title="User talk:JerzyTarasiuk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-JerzyTarasiuk-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JerzyTarasiuk-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JerzyTarasiuk-2017-11-10T19:36:00.000Z-Electric_field_strength_in_Zener_diode"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Plagiarism or Copyright Violation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Plagiarism or Copyright Violation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation"></span>A significant portion of this Wikipedia article and substantially all of this page at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.engineersedge.com/instrumentation/zener_diode_10129.htm%7C">Engineers Edge</a> are verbatim copies of each other, including some illustrations. Wikipedia is not citing the latter, and the latter is claiming copyright, all rights reserved, without attribution to Wikipedia. Who is the rightful copyright holder? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.76.182.33" title="Special:Contributions/24.76.182.33">24.76.182.33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.76.182.33" title="User talk:24.76.182.33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z-Plagiarism_or_Copyright_Violation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Seems like the website you link to is the ripoff, given that the three images it shares with wikipedia are described as self-made by wikipedia users, dating back to 2006-2008: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg">1</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_3D_and_ckt.png">2</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zener_diode_voltage_regulator.svg">3</a>. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:FDominec" title="User:FDominec">FDominec</a>:</span> (one of the creators) can probably confirm. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nanite" title="User:Nanite">Nanite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nanite" title="User talk:Nanite">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z-24.76.182.33-2018-07-02T17:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z"></span>and to clarify, three drawings created by three different wikipedia authors. • <a href="/wiki/User:Sbmeirow" title="User:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbmeirow" title="User talk:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z-Nanite-2018-07-02T19:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T02:17:00.000Z-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z"></span>The intro of the current Engineers Edge article is very close to text from Wikipedia in 2010 to 2012 era. The wikipedia intro text evolved over many edits to a point where it almost matches the Engineers Edge article. Also, doing a rough comparison of the two current articles results in many groups of identical or similar text too. The EE article smells very fishy! • <a href="/wiki/User:Sbmeirow" title="User:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbmeirow" title="User talk:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T02:17:00.000Z-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T02:17:00.000Z-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T02:17:00.000Z-Sbmeirow-2018-07-03T00:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="border:2px solid #A3B1BF; padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em; background-color:#fff; color:#000; margin-top:10px"> <dl><dt><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.engineersedge.com/instrumentation/zener_diode_10129.htm">EE20180702</a> - intro for current Engineers Edge article</dt></dl> <p>A zener diode is a unique diode that allows current to flow in the forward direction in the same manner as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "zener knee voltage" or "zener voltage" </p> <dl><dt><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zener_diode&oldid=843099517">WIKI20180702</a> - intro for current Wikipedia article</dt></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a particular type of diode that, unlike a normal one, allows current to flow not only from its anode to its cathode, but also in the reverse direction, when the Zener voltage is reached. </p> </div> <div style="border:2px solid #A3B1BF; padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em; background-color:#fff; color:#000; margin-top:10px"> <dl><dt><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zener_diode&type=revision&diff=380538749&oldid=380530040">WIKI20100823</a></dt></dl> <dl><dt>COMMENT - point where new text was added - breakdown voltage and "Zener knee voltage" or "Zener voltage"</dt></dl> </div> <div style="border:2px solid #A3B1BF; padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em; background-color:#fff; color:#000; margin-top:10px"> <dl><dt><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zener_diode&type=revision&diff=438210426&oldid=433936388">WIKI20110707</a></dt></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a special kind of diode which allows current to flow in the forward direction same as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "Zener knee voltage" or "Zener voltage." </p> <dl><dt>COMPARE EE20180702 vs WIKI20110707, the following text is identical (except * and #)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a <u>******* **** **</u> diode <u>*****</u> allows current to flow in the forward direction <u>## ###</u> same <u>######</u> as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "Zener knee voltage" or "Zener voltage." </p> <dl><dt>COMMENT - point where ideal diode and other new text was added and text following ideal diode solidifies</dt></dl> </div> <div style="border:2px solid #A3B1BF; padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em; background-color:#fff; color:#000; margin-top:10px"> <dl><dt><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zener_diode&oldid=472235075">WIKI20120120</a></dt></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a special kind of diode which allows current to flow in the forward direction in the same manner as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "Zener knee voltage" or "Zener voltage." </p> <dl><dt>COMPARE EE20180702 vs WIKI20120120, the following text is identical (except *)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a <u>******* **** **</u> diode <u>*****</u> allows current to flow in the forward direction in the same manner as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "Zener knee voltage" or "Zener voltage." </p> </div> <div style="border:2px solid #A3B1BF; padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em; background-color:#fff; color:#000; margin-top:10px"> <dl><dt><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zener_diode&oldid=526307926">WIKI20121204</a></dt></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a diode which allows current to flow in the forward direction in the same manner as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "zener knee voltage" or "zener voltage". </p> <dl><dt>COMPARE EE20180702 vs WIKI20121204, the following text is identical (except * and #)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>A Zener diode is a <u>######</u> diode <u>****</u> allows current to flow in the forward direction in the same manner as an ideal diode, but will also permit it to flow in the reverse direction when the voltage is above a certain value known as the breakdown voltage, "zener knee voltage" or "zener voltage". </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History" data-mw-thread-id="h-History-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"></span>History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: History"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z-History"></span>Who invented it? Someone called Zener? When? --<a href="/wiki/User:Hugh7" title="User:Hugh7">Hugh7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hugh7" title="User talk:Hugh7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z-History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z-History"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z-History"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbmeirow-2019-07-09T05:48:00.000Z-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"></span>This information was already in the intro area, but I moved it into a new section. • <a href="/wiki/User:Sbmeirow" title="User:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbmeirow" title="User talk:Sbmeirow"><span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Sbmeirow-2019-07-09T05:48:00.000Z-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbmeirow-2019-07-09T05:48:00.000Z-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbmeirow-2019-07-09T05:48:00.000Z-Hugh7-2019-06-26T05:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="diodes_are_made_differently" data-mw-thread-id="h-diodes_are_made_differently-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-diodes_are_made_differently-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z"></span>diodes are made differently<span data-mw-comment-end="h-diodes_are_made_differently-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: diodes are made differently"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aditya8795-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z-diodes_are_made_differently"></span>This sentence is wrong I believe. "The two types of diode are in fact constructed the same way and both effects are present in diodes of this type". The avalanche effect is dominant in lightly doped PN diodes which has fatter depletion regions so there is space for the electrons to really pick up speed. While zener effect occurs in heavily doped PN diodes where the electric field is made stronger in that thin region. reference - <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/es154/lectures/lecture_2/breakdown/breakdown.html">harvard</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Aditya8795" title="User:Aditya8795">Aditya8795</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aditya8795#top" title="User talk:Aditya8795">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aditya8795" title="Special:Contributions/Aditya8795">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Aditya8795-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z-diodes_are_made_differently" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aditya8795-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z-diodes_are_made_differently"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aditya8795-2019-08-23T19:12:00.000Z-diodes_are_made_differently"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span>Inconsistent scale in diagram<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Inconsistent scale in diagram"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg/220px-V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg/330px-V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg/440px-V-a_characteristic_Zener_diode.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="180"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The voltage (horizontal) scale of this characteristic curve is inconsistent. On the right side, at a particular image size, +0.65V measures 80px from the vertical axis along the horizontal axis. However, on the left side, -17.1V measures 120px. If the scale were consistent, +0.65V would be only about 5px from the vertical axis on the right side (or -17.1 would be, impractically, 2100px). It's been a few decades since I worked with this stuff, so maybe this is common, but I think it looks deceptive to a general audience. A log scale could be used (and shown with markings on the axis). Better, use a lower zener voltage – say, 3.1V; at 0.025 V/px, +0.65V is 26px on the right, and -3.1V is 124px on the left. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:AlanM1" title="User:AlanM1">AlanM1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlanM1#top" title="User talk:AlanM1">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AlanM1" title="Special:Contributions/AlanM1">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z-Inconsistent_scale_in_diagram"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nanite-2019-10-24T21:26:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span>I agree it's not ideal, and sadly there is no such thing as a two-sided log scale plot. :-) A lower zener voltage and plain linear plot would indeed be ideal. Perhaps we can just plot these formulas: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onsemi.cn/pub/Collateral/AND8250-D.PDF">https://www.onsemi.cn/pub/Collateral/AND8250-D.PDF</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Nanite" title="User:Nanite">Nanite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nanite" title="User talk:Nanite">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-Nanite-2019-10-24T21:26:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nanite-2019-10-24T21:26:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nanite-2019-10-24T21:26:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span>(ec) <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> I modified the diagram, uploaded as a new file, and will update the article. <span style="color:red">—[</span><a href="/wiki/User:AlanM1" title="User:AlanM1"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlanM1#top" title="User talk:AlanM1">talk</a>)<span style="color:red">]—</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T19:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:34:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z"></span>FWIW, the caption addressed the difference in scale, which I didn't see (or I probably would have just left it alone). Doh! <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/18px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/27px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/36px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <span style="color:red">—[</span><a href="/wiki/User:AlanM1" title="User:AlanM1"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlanM1#top" title="User talk:AlanM1">talk</a>)<span style="color:red">]—</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zener_diode#c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:34:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:34:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:34:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-10-24T21:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&oldid=1238614309">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zener_diode&oldid=1238614309</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_electronic_articles" title="Category:C-Class electronic articles">C-Class electronic articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_electronic_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance electronic articles">Mid-importance electronic articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Electronics_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Electronics articles">WikiProject Electronics articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 4 August 2024, at 19:58<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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