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id="toc-pro_se_(self-representation)_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Samuel_Johnson" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Samuel_Johnson"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Samuel Johnson</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Samuel_Johnson-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Yet_again" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Yet_again"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Yet again</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Yet_again-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Proposed deletion of Deviant sexual intercourse</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>AfD nomination of Deviant sexual intercourse</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>2008 South Ossetia war title vote</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Failed_Doppelganger" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Failed_Doppelganger"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Failed Doppelganger</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Failed_Doppelganger-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bringing_to_your_notice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bringing_to_your_notice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Bringing to your notice</span> </div> </a> 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class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Proposed deletion of Close order formation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>RfD nomination of Template:Cleanup-link</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Unnotable or scarcely notable products ursurping names of english words</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Contradict Tag On Paladium</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Excrescence_(architecture)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Excrescence_(architecture)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Excrescence (architecture)</span> </div> </a> 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Sections without timestamps are not archived. </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><b>Archives</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Dec2006" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Dec2006">Dec 06</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Jan2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Jan2007">Jan 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Feb2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Feb2007">Feb 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Mar2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Mar2007">Mar 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Apr2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Apr2007">Apr 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/May2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/May2007">May 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Jun2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Jun2007">Jun 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Jul2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Jul2007">Jul 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Aug2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Aug2007">Aug 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Sep2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Sep2007">Sep 07</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Oct2007" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Oct2007">Oct 07</a></li> <li>There is no November 2007 archive.</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West/Archives/Dec2007&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Robert A West/Archives/Dec2007 (page does not exist)">Dec 07</a></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?" data-mw-thread-id="h-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z"><span id="rear_admiral_and.2For_Rear_Admiral.2C_but_Rear_admiral.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z"></span>rear admiral and/or Rear Admiral, but Rear admiral?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: rear admiral and/or Rear Admiral, but Rear admiral?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"></span>I posted the following on the talk page, but as yet have had no response. Perhaps you can explain it to me? </p> <dl><dd>I've read the above discussions with interest, and I can understand how it could be titled "rear admiral" or "Rear Admiral", but I can not understand how the above discussion resulted in "Rear admiral". The most quoted example is "Rear Admiral X is a rear admiral". "Rear admiral X is a Rear admiral" was never justified, or even advocated, yet that's what the article ended up being called. Can someone explain this to me please? <a href="/wiki/User:Pdfpdf" title="User:Pdfpdf">Pdfpdf</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pdfpdf-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdfpdf-2007-09-30T14:32:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"></span>Thanks in anticipation of your reply, <a href="/wiki/User:Pdfpdf" title="User:Pdfpdf">Pdfpdf</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z-rear_admiral_and/or_Rear_Admiral,_but_Rear_admiral?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-12-16T03:35:00.000Z-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z"></span>I hope you enjoyed your time away; thanks for the reply. Yes, your reply is helpful. It's always handy to have a second opinion. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Pdfpdf" title="User:Pdfpdf">Pdfpdf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pdfpdf" title="User talk:Pdfpdf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pdfpdf-2007-12-16T03:35:00.000Z-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pdfpdf-2007-12-16T03:35:00.000Z-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pdfpdf-2007-12-16T03:35:00.000Z-Pdfpdf-2007-11-09T12:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Franz_Josef_Strauß" data-mw-thread-id="h-Franz_Josef_Strauß-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z"><span id="Franz_Josef_Strau.C3.9F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Franz_Josef_Strauß-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Franz Josef Strauß<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Franz_Josef_Strauß-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Franz Josef Strauß"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unschool-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z-Franz_Josef_Strauß"></span>Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Franz_Josef_Strau%C3%9F#Requested_Move,_2007" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Franz Josef Strauß">Franz Josef Strauß</a>? Yes, it <i>is</i> an ancient topic (the use of <b>ß</b> on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Unschool" title="User:Unschool">Unschool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unschool" title="User talk:Unschool">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Unschool-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z-Franz_Josef_Strauß" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unschool-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z-Franz_Josef_Strauß"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unschool-2007-12-21T01:39:00.000Z-Franz_Josef_Strauß"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="C.Soon?" data-mw-thread-id="h-C.Soon?-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"><span id="C.Soon.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-C.Soon?-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"></span>C.Soon?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-C.Soon?-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: C.Soon?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z-C.Soon?"></span>English version one is the commonly-used one and can be trivially sourced. The second version is unknown to me and I can't track it down. The 2007 version by "C. Soon" looks like pure Original Research. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z-C.Soon?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z-C.Soon?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z-C.Soon?"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"></span>I took out the C. Soon version, as I too could not find it anywhere and the edit was the person's only edit to date on the Wiki.</dd> <dd>Version 2 was added:</dd> <dd>18:02, 19 December 2005 <a href="/wiki/User:Heptazane" title="User:Heptazane">User:Heptazane</a> (Talk | contribs) (Added alternate version. Version 1 is the most common that I've seen, and V2 (which was originally here) seems like an older version?) (undo)</dd> <dd>So version 2 was actually the first version that appeared on the Wikipedia. Since it is actually a French song I am sure that there are regional differences in word interpretation that probably exist in Hymnals etc. I wouldn't worry about the 2 versions too much. What about the last most recent version in Ilocano? That might be beeter served being moved to the Ilocano Wikipedia (if there is such a thing) and creating a sidebar link? Good Luck. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saudade7" title="User talk:Saudade7"><b><font color="#ff004f">S<font color="#ff001f">a<font color="#ff1000">u<font color="#ff4000">d<font color="#ff6000">a</font>d</font>e</font>7</font></font></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2007-12-23T01:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z"></span>I moved the Ilocano (Ilokano?) version to the Ilokano wiki, made a sidebar link, and explained in the edit summary. I don't know why I am even on this page (again!). I translated the French version (which someone else thankfully repaired! Once I am inside French I forget how English is supposed to sound!) Anyway, next time if you think something is funky you can just be proactive and do it yourself. You can never mess up too badly or destroy anything because there is always the history and a whole bunch of people to keep you (and me) honest! Good luck! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saudade7" title="User talk:Saudade7"><b><font color="#ff004f">S<font color="#ff001f">a<font color="#ff1000">u<font color="#ff4000">d<font color="#ff6000">a</font>d</font>e</font>7</font></font></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T19:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-31T21:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z"></span>A YEAR's hiatus?!? Where were you, in the jungles of darkest Borneo hunting for Bulwer's Pheasants? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saudade7" title="User talk:Saudade7"><b><font color="#ff004f">S<font color="#ff001f">a<font color="#ff1000">u<font color="#ff4000">d<font color="#ff6000">a</font>d</font>e</font>7</font></font></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Saudade7-2007-12-31T21:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saudade7-2007-12-31T21:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saudade7-2007-12-31T21:10:00.000Z-Saudade7-2007-12-24T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z"><span id="Talk:Tax_protester.2FRequest_for_comment"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment" title="Talk:Tax protester/Request for comment">Talk:Tax protester/Request for comment</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Talk:Tax protester/Request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment"></span>Your input in this discussion will be most appreciated. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold;"><i><b>bd2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-BD2412-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-2008-01-23T17:09:00.000Z-Talk:Tax_protester/Request_for_comment"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure">WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Obuibo_Mbstpo-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure"></span>I just wanted to let you know about the formation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure">WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure</a>. We hope to cover all the major motions and parliamentary procedure terms. You are welcome to join. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Obuibo_Mbstpo" title="User:Obuibo Mbstpo">Obuibo Mbstpo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Obuibo_Mbstpo" title="User talk:Obuibo Mbstpo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Obuibo_Mbstpo-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Obuibo_Mbstpo-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Obuibo_Mbstpo-2008-03-08T19:44:00.000Z-WikiProject_Parliamentary_Procedure"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Second_Amendment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_Amendment-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_Amendment-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z"></span>Second Amendment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_Amendment-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Second Amendment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"></span>That's fine if you don't want to have states capitalized. The only reason I did it was for consistency because states was capitalized in the first sentence of the exact same paragraph. I assume it was done because the page revolves around the meaning of the Constitution where States is always capitalized (even in modern amendments). But if you want to stick with modern convention I'll go ahead and change the other one to lower case. <a href="/wiki/User:Rreagan007" title="User:Rreagan007">Rreagan007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rreagan007" title="User talk:Rreagan007">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z-Second_Amendment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:16:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:21:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"></span>You're absolutely right about "regulation." I knew that, but I guess I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Thanks for correcting it. <a href="/wiki/User:Rreagan007" title="User:Rreagan007">Rreagan007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rreagan007" title="User talk:Rreagan007">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:21:00.000Z-Second_Amendment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:21:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rreagan007-2008-06-27T15:21:00.000Z-Second_Amendment"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Welcome_back" data-mw-thread-id="h-Welcome_back-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Welcome_back-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Welcome back<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Welcome_back-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Welcome back"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z-Welcome_back"></span>The matter on numbers I mentioned to you is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MOS#Comparable_quantities" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MOS">WT:MOS#Comparable quantities</a>; the discussion at the end of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NCNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NCNT">WT:NCNT</a> on titles seems to be dying down. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z-Welcome_back" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z-Welcome_back"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-08T02:09:00.000Z-Welcome_back"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broder_lord" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broder_lord-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broder_lord-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z"></span>Broder lord<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broder_lord-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Broder lord"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z-Broder_lord"></span>I would read it as intending to say: "The Marcher lord is equivalent in status [or power] to the <i>Pfalzgraf</i>, although <i>Markgraf</i> is the German <a href="/wiki/Cognate" title="Cognate">cognate</a>." To what extent the first half is true, I have no idea. I suspect a bad translation from the German; it certainly will convey little to most anglophones even after copyediting. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z-Broder_lord" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z-Broder_lord"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:13:00.000Z-Broder_lord"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hesse-Kassel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hesse-Kassel-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hesse-Kassel-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z"></span>Hesse-Kassel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hesse-Kassel-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Hesse-Kassel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z-Hesse-Kassel"></span>You Germanize more than I do; have you an opinion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:William_VIII,_Landgrave_of_Hesse-Cassel" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:William VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel">Talk:William VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel</a> or <i>Kassel</i>? <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z-Hesse-Kassel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z-Hesse-Kassel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-07-11T19:15:00.000Z-Hesse-Kassel"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Disambiguation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z-Disambiguation"></span>I'm a little lost in the multitude of cases, but I agree in general. Somewhere in the wilderness of guidelines (it's not at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYUSAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYUSAGE">WP:PRIMARYUSAGE</a> now, but I think it used to be) is a rule of thumb that primary usage (i.e. an article called plain <a href="/wiki/Foo" class="mw-redirect" title="Foo">Foo</a>), should be 80% or 90% of the usage in English. (That's part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation" title="Wikipedia:Disambiguation">WP:Disambiguation</a>; there is a live discussion on the talk page.) </p><p>As a concrete example, I'd like your opinion, whatever it may be, at <a href="/wiki/Talk:William_Duer_(delegate)#Requested_move" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:William Duer (delegate)">Talk:William Duer (delegate)#Requested move</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z-Disambiguation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z-Disambiguation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-08-09T22:34:00.000Z-Disambiguation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Cold_War" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Cold_War-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Cold_War-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/New_Cold_War" class="mw-redirect" title="New Cold War">New Cold War</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Cold_War-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: New Cold War"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z-New_Cold_War"></span>I just responded to your thoughts over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/New_Cold_War" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Cold War">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Cold War</a>. I'd like to know more about your thoughts on the article, if you have a chance. Take care, <a href="/wiki/User:J" title="User:J"><span style="background: #222; color: #fff;"> user:j </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:J" title="User talk:J"><span style="background: #fff; color: #222;"><small> (aka justen) </small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z-New_Cold_War" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z-New_Cold_War"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z-New_Cold_War"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"></span>See response on your talk page.<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T02:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to respond here. The issue isn't fading away in three years. Significant usage of the term goes back nearly a decade. Two published books have been written. Our job isn't to determine what is or isn't sensationalistic, our job is to cover notable, verifiable topics and to cite them with reliable sources, which is what's been done in that article. <a href="/wiki/User:J" title="User:J"><span style="background: #222; color: #fff;"> user:j </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:J" title="User talk:J"><span style="background: #fff; color: #222;"><small> (aka justen) </small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z"></span>It looks like the same few commentators riding their favorite hobby horse to me. A mention in an article on <a href="/wiki/Russian-American_relations" class="mw-redirect" title="Russian-American relations">Russian-American relations</a> seems appropriate to me. A full-fledged article does not. I'll look some more when I get some time, but for now, my opinion stands. I did mention to another Wikipedian with more inclusionist views than mine to get a different perspective. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z"></span>I respect your viewpoint either way, and if the content gets to the point of deletion, I'll look at integrating some or all of it into <a href="/wiki/Russian-American_relations" class="mw-redirect" title="Russian-American relations">Russian-American relations</a>. Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts soon. <a href="/wiki/User:J" title="User:J"><span style="background: #222; color: #fff;"> user:j </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:J" title="User talk:J"><span style="background: #fff; color: #222;"><small> (aka justen) </small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:19:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z"></span>And I yours. There is a certain amount of art involved in deciding either way. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:19:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:19:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-08-18T03:19:00.000Z-J-2008-08-18T03:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Democratic_Peace_Theory" data-mw-thread-id="h-Democratic_Peace_Theory-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Democratic_Peace_Theory-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Democratic_Peace_Theory" class="mw-redirect" title="Democratic Peace Theory">Democratic Peace Theory</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Democratic_Peace_Theory-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Democratic Peace Theory"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fomels-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z-Democratic_Peace_Theory"></span>I object to citing the South-Ossetian War. </p> <ul><li>The cited blog entry with McDonalds pictures refers to the <a href="/wiki/Golden_arches_theory" class="mw-redirect" title="Golden arches theory">Golden Arches Theory</a> rather that the Democratic Peace Theory.</li> <li>The war itself is hardly an exception. According to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.freedomhouse.hu/images/fdh_galleries/NIT2008/NT-Russia-final1.pdf">2008 Freedom House report</a>, "Russia does not have a democratic political system".</li> <li>See also <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://freethinker.typepad.com/the_free_thinker/2008/08/the-democratic.html">http://freethinker.typepad.com/the_free_thinker/2008/08/the-democratic.html</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fomels&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fomels (page does not exist)">Fomels</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fomels" title="User talk:Fomels">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Fomels-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z-Democratic_Peace_Theory" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fomels-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z-Democratic_Peace_Theory"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fomels-2008-08-20T03:03:00.000Z-Democratic_Peace_Theory"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="JNADC" data-mw-thread-id="h-JNADC-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-JNADC-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z"></span>JNADC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-JNADC-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: JNADC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z-JNADC"></span>Here is what the article contained when it was deleted. Clearly it meet the criteria since there was noting there except external links. All of the previous versions had less material. </p><p> == External Links == [http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4201/ch2-4.htm NASA Project Mercury - Multi G centrifuge]<br /> [http://www.vpnavy.com/nadc.html VPNavey - NADC]<br /> [http://www.everywheremag.com/articles/65 Everywhere Story: NADC]<br /> [http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/april-may/the_g_machine.php Air & Space - The G Machine]<br /> [http://www.airfields-freeman.com/PA/Airfields_PA_Philly_NW.htm#warminster Abandoned & Little Known Airfields (Photos)]<br /> [http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view.asp?a=11&Q=52223&pp=3 Labor and Heritage Markers - Bucks Country]<br /> [[Category:United States Navy facilities]] {{USN-stub}} </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vegaswikian" title="User talk:Vegaswikian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Vegaswikian-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z-JNADC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z-JNADC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2008-08-22T00:21:00.000Z-JNADC"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi" data-mw-thread-id="h-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z"></span>HIM Empress Farah Pahlavi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: HIM Empress Farah Pahlavi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Surtsicna-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi"></span>We do not begin article titles with royal/imperial titles when the article is about a monarch, for example <a href="/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom" class="mw-redirect" title="Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom">Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom</a>. Empress Farah was never a monarch; she was married to a monarch, an emperor, thus she was imperial consort with title of empress. The previous title, <a href="/wiki/Empress_Farah_Pahlavi" class="mw-redirect" title="Empress Farah Pahlavi">Empress Farah Pahlavi</a>, was better; see <a href="/wiki/Queen_Silvia_of_Sweden" title="Queen Silvia of Sweden">Queen Silvia of Sweden</a>, <a href="/wiki/Queen_Sof%C3%ADa_of_Spain" title="Queen Sofía of Spain">Queen Sofía of Spain</a>, <a href="/wiki/Queen_Sonja_of_Norway" title="Queen Sonja of Norway">Queen Sonja of Norway</a>, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Surtsicna" title="User:Surtsicna">Surtsicna</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Surtsicna" title="User talk:Surtsicna">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Surtsicna-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Surtsicna-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Surtsicna-2008-08-28T14:27:00.000Z-HIM_Empress_Farah_Pahlavi"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Fictional_film" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Fictional_film-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Fictional_film-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Fictional_film" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Fictional film">Talk:Fictional film</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Fictional_film-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Talk:Fictional film"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z-Talk:Fictional_film"></span>For your amusement. Come and comment if you like. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z-Talk:Fictional_film" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z-Talk:Fictional_film"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-02T23:19:00.000Z-Talk:Fictional_film"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"><span id="Anon_vandal_.40_Doylestown.2C_Pennsylvania"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"></span>Anon vandal @ <a href="/wiki/Doylestown,_Pennsylvania" title="Doylestown, Pennsylvania">Doylestown, Pennsylvania</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Anon vandal @ Doylestown, Pennsylvania"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania"></span>I have blocked the vandal you mentioned. Thanks for the heads up. </p><p>One thing though... Be careful when you revert vandalism, because in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doylestown,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=236577880">this case</a>, you reverted away two constructive edits. </p><p>Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Caknuck" title="User:Caknuck"><span style="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caknuck" title="User talk:Caknuck"><sub style="color:black;">°</sub></a> <span style="color:#FF6600;">is geared up for football season</span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z-Anon_vandal_@_Doylestown,_Pennsylvania"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"></span>Correction... <i>"one constructive edit and one good faith (albeit misguided) edit"</i> ;) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Caknuck" title="User:Caknuck"><span style="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caknuck" title="User talk:Caknuck"><sub style="color:black;">°</sub></a> <span style="color:#FF6600;">is geared up for football season</span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T05:04:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z"></span>That's what I'm here for. Upon further review, you were right about the "December Day" thing, so I plucked it from the article as well. Let me know if I can be of assistance in the future. Cheers, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Caknuck" title="User:Caknuck"><span style="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caknuck" title="User talk:Caknuck"><sub style="color:black;">°</sub></a> <span style="color:#FF6600;">is geared up for football season</span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T05:04:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T05:04:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caknuck-2008-09-06T05:04:00.000Z-Caknuck-2008-09-06T04:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quoting_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quoting_sources-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quoting_sources-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z"></span>Quoting sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quoting_sources-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Quoting sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Haukurth-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z-Quoting_sources"></span>But why? Why would we specifically demand quotations from non-English sources and not from English sources? That's just completely unintuitive to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Haukurth" title="User:Haukurth">Haukur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Haukurth" title="User talk:Haukurth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Haukurth-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z-Quoting_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Haukurth-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z-Quoting_sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Haukurth-2008-09-09T22:06:00.000Z-Quoting_sources"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Mameluke" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Mameluke-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Mameluke-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mameluke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Mameluke (page does not exist)">Talk:Mameluke</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Mameluke-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Talk:Mameluke"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z-Talk:Mameluke"></span>An interesting question of primary usage; this is a horse - the Egyptians are at <a href="/wiki/Mamluk" title="Mamluk">Mamluk</a>. Do we move to <a href="/wiki/Mameluke_(horse)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Mameluke (horse)">Mameluke (horse)</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z-Talk:Mameluke" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z-Talk:Mameluke"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-12T21:03:00.000Z-Talk:Mameluke"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Palins" data-mw-thread-id="h-Palins-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Palins-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z"></span>Palins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Palins-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Palins"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-903M-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z-Palins"></span>I saw your comment on WP:MFD for the talk page of Bristol Palin. I know little about Bristol but I know more about Track Palin. That page, too, is page protected so I discussed why PFC Palin deserves a draft article (not yet having an opinion on if the man deserves a regular article). I even wrote what a possible article may include, including references. Some want it deleted. This is sad because these are just proposed articles and people want to destroy discussion. At this very moment, I'm not even suggesting that the draft on the talk page be moved to the article space! <a href="/wiki/User:903M" title="User:903M">903M</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:903M" title="User talk:903M">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-903M-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z-Palins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-903M-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z-Palins"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-903M-2008-09-14T02:19:00.000Z-Palins"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z"><span id="Talk:Electoral_College_.28United_States.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Electoral College (United States)">Talk:Electoral College (United States)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Talk:Electoral College (United States)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)"></span>The Twelfth Amendment that requires, if the Senate elects a Vice-President, a majority of the whole number of Senators as the minimum number of votes required. There is a question here whether </p> <dl><dd><i>This provision prevents the Senate from selecting a Vice President through the votes of half of the Senators together with the vote of the <a href="/wiki/President_of_the_Senate#United_States" title="President of the Senate">President of the Senate</a>.</i></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ncseonline.org/nle/crsreports/government/gov-39.cfm#_1_8">RL30804: The Electoral College: An Overview and Analysis of Reform Proposals, L. Paige Whitaker and Thomas H. Neale, January 16, 2001</a> has been presented as proof. Does it support the assertion? <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-09-18T18:25:00.000Z-Talk:Electoral_College_(United_States)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="pro_se_(self-representation)_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-pro_se_(self-representation)_article-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z"><span id="pro_se_.28self-representation.29_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-pro_se_(self-representation)_article-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z"></span>pro se (self-representation) article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-pro_se_(self-representation)_article-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: pro se (self-representation) article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kay_Sieverding-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"></span>Dear Mr. West </p><p>Self-Represented Litigation is a subject that I have collected references on and am familiar with. When I started contributing to this article it said 8/26/08 "there is no fundamental right to self-representation." No citation was given for that at all. I posted various quotations of the U.S. Supreme Court, which were deleted on the grounds that you can't quote the Supreme Court. However, another user has more recently quoted the Supreme Court in a different case and there has been no objection to that. I went to the U.W. law library, a 5 floor library, and used their computerized search on both "pro se" and "self-represented". There were only two books and I checked out both of them. One was on reserve. After posting my intention on the comments page, I spent all day Monday typing in the table quoting the various state constitutions, which Non Curat Lex "disagrees" with. That was from the AJS book that I checked out from the library reserve for 24 hours. I posted the American Jurisprudence Society quoting the U.S. Supreme Court, which was deleted I think by "Non Curat Lex". I posted an ABA article I found on the Internet and that was deleted I think by "Non Curat Lex". I am having problems finding the exact wording but on Wed night it was changed to something to the effect that there is a constitutional right to self-representation in a criminal proceeding but not in a civil matter. A 1964 S.C. case concerning the right to a government paid defense lawyer in a criminal prosecution was cited as a reference. I changed that to say that there is a constitutional right in both civl and criminal matters. I emailed to the ABA and asked them for their input and they emailed to me a location on their web site. I quoted that and it was deleted. Here is another ABA publication, which says that there is a "constitutional right". </p><p>"Constitution v Ethics There is little disagreement that individuals have a right, rooted in the U.S. Constitution, to represent themselves in a court of law. The exact source of that right has been debated and at various times attributed to the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution, the First Amendment Right to petition the government for redress of grievances, the equal protection clause, and the due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments requiring a meaningful hearing. The Supreme Court, on many occasions, has found self-representation to be a constitutional right. It is, therefore, a long-held belief that the courthouse door should be open to everyone. The practical application, however, is not clear. Exactly how far must courts and judges and lawyers go to assure that access is truly equal? The problems with that issue lie in the ethical dilemnas faced by those charged with carrying out this mandate." Source: Patricia A. Garcia for the American Bar Association "Litigants Without Lawyers. Courts and Lawyers Meeting the Challenges of Self-Representation." 2002, p. 11. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/1-59031-061-6" title="Special:BookSources/1-59031-061-6">1-59031-061-6</a> </p><p>My quotations of the New York Times were also removed. </p><p>It seems to me that "Non Curat Lex" has a POV that the article should say that there is no right to represent oneself even though the ABA, the American Judicature Society, and other "legal authorities" disagree. I have absolutely no problem with anyone adding any references to the article but I am bothered by the idea that the article will again be incorrect and convey that there is no right to self-representation. Kay Sieverding <a href="/wiki/User:Kay_Sieverding" title="User:Kay Sieverding">Self-represented access to courts is vital for democracy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kay_Sieverding" title="User talk:Kay Sieverding">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Kay_Sieverding-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kay_Sieverding-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kay_Sieverding-2008-09-19T19:29:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"></span>What an erroneous comment. When have I ever said that there is no right to represent oneself? EVER?! </p><p>Anyhow, Mr. West, the other day, I posted <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pro_se_legal_representation_in_the_United_States&diff=240398800&oldid=240397703">this proposal</a> on the talk page the other day intending to be a request for urgent action, but no one seems to have noticed. Feel free to leave any thoughts you might have - if you feel like it. <a href="/wiki/User:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User:Non Curat Lex">Non Curat Lex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User talk:Non Curat Lex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z-pro_se_(self-representation)_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z"></span>I have been swamped with work lately -- preparing for a lengthy business trip -- and so have not had the time or energy to look into the article. If you feel that the situation is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_deadline" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:No deadline">urgent</a>, you might want to take a short break and see if you feel that way in two days. About the only emergencies I have seen on Wikipedia are runaway or ill-programmed bots (which can foul up hundreds of pages per hour), and mass vandalism (i.e. Squidward). <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-24T07:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z"></span>You need to visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_stocks" title="Wikipedia:Village stocks">wp:village stocks</a> for some urgent situations. Sometimes patience is a virtue, RAW, sometimes impatience is justifiable. This was a case of the latter. <a href="/wiki/User:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User:Non Curat Lex">Non Curat Lex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User talk:Non Curat Lex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z"></span>Well, I did say "about". I had forgotten about Ed Poor's deletion of VfD. My time is severely rather constrained between now and October 3, and somewhat constrained for ten days thereafter. I regret not being able to be of more assistance for the moment. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-26T18:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z"></span>By the way Mr. West, I was not bringing that up to "win an argument" because there's little resemblance between stuff like that, and stuff like Kay's runaway editing - but the VS stuff is amusing, isn't it?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In any case, I didn't mean to make work for you. However, there was some confusion being caused by the silence as to whether there was still a mandate for the administrative actions; my remarks seemed to be "lost in the flood" as it were. I didn't want our warnings, or Lar's, to become an idle act. Thanks again. <a href="/wiki/User:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User:Non Curat Lex">Non Curat Lex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User talk:Non Curat Lex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-26T23:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z"></span>I didn't take it as trying to win an argument: I was actually quite tickled by the opportunity to recall the Great Deletion Deletion. As for making work, I had fully intended to return to a greater level of Wiki-activity than I have been able. My expression of regret that I cannot do so quite yet is sincere, and arises out of my desires, not yours. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_A_West" title="User:Robert A West">Robert A.West</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T01:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T05:35:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span>Well then, <b>there will be Wiki.</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User:Non Curat Lex">Non Curat Lex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Non_Curat_Lex" title="User talk:Non Curat Lex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T05:35:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T05:35:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Non_Curat_Lex-2008-09-30T05:35:00.000Z-Robert_A_West-2008-09-30T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Samuel_Johnson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Samuel_Johnson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Samuel_Johnson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Samuel_Johnson" title="Samuel Johnson">Samuel Johnson</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Samuel_Johnson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Samuel Johnson"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z-Samuel_Johnson"></span>Is now in a long review for FA; linked to from the talk page. Coming at it fresh, I see the following sentences which seem to me clumsy; am I being too severe? </p> <ul><li><i>Boswell's Life, along with other biographies, documented Johnson's behaviour and mannerisms in such detail that they have informed the posthumous diagnosis of Tourette syndrome (TS),[5] a condition unknown to 18th-century physicians.</i></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>in the nursing care of Joan Marklew.</i> In context, this appears to be Johnson's wet-nurse.</dd> <dd><i>Johnson could not bring himself to regard the poem as granting him any merit as a poet.</i></dd> <dd><i>However, not all of his work was confined to</i> The Rambler<i>. One such work, </i><a href="/wiki/The_Vanity_of_Human_Wishes" title="The Vanity of Human Wishes">The Vanity of Human Wishes</a><i>, was written with such "extraordinary speed" that Boswell claimed Johnson "might have been perpetually a poet".</i> <ul><li>The principal author claims that this sentence is intended to suggest that Johnson was published by others; but <i>Vanity</i> was self-published.</li></ul></dd> <dd><i>He did complete one poem, the first of his tutorial exercises, on which he spent comparable time, and which provoked surprise and applause.</i> (This is all that is said on the subject; no indication of what it is comparable to that I can see.) <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z-Samuel_Johnson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z-Samuel_Johnson"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-01T18:05:00.000Z-Samuel_Johnson"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yet_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yet_again-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yet_again-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z"></span>Yet again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yet_again-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Yet again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z-Yet_again"></span>There is another proposal for moving all the major American cities to their simple names, omitting the state. It includes Saint Louis, Missouri, this time. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(settlements)#Proposed_fixing_of_the_convention_for_US_cities" title="Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)">here</a>; I have already taken <a href="/wiki/Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania" class="mw-redirect" title="Philadelphia, Pennsylvania">Philadelphia, Pennsylvania</a> this time. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z-Yet_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z-Yet_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2008-10-17T03:35:00.000Z-Yet_again"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Proposed deletion of Deviant sexual intercourse<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of Deviant sexual intercourse"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_yellow.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="386" data-file-height="334"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion</a> template has been added to the article <a href="/wiki/Deviant_sexual_intercourse" title="Deviant sexual intercourse">Deviant sexual intercourse</a>, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern: </p> <dl><dd><b>This article has remained unreferenced since flagged in November 2008. It thus appears to be interesting, but also more of an essay or a personal opinion than a cited, notable and verifiable article</b></dd></dl> <p>All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_inclusion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion">criteria for inclusion</a>, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">What Wikipedia is not</a>" and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">Wikipedia's deletion policy</a>). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Dated_prod" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Dated prod">dated prod</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Deviant_sexual_intercourse" title="Talk:Deviant sexual intercourse">its talk page</a>. </p><p>Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">proposed deletion process</a>, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion criteria</a> or it can be sent to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">Articles for Deletion</a>, where it may be deleted if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> to delete is reached. <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Fiddle Faddle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T00:19:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z"></span>AfD nomination of Deviant sexual intercourse<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of Deviant sexual intercourse"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>I have nominated <a href="/wiki/Deviant_sexual_intercourse" title="Deviant sexual intercourse">Deviant sexual intercourse</a>, an article that you created, for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Deviant_sexual_intercourse" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deviant sexual intercourse">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deviant sexual intercourse</a>. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Fiddle Faddle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-2009-01-21T07:08:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Deviant_sexual_intercourse"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote" data-mw-thread-id="h-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 South Ossetia war">2008 South Ossetia war</a> title vote<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: 2008 South Ossetia war title vote"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Offliner-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote"></span>Since you were involved in the previous rename discussion, maybe you would be interested: there is a vote up again at <a href="/wiki/Talk:2008_South_Ossetia_war#Article_name_vote" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2008 South Ossetia war">Talk:2008 South Ossetia war#Article name vote</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Offliner" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Offliner">Offliner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Offliner" title="User talk:Offliner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Offliner-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Offliner-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Offliner-2009-03-07T22:51:00.000Z-2008_South_Ossetia_war_title_vote"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Failed_Doppelganger" data-mw-thread-id="h-Failed_Doppelganger-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Failed_Doppelganger-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z"></span>Failed Doppelganger<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Failed_Doppelganger-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Failed Doppelganger"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jac16888-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z-Failed_Doppelganger"></span>Hi, please could you visit <a href="/wiki/User:Jac16888/Sandbox#Failed_Doppels" title="User:Jac16888/Sandbox">User:Jac16888/Sandbox#Failed Doppels</a>. This is a list of failed attempts by users to create doppelganger accounts, and at least one of the pages is yours. Creating a doppelganger account involves actually registering the account as you would normally, simply creating a userpage doesn't do it. Please either create the account, or else indicate that you no longer want the page(s) so that I can delete it. Thank you--<a href="/wiki/User:Jac16888" title="User:Jac16888"><font color="Blue">Jac</font><font color="Green">16888</font></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jac16888" title="User talk:Jac16888"><sup><font color="red">Talk</font></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Jac16888-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z-Failed_Doppelganger" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jac16888-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z-Failed_Doppelganger"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jac16888-2009-04-17T23:13:00.000Z-Failed_Doppelganger"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bringing_to_your_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bringing_to_your_notice-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bringing_to_your_notice-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z"></span>Bringing to your notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bringing_to_your_notice-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Bringing to your notice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-58.165.69.67-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z-Bringing_to_your_notice"></span>Someone in WP management needs to look at the <a href="/wiki/Barbara_Biggs" title="Barbara Biggs">Barbara Biggs</a> entry, as it seems to my amateur eyes to be largely an advertizement of Biggs books, and a beat-up of her deeds and status based on what is written in same self-authored books. There are some references to media who interviewed her about her books/deeds but these again rested mostly on her own opinions about herself drawn from her self-authored books. Is there not supposed to be independant verification of her claims? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/58.165.69.67" title="Special:Contributions/58.165.69.67">58.165.69.67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:58.165.69.67" title="User talk:58.165.69.67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-58.165.69.67-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z-Bringing_to_your_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-58.165.69.67-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z-Bringing_to_your_notice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-58.165.69.67-2009-07-05T10:26:00.000Z-Bringing_to_your_notice"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Barbara Biggs editing her entry again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Barbara Biggs editing her entry again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again"></span>Can you please intervene? Biggs has removed an Original Research tag <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Biggs&diff=306295272&oldid=305757152">[1]</a> which was placed in the article at the place where Biggs herself makes a claim, without a citation, about parents being "ordered to send their children to contact visits with abusive exes by the Family Court". There is absolutely no verification for this claim about the Family Court and I suggest it is original research by Biggs (like several other comments she has placed in her entry). I note that Biggs has placed a link <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/FCOA/home/about/Business/Statistics/FCOA_stats_SPR">[2]</a> at the end of this same section leading to a government document which says ZILCH to confirm Biggs claim that "parents ordered to send their children to contact visits with abusive exes by the Family Court". Therefore I suggest the Original Research tag be replaced or better still, the entire OR sentence deleted or reworded to make clear it is her own unscientific belief. </p><p>I note also that Biggs herself writes "Regarding abuse <b>victims</b>, Biggs writes and speaks about the much-misunderstood phenomenon of emotional attachment to the abuser". Is this Biggs, the novelist, claiming to speak on behalf of herself, or is she speaking (as appears) in the guise of a psychology academic on behalf of victims plural? Might I remind that biggs is not an academic, her credentials coming down purely to her own personal experiences. </p><p>Finally, the openly anti-father group 'Anonymums' with whom Biggs is affiliated has placed the following menacing threat <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barbara_Biggs&diff=306314029&oldid=306293457">[3]</a> in the talk section on behalf of Barbara Biggs: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>"Response from Anonymums</dd> <dd>What a load of rubbish!... Expect that you will no longer are able to continue your propaganda and whilst Barbara and other advocates have been incredibly polite and considerate of your needs and thoughts - We are not! Lies and propaganda will NOT be tolerated. You have been warned. Expect us"</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Biggs has been asked previously to not edit her own article <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Barbara_Biggs#Copied_from_AfD_page">[4]</a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">Don't edit your own article</a>. Perhaps she needs reminding again? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/123.211.186.53" title="Special:Contributions/123.211.186.53">123.211.186.53</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:123.211.186.53&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:123.211.186.53 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:19:00.000Z-Barbara_Biggs_editing_her_entry_again"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_an_Admin?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_an_Admin?-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z"><span id="Not_an_Admin.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_an_Admin?-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z"></span>Not an Admin?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_an_Admin?-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Not an Admin?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z-Not_an_Admin?"></span>Robert, forgive me but I had wrongly considered you were an administrator of Wikipedia. When I looked at your user page I did not see any mention that you are. My apologies. Please ignore my above request and I will seek an admin. </p><p>Regards <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/123.211.186.53" title="Special:Contributions/123.211.186.53">123.211.186.53</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:123.211.186.53&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:123.211.186.53 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z-Not_an_Admin?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z-Not_an_Admin?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-123.211.186.53-2009-08-10T10:36:00.000Z-Not_an_Admin?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="From_Barbara_Biggs" data-mw-thread-id="h-From_Barbara_Biggs"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-From_Barbara_Biggs"></span>From Barbara Biggs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-From_Barbara_Biggs"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: From Barbara Biggs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Robert, I'm sorry to add this here, but I don't know how else to contact you. You helped me with my article once before, in 2006, and I'm looking for someone to help again. Might you be available? Barbbiggs </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal" data-mw-thread-id="h-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z"></span>From the Slobbinpolit Zhurnal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: From the Slobbinpolit Zhurnal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal"></span>You may be amused by this deletion discussion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Slobbovia" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slobbovia">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slobbovia</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Pmanderson-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2009-11-07T19:03:00.000Z-From_the_Slobbinpolit_Zhurnal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a> of <a href="/wiki/Close_order_formation" title="Close order formation">Close order formation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of Close order formation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monstrelet-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_yellow.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="386" data-file-height="334"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The article <a href="/wiki/Close_order_formation" title="Close order formation">Close order formation</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed for deletion</a> because of the following concern: </p> <dl><dd><b>This article adds nothing not available in detailed articles in its categories. It is a potentially huge subject which no-one seems to make a real start on. However, there is the possibility of a viable article here, so if there was the enthusiasm, would recommend <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCUBATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCUBATE">WP:INCUBATE</a>. If not delete.</b></dd></dl> <p>While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEL#REASON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEL">deleted for any of several reasons</a>. </p><p>You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Dated_prod" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Dated prod">dated prod</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code> notice, but please explain why in your <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a> or on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Close_order_formation" title="Talk:Close order formation">the article's talk page</a>. </p><p>Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing <code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Dated_prod" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Dated prod">dated prod</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code> will stop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion process</a>, but other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion processes</a> exist. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion process</a> can result in deletion without discussion, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">articles for deletion</a> allows discussion to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Monstrelet" title="User:Monstrelet">Monstrelet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monstrelet" title="User talk:Monstrelet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Monstrelet-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monstrelet-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monstrelet-2010-01-01T10:45:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Close_order_formation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z"></span>RfD nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-link&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cleanup-link (page does not exist)">Template:Cleanup-link</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: RfD nomination of Template:Cleanup-link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Magioladitis-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link"></span>I have nominated <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-link&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cleanup-link (page does not exist)">Template:Cleanup-link</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-link&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cleanup-link&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Cleanup-link (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-link&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Cleanup-link">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-link&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Template%3ACleanup-link">logs</a>)</span></span> for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_5#Template:Cleanup-link" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 May 5">the discussion page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Magioladitis" title="User:Magioladitis">Magioladitis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magioladitis" title="User talk:Magioladitis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Magioladitis-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Magioladitis-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Magioladitis-2010-05-05T23:34:00.000Z-RfD_nomination_of_Template:Cleanup-link"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words"></span>Unnotable or scarcely notable products ursurping names of english words<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unnotable_or_scarcely_notable_products_ursurping_names_of_english_words"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Unnotable or scarcely notable products ursurping names of english words"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>At <a href="/wiki/Fray" class="mw-disambig" title="Fray">Fray</a> and <a href="/wiki/Fray_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Fray (disambiguation)">Fray (disambiguation)</a> we have a problem you encountered before with the music band 'The Fray' (of whom I have also not heard before). An obscure comic book is ursurping an article title of an english word for its own. Since you have participated in this article mess before on this issue and in the way I regard as positive, I invite your participation. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Contradict Tag On Paladium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Contradict Tag On Paladium"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>These are the reasons the tags were added: </p> <ul><li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palladium&diff=430967379&oldid=430966571">[5]</a></li> <li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Platinum&diff=430967374&oldid=430316142">[6]</a><a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-12T10:31:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-13T06:20:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>I added those diffs. The diff referring to palladium mentioned that platinum develops a patina, where the information is absent on platinum. This is a fact that should not be omitted because this would indicate oxidation or reactivity which is not explained on platinum.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-13T06:20:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-13T06:20:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-13T06:20:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T11:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>It depends on what is being mentioned. A patina is the result of a chemical reaction. This would not be possible if platinum does not oxidize in air or reacts with something in air.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T11:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T11:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T11:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T12:06:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>So you understand my issue: palladium stated that platinum will develop a patina over time, which would mean that platinum would oxidize or react in air, but this is not mentioned in <a href="/wiki/Platinum" title="Platinum">platinum</a>, and infact, tends to repudiate.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T12:06:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T12:06:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-16T12:06:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Patina" title="Patina"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-17T04:43:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>patina</a> says that it is a kind of tarnish, so then this is a chemical reaction. Platinum is reactive to sulfure, but it does not say it is reactive to SOx, and NOx is not a halogen (nitrogen is not a halogen).<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-17T04:43:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-17T04:43:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-17T04:43:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T10:42:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>I have to support Materialscientist. The link you provided (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.diamondcuttersintl.com/a-platinum-primer">http://www.diamondcuttersintl.com/a-platinum-primer</a>) does not have an references, is an article which would possibly have a conflict of interest in platinum by "promoting it positively", and your sentence-addition would contradict <a href="/wiki/Patina" title="Patina">patina</a> because it says that a patina is a <a href="/wiki/Tarnish" title="Tarnish">tarnish</a> and a tarnish is a chemical reaction, not a physical reaction (i.e.: scratches).<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T10:42:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T10:42:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T10:42:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T09:10:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>That's true, infact yesterday, I took a closer look at <a href="/wiki/Patina" title="Patina">patina</a>. Unfortunately, chemical articles are best dealt with evidence that is of a scientific nature, when using references. Physical scratches aren't notable information to be included, so when we are saying that patinas can be found on platinum, that is just another way of saying the hardness of a material. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Moh%27s_hardness&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Moh's hardness (page does not exist)">Moh's hardness</a> is not the best scale to measure this, but it is a relative scale, and we already have it on the article's prose and infobox. That's why we should not include patina except for the chemical semantic/meaning.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T09:10:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T09:10:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T09:10:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>I don't think that is an issue of NPOV. The reason these metals can be scratched is because of the softness of the material. Including such information is like saying that playdoh can be scratched sometimes, can this is beautiful to some people. Of course the industry will say that. And infact, we should not include such information.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-20T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:46:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>This "wear-and-tear" semantic you are talking about is the product of the chemical element's hardness. It is not necessary to include such minor details.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:46:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:46:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:46:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>What about palladium, silver, gold? And other soft metals? Do trade publications market surface scratches "desirable"? If you are to include this, this should be included on all the metals. Frankly, if it is not useful, it shouldn't be included. That is not nonNPOV.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T04:55:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span>You have my permission to move the discussion to the talk page. </p><p>Of course we decide issues on a case by case basis, but we also want to have a level standard for articles. I have no qualm if you have a source that says AND EXPLAINS why surface scratch patina is desirable, because I know that esthetics and culture are characteristic of metals, plastics, etc. if this is the case, this concept is not foreign to me. But I can assure you that not EVERYONE appreciates scratches. This is why I require you to source your writing.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-21T22:00:00.000Z-Contradict_Tag_On_Paladium"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Excrescence_(architecture)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Excrescence_(architecture)-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z"><span id="Excrescence_.28architecture.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Excrescence_(architecture)-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span>Excrescence (architecture)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Excrescence_(architecture)-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Excrescence (architecture)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"></span>I noticed the article <a href="/wiki/Excrescence_(architecture)" class="mw-redirect" title="Excrescence (architecture)">Excrescence (architecture)</a> which you started. I understand you are working on the references, so I was wondering fi you could to userfy the article? It does not seem a notable, <b>as of yet</b>.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:12:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:27:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"></span>If you can add references (which you state you intend) about how it is used outside of the book, I wouldn't say that the topic is not notable. But if those references can not prove it is used outside of the book, then yes, I will have to put it up for deletion.<a href="/wiki/User:Curb_Chain" title="User:Curb Chain">Curb Chain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Curb_Chain" title="User talk:Curb Chain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:27:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:27:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curb_Chain-2011-06-19T11:27:00.000Z-Excrescence_(architecture)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z"><span id="Hi.2C_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Hi, good observation on Earned Income Credit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Hi, good observation on Earned Income Credit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FriendlyRiverOtter-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit"></span>Hi Robert, </p><p>I think you made a good observation regarding the cost figure of ineligible filers. I'd look at it myself but I'm busy with other aspects of EIC. </p><p>Maybe you could include in the text that the figure is twenty years old? (I mean, qualify in a straightforward, middle-of-the-road kind of way) But it sounds like the reference didn't even have that figure at all. Please jump in and help and just use your best judgment, if you can spare the time. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:FriendlyRiverOtter" title="User:FriendlyRiverOtter">FriendlyRiverOtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FriendlyRiverOtter" title="User talk:FriendlyRiverOtter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-FriendlyRiverOtter-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FriendlyRiverOtter-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FriendlyRiverOtter-2013-03-26T15:59:00.000Z-Hi,_good_observation_on_Earned_Income_Credit"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hatnote" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hatnote-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hatnote-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z"></span>Hatnote<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hatnote-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Hatnote"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kraxler-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z-Hatnote"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Hatnote#Examples_of_improper_use" title="Wikipedia:Hatnote">WP:Hatnote#Examples of improper use</a> section Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous. The article name "Robert Lansing (state senator)" is not ambiguous. In fact, he was dead when his homonynous grandson was US Secretary of State. Besides, the latter is mentioned in the text, so no confusion will arise. Hatnotes serve to direct the reader to the right topic, if he lands on the wrong page looking for some simple search item. Thus, "Robert Lansing" must have a hatnote directing to the dab page, because there are several persons of this name, the reader might be looking for. I doubt that anybody types in the search window "Robert Lansing (state senator)" when looking for the actor or for the Secreatry of State. <a href="/wiki/User:Kraxler" title="User:Kraxler">Kraxler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kraxler" title="User talk:Kraxler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Kraxler-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z-Hatnote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kraxler-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z-Hatnote"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kraxler-2013-06-08T14:04:00.000Z-Hatnote"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks_for_the_laugh" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks_for_the_laugh-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks_for_the_laugh-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the laugh<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks_for_the_laugh-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Thanks for the laugh"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defamation&diff=92469439&oldid=92434118"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emufarmers-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_laugh"></span>[7]</a> Best thing I've seen all day. :-) —<a href="/wiki/User:Emufarmers" title="User:Emufarmers">Emufarmers</a><sup><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emufarmers" title="User talk:Emufarmers">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Emufarmers" title="Special:Contributions/Emufarmers">C</a>)</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_A_West#c-Emufarmers-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_laugh" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emufarmers-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_laugh"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emufarmers-2013-12-07T03:38:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_laugh"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_2014" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2014-2014-11-30T23:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2014-2014-11-30T23:14:00.000Z"></span>November 2014<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2014-2014-11-30T23:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_A_West&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: November 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BracketBot-2014-11-30T23:14:00.000Z-November_2014"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:BracketBot" title="User:BracketBot">BracketBot</a>. 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